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WSC EU - Ro16 Group D Preview/C Recap (Season II)

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WSC EU - Ro16 Group D Preview/C Recap (Season II)

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Graphics byshiroiusagi
August 8th, 2013 09:12 GMT
2013 WCS Europe
Modified banner by Smittmeister

Ro16: Group C Recap
NaNiwa and MMA advance

Ro16: Group D Preview
MC, MaNa, VortiX, TitaN

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Ro16 Group C Recap

NaNiwa and MMA advance

by Premasiri

Detailed results from Live Report Thread by Yello
+ Show Spoiler [Click for Detailed Results] +
NaNiwa vs. Tefel
(P)NaNiwa <Newkirk Precinct> (Z)Tefel
(P)NaNiwa <Neo Planet S> (Z)Tefel
(P)NaNiwa <Bel'Shir Vestige> (Z)Tefel

Naniwa wins 2-1!

MMA vs. Happy
(T)MMA <Newkirk Precinct> (T)Happy
(T)MMA <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)Happy
(T)MMA <Whirlwind> (T)Happy

MMA wins 2-0!

Winners' Match
(P)NaNiwa <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)MMA
(P)NaNiwa <Newkirk Precinct> (T)MMA
(P)NaNiwa <Star Station> (T)MMA

Naniwa wins 2-0!

Losers' Match
(Z)Tefel <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)Happy
(Z)Tefel <Newkirk Precinct> (T)Happy
(Z)Tefel <> (T)Happy

Happy wins 2-0!

Final Match
(T)MMA <Newkirk Precinct> (T)Happy
(T)MMA <Neo Planet S> (T)Happy
(T)MMA <Bel'Shir Vestige> (T)Happy

MMA wins 2-0!



(P)NaNiwa and (T)MMA advance to WCS EU Premier RO16!


The favorites on paper made sure there were no upsets, as European-top-dog contender (P)NaNiw[A] and veteran Korean (T)Acer.MMA advanced, while (Z)dignitas.Tefel and (T)Empire|Happy dropped down to the Challenger League.

Initial Matches: NaNiwa vs. Tefel, MMA vs. Happy

The night began with NaNiwa avenging his Challenger League loss to Tefel, although it wasn't as emphatic a victory as Swedish fans might have hoped. Tefel even took the first map, using a mass hydralisk attack to punish NaNiwa's too-fast transition into stargates and skytoss. However, NaNiwa worked out the kinks in his strategy for game two, and was successfully able to defend against yet another hydralisk attack from Tefel while going for mass void rays. With Tefel still relying on lair-tech to combat a maxed chargelot/archon/voidray army of his Swedish opponent, the Dignitas Zerg was forced out of game two.

Game three followed a similar script, as Tefel was unable to hinder NaNiwa from taking to the skies. Good micro and great force-fields kept NaNiwa safe until he attained critical mass, after which he erased the Zerg forces and forced Tefel's surrender.

On the other side of the bracket, the Russian Terran Happy took on the Korean veteran and multiple champion MMA. While Happy had shown impressive Korean Protoss slaying abilities against MC and San at ASUS ROG, those abilities wold not extend to Korean Terrans as MMA took a convincing 2 - 0 victory.

Despite having a good build to deal with the cloaked banshee opening of MMA in game one, Happy's sloppy defensive positioning allowed the Acer Terran to deal what should have been avoidable economic damage while establishing an early third command centre. A textbook marine-tank (MMA) vs. mech (Happy) midgame favoured MMA as he was able to establish the faster third base and superior upgrades. MMA was unafraid to use this breathing room to make a slick and swift transition to sky Terran, and as the first battlecruisers rolled off the production lines with +2 upgrades, MMA broke Happy’s defensive tank line with his Viking banshee vanguard to take game one.

