If you want to see who beat who, and who made it through, head on over to Liquipedia for the full brackets. If you want to download replays, head over to the ESL site (spoiler free layout!). Here are some brief thoughts to wrap up the first day of Gamescom.
Nani?! NaNiwa eliminated?
After receiving a short term sponsorship from Mionix to compete at IEM Cologne, NaNiwa didn't exactly make the best case for receiving a contract extension after he crashed out of the tournament with consecutive losses to AureS and YongHwa.
Honestly, given NaNiwa's spotty record at foreign LANs in 2012, it's not the weirdest upset we've seen, but the extenuating circumstances around his exit were intriguing indeed. NaNiwa offered up the explanation that JYP interfered as he was playing his games against AureS, which IEM later clarified by explaining that JYP had come to say hi to NaNiwa, not knowing he was in an official tournament game. Of course, Stephano couldn't resist chipping in with his thoughts, which were, well, typical Stephano. JYP wasn't exactly pleased with being made a scapegoat, and had some choice words to add as well.
So, who are the winners and losers in this latest case of ESPORTS drama? (Besides me, since I'm obviously a loser for writing so much about it already).
Winner: NaNiwa Refrained from saying "Joke tournament," thus avoiding burning yet another bridge.
Loser: Stephano His trash talking was par for the course, but mostly served to remind us of how he dodged playing a showmatch with NaNiwa months ago.
No Change: IEM IEM's indistinguishable practice/official game area has been begging for this kind of problem for years now. However, can you really blame them for not preparing for the possibility of a Korean pro-gamer being outgoing, personable, and actively approaching foreigners?
Apparently there weren't any East German officials employed by IEM, as the open bracket seeding placed three of the home country's fan favorites, Socke, XlorD, and DarKFoRcE all in the same group... with NesTea and PuMa. After that, they threw in not-Chilean Killer and Strelok in for good measure. To absolutely no one's surprise, not a single German player managed to advance. With Delphi also getting eliminated from another open bracket group, that leaves just HasuObs to carry the banner for his country in the Ro24 groups.
However, it's too soon to lose hope. Together in a group with VortiX, SuperNova, KiLLeR, MC, and ReaL, HasuObs has a decent shot at making top three and progressing to the next round. The two players he drew from the open bracket were ReaL and MC, both of whom should be quite palatable opponents for HasuObs considering it's PvP. After that point, bracket luck will factor in heavily as to how far he can make it in the elimination tournament.
In addition, ReaL also made it through the open bracket by defeating LG-IM's YongHwa for a second place finish in his group. Real has been competing out of Germany for nearly a year now, which is longer than it took for American to claim viOLet and SeleCT as her adopted sons. Could anyone really blame Germany for doing the same with ReaL?
1st place advances to Ro8, 2nd and 3rd advance to Ro12
Though it's easy to look at the seven GSL championships over next door in group B, Group A stands out among all four group Ro24 groups as the one that's the hardest to predict. While it probably doesn't have the strongest player in the tournament, all six players are extremely skilled nonetheless with very little separating them. They're unlucky to be grouped together, but the viewers should count themselves fortunate to see a group where they can expect all the games to be close.
Elephant vs PuMa: The Original Elephant fOrGG has finally called it quits in Korea, forfeiting his Code A spot to look for more lucrative opportunities in Europe. After all the foreign money he's tasted during his hundreds (if not thousands) of hours of streaming, you can't blame him. He's already been a hit, taking third place in his debut at ASUS ROG Summer. That finish alone justifies his decision to leave Korea, with the third place prize of $4,000 already matching his GSL winnings so far.
What's more impressive is that he did it while trespassing all over PuMa's turf, uprooting trees and tearing up the dirt. In 2011, PuMa was the king of extracting money from international tournaments, and another Korean Terran with an affinity for 1/1/1s must have felt like an imminent threat to his domain. PuMa tried to make fOrGG fight for his cut, but he ended up getting soundly beaten, losing 1 – 3 and then 2 – 3 to get eliminated from ASUS ROG.
PuMa seems to have shrugged off that setback, coming into this group with a strong open bracket performance where he beat DarkForce, Killer, and Nestea in a row. It's time for round two between these two beastly Terrans, and their groupmates will have to take care not to be trampled underneath.
SortOf a big deal
Yes, I recycled that header.
