On June 02 2013 07:21 KaiserCommander wrote:
I told you all, "STOP MAKING SOULKEY THE UNDERDOG", because underdogs always win in the GSL... I'm still sad... why? why?...

i feel you brother :p

Ponera

Canada596 Posts

June 02 2013 02:19 GMT

#162

*puts on tin foil hat*

it felt rigged.

igay

Australia1178 Posts

June 02 2013 02:29 GMT

#163

How can someone come back like that after being down 0-3 to the best Terran in the world my mind was blown and such a sick game 7

Redrot

United States446 Posts

June 02 2013 02:55 GMT

#164

They laughed at my Liquibet...oh they did. But I believed.

Mindflow

Korea (South)320 Posts

June 02 2013 03:04 GMT

#165

On the 7th set when I saw bogus' 3 medivacs get sniped by the mutas. I thoroughly punched my monitor and broke it. Gg

StarStruck

25339 Posts

June 02 2013 04:03 GMT

#166

On June 02 2013 07:21 KaiserCommander wrote:
I told you all, "STOP MAKING SOULKEY THE UNDERDOG", because underdogs always win in the GSL... I'm still sad... why? why?...

I have a problem with this because I wouldn't really call SK an underdog. Yes, Bogus has looked mightily good over the last few months in TvZ, but their all-time record is very close. Unfortunately I wish they delivered better games. I was caught scratching my head many times. In terms of suspense it somewhat delivered, but the games were dreadful when you actually look at them in detail in terms of execution. They were all pretty one-sided except for I think game 2, but even then we didn't get a whole lot of foreplay. I guess my favorite moment was when Soulkey popped Bogus' v j j.

FlyingBanana

Australia43 Posts

June 02 2013 04:18 GMT

#167

Soulkey really deserved that, played so well to comeback from 0-3 wow

igay

Australia1178 Posts

June 02 2013 05:23 GMT

#168

i really still just can't believe what happened last night :O

H.R.Giger

China27 Posts

June 02 2013 07:49 GMT

#169

liquibet skyrocketing ... SK for president!

SohcranA

United States36 Posts

June 02 2013 08:27 GMT

#170

On June 02 2013 11:04 Zinthar wrote:

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I think you're trying to glean far too much out of small sample sizes -- MKP & Squirtle were both one game away from being GSL champions. There's nothing particularly definitive about losing a championship by a 4-3 margin to conclude that guys like MKP, Squirtle, and Innovation are missing some sort of intangible like mental fortitude. There's always a certain degree of randomness in these matches.

Take this GSL final for example: If Innovation had played Game 4 a little differently and won that match, everyone would be raving about the drubbing Innovation put on Soulkey.

I accidentally spoiled myself as to the results of this finals before watching the VOD's, and because I already knew what was coming, I decided to try and pay attention to the visible emotion (or lack thereof, in some cases) shown by the players during the ebb and flow of this series. If anything, I think Innovation 'appeared' more composed (for what that's worth) as the the series swung against him. The ill-fated doom drop attempt in game 7 was quite reasonable when you consider that he probably thought he was losing after failing to do enough damage with the hellbats -- he saw a few mutas near Soulkey's base, but easily may have thought that they had moved. Perhaps he shouldn't have risked it in any event, but ultimately at this level the players have to take some calculated risks because you don't have perfect informtion about what your opponent is doing.

On a side note, entertaining though they are, Tastosis are pretty bad about pushing this perception of recent GSL results being the absolute, final word on player skill. At the beginning of this GSL they had crowned Rain as the best Protoss in the world; then by the Ro8 they determined that it was definitively Parting. Aside from maybe the coaches and players on SK Telecom T1 who know them both very well, there's not enough data to say.

Ok, fair, but when MVP has won his 5th GSL and MKP has failed to close out his nth bo7 and ends up in second place again, doesn't the sample size start to look pretty solid?

As silly as I find it for us mere mortals to criticize the gameplay of such giants, I really couldn't shake the feeling that Innovation played like he was getting tired in the latter games.

MysticaL

Canada118 Posts

June 02 2013 09:41 GMT

#171

Great games & series, but I'm sad that innovation lost. Don't want to take anything away from soulkey because he's obviously insanely good, but I honestly think inno's the better player that got roach all inned 3 times in a row,

He really should have added a tank to his builds lol :/

ozkaze

Australia4 Posts

June 02 2013 10:05 GMT

#172

Well congrats to Soulkey(damn zerg mofo) he actually did deserve to win after that come back but like all terran players i feel so devo that happened, however i agree with both Mystical and SohcranA because Innovation looked and played like crap after the 5th or 6th set he basically lost all focus and made some huge mistakes which was unlike Innovation to make those sort of mistakes, and on the other hand doing a roach all in 3 hands was the biggest aids event that ever happend much like symbol and his raoch all in with the nydus worm it must be a zerg thing :p jokes, however out all the games that were played Innovation definately showed more and more class with the games he did win especially with that cheese.

Mikku

Czech Republic58 Posts

June 02 2013 10:31 GMT

#173

This was quite surprising.

KoRDragoon

Sweden63 Posts

June 02 2013 11:06 GMT

#174

On June 02 2013 07:21 KaiserCommander wrote:
I told you all, "STOP MAKING SOULKEY THE UNDERDOG", because underdogs always win in the GSL... I'm still sad... why? why?...

YES! I made him win!!

llIH

Norway2147 Posts

June 02 2013 11:54 GMT

#175

I was actually hoping InNovation would 4-0 Soulkey. Would be an awesome finish of an awesome raid through this GSL for InNovation!

JeanieOwen73

4 Posts

June 02 2013 12:02 GMT

#176

--- Nuked ---

Oddball28

Denmark2121 Posts

June 02 2013 12:10 GMT

#177

To me the finals doesn't feel like Soulkey won it, it pretty much seems like Innovation lost it. If you get what I mean... I feel so sad for Innovation, however I don't doubt that he will strike back next season..

thezanursic

5504 Posts

June 02 2013 16:01 GMT

#178

Innovation for next Kong!

larse

1611 Posts

June 02 2013 16:17 GMT

#179

I still can't get off my mind of all these games. It's too crazy.

shiftY803

200 Posts

June 02 2013 16:40 GMT

#180

People seem to think that the build choices were a little strange, but I think that is potentially missing the point a bit. I cannot help but think INnoVation was playing some deep, deep mind games with Soulkey. Only problem was, either due to luck or skill Soulkey did not end up buying it. Although, the big drop that INnoVation lost in the final game had to just be nerves.

Like in poker for example - against a skilled opponent who knows you very well it can get very confusing to put the other player on the correct range. "He thinks that I will play a flush draw with ace over-card in a certain way, and I know this, but he knows I know this, and I know he knows I know this, etc." It can get pretty ridiculous. You look like a genius when things work out, but sometimes they do not.

Watching the games live was fantastically exciting in any case, no matter how it seems if you skip through the VODs. What a comeback.