EPT[GSL] Finals Recap: Life vs. Mvp (Season 4) - Page 12
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CycoDude
United States326 Posts
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Napoleon53
Denmark167 Posts
On October 21 2012 20:21 CycoDude wrote: what the hell is a "royal roader" anyway? = debutant winner. This is the first GSL for life. | ||
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Samhax
1054 Posts
On October 21 2012 19:36 summerloud wrote: i have to say the games were so boring even though it went 4-3 that i ended up not even watching the last two games and instead browsing the web most of the time basically you know who will win 95% of the time after the first harass and then you can watch it play out gruesomely slow for the next 20 minutes... if terran doesnt do huge damage harassing then zerg will win with its ridic overpowered late game comp. if terran kills 50 drones early on then terran will win because he can push before zerg gets that comp drop defense is so easy for zerg and harass options so limited that games just dont get turned around later on any more infestors being so ridiculously overpowered that they make banelings and mutas unnecessary thus taking out two very fun to watch units in favor of OMG ANOTHER PERFECT FUNGAL YAY its the same "watch shit turn green and die to gglords" every lategame and micro-wise i see players do pretty much the same to me in diamond league so its really hard to get excited over it... i agree that infestors are less fun to watch than muta/bling. But i disagree about the lategame being completely unwinnable for Terran; MVP in this series played far from perfect, he did some crucial mistakes, basically he never had a optimal late game composition : -no Thor to help the vikings againt corruptors -no ghost to emp infestors, even if at sometimes he had the economy to do it -no raven, PDD is really good against corruptors and seekers missile is also good against broodlords it would be legit to whine if MVP played perfectly and lost but it was not the case at all. | ||
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
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WeavingHarp9
Sweden23 Posts
On October 21 2012 14:05 MateShade wrote: Get over it, it's the same with every sport on the planet, you're just going to have to suck it up if you didn't watch it live Yeah, guess why people are shying from news, tvs, internet etc if they recorded a game! It's to dodge spoilers, just like TL.net is a news site you should regard it in the same way, dodge it if you dont want spoils from the "stanley cup" of starcraft 2  | ||
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SCRaven
United States17 Posts
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pat777
United States356 Posts
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TheGGparadox
United States37 Posts
For 1 thing, life did not simply defend the hellion or hellion/banshee harass for the first 20 minutes and win with BL/infestor. He was contesting the map with lings, always looking for counter attacks (although he didn't get them too often vs. the solid mech play from MVP) and keeping the hellions off of his mineral lines for most of the games that he won. When MVP won, he was able to get decent drone kills early on. The ling heavy style itself was another interesting thing. Life delays his roaches for quite some time every game (unlike most zergs that play against mech) and still manages to deflect the 2 fact attacks while allowing himself counterattack opportunities. His ling/infestor control was the best that I've seen in a long time. Even when BL compositions were used, they weren't the same "turtle to 5 base make 20 BL's and go" games.Life always had supporting lings or roaches that were hitting another location. In fact, I would say Life was almost wasteful with his BL armies. Not wasteful in the sense of suiciding them, but in the sense that he didn't rely on them very heavily and could afford to lose them in many situations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Life ever remaxing on BL infestor. There was rarely an idle moment in these games. It seemed like there was always something happening on screen that would have an impact on the outcome. tl;dr: I loved these finals because Life's play looked inspiring, despite what most people think of the games ^.^ The story was good too! | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On October 21 2012 09:26 Samhax wrote: Personnaly, i think MVP was completely off mechanically. He was the better player strategically but he couldn't do what he wanted to do because he was limited by his hands (he never played bio in his bo7). his macro was off and he did some tactical mistakes, but i think his mind wasn't clear with all the pain. I'm really tired with all this " games were boring", "infestors are imba", etc. It really depressing, immature whining is killing sc2. on the other hand Life is a monster mechanically and a good tactical player, but he was schooled by MVP strategically at the end of the day, the better player won. Even if it was not a 100% MVP, you have to give credit to the kid, a handicaped MVP can beat anyone in a final ( hi squirtle). Watched VODs and you are right. MVP's builds and/or macro were completely off, from the game 1 where I saw his mineral piling over 1.5K and gas nearly 1K. And that was during early-mid game when he only had 2 bases. Casters did not mention that (understandable), but throughout the series MVP's macro was total crap. He was still able to almost win it, which is a testament to his skill and game understanding, but it made a lackluster series where Life got away with so many mistakes. (which, ironically, aren't really mistakes for Life since he is so fast that he can afford to waste some units here and there -> a testament to his skill as well) I just think the games would have been better quality had MVP showed up with a better condition. | ||
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rice_devOurer
United States773 Posts
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KaiserCommander
Mexico290 Posts
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SorrowShine
698 Posts
However I feel like Life vs Rain would be even more deserved as a final. Again testament to MVP for his effort | ||
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[F_]aths
Germany3947 Posts
On October 22 2012 03:59 TheGGparadox wrote: Did I watch a completely different series from everyone else? Personally, I thought this was the best finals yet. The story was there, the score 4-3 was there. As for the games, I thought that they were noticeably different different from typical TvZ. For 1 thing, life did not simply defend the hellion or hellion/banshee harass for the first 20 minutes and win with BL/infestor. He was contesting the map with lings, always looking for counter attacks (although he didn't get them too often vs. the solid mech play from MVP) and keeping the hellions off of his mineral lines for most of the games that he won. When MVP won, he was able to get decent drone kills early on. The ling heavy style itself was another interesting thing. Life delays his roaches for quite some time every game (unlike most zergs that play against mech) and still manages to deflect the 2 fact attacks while allowing himself counterattack opportunities. His ling/infestor control was the best that I've seen in a long time. Even when BL compositions were used, they weren't the same "turtle to 5 base make 20 BL's and go" games.Life always had supporting lings or roaches that were hitting another location. In fact, I would say Life was almost wasteful with his BL armies. Not wasteful in the sense of suiciding them, but in the sense that he didn't rely on them very heavily and could afford to lose them in many situations. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't recall Life ever remaxing on BL infestor. There was rarely an idle moment in these games. It seemed like there was always something happening on screen that would have an impact on the outcome. tl;dr: I loved these finals because Life's play looked inspiring, despite what most people think of the games ^.^ The story was good too! The story was great, but the games lacked a bit I would say. Compare it to Blizzcon 2011 for example where we got a handful of one-sided games but also some real nailbiter. All in all a satisfying finals, though, and a worthy conclusion of the season. In fact, the 2012 season 4 could really be one of the most memorable seasons ever. | ||
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Raid
United States398 Posts
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meatbox
Australia349 Posts
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Interstellar
Mexico67 Posts
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onPHYRE
Bulgaria915 Posts
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mrjpark
United States276 Posts
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Sakray
France2198 Posts
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Superdogmot
Australia20 Posts
But even if it seemed that MVP was playing perfectly and lost, that literally means nothing in terms of balance. Personally I thought it was a great series and very exciting. MVP went hellions every game to deal with Life's zergling style and it was working, but he was outplayed later on in the game. Yes outplayed. | ||
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