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[IEM] Cologne - Group Stage D1 Preview

Text byTL.net ESPORTS
Graphics byMeko
August 16th, 2012 00:42 GMT
  • .01
    Day One Preview
  • .A
    Group A Preview
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    Group B Preview
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    IEM Cologne on Liquipedia
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Day One Briefs

by Waxangel

If you want to see who beat who, and who made it through, head on over to Liquipedia for the full brackets. If you want to download replays, head over to the ESL site (spoiler free layout!). Here are some brief thoughts to wrap up the first day of Gamescom.

Nani?! NaNiwa eliminated?

After receiving a short term sponsorship from Mionix to compete at IEM Cologne, NaNiwa didn't exactly make the best case for receiving a contract extension after he crashed out of the tournament with consecutive losses to AureS and YongHwa.

Honestly, given NaNiwa's spotty record at foreign LANs in 2012, it's not the weirdest upset we've seen, but the extenuating circumstances around his exit were intriguing indeed. NaNiwa offered up the explanation that JYP interfered as he was playing his games against AureS, which IEM later clarified by explaining that JYP had come to say hi to NaNiwa, not knowing he was in an official tournament game. Of course, Stephano couldn't resist chipping in with his thoughts, which were, well, typical Stephano. JYP wasn't exactly pleased with being made a scapegoat, and had some choice words to add as well.

So, who are the winners and losers in this latest case of ESPORTS drama? (Besides me, since I'm obviously a loser for writing so much about it already).

Winner: NaNiwa
Refrained from saying "Joke tournament," thus avoiding burning yet another bridge.

Loser: Stephano
His trash talking was par for the course, but mostly served to remind us of how he dodged playing a showmatch with NaNiwa months ago.

No Change: IEM
IEM's indistinguishable practice/official game area has been begging for this kind of problem for years now. However, can you really blame them for not preparing for the possibility of a Korean pro-gamer being outgoing, personable, and actively approaching foreigners?

Loser: JYP
Come on, that was kind of dumb.

Winner: JYP
Still, he now owns the best English tweet from a Korean progamer ever.


Germany All-Killed

Apparently there weren't any East German officials employed by IEM, as the open bracket seeding placed three of the home country's fan favorites, Socke, XlorD, and DarKFoRcE all in the same group... with NesTea and PuMa. After that, they threw in not-Chilean Killer and Strelok in for good measure. To absolutely no one's surprise, not a single German player managed to advance. With Delphi also getting eliminated from another open bracket group, that leaves just HasuObs to carry the banner for his country in the Ro24 groups.

However, it's too soon to lose hope. Together in a group with VortiX, SuperNova, KiLLeR, MC, and ReaL, HasuObs has a decent shot at making top three and progressing to the next round. The two players he drew from the open bracket were ReaL and MC, both of whom should be quite palatable opponents for HasuObs considering it's PvP. After that point, bracket luck will factor in heavily as to how far he can make it in the elimination tournament.

In addition, ReaL also made it through the open bracket by defeating LG-IM's YongHwa for a second place finish in his group. Real has been competing out of Germany for nearly a year now, which is longer than it took for American to claim viOLet and SeleCT as her adopted sons. Could anyone really blame Germany for doing the same with ReaL?


.A
Group A Preview

by Waxangel

Group A: (Z)WW.SortOf, (Z)Acer.Nerchio, (P)TSL_inori, (T)EG.DeMusliM, (T)Mill.ForGG, (T)EG.PuMa

1st place advances to Ro8, 2nd and 3rd advance to Ro12

Though it's easy to look at the seven GSL championships over next door in group B, Group A stands out among all four group Ro24 groups as the one that's the hardest to predict. While it probably doesn't have the strongest player in the tournament, all six players are extremely skilled nonetheless with very little separating them. They're unlucky to be grouped together, but the viewers should count themselves fortunate to see a group where they can expect all the games to be close.