Looking at their most recent results, SortOf and Nerchio are two of the players carrying the most foreign hopes for this tournament. Everyone will be familiar with Nerchio's championship run through HomeStoryCup V, where he beat MC and Yonghwa by a combined score of 7 – 2 to take first place. Though SortOf can't match that GSL champion toppling achievement, he has come out of nowhere to get some great results, taking 2nd place at WCS Sweden and making top eight at a Korean packed ASUS ROG Summer (MaNa was the only other non-Korean quarter-finalist). There might be more famous international names in this tournament, but you'll be hard pressed to find any that are doing better at this very moment.
There's less pressure on SortOf to get another good result here, since as mentioned above, he did come out of nowhere, and fans are still in the process of getting to know him. Even if he didn't advance, playing a few respectable games and dropping out against this array of strong players would enhance his reputation. However, if he gets out of the group, he'd be taking a giant hammer swing at the glass ceiling separating himself from the elites of the international scene.
This is an opportunity for Nerchio as well. He doesn't have to prove that he can 'do it again,' as foreigners love their heroes too much to force them to such lengths. Instead, this tournament is a chance to go even further, pushing out the Swedish trio of ThorZaIN, SaSe, and NaNiwa to put himself solidly in second place in the top foreigner debates. And from there, it's just another hop, skip, and jump away to Stephano vs Nerchio becoming new, primary rivalry of Starcraft II.
Do pro-gamers themselves actually care about this crap? Probably not. But it does happen to be splendidly entertaining as a fan.
And the rest
In a stacked group, DeMusliM and Inori would have to be reluctantly considered the least scary players by a narrow margin. However, anything could happen in this group, and it wouldn't be surprising at all to see either of them make the top three. That's all I can afford to type until EG or TSL send me a check.
1st place advances to Ro8, 2nd and 3rd advance to Ro12
Elephant in the Group
Sometimes, we at TL regret running the "Elephant in the room" jokes into the ground, since now it's hard to use them in any context other than KeSPA players. Now is such a time, since it's an expression that would be pretty appropriate for this group.
It would be great to talk about the return of Feast, IEM Season Six's break-out star, discuss WCS Australia champion PiG's chances outside of his small pond, muse on the implications of viOLet's Code S level skill that was cultivated outside Korea, or try to dispel Kas' undeserved reputation for being bad at LANs. It would be great, but not when there's seven Code S Championship's worth of players together in this group.
No one can deny that at this point in their careers, Mvp and Nestea are living off their reputations to some degree. Their mechanics are definitely worse compared to their newer colleagues, and the games from their earlier championship runs have not aged very well when you wander back for a another viewing.
However, it's very difficult to tell whether they've merely lost a bit of their exterior luster, or if there's been real, fundamental decline. Mvp seemed 100% done, stick-a-fork-in-him done as a champion as early as February this year, but he came roaring back with one of the greatest runs in Starcraft II history to to win Code S for a record-setting fourth time in May. On a lesser, but still impressive level, Nestea proved he still had that spark in him as he took third place at IPL4 in April. Class, as they say, is permanent.
Those high points contrast harshly with the lows, such as Mvp's trip to HSC V which is almost better being totally forgotten. Dropping games against, Ret, Naama, and Monchi ("who?" POINT MADE), Mvp looked absolutely terrible compared to his championship standard. Likewise, Nestea has also shown weakness in the past, dropping out of Winter Arena after losing to DeMuslim and NaNiwa.
Where do they stand now? Well, we can say this much: Mvp and Nestea would never have decided to play at this tournament if not for their obligation to LG at Gamescom. Sure, there's always a chance that they will do well, but it's the same chance any Code S level Korean has at an international tournament. Unless they are big favorites to win it all, like they were at any tournament during their primes in 2011, there's no reason for Mvp and Nestea to jet set around the world at the risk of damaging their reputations. They know where they are at their best (the GSL), and as pro-gamers, they're probably pretty damn good at risk-reward assessment.
Yet, here they are, waiting to see what this forced gamble might yield. A championship? A little bit more polish on an already shining reputation. Top four? Status quo will be kept, and they will have dodged a bullet. Any less? Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment.
lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
I hope the lesser players in Group B are up for the regicidal task ahead of them. There are more GSL championships between Nestea and MVP than there are players in the entire group.
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.
Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.
Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.
