EPTROG: The Case for Polt - Page 5
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FidoDido
United States1292 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:50 Vul wrote: This is wrong and should definitely be changed, the only S class players that Polt faced were Taeja and Lucky. HerO and Stephano have never been in Code S. Edit: Calling HerO S class because he's almost at Code S is arguable I suppose, but Stephano, a non-GSL player, shouldn't be called S Class unless it means absolutely nothing at all to call someone S class. Every player Polt faced on his road to the finals is either one round away from qualifying for Code S and/or has shown himself capable of beating Code S players. S class has nothing to do with Code S anyway. | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:59 CosmicSpiral wrote: Every player Polt faced on his road to the finals is either one round away from qualifying for Code S and/or has shown himself capable of beating Code S players. S class has nothing to do with Code S anyway, so please stop embarrassing yourself when you criticize other people. Okay, I'm not sure if you totally understand what S Class means either. It doesn't come from SC2, it comes from BW. Players like Flash, Jaedong, etc. are considered S Class because they are the best of the best--players that do well at the highest levels of competition. It's hard to say exactly what S class is. You don't have to be Jaedong to be S-Class, but you need to be competitive with Jaedong. S Class has always meant "among the best" essentially, as far as I've understood it. Now, SC2 is a newer game and the scene is much more diverse because of international tournaments. But it's safe to say that if you haven't even been in Code S yet, you're not S class in SC2. You might be a good player, but people never used to call "good" players S-class. That was always reserved for people with consistent results in the MSL and OSL, even if they never won it. edit: The other thing is that according to your definition pretty much everyone is S-Class. If I sixpooled MVP and somehow won, according to your definition I would be S-Class. | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 27 2012 22:38 Asha` wrote: This feels like a blog masquerading as news =p I guess it is like an editorial. I think Polt deserves a seed, but I fear that a lot of members in the community are over reliant on community opinion leaders. They might blindly read and agree, thus adversely affecting the overall discussion on a very important issue (though we don't technically have control over the recipient of the seeds). I think this would have been better if it were part of the larger article discussing seeds. | ||
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AnachronisticAnarchy
United States2957 Posts
Makes sense, though. No one, and I mean no one, can reasonably deny that Polt is now one of the very best in the world. Heck, all you need to do is compare Stephano's results against Puma versus his results againt Polt. Also, I'm tired of feeling like I got stabbed in the gut everytime some foreigner goes to the GSL and gets systematically dismantled. I want to maintain my delusion that the foreigner scene can at least compare to the Korean scene. I don't, and won't, buy tickets to see some foreigner lose. Sure, maybe a foreigner will come out fighting and maybe leave the group stage or something, but with that attitude, I would be much better off buying lottery tickets. | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:11 Vul wrote: Okay, I'm not sure if you totally understand what S Class means either. It doesn't come from SC2, it comes from BW. Players like Flash, Jaedong, etc. are considered S Class because they are the best of the best--players that do well at the highest levels of competition. It's hard to say exactly what S class is. You don't have to be Jaedong to be S-Class, but you need to be competitive with Jaedong. S Class has always meant "among the best" essentially, as far as I've understood it. Now, SC2 is a newer game and the scene is much more diverse because of international tournaments. But it's safe to say that if you haven't even been in Code S yet, you're not S class in SC2. You might be a good player, but people never used to call "good" players S-class. That was always reserved for people with consistent results in the MSL and OSL, even if they never won it. edit: The other thing is that according to your definition pretty much everyone is S-Class. If I sixpooled MVP and somehow won, according to your definition I would be S-Class. Your explanation of S Class is wrong. It's not "players like Flash and Jaedong" who are considered S-Class, it is literally Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork. Players from Best to Baby to Last are doing quite well at the highest level of competition, but no one considers them to be S-Class right now. Even Fantasy never really earned that prestige because he is considered too flaky. The only player who was possibly S Class in SC2 was MvP and that was during a very specific time period (end of December to GSL March group stages). It was far too short to earn the name. Being in Code S doesn't even mean that much in terms of separating talent. Before the complaint was that the old system kept middling players in Code S for too long; now people complain that the path can be too easy and random. "Showing yourself capable of beating Code S players" is a consistent trait, not an outlier. If you bothered to read the snippet you quoted, you'd realize that the OP says "Code S class opponents" and not "S-Class opponents". So you are complaining about a completely irrelevant topic for the sake of complaining. | ||