In Game 2 on Bel’shir vestige, MMA once again favoured a cloaked banshee opening, but uncharacteristically sloppy map awareness allowed Happy to pick off the first banshee for free. With both players opting for early tanks, neither player was able to make much of a dent in the defences of the other, leading to a mid-game once again favouring the economy of MMA. Trying to take full advantage of speed medivacs, Happy consistently tried and failed to doom drop MMA’s production lines. In what was probably the winning move of the series, MMA showed Happy how it was done, doom dropping him with far more success. After gutting Happy's infrastructure, MMA just needed one final push to force the GG and move onto the winners match.

NaNiwa advances in first

In a somewhat anticlimactic if tense opening to the winner's match between NaNiwa and MMA, MMA threw caution to the wind with a proxy barracks SCV pull all-in on Bel’shir vestige. With his mothership core barely making it out in time to defend, Naniwa was able to mop up the marines rallying to his main and take the game with surprising ease.

In a similar vein, game two was to bear witness to another cheesy opening from MMA – this time a proxied factory and widow mine harassment. Despite good reactions and a generous helping of luck (one probe sneaking into an assimilator while the mine projectile was in mid-air ), another mine blast wiped out eight probes to give MMA the advantage. With MMA able to translate this slight edge into the constant threat of drops, Naniwa’s third was heavily delayed. While Naniwa’s choked economy manifested in a severe upgrade disadvantage, MMA’s 3 - 3 timing was still somehow held by the Swede. NaNiwa kept his cool, expertly defended MMA's aggression, and slowly brought himself back in the game. His resolve seemingly broken, MMA gradually let a game that had looked so promising slip away, and Naniwa took the series with a perhaps surprising 2 - 0 to advance on to the round of 8 in first place.

MMA takes second

Down in the losers match, Happy and Tefel faced off for a chance to take on MMA. Unlike against MMA, Happy looked very much in his element, pounding yet another poor European Zerg into submission. Game one saw Happy abandon his aggressive MMM style for an extremely defensive one, sitting tight on two bases for an atypically long time. When he eventually moved out to push Tefel’s third base, this allowed him to still have plenty of units at home to defend his freshly established third base, holding a desperate infestor-roach counterattack with ease to take the win.

In a clinical display of positioning and tactical thinking, Happy was able to put an end to Tefel’s season two hopes and dreams, taking game two on Newkirk precinct. Despite Happy’s early hellion pressure being aptly deflected, an enormous commitment in the form of a roach push at Happy’s third was just as easily crushed a few minutes later. With Tefel’s army indecisively caught in the middle of the map, the Polish Zerg was forced to attack into a campaign-style defensive wall of bunkers, tanks, missile turrets and marines as happy simultaneously dropped the Zerg’s third and main. With happy winning on all three fronts, he was free to expand, tech up, and establish a sprawling mass of infrastructure before massing ravens to perform the coup de grace and eliminate Tefel from the round of 16.

After losing to MMA in the initial match of the night, Happy had much to think about going into the final match to decide the second place finisher of the group. Unfortunately, the gap in the two players' TvT ability was not something Happy could overcome with just an hour's contemplation as MMA took yet another 2 - 0 victory.

Happy opted to try for aggressive play in game one, going for a gas first build into a marine-hellion elevator. However, MMA was able to capitalize on Happy’s aggression, shut down the elevator play with ease, and establish a much faster natural expansion. On top of that, he was able to send troops across the map, killing off 15 of his European adversary's SCVs. In a bizarre hellion vs hellion midgame, MMA was able to retain his economic advantage despite successful hellion harass by Happy, eventually translating this into enough of an army advantage to simply roll over Happy’s natural and take the first game.

In a defiant “anything you can do, I can do better” gesture, MMA returned the aggressive token in game two. With a super early marine/hellion poke catching and brutally punishing Happy’s add-on heavy 1-1-1 opener, it was only a matter of time before MMA was able to squeeze Happy out of the last game of the night and secure a 2:0 victory, claiming the 6th spot in the round of 8.

