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HomeStory Cup IV - Smaller is Better

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HomeStory Cup IV - Smaller is Better

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January 12th, 2012 22:16 GMT

Smaller is Better

by: confusedcrib

HomeStory Cup is my favorite weekend tournament. That's not an uncommon opinion, even with so many great options out there. Europeans tend to rally behind Dreamhack, and Americans around MLG, but HomeStory Cup is a tournament that everyone loves. It's not just the spectators, it's the players too. HomeStory Cup had barely any negativity going into or coming out of it; it was a tournament that almost unanimously generated positive feelings.

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Smaller is Better

Review Podcast with aTnClouD

Downstairs: HSC at Limmerick's Irish Pub

Memorable Moments

Winners and Losers of HomeStory Cup
From an online viewer's standpoint, HomeStory Cup provided great stream quality, and most importantly, an amazing opportunity to get closer to the players. A lot of people will tell you that the biggest thing they took away from Homestory Cup was their enjoyment of MarineKing and MC's casting. The fact of the matter is that fans can't get enough of their favorite players; whether they are talking about game balance, other players, or their personal lives. I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can.

If other tournaments provided half as much player focused content as HomeStory did, it would go a long way to filling fans' desires for more of anything pro-gamer related. Moments like Moman trolling through the window, MC's jaw-dropping dancing ability, and Destiny talking poker are things that we could never see at any other tournament. Content like that helps everyone. Us fans fill our stalker-like needs, players get more fans, and the tournaments get those extra fans as viewers.

From what I read in Pholon's blog, and the video I saw streamed from the bar downstairs, the 'live' experience seemed absolutely amazing. The fans got to watch from the comfort of a local bar, enjoying great food and great Starcraft. Better yet, the pro-gamers would come downstairs to mingle and party with the fans as well. For its small audience, it sounds like HomeStory has figured out how to give them the perfect experience by holding a kind of ultimate Barcraft. From the rave reviews Barcrafts around the world are getting, I'm sure other tournaments are aware of the great tournament viewing experience Barcraft provides. Maybe it's time for other tournaments to start trying to incorporate certain aspects seen at HSC. HSC has the advantage of having a truly tiny crowd compared to other major tournaments, but it doesn't mean there isn't room for some innovation. IPL3 already managed to serve beer inside the venue, and I assume that went over very well with the fans. What if we promise to stop harassing pro-gamers on the way to the bathroom, and you give us a more interesting way to interact with them than a 20 minute signing session?

On that note, HomeStory offered what looked like the best environment possible for the players. There seemed to be no logistical worries on the player's side, or swarming fans adding stress at undesired moments. The players got to relax or train as much as they wanted, and could head downstairs to get bombarded by a ton of eager fans if they felt the desire. MLG in particular, could learn a lesson about giving players their space. It ensures both that a fan's experiences with a player are always positive, and that players are always performing at their highest level. (Of course, all that could just be a carefully constructed illusion by the production crew. There might have been all sorts of illicit activities going on behind the scenes to keep everyone smiling. Seriously Moman, you looked really really happy.)

I think that if the almost unanimous love for HomeStory Cup says anything, it is that Starcraft 2 fans love the feel of a small tournament. While larger tournaments like MLG and Dreamhack shouldn't make their tournaments smaller, that doesn't mean that they can't feel smaller. E-sports fans want to feel like they're really a part of something, not just onlookers at a spectacle, separated by an invisible wall. When it comes to Starcraft 2 tournaments, smaller is better; learn from HomeStory Cup, it's the best bang-for-the-buck tournament out there.





Though HomeStory Cup is over, we just couldn't get enough of what the players had to say. Given the opportunity to speak their minds to the masses, the players both entertained and dropped some serious knowledge. Also, compared to the typical political correctness that most organizers and casters are bound to, the raw honest of the players was a refreshing treat.

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Though many players were stars at HomeStory Cup, but we decided to bring on Italy's champion and Goody's arch-nemesis in Carlo "ClouD" Giannacco of team Alternate Attax. As you should know from that time he called out organizers about late prize payouts to players, ClouD's not afraid to speak his mind.

We talked to ClouD about a variety of topics, including his experience as a player and caster at HomeStory Cup, the Korea-World divide, the fairness of caster/player pay, and the love/hate relationship with Starcraft II for ex-Brood War pros. Needless to say, it was quite interesting and entertaining.