Elephant vs PuMa: The Original Elephant fOrGG has finally called it quits in Korea, forfeiting his Code A spot to look for more lucrative opportunities in Europe. After all the foreign money he's tasted during his hundreds (if not thousands) of hours of streaming, you can't blame him. He's already been a hit, taking third place in his debut at ASUS ROG Summer. That finish alone justifies his decision to leave Korea, with the third place prize of $4,000 already matching his GSL winnings so far.

What's more impressive is that he did it while trespassing all over PuMa's turf, uprooting trees and tearing up the dirt. In 2011, PuMa was the king of extracting money from international tournaments, and another Korean Terran with an affinity for 1/1/1s must have felt like an imminent threat to his domain. PuMa tried to make fOrGG fight for his cut, but he ended up getting soundly beaten, losing 1 – 3 and then 2 – 3 to get eliminated from ASUS ROG.

PuMa seems to have shrugged off that setback, coming into this group with a strong open bracket performance where he beat DarkForce, Killer, and Nestea in a row. It's time for round two between these two beastly Terrans, and their groupmates will have to take care not to be trampled underneath.

SortOf a big deal

Yes, I recycled that header.

Looking at their most recent results, SortOf and Nerchio are two of the players carrying the most foreign hopes for this tournament. Everyone will be familiar with Nerchio's championship run through HomeStoryCup V, where he beat MC and Yonghwa by a combined score of 7 – 2 to take first place. Though SortOf can't match that GSL champion toppling achievement, he has come out of nowhere to get some great results, taking 2nd place at WCS Sweden and making top eight at a Korean packed ASUS ROG Summer (MaNa was the only other non-Korean quarter-finalist). There might be more famous international names in this tournament, but you'll be hard pressed to find any that are doing better at this very moment.

There's less pressure on SortOf to get another good result here, since as mentioned above, he did come out of nowhere, and fans are still in the process of getting to know him. Even if he didn't advance, playing a few respectable games and dropping out against this array of strong players would enhance his reputation. However, if he gets out of the group, he'd be taking a giant hammer swing at the glass ceiling separating himself from the elites of the international scene.

This is an opportunity for Nerchio as well. He doesn't have to prove that he can 'do it again,' as foreigners love their heroes too much to force them to such lengths. Instead, this tournament is a chance to go even further, pushing out the Swedish trio of ThorZaIN, SaSe, and NaNiwa to put himself solidly in second place in the top foreigner debates. And from there, it's just another hop, skip, and jump away to Stephano vs Nerchio becoming new, primary rivalry of Starcraft II.

Do pro-gamers themselves actually care about this crap? Probably not. But it does happen to be splendidly entertaining as a fan.

And the rest

In a stacked group, DeMusliM and Inori would have to be reluctantly considered the least scary players by a narrow margin. However, anything could happen in this group, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to see either of them make the top three. That's all I can afford to type until EG or TSL send me a check.

.B
Group B Preview

by Waxangel

Group B: (P)Mill.Feast, (T)Empire|Kas, (Z)Tt.PiG, (Z)AZUBU.viOLet, (T)LG-IM_Mvp, (Z)LG-IM_NesTea

1st place advances to Ro8, 2nd and 3rd advance to Ro12

Elephant in the Group

Sometimes, we at TL regret running the "Elephant in the room" jokes into the ground, since now it's hard to use them in any context other than KeSPA players. Now is such a time, since it's an expression that would be pretty appropriate for this group.

It would be great to talk about the return of Feast, IEM Season Six's break-out star, discuss WCS Australia champion PiG's chances outside of his small pond, muse on the implications of viOLet's Code S level skill that was cultivated outside Korea, or try to dispel Kas' undeserved reputation for being bad at LANs. It would be great, but not when there's seven Code S Championship's worth of players together in this group.

No one can deny that at this point in their careers, Mvp and Nestea are living off their reputations to some degree. Their mechanics are definitely worse compared to their newer colleagues, and the games from their earlier championship runs have not aged very well when you wander back for a another viewing.