Group D Preview: MC, TitaN, VortiX, MaNa

by Premasiri

With at least six Protoss guaranteed in the round of eight of this season's WCS EU Premier league, the question leading into group D is whether (P)TitaN, (P)MaNa and (P)MC can snuff out the remaining Zerg hope (Z)VortiX, to make it seven for eight.

The opening match of the evening, (P)RoX.KIS.TitaN vs. (P)SK_MC, could well be closer than most would assume. While I'm going to give MC the edge overall due to reputation, the very fact that Titan's made it to the round of 16 demands some respect. Sure, TitaN's group H was one of the three groups in the round of 32 populated entirely by Europeans, but he looked strong in victories over Happy and SortOf to advance in first place. Also, MC recently suffered elimination from ASUS ROG at the hands of another European Protoss in (P)Bischu, where he looked vulnerable in PvP.

However, MC's historic tournament experience pulls more and more weight the deeper into any tournament he gets. With a lot to prove after an untidy performance in the round of 32, dropping a map to Shuttle and a series 0 - 2 to Stephano, one can only expect MC to come out all guns blazing in the round of 16. Ever the performer, the LAN setting is where he's most comfortable, and even though I wouldn't put it past Titan to take a game off MC, I wouldn't bet on him taking the series.

The other opening match of the group to be played tomorrow is perhaps a little more clear cut. (P)mouz.MaNa is definitely no pushover, but teammate (Z)mouz.VortiX has to be the favourite heading into their series. Though MaNa made it through to the round of 16 on the back of his PvZ, his matches versus TLO were anything but convincing, dropping their first series 0 - 2 and only taking the second by a narrow 2-1. MaNa himself said after he was getting back to his old form, and we'll see how much how he has improved in the many weeks between the Ro32 and Ro16.

In a game as unpredictable as Starcraft, there's certainly room for an upset, so MaNa could definitely make it to the winners match on the back of some well prepared strategies. While we haven't seen as much of VortiX's ZvP as his other matchups in recent weeks, his overall solidity against players not-named-lucifron means he'll be difficult to defeat.

With those opening predictions in mind, what feels likely to be the winner's match shapes up to be an excellent series between MC and VortiX. MC's historically had Vortix's number, with the Spaniard yet to take a series off the Bosstoss in Heart of the Swarm. Though VortiX looks to have a reasonable shot on paper, MC's always been able to read him correctly. Call it favouritism or unreasonable hope, but I feel that Vortix has it in him to finally pull out a win against MC given the boss-toss' growing weakness against foreigners. That's not to say an MC victory would surprise me or anyone else, but if VortiX is to make up for his mildly disappointing showing at the recent ASUS ROG Summer Tournament, a victory over MC in the round of 16 of THE premier European tournament would be an excellent place to do it.

A potential loser's match of MaNa vs Titan is problematic to predict, and there's nothing more that can really be said other than the player that is in better condition, and simply gets luckier will take the game. The two European Protosses in the group are evenly matched both on paper and in their past head to head matches - but the relevant question here isn't really who makes it out of the loser's match, but whether either of these two have it in them to then take a (re)match against either MC or VortiX.

Predictions:

MC > Titan
Vortix > MaNa
Vortix > MC
Titan > MaNa
MC > Titan

VortiX and MC advance

More WCS Europe Season 2 Coverage

Aug 9 – Welmu and Duckdeok advance to Ro8 as Stephano plays his retirement matches.
Aug 8 – HasuObs and Grubby shock Mvp in Round of eight opener group.
July 18 – Russian duo of TitaN and Happy round out Ro16 by earning final two spots
July 17 – Terrans ForGG and Bunny eliminated as VortiX and Grubby move on
July 11 – NaNiwa and Lucifron top group F, Bly and uzer fall to Challenger
July 10 – Welmu takes first place in group E, upsetting Ret, BabyKnight, and ThorZaIN