Thats because naniwa hasnt won any GSL championships while MVP and Nestea have 4 and 3 respectevely
On August 16 2012 10:33 Dodgin wrote: lol wax you're always so negative about nestea and mvp
I really doubt they care as much about their reputations as you seem to think, like not getting top 4 would be shameful or something.
I know you're purposely trying to sensationalize stuff but saying " Then LG may have to start thinking about how to better protect their investment. " is pretty dumb considering what IM has done since they got the LG sponsorship, I can't imagine they are unhappy with how things are going.
when all that is separating you from younger and fresher players is your name, it is so important to protect it.
So they should just not go to events because they might lose? Just because they are big names means they have to " protect " themselves and only play GSL? my opinion on both of them doesn't change no matter what happens here, nothing can re-write the history of their victories. If Mvp wins or if Nestea wins, or if they had both bombed out in the open bracket it doesn't matter.
Naniwa went 0-2 0-2 out of the open bracket, he's a big name. I don't see anyone claiming that Naniwa should stop going to events to protect his image.
Thats because naniwa hasnt won any GSL championships while MVP and Nestea have 4 and 3 respectevely
Okay fine I can accept that, but the core of my argument is not the last part.
So what you guys are suggesting is that they have to draw a line where they think " we are successful enough, now we have to protect our image and not go to foreign events where we might lose and look bad "
So I ask, protect their image for what purpose? They are the kings of GSL no matter what happens here, if they win they go home with a good experience and some more money, if they lose they go home with a good experience and not as much money as they would get for winning.
Does anyone really think any player in sc2 is invincible? Are people surprised when Mvp goes to a foreign event and doesn't win? Starcraft 2 is not at the point yet where the best player in the world wins every game, there will be upsets.
Clearly, Nestea and Mvp are not as dominant as they were last year, you can see that by looking at their games inside Korea. I still want to watch them play, even if they don't win or are not the favorites to win I hope they show up and compete to put on a good show for their fans. I'm sure people who attend the event are fucking ecstatic that they get to meet such legends as well.
To take that away for the purpose of preserving a sense of pride is ridiculous, and I refuse to believe that's the way they actually think. They are just guys enjoying their lives playing video games and traveling around the world.
LG should be happy because they made a deal with the best StarCraft 2 team. Can anyone deny that after 2 consecutive GSL championships, IPL TAC 3 victory, and the sheer depth of their lineup?
Mvp and NesTea don't give a fuck about all that stuff. They have sponsor obligations, they go to IEM. Once they're there, they play to win and either of them can easily be considered the favorite to win the whole tournament. They're champions, they're not scrubs who are scared of losing to the first no-name player around. Granted, Mvp has had some questionable losses, but that's not going to stop him from winning another GSL.
I have to disagree with a lot of what was written in this article.
Naniwa did not win in this situation. He came off as a whiner after losing to a no-name and a middling korean protoss by blaming a well liked JYP. I can't help but note the bias here since Wax's very argument for talking about how MVP was "done" was losing to a no-name player (monchi) but make absolutely no claim to Naniwa being "done" despite his similar losses and go so far as to call him a winner? In fact, he goes on to talk about Nestea's "showing weakness in the past" by losing to... Naniwa? Wat. And yet, his reputation is allegedly fine -> winner.
IEM is an important tournament for european fans but fans from NA and Korea don't care so much as to tarnish reputations based on results earned there. The only way for a reputation to be hurt in this case is if they seem legitimately outplayed by players that are supposedly much worse than them. There are very few results that indicate that any player in group B besides feast and violet are on a level with MVP or Nestea in terms of sheer ability. That's different than to say that there is room for upsets to occur but they would still be upsets even though the two Code S champions have not done amazingly well at these types of events historically. If there was a chance that pig or kas would manhandle the two Code S players, there would be room for speculation about the reputations of the two Code S players. They have already bashed their way through the open bracket to get where they are beating players like strelok, killer, and grubby with relative ease. Nestea only dropped a set to Puma which is to be expected considering these tournaments are Puma's turf.
Mechanically, the only comparisons we really have between the two GSL titans and the rest of the opposition are other Code S players who will of course have the best mechanics in the world. This talk of MVP and Nestea is much ado about nothing imo
Not sure if I would consider Inori less of a threat than SortOf. He's definitely a solid player, and probably has a good chance of making it out of the group.
On August 16 2012 12:32 Jampackedeon wrote: Wax, your article was confusing and not that entertaining (unusual). JYP advanced to the last round of the losers bracket, and Naniwa... lost. A lot.