However, it's very difficult to tell whether they've merely lost a bit of their exterior luster, or if there's been real, fundamental decline. Mvp seemed 100% done, stick-a-fork-in-him done as a champion as early as February this year, but he came roaring back with one of the greatest runs in Starcraft II history to to win Code S for a record-setting fourth time in May. On a lesser, but still impressive level, Nestea proved he still had that spark in him as he took third place at IPL4 in April. Class, as they say, is permanent.

Those high points contrast harshly with the lows, such as Mvp's trip to HSC V which is almost better being totally forgotten. Dropping games against, Ret, Naama, and Monchi ("who?" POINT MADE), Mvp looked absolutely terrible compared to his championship standard. Likewise, Nestea has also shown weakness in the past, dropping out of Winter Arena after losing to DeMuslim and NaNiwa.

Where do they stand now? Well, we can say this much: Mvp and Nestea would never have decided to play at this tournament if not for their obligation to LG at Gamescom. Sure, there's always a chance that they will do well, but it's the same chance any Code S level Korean has at an international tournament. Unless they are big favorites to win it all, like they were at any tournament during their primes in 2011, there's no reason for Mvp and Nestea to jet set around the world at the risk of damaging their reputations. They know where they are at their best (the GSL), and as pro-gamers, they're probably pretty damn good at risk-reward assessment.

Yet, here they are, waiting to see what this forced gamble might yield. A championship? A little bit more polish on an already shining reputation. Top four? Status quo will be kept, and they will have dodged a bullet. Any less? Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment.

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Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: Meko.
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Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
August 16 2012 00:56 GMT
#2
group a : forgg nerchio inori
group b violet mvp nestea

(no order)
Enel
Profile Joined April 2012
Sudan430 Posts
August 16 2012 01:00 GMT
#3
the same as olinim
Go Sudan
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
August 16 2012 01:16 GMT
#4
Feast to impress again (before fading out as always in the upcoming weeks)

forGG to take it all
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 01:47:23
August 16 2012 01:33 GMT
#5
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp

I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.

I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
August 16 2012 01:33 GMT
#6
I bet Nestea doesn't make it out of the group.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
August 16 2012 01:49 GMT
#7
I hope the lesser players in Group B are up for the regicidal task ahead of them. There are more GSL championships between Nestea and MVP than there are players in the entire group.
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bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
August 16 2012 01:49 GMT
#8
I hope PiG can do well, but most likely Group B should be a KR affair. Group A could be anyone's group...I don't want to guess!
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Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
August 16 2012 01:56 GMT
#9
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp

I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.

I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.


when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
August 16 2012 02:01 GMT
#10
On August 16 2012 10:56 Gamegene wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp

I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.

I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.


when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.


So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.

Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.
RynoSoren
Profile Joined November 2011
United States32 Posts
August 16 2012 02:02 GMT
#11
I get the feeling that NesTea sometimes chooses how well he does at a tournament. The farther away from the finals he is the worse he does.
zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
August 16 2012 02:08 GMT
#12
On August 16 2012 11:01 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 10:56 Gamegene wrote:
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp

I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.

I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.


when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.


So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.

Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.


Thats because naniwa hasnt won any GSL championships while MVP and Nestea have 4 and 3 respectevely
bropedo
Profile Joined April 2012
United States89 Posts
August 16 2012 02:11 GMT
#13
Doesnt matter, Bombers takin it all
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-16 02:19:35
August 16 2012 02:11 GMT
#14
On August 16 2012 11:08 zeratul_jf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 16 2012 11:01 Dodgin wrote:
On August 16 2012 10:56 Gamegene wrote:
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote:
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp

I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.

I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.


when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.


So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.

Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.


Thats because naniwa hasnt won any GSL championships while MVP and Nestea have 4 and 3 respectevely


Okay fine I can accept that, but the core of my argument is not the last part.

