EPT[Code A] Ro24 - Day 2 Recap/Day 3 Preview (S1) - Page 2
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On February 27 2013 12:08 Inzan1ty wrote: He did got some good practice out of those matches tho, and there is no reason he couldnt make it through U/D being (once again) one of the favorites there...(I do hope he gets HerO  )What bothers me is that up to this point no decent team had made him offers yet, and I would be seriously pissed if he ends up in coL or WW or smth as he still has potential to become a top 5 terran in the right environment Watch as he ends up on LG-IM. At this point I wouldn't even be surprised lol.... | ||
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Elroi
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Considering this and the KeSPA players' aptitude for preparation With the risk of repeating myself, KeSPA players are known for their preparation and there is no telling what the SKT Zergs can whip together for soO. This is a little bit strange to say when in fact the kespa players aren't practicing at all more or less for GSL (like Soulkey who said that he had actually never played on Bel'Ashir (?) before his ro16 game on it lol). Read their interviews, again and again they say that they only get to practice for these games the night before the match. And to suggest that the other team mates would help them prepare as if it was an OSL finals is kind of weird. If anything it is the other way around. The KeSPA players are the favorites here imo but the GSL players can make upsets because of superior preparation! | ||
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Zealously
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On February 27 2013 16:29 Elroi wrote: This is a little bit strange to say when in fact the kespa players aren't practicing at all more or less for GSL (like Soulkey who said that he had actually never played on Bel'Ashir (?) before his ro16 game on it lol). Read their interviews, again and again they say that they only get to practice for these games the night before the match. And to suggest that the other team mates would help them prepare as if it was an OSL finals is kind of weird. If anything it is the other way around. The KeSPA players are the favorites here imo but the GSL players can make upsets because of superior preparation! Did you watch Flying vs Stephano? | ||
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Evil_Sheep
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Actually I think Elroi has a good point, the kespa players are known for their marathon practice sessions for Proleague and having little time leftover for GSL. The ESF players on the other hand for most of them GSL is the only thing to prepare for. I think we saw a bit of that in Innovation-Symbol where Innovation I think would've beat Symbol if they had met in an open tournament like IPL but Symbol prepared a lot of great builds and scouted his opponent very well, so that he even felt comfortable opening, I believe, two games with 3 hatch before pool, and stealing game 5 on icarus with a very sneaky map-specific nydus all-in. Innovation on the other hand basically came with the intention to play standard every game and win with his superior standard play. I can't quantify it, but I definitely have felt that the GSL games I've watched that the Kespa players have tended towards safe, standard, conservative play, especially in code A, which is how you'd play if you didn't have much time to prepare or scout your opponent. PS: I did watch Flying-Stephano and yes Flying came in with two really great builds and sniped Stephano. His Phoenix build was so good that Yonghwa straight up copied it the next day and stole a game off Leenock in exactly the same way (and same map I'm pretty sure.) I wish MC had tried it against Roro in the ro8, then we might not be talking about the extinction of the Protoss race :S | ||
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Elroi
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Yes. What's your point? Flying won through better multi-tasking and execution... In his interview he said he didn't have much time to practice for the game and didn't prepare any specific strategies. And he sure didn't skip PL to practice for GSL, like Stephano... + Show Spoiler + For the first time, you've advanced to the third round of Code A with today's victory. How do you feel? I am so glad that I was able to beat a player like Stephano who is known for being good at ZvP even though I didn't get a lot of practicing done. My next opponent will be sOs and I hope to have a good match with him. You were able to win because you responded to his strategies. Where did you put your focus on? I studied Stephano's VODs as I pondered about which strategy would be the best to use against him but I just ended up deciding what to do as I was playing against him. | ||
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Zealously
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It may be that some of them say that they do not practice for GSL (from a strictly personal perspective, I don't think that's true - but my opinion on the matter is irrelevant), but these matches most certainly matter to them - many of the top KeSPA players repeatedly make it clear that they want to get to Code S no matter what, which makes me doubt that they "don't practice". I guess in ZvZ, it might not be possible to engineer as specific strategies as in non-mirror match-ups, in which case preparation matters less and other factors become more important, but overall I think it's silly to say that the KeSPA players won't prepare whenever they can - because they've proven to be quite good at it. + Show Spoiler + Hitman vs. TY in Proleague from a while back comes to mind. Though it was Proleague which is the main focus of most players, it's a very good example of how a strategy can be created to take out a specific player on a specific map. We have no way of knowing how long it actually takes to plan out a strategy like that, but if it doesn't steal away more than an evening or two from Proleague practice, I can imagine it being commonplace; no matter what they say in interviews. | ||
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Zealously
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On February 27 2013 18:25 opterown wrote: you also hear very often that nonkespas prepare for their matches just on ladder, which is hardly specific preparation haha Also true. All in all, I think the players (eSF and KeSPA) lie about how they practice, at least sometimes. | ||
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Elroi
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On February 27 2013 18:27 Zealously wrote: Also true. All in all, I think the players (eSF and KeSPA) lie about how they practice, at least sometimes. This is probably partially true given that it is always better for the KeSPA players to say that they are focusing on the team leagues than the individual leagues because team moral is so important. But at the same time I am almost completely certain that the KeSPA players would do incredibly much better in GSL if they valued it a little bit higher and practiced more. And I don't think GSL is good for measuring their skill. In order to do that you'd have to watch PL. Thx for the write up btw, just noticed it was you who did it.  | ||
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