So last laugh goes to... grubby! WTF is the top of your article about anyway?
On August 16 2012 09:42 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Here are some brief thoughts to wrap up the first day of Gamescom.
On August 16 2012 11:02 RynoSoren wrote: I get the feeling that NesTea sometimes chooses how well he does at a tournament. The farther away from the finals he is the worse he does.
You see, NesTea doesn't actually lose, he just provides the illusion of his defeat to make other people think they have a shot. It would take the interest out of SC2.
It's like Wax has something against Mvp. You mostly write only negative thing about him when he doesnt' really do that bad recently -_-". Saying he is living off his reputation is ridiculuos. Considering Taeja the player people are hyping as the best player in the world atm could get knocked out early in TSL4 even in his prime then I think it's fine for Mvp to not win the tournament.
On August 16 2012 13:18 Wildmoon wrote: It's like Wax has something against Mvp. You mostly write only negative thing about him when he doesnt' really do that bad recently -_-". Saying he is living off his reputation is ridiculuos. Considering Taeja the player people are hyping as the best player in the world atm could get knocked out early in TSL4 even in his prime then I think it's fine for Mvp to not win the tournament.
what do you mean could...Taeja did get knock out by First.
or I guess I just herp derped my English at this time of the day.
On August 16 2012 11:02 RynoSoren wrote: I get the feeling that NesTea sometimes chooses how well he does at a tournament. The farther away from the finals he is the worse he does.
You see, NesTea doesn't actually lose, he just provides the illusion of his defeat to make other people think they have a shot. It would take the interest out of SC2.
Exactly. People don't see the business side of eSports. Who the hell would sponsor it if it was just won by one guy again and again and again? It's just not fair.
That said NesTea will have to do better than obviously throwing a won game vs. Killer (in game 2) to make us think that he's mortal.
On August 16 2012 13:43 VariousTence wrote: Well, it seems wrong cuz MVP just crushed Grubby / Targa who destoyed Oz and Ace out of this tournament.
I don't want to be That Guy, but Grubby and Targa were doing well vP ... so unless Mvp suddenly race-switched to Protoss for this tournament, what does Mvp beating them have to do with anything?
On August 16 2012 13:43 VariousTence wrote: Well, it seems wrong cuz MVP just crushed Grubby / Targa who destoyed Oz and Ace out of this tournament.
I don't want to be That Guy, but Grubby and Targa were doing well vP ... so unless Mvp suddenly race-switched to Protoss for this tournament, what does Mvp beating them have to do with anything?
Also MVP didn't really crush TargA, except game 3 after the barely failed all in.
Lol those tweets about nani losing because jyp was touching him are hilarious; he kept mentioning 10 seconds for some odd reason, like he was timing it or something bahahahhaaha.
Isn't it easier to just say MVP and NesTea are good players? Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Even this year, they have done more than most players will ever manage in their careers, when you think about it. I think this writeup is needlessly sensationalist, regarding both their ups and downs. Everyone can lose, it's actually very easy, but only few people can properly win.
And I seriously doubt LG would be worried about their sponsorship if they went out in a single tournament early, after winning GSL twice in a row.
JYP obviously erred but was still only had the intent of greeting nani. Unless that happened at a crucial moment like a battle I really doubt it changed the outcome, bad excuse nani.
Waxangel i must say there is nothing better than sitting on a train to the venue with some good music on and reading your preview, the hipe just comes and comes
It will be a tough One for nestea considering how often he "underperformed" but ill look forward to him raping shit
On August 16 2012 11:38 VictorJones wrote: I have to disagree with a lot of what was written in this article.
Naniwa did not win in this situation. He came off as a whiner after losing to a no-name and a middling korean protoss
Nope. YongHwa is one of the best protosses in Korea, and one of the biggest public criticisms of the Code B qualification systems is that he hasn't been able to get through.
"No one can deny that at this point in their careers, Mvp and Nestea are living off their reputations to some degree. Their mechanics are definitely worse compared to their newer colleagues, and the games from their earlier championship runs have not aged very well when you wander back for a another viewing. "
Didnt we all agree that you cannot shit on mvp after winning a gsl with no wrists <.<
On August 16 2012 15:08 Kasaraki wrote: Isn't it easier to just say MVP and NesTea are good players? Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Even this year, they have done more than most players will ever manage in their careers, when you think about it. I think this writeup is needlessly sensationalist, regarding both their ups and downs. Everyone can lose, it's actually very easy, but only few people can properly win.