Writers: Premasiri.
Graphics: shiroiusagi, Smittmeister
Banner photo: ESL
Editor: Waxangel.
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theredsc
Profile Joined April 2013
Romania19 Posts
August 08 2013 09:22 GMT
#2
while i feel like the warpprism change was a bit needed,i dont think that its the deciding factor in the success of the protoss.
also i feel that you overestimate MC a bit,i think mana is a pvz beast and he will beat vortix in first match.
i think that 2 protoss will advance.
gj on the writeup
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
August 08 2013 09:23 GMT
#3
Thank you for this banner.
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August 08 2013 09:23 GMT
#4
Good banner.
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August 08 2013 09:26 GMT
#5
That banner is great. lol
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SayTT
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Sweden2158 Posts
August 08 2013 09:28 GMT
#6
Great write up, I'm hoping for MC and Vortix to make it out as well. We need three koreans in the top 8 to make the "korean vs europe" story more interesting. We also need a zerg to make shit interesting at all haha.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 08 2013 09:30 GMT
#7
All of these players have looked a bit underwhelming lately, not sure who to believe in.
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August 08 2013 09:33 GMT
#8
Apropriate Banner ftw
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Italy830 Posts
August 08 2013 09:34 GMT
#9
I think everyone in here is cheering for Vortix today :D
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KingFool
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Canada428 Posts
August 08 2013 09:38 GMT
#10
i think the winner here is mma. 1 mu to practice, i can see him doing well
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RayBeans
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Germany331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 09:43:16
August 08 2013 09:42 GMT
#11
i really hope for vortix to go through, just to prevent that 7 protoss players are in the ro8.
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Germany713 Posts
August 08 2013 09:58 GMT
#12
nice banner :D
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China6329 Posts
August 08 2013 10:04 GMT
#13
Hahaha the banner!
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Yodafrog
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany4 Posts
August 08 2013 10:13 GMT
#14
Nice writeup! Altough im Toss i hope that Vortix will make it.
Titan 2nd would be nice too.
Smittmeister
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August 08 2013 10:13 GMT
#15
On August 08 2013 18:23 shz wrote:
Thank you for this banner.


haha you really picked my banner^^. you're welcome :D
Zealously
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 08 2013 10:27 GMT
#16
I'll bet you 500 ESPORTS dollars that Vortix and MMA will face off in the Ro8 should Vortix advance
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
August 08 2013 10:27 GMT
#17
On August 08 2013 18:38 KingFool wrote:
i think the winner here is mma. 1 mu to practice, i can see him doing well

Well, most of the protoss players will only have to practice PvP so there's not much of an advantage for him specifically.
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NovaMB
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Germany9534 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 10:31:48
August 08 2013 10:28 GMT
#18
On August 08 2013 18:38 KingFool wrote:
i think the winner here is mma. 1 mu to practice, i can see him doing well


He looked really weak in his TvP yesterday, and he only has 2 days to prepare.

I hope that im wrong though and we will be spared of a 4 Protoss semifinal, but If Vortix drops out today I think we'll have PvPvPvP semis.

On August 08 2013 19:27 Zealously wrote:
I'll bet you 500 ESPORTS dollars that Vortix and MMA will face off in the Ro8 should Vortix advance


I'd bet on a mouz teamkill in ro8 with my (0) Esports dollars
Ragnarork
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France9034 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 10:30:31
August 08 2013 10:29 GMT
#19
Rofl, that banner !

Fellow protosses, rejoice !

It might be that time where you can get a championship ! Or see the only non-protoss grab the trophy for maximum trolling, I don't know...

Well, the only non-protoss is MMA ftm, so I'd bet on a protoss champion.
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Shika
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Sweden1711 Posts
August 08 2013 10:30 GMT
#20
On August 08 2013 18:38 KingFool wrote:
i think the winner here is mma. 1 mu to practice, i can see him doing well


TvP is according to himself his worst matchup by far, and he's only got 2 days to practice that matchup. Had it been 2 weeks I would have been inclined to agree with you. As is, I doubt he's very happy to face an all protoss opposition.
Laryleprakon
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New Zealand9496 Posts
August 08 2013 10:37 GMT
#21
Poor ESL if they get 7/8 protoss and they have to be on the weekend with everything else
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August 08 2013 10:47 GMT
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hahaha that banner
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Canada33091 Posts
August 08 2013 10:58 GMT
#23
On August 08 2013 19:30 Shika wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 18:38 KingFool wrote:
i think the winner here is mma. 1 mu to practice, i can see him doing well


TvP is according to himself his worst matchup by far, and he's only got 2 days to practice that matchup. Had it been 2 weeks I would have been inclined to agree with you. As is, I doubt he's very happy to face an all protoss opposition.

