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Soulkey 4 - 3 Innovation - WCS KR Finals Recap - Page 8
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MidnightZL
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liberate71
Australia10252 Posts
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
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13JackaL
United States577 Posts
On June 02 2013 03:35 Fischbacher wrote: Great finals. Amazing comeback and lots of cheese. Soulkey got a bit luck in game 7 but I still think he proved to have the most mental fortitude on the day. To be fair, MVP faces easier opposition than Innovation does, both now and when he was winning GSLs. You are right. And when Mvp EZs the WCS finals, you will still be right  | ||
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Shinta)
United States1716 Posts
On June 01 2013 23:28 RKC wrote: Sorry, I don't think you follow enough sports enough. Seldom do you see "standard games" or "beautiful games" in finals. There is so much meta-gaming involved. And even in football finals, goals (if there is even one, in normal time) are often crafted out a single oversight or slip-up, or rather, there is something can be done to prevent the goal. Just because a game is not flawless, doesn't mean the players are not giving their best. Sometimes, a mistake is magnified just because it happens in a final, whilst on any other ocassion it would be accepted. If you want purely visually entertaining finals, maybe pro-wrestling is your cup of tea. For me, the series was entertaining, because of the meta-game behind the actual plays on screen. Maybe it's just me. Sorry but I don't think YOU follow sports enough.... In the finals, you want to play solid and not lose. Teams always give it their all and play specifically so they don't screw up and lose a silly loss that will embarrass them. The point is to play the finals the same way you were able to win all of your other matches. INoVation played so far below the level he showed in literally all of his previous matches, it turned out to be a pity that he was in the finals. The games were not entertaining because they weren't doing much meta... INnoVation started off with a 2 rax, cool! That's great, and he won because Soulkey totally blew the game, which is exactly what INoVation wanted from that mind game play. After that wasn't so much meta play, buy terrible play. Both players stopped playing logically, and instead tried to throw timings together and after they got shut down they weren't able to think enough to provide even a decent competition, which isn't very hard, especially for these players who do it all the time... It's not that I was hoping these two would play perfect because its the finals, I just wanted then to not play like shit. Imagine going to a football finals. You want to see an awesome match and hopefully your team wins, but instead the result is that both teams accidentally scored on themselves, and the deciding goal, the defending goalie accidentally tripped and let a terrible shot go in. That is how terrible I feel these guys played. No doubt they are incredible players, but their minds were in the gutter. INoVation forgot everything that allowed him to win all the way up to the finals. Not only that, but his micro and decision making were both really off in every game. Mostly showing poor micro, with glimpses of good micro. Soulkey was a little more entertaining to watch, but he also completely blew the first few games. Even with the advantage, he tried to take bad fights and try to finish the game rather than completely destroy INoVation like he easily could have. Plz don't talk about the games being all "meta" and this "not standard"... The games were won off of who play worse, rather than who played better, and that's what made it a bad finals. | ||
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Brett
Australia3823 Posts
Really tired of zerg victories. | ||
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MythZero
Korea (South)102 Posts
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
Incredible turnaround. Epic choke for Bogus. | ||
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tshi
United States2495 Posts
On June 02 2013 07:49 Brett wrote: So frustrating to watch INnovation just fall apart and fail to adapt :\ Really tired of zerg victories. He has a great throwing arm. Also, I think it's more of Soulkey not falling apart mentally than Zerg being OP. I'm high masters, or I would be if it wasn't for Zerg being OP ; (. + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/rwiJMgW.jpg) | ||
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hansonslee
United States2027 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On June 01 2013 20:25 lichter wrote: FIONN'S 11K 5HOUR ARTICLE WHERE IS IT? gg soulkey <3 With... pictures... Q_Q | ||
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glzElectromaster
Japan2474 Posts
But props to Soulkey, although he looked shaken after game 3, I guess his coach told him "You can't lose, do the meanest builds against Innovation to come back." Just what Soulkey did. I'm curious if we'll see this matchup again at the Season Finals. | ||
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TheAmazombie
United States3714 Posts
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Milkis
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Glenn313
United States475 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
Innovation was sloppy all around, never seen him play so badly. | ||
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mizU
United States12125 Posts
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Zinthar
United States394 Posts
On June 02 2013 00:43 Neemi wrote: It's hard to define what makes a "best player in the world". A few months ago it was easy, because Life was basically winning every single thing he entered. But during a final, it's not just micro/macro/in-game strategy that determines the winner. If it was, I feel Innovation would have won. But there's a reason players like MarineKing and Squirtle have never won a GSL and Mvp/Life won so many titles. It's that mental fortitude, the meta-gaming all around which defines who becomes champion and who doesn't. Congrats to Soulkey, that was one well deserved victory (: I think you're trying to glean far too much out of small sample sizes -- MKP & Squirtle were both one game away from being GSL champions. There's nothing particularly definitive about losing a championship by a 4-3 margin to conclude that guys like MKP, Squirtle, and Innovation are missing some sort of intangible like mental fortitude. There's always a certain degree of randomness in these matches. Take this GSL final for example: If Innovation had played Game 4 a little differently and won that match, everyone would be raving about the drubbing Innovation put on Soulkey. I accidentally spoiled myself as to the results of this finals before watching the VOD's, and because I already knew what was coming, I decided to try and pay attention to the visible emotion (or lack thereof, in some cases) shown by the players during the ebb and flow of this series. If anything, I think Innovation 'appeared' more composed (for what that's worth) as the the series swung against him. The ill-fated doom drop attempt in game 7 was quite reasonable when you consider that he probably thought he was losing after failing to do enough damage with the hellbats -- he saw a few mutas near Soulkey's base, but easily may have thought that they had moved. Perhaps he shouldn't have risked it in any event, but ultimately at this level the players have to take some calculated risks because you don't have perfect informtion about what your opponent is doing. On a side note, entertaining though they are, Tastosis are pretty bad about pushing this perception of recent GSL results being the absolute, final word on player skill. At the beginning of this GSL they had crowned Rain as the best Protoss in the world; then by the Ro8 they determined that it was definitively Parting. Aside from maybe the coaches and players on SK Telecom T1 who know them both very well, there's not enough data to say. | ||
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