So what you guys are suggesting is that they have to draw a line where they think " we are successful enough, now we have to protect our image and not go to foreign events where we might lose and look bad "

So I ask, protect their image for what purpose? They are the kings of GSL no matter what happens here, if they win they go home with a good experience and some more money, if they lose they go home with a good experience and not as much money as they would get for winning.

Does anyone really think any player in sc2 is invincible? Are people surprised when Mvp goes to a foreign event and doesn't win? Starcraft 2 is not at the point yet where the best player in the world wins every game, there will be upsets.

Clearly, Nestea and Mvp are not as dominant as they were last year, you can see that by looking at their games inside Korea. I still want to watch them play, even if they don't win or are not the favorites to win I hope they show up and compete to put on a good show for their fans. I'm sure people who attend the event are fucking ecstatic that they get to meet such legends as well.

To take that away for the purpose of preserving a sense of pride is ridiculous, and I refuse to believe that's the way they actually think. They are just guys enjoying their lives playing video games and traveling around the world.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
August 16 2012 02:29 GMT
#15
I completely agree with Dodgin.

LG should be happy because they made a deal with the best StarCraft 2 team. Can anyone deny that after 2 consecutive GSL championships, IPL TAC 3 victory, and the sheer depth of their lineup?

Mvp and NesTea don't give a fuck about all that stuff. They have sponsor obligations, they go to IEM. Once they're there, they play to win and either of them can easily be considered the favorite to win the whole tournament. They're champions, they're not scrubs who are scared of losing to the first no-name player around. Granted, Mvp has had some questionable losses, but that's not going to stop him from winning another GSL.
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VictorJones
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States235 Posts
August 16 2012 02:38 GMT
#16
I have to disagree with a lot of what was written in this article.

Naniwa did not win in this situation. He came off as a whiner after losing to a no-name and a middling korean protoss by blaming a well liked JYP. I can't help but note the bias here since Wax's very argument for talking about how MVP was "done" was losing to a no-name player (monchi) but make absolutely no claim to Naniwa being "done" despite his similar losses and go so far as to call him a winner? In fact, he goes on to talk about Nestea's "showing weakness in the past" by losing to... Naniwa? Wat. And yet, his reputation is allegedly fine -> winner.

IEM is an important tournament for european fans but fans from NA and Korea don't care so much as to tarnish reputations based on results earned there. The only way for a reputation to be hurt in this case is if they seem legitimately outplayed by players that are supposedly much worse than them. There are very few results that indicate that any player in group B besides feast and violet are on a level with MVP or Nestea in terms of sheer ability. That's different than to say that there is room for upsets to occur but they would still be upsets even though the two Code S champions have not done amazingly well at these types of events historically. If there was a chance that pig or kas would manhandle the two Code S players, there would be room for speculation about the reputations of the two Code S players.
They have already bashed their way through the open bracket to get where they are beating players like strelok, killer, and grubby with relative ease. Nestea only dropped a set to Puma which is to be expected considering these tournaments are Puma's turf.

Mechanically, the only comparisons we really have between the two GSL titans and the rest of the opposition are other Code S players who will of course have the best mechanics in the world. This talk of MVP and Nestea is much ado about nothing imo
CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
August 16 2012 02:43 GMT
#17
Love the Beatles reference, intended or otherwise.

Nice to see an Australian fighting!
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
August 16 2012 02:46 GMT
#18
On August 16 2012 11:11 bropedo wrote:
Doesnt matter, Bombers takin it all

I can agree with that.
Group A: SortOf, forgg, inori
Group B: Violet, MVP, Nestea
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
August 16 2012 02:46 GMT
#19
Not sure if I would consider Inori less of a threat than SortOf. He's definitely a solid player, and probably has a good chance of making it out of the group.
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X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
August 16 2012 02:59 GMT
#20
Group A: 1. forgg 2. nerchio 3. puma 4. demuslim 5. inori 6. sortof
Group B: 1. violet 2. MVP 3. nestea 4. feast 5. kas 6. pig

is my predictions
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