He also didn't look unbreakable against NaNiwa either. I mean granted, he's a great player but MMA will have to fight through three Protoss, some of which have brilliant PvT.
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Finland169 Posts
August 08 2013 11:07 GMT
#24
So much protoss <3
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Korea (South)1002 Posts
August 08 2013 11:09 GMT
#25
Banner hahahaha
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Profile Joined July 2011
France90 Posts
August 08 2013 11:10 GMT
#26
This banner took me off guard. Nice preview/recap.

Vortix has little advantage by having only one match-up to prepare and I want to see at least one zerg in Top8.
massivez
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Belgium653 Posts
August 08 2013 11:39 GMT
#27
Protoss makes a good villain
holmesgenius
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Vietnam65 Posts
August 08 2013 11:41 GMT
#28
Ro8: laser show......baby. Toss rules in Euro
Terran imbalance ---- Zerg wins ---- Protoss advances
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Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
August 08 2013 11:50 GMT
#29
On August 08 2013 20:41 holmesgenius wrote:
Ro8: laser show......baby. Toss rules in Euro

sooner or later, they will take over the other regions, believe me
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
August 08 2013 11:51 GMT
#30
I'm prity sure we get 7/8 protoss out. MC and Mana to move on.
Yonnua
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2331 Posts
August 08 2013 11:59 GMT
#31
I really don't want vortix to go through, just because I imagine it will be every one of MMA's worst nightmares joined in to one when it's him vs seven protoss in the Ro8.
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Executerror
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand28 Posts
August 08 2013 12:40 GMT
#32
That poster is awesome. Laughed so good.
evaniss
Profile Joined May 2013
53 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 12:45:40
August 08 2013 12:41 GMT
#33
This Season of WCS EU is WPS (World ProtossShip Series) i feel this season of EU quite boring.
Regardless of the game quality and viewership of WCS EU, i felt WCS AM is much more fun to watch for me in this seasons.
they changes contents for this season is looks more entertain than EU for me
but i felt that WCS EU broadcasting productions is now less of interesting for me.
Compared with last season, Broadcasting is less of changes for something funny format and items.
so i would go to watching WCS KR and WCS AM mainly
i like to see BW units in SC2
Soma91
Profile Joined August 2013
Germany2 Posts
August 08 2013 12:44 GMT
#34
I think it all comes down to Vortix vs Mana. Hope Vortix advances, but I think MC and Mana will move on to the RoP(rotoss) :D
Zer atai
Profile Joined September 2011
United States691 Posts
August 08 2013 12:50 GMT
#35
I love the protoss picture.
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FoShao
Profile Joined November 2012
United States256 Posts
August 08 2013 12:55 GMT
#36
mmmm the time for toss is now
fjjotizz
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden153 Posts
August 08 2013 12:56 GMT
#37
Been loving the write ups so far! Getting pumped for game night lets goooo
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Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 08 2013 13:04 GMT
#38
On August 08 2013 21:41 evaniss wrote:
This Season of WCS EU is WPS (World ProtossShip Series) i feel this season of EU quite boring.
Regardless of the game quality and viewership of WCS EU, i felt WCS AM is much more fun to watch for me in this seasons.
they changes contents for this season is looks more entertain than EU for me
but i felt that WCS EU broadcasting productions is now less of interesting for me.
Compared with last season, Broadcasting is less of changes for something funny format and items.
so i would go to watching WCS KR and WCS AM mainly


NA HOLDS! It was amazing yesterday. To be fair tho, WCS NA is just WCS KR2. But WCS KR2 is really great to watch, and Terry the Intern makes me laugh every time.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 08 2013 13:11 GMT
#39
At last we see this. I would love to see even one more protoss to advance.