Recorded on January 11th, 2012















Downstairs

by: Pholon



Take's place with the pub below it

...and on the inside


Driving into the near-derelict streets of Krefeld town wasn't the most appealing of experiences; the buildings are looming and industrial, while the city's center was nearly deserted on the Saturday night we spent there. The "Limericks" pub makes up for it though. The hostess is warm, the waitresses friendly, and strings of holiday lights illuminate faded Irish newspapers & placards lining the walls, giving the place a cozy feeling long into the night. The food is excellent, shamrocks are drawn in the head of every pint of Guinness, and the Irish coffee is superb.



MKP and MC being interviewed by German documentary makers.


The view from below


When we arrived, it was clear that things were progressing so well that we might be physically unable to fit through the door. The place was packed to the rafters, with the atmosphere that only a crowded pub at the height of an event can bring. As we squeezed our way to the bar, it was clear that everyone was friendly and in a good mood, with talk of Starcraft on everyone's lips.

The gamers and casters started trickling down into the street just as the Goody vs Cloud series began (coincidence?) to hang out, sign some posters and take some pictures. As the tournament ran deeper into the night, the bar quieted down, downstairs excursions from the pros became more and more commonplace (as did their inebriation), and as the playday drew to a close TaKe took crew and the SC fans all to a club for some afterpartying.


Sunday morning we met the ever friendly, ever busy Take. He made it obvious that he was having a good time and appreciated the effort from the fans to make it out there. Sunday was remarkably quiet by comparison. The pub's attendance had dwindled down to perhaps two thirds of what it had been the previous day, but the new found room to move and breathe was a welcome change of pace. As is often noted during European tournaments, there was a distinct lack of cheerfuls (which we promptly remedied). I wonder when events are going to start handing out blanks and markers...

The highlight of the live experience was Dimaga's series against JYP. The Ukrainian Zerg entered the series as the last foreign hope who has spent a good part of the last three days with his fans. Rallied by his doppelganger Carmac’s zealous cheers, the crowd moved as one in support of their drinking buddy.


DIMAGAAAAA

The series was nothing short of awesome. With everyone rooted to the floor and all eyes nailed to the screen, the tension in the room was even more suffocating than the throng of fans from the other night. The series held the crowd in awe for what felt like several hours but, after some nerve-wracking moments, Dimaga tapped out 1-3. Carmac loped upstairs to fetch Dima, who received a standing ovation for his efforts. He lost the game, but he won our hearts.

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With the last foreigner out, people started to leave and things quieted down considerably. With a 3.5 hour drive ahead of us on a Sunday night, we left after the first semifinal. Damn you real life, why can't you accommodate yourself to ESPORTS?

The venue was nothing short of phenomenal, the crowd was amazing, and the games were spectacular. What can I say? I'm looking forward to HSC5 already.




Pictures by the amazing Jeroen "Weiman" Weimar. Much love <3






"Progamers <3 Liquipedia" thanks to Squavelon and BronzeBas





Memorable Moments from HSC4

by: whatthefat



Though the antics from the broadcast couch might have been the easiest thing to notice HomeStory Cup IV, the tournament provided exciting games worthy of the excellent players assembled to compete. Here are three memorable games from the tournament that caught our attention for one reason or another.


Dimaga vs. DarKFoRcE, Round of 16, Game 1, Metalopolis.

One of the games of the tournament would have to be the round of 16 clash between Dimaga and DarKFoRcE. With both players badly needing to win the best of 3 to progress, the first game saw fireworks go off. Both players expanded early, sticking with a ling/bane composition. Off-stream, DarKFoRcE took an early lead, after getting into Dimaga's main and killing 14 workers.

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The mobile army of DarKFoRcE allowed him to continue droning up and take an early third, while Dimaga teched to roaches and tried to consolidate his position. When DarKFoRcE destroyed Dimaga's just completed third with zerglings, Dimaga's position seemed hopeless.

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Seeing a wall of 6 spine crawlers at DarKFoRcE's natural and no roaches on the field, Dimaga correctly reasoned that DarKFoRcE was teching to mutas. And it was here that Dimaga hatched an inspired plan. Realizing he was too far behind to continue into a macro game, he gave up all hope of taking a third, and instead devoted his efforts to mustering up the scariest possible two-base army. This was not a remarkable decision in itself; what made it remarkable was the composition he decided to employ. First, he used his gas to get infestors rather than hydras. He then sunk his minerals into constant queen production, with any remaining resources going into roaches and upgrades.