And I seriously doubt LG would be worried about their sponsorship if they went out in a single tournament early, after winning GSL twice in a row.
People are so short on memory that Mvp just won GSL not so long ago. When most of the hyped players right now don't even come close to winning GSL.
OMG, MVP without wrist problems has very good mechanics and would crush every other terran easily and dont forget how many builds and experience this guy has
On August 16 2012 15:08 Kasaraki wrote: Isn't it easier to just say MVP and NesTea are good players? Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Even this year, they have done more than most players will ever manage in their careers, when you think about it. I think this writeup is needlessly sensationalist, regarding both their ups and downs. Everyone can lose, it's actually very easy, but only few people can properly win.
And I seriously doubt LG would be worried about their sponsorship if they went out in a single tournament early, after winning GSL twice in a row.
People are so short on memory that Mvp just won GSL not so long ago. When most of the hyped players right now don't even come close to winning GSL.
Yeah, isn't that the truth. And NesTea having a third place at IPL4 and Iron Squid, as well as staying in Code S every season. I think that might easily make him a top 10 player for this year alone? Something like that at least. Maybe top 15 if you want to be conservative.
Winner: NaNiwa Refrained from saying "Joke tournament," thus avoiding burning yet another bridge.
Loser: Stephano His trash talking was par for the course, but mostly served to remind us of how he dodged playing a showmatch with NaNiwa months ago.
LOL .
looser : naniwa. just loose to player against whom he's expected to win.
golden Troll award : stephano.
month ago or now, a showmatch between stephano and naniwa is just a big joke, naniwa dodge as much as stephano, best MU for stephano, worste MU for naniwa. it was not even close !
group "favorite" IMO : (favorite don't always win, but it's how i feel they are from recent result / stream) A : ForGG / Nerchio / SortOf B : MVP / Violet / Feast C : Bomber / Grubby / slivko D : MC / Real / vortix
now ; I'm more than disapointed by lot of small thing in this event.
in no order at all :
- Tasteless seams "off", Like he seams off in lot of event recently. It looks like he doesnt enjoy what he 's doing anymore, it looks like he don't know the game anymore, or the player. Artosis do the job, pro as usual, but tired.
- Other game presentation inbetween matches... ok, it's gamescon... why not after all. (but at least hire people who know what to do in front of a crowd.)
- not enough set are casted.... even wihtout commentary, i'd like to see some match live... every other event have multiple stream why not here?
I still don't get what TL authors have against MVP. For being the #1 or #2 most successful SC2 player in history and demonstrating it both today and 3 months ago by winning a GSL both while being severely injured, he sure doesn't get any credit in these articles. I mean it is almost insulting to him for you to claim "his mechanics have fallen behind". Just say "he is injured, so there is a question mark about which MVP is going to show up", and then you avoid insulting the skill level of one of the best, and you still convey your point of doubt.
On August 17 2012 04:40 ritoky wrote: I still don't get what TL authors have against MVP. For being the #1 or #2 most successful SC2 player in history and demonstrating it both today and 3 months ago by winning a GSL both while being severely injured, he sure doesn't get any credit in these articles. I mean it is almost insulting to him for you to claim "his mechanics have fallen behind". Just say "he is injured, so there is a question mark about which MVP is going to show up", and then you avoid insulting the skill level of one of the best, and you still convey your point of doubt.
Kas surprised me, I was thinking Feast could do it, he play very very close game, but was a little under the other each time. next time maybe. Tomorrow's group should be fine.
On August 16 2012 21:56 zedrOne wrote: group "favorite" IMO : (favorite don't always win, but it's how i feel they are from recent result / stream) A : ForGG / Nerchio / SortOf B : MVP / Violet / Feast C : Bomber / Grubby / slivko D : MC / Real / vortix
now ; I'm more than disapointed by lot of small thing in this event.
in no order at all :
- Tasteless seams "off", Like he seams off in lot of event recently. It looks like he doesnt enjoy what he 's doing anymore, it looks like he don't know the game anymore, or the player. Artosis do the job, pro as usual, but tired.
- Other game presentation inbetween matches... ok, it's gamescon... why not after all. (but at least hire people who know what to do in front of a crowd.)