Dont be shocked but. I am telling you that there is change of Welmu winning WCS EU Season 2. You heard it here first.
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TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 08 2013 13:15 GMT
#40
On August 08 2013 22:04 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:41 evaniss wrote:
This Season of WCS EU is WPS (World ProtossShip Series) i feel this season of EU quite boring.
Regardless of the game quality and viewership of WCS EU, i felt WCS AM is much more fun to watch for me in this seasons.
they changes contents for this season is looks more entertain than EU for me
but i felt that WCS EU broadcasting productions is now less of interesting for me.
Compared with last season, Broadcasting is less of changes for something funny format and items.
so i would go to watching WCS KR and WCS AM mainly


NA HOLDS! It was amazing yesterday. To be fair tho, WCS NA is just WCS KR2. But WCS KR2 is really great to watch, and Terry the Intern makes me laugh every time.

For me WCS S2 EU has been one of the most exciting/funniest tournaments ever. At the first place is ofc ASUS ROG Winter 2012.

That aftershow after mainshow was so fucking funny when they showed old pictures of Stephano :D
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RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
August 08 2013 13:24 GMT
#41
On August 08 2013 19:27 nihlon wrote:
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On August 08 2013 18:38 KingFool wrote:
i think the winner here is mma. 1 mu to practice, i can see him doing well

Well, most of the protoss players will only have to practice PvP so there's not much of an advantage for him specifically.

This, and even if there's a terran, mma would need to practice like at least 3 differents TvP build orders so that he doesn't become predictable after winning a serie or two...
Not an easy feat as you might actually think >_<
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DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
August 08 2013 13:28 GMT
#42
Great banner, but I'm calling titan in first and mana in second
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Caladan
Profile Joined May 2008
Germany1238 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 13:39:15
August 08 2013 13:29 GMT
#43
On August 08 2013 21:41 evaniss wrote:
This Season of WCS EU is WPS (World ProtossShip Series) i feel this season of EU quite boring.
Regardless of the game quality and viewership of WCS EU, i felt WCS AM is much more fun to watch for me in this seasons.
they changes contents for this season is looks more entertain than EU for me
but i felt that WCS EU broadcasting productions is now less of interesting for me.
Compared with last season, Broadcasting is less of changes for something funny format and items.
so i would go to watching WCS KR and WCS AM mainly



I felt the exact opposite.
Production, players, casters/host, viewers, and of course games - everything was like PERFECT in the last 3 days! Really insane. It can't get any better than this! Definitely the best WCS Premier League so far (I've watched them all).

Big thanks to everyone involved at this! Great entertainment!
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 08 2013 13:36 GMT
#44
On August 08 2013 22:11 TheBloodyDwarf wrote:
At last we see this. I would love to see even one more protoss to advance.

Dont be shocked but. I am telling you that there is change of Welmu winning WCS EU Season 2. You heard it here first.


Whoa, yeah, I hadn't thought about that. Welmu's PvP is really strong, but I don't believe he's better than NaNi or MaNa.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
August 08 2013 13:41 GMT
#45
MC and Vortix? The correct answer is MC and Mana!
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teddyoojo
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Germany22369 Posts
August 08 2013 13:42 GMT
#46
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SayTT
Profile Joined August 2004
Sweden2158 Posts
August 08 2013 13:44 GMT
#47
On August 08 2013 19:27 Zealously wrote:
I'll bet you 500 ESPORTS dollars that Vortix and MMA will face off in the Ro8 should Vortix advance


for that to happen vortix must take the #1 spot in this group. I would bet my ESPORTZ greens on Vortix facing naniwa.
-,-
xAdra
Profile Joined July 2012
Singapore1858 Posts
August 08 2013 13:50 GMT
#48
MC will probably lose-with his recent performances I hardly save any hope for him everytime I see his name
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
August 08 2013 14:14 GMT
#49
About time Protoss shows its muscle again!
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shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
August 08 2013 14:19 GMT
#50
vortix will not advance !
The bet is on TL writter !


also you underestimate MaNa...
RIP MKP
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
August 08 2013 14:34 GMT
#51
TITAN FIGHTING!