Waxangel
United States33503 Posts
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dragonborn
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On February 28 2012 11:36 CosmicSpiral wrote: Your explanation of S Class is wrong. It's not "players like Flash and Jaedong" who are considered S-Class, it is literally Flash, Jaedong, Bisu, and Stork. Players from Best to Baby to Last are doing quite well at the highest level of competition, but no one considers them to be S-Class right now. Even Fantasy never really earned that prestige because he is considered too flaky. The only player who was possibly S Class in SC2 was MvP and that was during a very specific time period (end of December to GSL March group stages). It was far too short to earn the name. Being in Code S doesn't even mean that much in terms of separating talent. Before the complaint was that the old system kept middling players in Code S for too long; now people complain that the path can be too easy and random. "Showing yourself capable of beating Code S players" is a consistent trait, not an outlier. If you bothered to read the snippet you quoted, you'd realize that the OP says "Code S class opponents" and not "S-Class opponents". So you are complaining about a completely irrelevant topic for the sake of complaining. Haha, you're right I did misread it as S class. I think it's because people often say Code S but not Code S Class so I made that mistake. But no, you're wrong about me complaining just for the sake of complaining. If you follow the argument in the OP, you'll see why I brought up my complaint. I thought that the description of the strength of Polt's opponents is too exaggerated. Since the OP is about Polt being seeded directly into Code S based on the strength of the Assmebly victory, you can see why it's relevant to challenge that kind of description of his opponents. Like I said, I misread it as S class and not code S class. There is a big different between beating two S class players and four S class players in one tournament. But if we're talking about Code S level players and not S class players, even then I'm really doubtful that Stephano could get past the first round of Code S even if he tried multiple times. I know that Stephano has beaten Code S players, but never in the Code S format. My overall opinion is that they should limit the amount of invitational seeds in general and especially to Code S. I'm not sure that a tournament like Assembly, or some of the IEM events (Waxangel mentions this in his article) are really difficult enough to warrant letting someone into Code S (Code A is more reasonable to me). | ||
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JuiceBoxHero
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RaiKageRyu
Canada4773 Posts
I am actually very surprised TL allowed Fionn, the #1 Polt, to write a plea for Polt for Code S instead of having an actual normal review of the tournament. Loved reading it regardless.  | ||
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Janders
Mexico222 Posts
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citi.zen
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shanelevy
United States23 Posts
I do hope Polt gets the seed, for the simple fact that if it is instead given to, say, HuK, I think HuK would get knocked out in the first round. Stephano won't take it, and Naniwa, while potentially Code S caliber, hasn't had the recent results to warrant a seed nor have his past results in the GSL been strong. | ||
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sooohawt
United States22 Posts
On February 27 2012 23:33 Hallayz wrote: Polt should definetly get a Code S seed after his performance in Assembly. Because of his performance at Assembly, no. Because he's an amazing player better than the other possible candidates, yes. | ||
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Sumahi
Guam5609 Posts
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TemujinGK
United States483 Posts
On February 27 2012 19:44 Fionn wrote: Him deserving it. He should acquire it as well, though. I'm pretty uncomfortable about foreigners or koreans getting Code S seeds through foreign tournaments. I think that Korean tournaments shouldn't be as integrated because it perpetuates the superiority of all that is korea. Maybe that is good or bad, but I think it discourages foreign growth for individual players and the scene. | ||
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
But I would like to see new blood in code S as well, maybe Ret or Stephano? | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On February 28 2012 10:56 FidoDido wrote: Idra will probably be seeded again into code S.. Mr.Chae has said before, his favorite player is IdrA (he said it either at the charades show with tastosis or the pre-game shows this season, memory fuzzy) Idra will not be seeded into Code S. GSL will not make a mockery of its own tournament. The guy went 0-3 in matches and has not had any notable tournament success in months. Just because Mr. Chae likes him is not enough. | ||
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chowZilla
Canada57 Posts
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