- not enough set are casted.... even wihtout commentary, i'd like to see some match live... every other event have multiple stream why not here?
Tasteless always casts like that he's fine, it seems like you barely watch Starcraft, you just don't lose your "Starcraft knowledge"
Not every match can be covered due to how many there are, if you want you can watch the other streams in another language which is the only way you can see the different matches other then the main stream.
On August 16 2012 21:56 zedrOne wrote: group "favorite" IMO : (favorite don't always win, but it's how i feel they are from recent result / stream) A : ForGG / Nerchio / SortOf B : MVP / Violet / Feast C : Bomber / Grubby / slivko D : MC / Real / vortix
now ; I'm more than disapointed by lot of small thing in this event.
in no order at all :
- Tasteless seams "off", Like he seams off in lot of event recently. It looks like he doesnt enjoy what he 's doing anymore, it looks like he don't know the game anymore, or the player. Artosis do the job, pro as usual, but tired.
- Other game presentation inbetween matches... ok, it's gamescon... why not after all. (but at least hire people who know what to do in front of a crowd.)
- not enough set are casted.... even wihtout commentary, i'd like to see some match live... every other event have multiple stream why not here?
Tasteless always casts like that he's fine, it seems like you barely watch Starcraft, you just don't lose your "Starcraft knowledge"
Not every match can be covered due to how many there are, if you want you can watch the other streams in another language which is the only way you can see the different matches other then the main stream.
On August 16 2012 21:56 zedrOne wrote: group "favorite" IMO : (favorite don't always win, but it's how i feel they are from recent result / stream) A : ForGG / Nerchio / SortOf B : MVP / Violet / Feast C : Bomber / Grubby / slivko D : MC / Real / vortix
now ; I'm more than disapointed by lot of small thing in this event.
in no order at all :
- Tasteless seams "off", Like he seams off in lot of event recently. It looks like he doesnt enjoy what he 's doing anymore, it looks like he don't know the game anymore, or the player. Artosis do the job, pro as usual, but tired.
- Other game presentation inbetween matches... ok, it's gamescon... why not after all. (but at least hire people who know what to do in front of a crowd.)
- not enough set are casted.... even wihtout commentary, i'd like to see some match live... every other event have multiple stream why not here?
Tasteless always casts like that he's fine, it seems like you barely watch Starcraft, you just don't lose your "Starcraft knowledge"
Not every match can be covered due to how many there are, if you want you can watch the other streams in another language which is the only way you can see the different matches other then the main stream.
Maybe Tasteless lost his passion?
Why is it that the phrase "lost his passion" comes up so much now ever since Jinro retired. Crank leaves SlayerS? Oh, he must've lost his passion with KR team. BoxeR goes back to SKT1? He must've lost his passion in SlayerS. HuK performing badly? Must've lost his passion. HerO doing poorly? Must've lost his passion. Please...
On August 16 2012 21:56 zedrOne wrote: group "favorite" IMO : (favorite don't always win, but it's how i feel they are from recent result / stream) A : ForGG / Nerchio / SortOf B : MVP / Violet / Feast C : Bomber / Grubby / slivko D : MC / Real / vortix
now ; I'm more than disapointed by lot of small thing in this event.
in no order at all :
- Tasteless seams "off", Like he seams off in lot of event recently. It looks like he doesnt enjoy what he 's doing anymore, it looks like he don't know the game anymore, or the player. Artosis do the job, pro as usual, but tired.
- Other game presentation inbetween matches... ok, it's gamescon... why not after all. (but at least hire people who know what to do in front of a crowd.)
- not enough set are casted.... even wihtout commentary, i'd like to see some match live... every other event have multiple stream why not here?
Tasteless always casts like that he's fine, it seems like you barely watch Starcraft, you just don't lose your "Starcraft knowledge"
Not every match can be covered due to how many there are, if you want you can watch the other streams in another language which is the only way you can see the different matches other then the main stream.
Maybe Tasteless lost his passion?
Why is it that the phrase "lost his passion" comes up so much now ever since Jinro retired. Crank leaves SlayerS? Oh, he must've lost his passion with KR team. BoxeR goes back to SKT1? He must've lost his passion in SlayerS. HuK performing badly? Must've lost his passion. HerO doing poorly? Must've lost his passion. Please...
EPT
WW.SortOf, 
TSL_inori, 
EG.DeMusliM, 