Hey, he beat Myungsik in Shanghai, he can beat MC.
Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
August 08 2013 14:35 GMT
#52
I feel that its really worth emphasizing that (with Happy losing) the top 8 this season will have no top 8 finishers from season 1.
great to see new faces this far along.
oblivion awaits- dark archon (aka best unit ever)
Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
August 08 2013 14:45 GMT
#53
On August 08 2013 19:27 Zealously wrote:
I'll bet you 500 ESPORTS dollars that Vortix and MMA will face off in the Ro8 should Vortix advance


But then at least one of them would make it to the season finals for sure instead of only Protoss. I think they will rather be on opposite sides of the bracket.
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Dragoonstorm7
Profile Joined December 2012
United States599 Posts
August 08 2013 14:45 GMT
#54
On August 08 2013 22:29 Caladan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2013 21:41 evaniss wrote:
This Season of WCS EU is WPS (World ProtossShip Series) i feel this season of EU quite boring.
Regardless of the game quality and viewership of WCS EU, i felt WCS AM is much more fun to watch for me in this seasons.
they changes contents for this season is looks more entertain than EU for me
but i felt that WCS EU broadcasting productions is now less of interesting for me.
Compared with last season, Broadcasting is less of changes for something funny format and items.
so i would go to watching WCS KR and WCS AM mainly



I felt the exact opposite.
Production, players, casters/host, viewers, and of course games - everything was like PERFECT in the last 3 days! Really insane. It can't get any better than this! Definitely the best WCS Premier League so far (I've watched them all).

Big thanks to everyone involved at this! Great entertainment!


I agree completely with Caladan; how do consider Stephano's swan song boring; HasuObs and Welmu blasting out of nowhere to dominate their groups; duckdeok's crazy hold vs Lucifron in game3 in a win or go home game; Grubby beating Mvp and Tears of Joy; those all boring too?

One thing I will tho is that WCS AM is a LOT better than last season. But in no way does the EU superiority gap going away mean that EU got worse.
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Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
August 08 2013 14:54 GMT
#55
haha, nice banner
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KingMel
Profile Joined July 2012
France120 Posts
August 08 2013 14:54 GMT
#56
GO VORTIX GOGOGOGOGO VAMOS VAMOS VAMOOOOOS
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 08 2013 15:02 GMT
#57
Gonna be MaNa and Vortix.
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
August 08 2013 15:03 GMT
#58
It's a shame that elfi was eliminated in RO32, he could have won the whole thing.
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Zheryn
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3653 Posts
August 08 2013 15:11 GMT
#59
I usually think these write-ups are very good, and I love that you do them, but it was quite annoying to read this: "Tefel even took the first map, using a mass hydralisk attack to punish NaNiwa's too-fast transition into stargates and skytoss."

This was not even close to what happened in the game, as Naniwa's timings were more than fine, and he would have won easily if he hadn't suicided half his army in to hydras.
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EFBarbarossa
Profile Joined May 2012
19 Posts
August 08 2013 15:36 GMT
#60
I love this for a sole reason: it's showing that Z&T players are simply better mannered :-)

Just imagine the shit storm if the ro8 would consist of 7 zergs...
"Don't judge me, that's my thing."
Crownlol
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States3726 Posts
August 08 2013 15:37 GMT
#61
On August 09 2013 00:36 EFBarbarossa wrote:
I love this for a sole reason: it's showing that Z&T players are simply better mannered :-)

Just imagine the shit storm if the ro8 would consist of 7 zergs...


Oh you mean Wings of Liberty?
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Adonminus
Profile Joined January 2012
Israel543 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-08-08 15:39:50
August 08 2013 15:39 GMT
#62
I think you guys are overrating MaNa, he's not as strong as he used to be right now. All other players in the group seem stronger than him. MC is the boss toss, even if he's inconsistent, he can play really great and take a win. VortiX can be considered as the best european zerg right now, especially if he advances. And Titan really improved a lot and is in great shape, plus he's a really strong blink player in PvP, so don't think he'll lose to MaNa.
TheBloodyDwarf
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Finland7524 Posts
August 08 2013 15:39 GMT
#63
On August 09 2013 00:03 Boucot wrote:
It's a shame that elfi was eliminated in RO32, he could have won the whole thing.

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We could have had Welmu vs elfi final, King of PvP ofc taking win
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Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33330 Posts
August 08 2013 15:40 GMT
#64
On August 09 2013 00:11 Zheryn wrote:
I usually think these write-ups are very good, and I love that you do them, but it was quite annoying to read this: "Tefel even took the first map, using a mass hydralisk attack to punish NaNiwa's too-fast transition into stargates and skytoss."

This was not even close to what happened in the game, as Naniwa's timings were more than fine, and he would have won easily if he hadn't suicided half his army in to hydras.


that's on me, sometimes subtleties are lost when things are shortened for brevity
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nidhogg11
Profile Joined September 2012
Romania24 Posts
August 08 2013 15:45 GMT
#65
Wow, great banner!
EFBarbarossa
Profile Joined May 2012
19 Posts
August 08 2013 15:48 GMT
#66
On August 09 2013 00:37 Crownlol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:36 EFBarbarossa wrote:
I love this for a sole reason: it's showing that Z&T players are simply better mannered :-)

Just imagine the shit storm if the ro8 would consist of 7 zergs...


Oh you mean Wings of Liberty?


exactly my friend, remember the zerg op shitstorms.-.
so, where's the z&t whining now? .. can't find any in this thread so far.

btw: it's been you to make the wol z op'ness comparison to today's p dominance

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Mocking
Profile Joined April 2013
Brazil52 Posts
August 08 2013 16:03 GMT
#67
" his overall solidity against players not-named-lucifron ", that make me laugh. So true.
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CorruptD
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden5 Posts
August 08 2013 16:20 GMT
#68
Naniwa should be even more favored with 7 protoss, as he havent shown his PvP this season while every other protoss have.
logic13
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Sweden128 Posts
August 08 2013 16:29 GMT
#69
It should be group D preview no?
xMindcrime
Profile Joined November 2012
United States2 Posts
August 08 2013 16:39 GMT
#70
I feel like MC has been underperforming lately, I feel like its his time to shine again
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
August 08 2013 16:52 GMT
#71
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Macedonia563 Posts
August 08 2013 17:28 GMT
#72
lol that Banner man.. awkward and funny.. , but like it non-the-less..
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East Gorteau22261 Posts
August 08 2013 18:37 GMT
#73
WSC best tournament
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Profile Blog Joined January 2011
France3021 Posts
August 08 2013 21:34 GMT
#74
Wow, the predictions man, the predictions!
Hexo411
Profile Joined June 2012
Croatia59 Posts
August 09 2013 10:12 GMT
#75
On August 09 2013 00:48 EFBarbarossa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 09 2013 00:37 Crownlol wrote:
On August 09 2013 00:36 EFBarbarossa wrote:
I love this for a sole reason: it's showing that Z&T players are simply better mannered :-)

Just imagine the shit storm if the ro8 would consist of 7 zergs...


Oh you mean Wings of Liberty?


exactly my friend, remember the zerg op shitstorms.-.
so, where's the z&t whining now? .. can't find any in this thread so far.

btw: it's been you to make the wol z op'ness comparison to today's p dominance



hahahahhahhahahahahahahhahaa

When zergs overwhelm the brackets it's considered "overpowered", BUT when protosses do the same, it's called "dominance"...

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