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It was a bizarre and incredible sight to see Dimaga's army slow march down the map, planting creep tumors as it went. At this point, most viewers had their heads tilted on a slight angle and were struggling to imagine just how this fight was going to play out.

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Expecting a standard hydra/roach composition, DarKFoRcE had made banelings. But they had no suitable targets in Dimaga's army, and were completely nullified by fungal growth.

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What had looked like a dead-lost position for Dimaga just minutes ago turned into a complete rout of DarKFoRcE's ill-prepared army. With transfuses whooshing away, the queens quickly melted the mutalisk resistance.

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With queens now forming an Occupy DarKFoRcE's Main movement, DarKFoRcE had little choice but to gg. It was an unbelievable situation, and the feed went justifiably crazy. Would a base trade have been a better option for DarKFoRcE? Maybe. Should he have changed his composition to roaches once he had such a comfortable lead? Probably. But it didn't change how impressive Dimaga's turnaround was.

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Dimaga vs. JYP, Round of 8, Game 1, Dual Sight.

Being one of the only two foreigners left standing in the round of 8, Dimaga looked like he might be the hero of the tournament. Unfortunately, it was not to be. Having looked powerful and inspired on day 3, Dimaga's play against JYP was frankly inscrutable. Time and again, he seemed to build towards killer blows... that were never delivered.

Of all the games in the series, the first was the most bizarre. It was in fact so bizarre, that despite it being only January, I am confident in declaring it one of the most bizarre games of 2012.

First off, Dimaga decided that the incredible death ball with which he defeated DarKFoRcE was so much fun that it was worth repeating in a ZvP. So he built queens. Lots of them.

This had the added benefit of refuting JYP's stargate play, but I'm pretty sure Dimaga had his heart set on mass queens no matter what JYP was doing.

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Soon enough, the insane creep spread had reached JYP's base, and Dimaga, now maxed, began his slow and steady march across the map. Unfortunately for Dimaga, queens are unable to crush forcefields (Blizzard patch please), and JYP was able to stand his ground at the third base.

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When the dust settled, JYP was left with the stronger army, but Dimaga looked comfortable on 4 bases. Here, Dimaga made the decision in pumping out infestors and corruptors as defense while he teched to brood lords, since JYP was already on double robo, and a rather frightening stalker/colossus ball was beginning to coalesce.

At this point, JYP got a little over eager in his tumor hunting, and a major engagement occurred.

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Both sides took heavy losses, but JYP's remaining forces were enough to destroy Dimaga's fourth while he waited for the brood lords to hatch.

The tables had now turned, with JYP taking the economic advantage of four bases to three, and Dimaga holding the scarier army. A poorly judged blink resulted in JYP's army evaporating, and suddenly Dimaga led in supply 170-100.

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JYP managed to buy some vital seconds with DT harassment, but it was quickly dealt with, and Dimaga, now maxed was ready to pull the trigger and crush JYP. But he didn't. He just sat there.

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This passivity in response to light harassment was to become a theme throughout the series, and spelled Dimaga's ultimate downfall. In this instance, it allowed JYP to take the one chance he had left...

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A Mothership.

After a phase of heavy maneuvering, JYP forced an encounter, and successfully archon toileted most of the brood lords.

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For his part, Dimaga managed to destroy the colossi and void rays, leaving JYP with a purely stalker force. With Dimaga pumping out 13 infestors, neither side was able to engage in the short term.

At this point, the game entered what I shall call the rope-a-dope phase. Dimaga - once vortexed, twice shy - decided to turtle. And I mean really turtle. Sitting in the bottom corner at his last mining base, he built a quadrillion spine crawlers, massed a ludicrous number of infestors and brood lords, and then he just sat there. For 20 minutes.

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JYP poked from time to time, looking for a good angle to engage, but Dimaga just continued lying against the ropes. With the map almost completely mined out, the game became equal parts fascinating and boring. As the commentators aptly stated: "I'm not sure how Dima's gonna win this game. I'm not sure how he's gonna lose either."

Eventually, JYP slipped up, allowing his void rays to become separated from the rest of his army, and Dimaga pounced.

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JYP was forced to engage in an unfavorable position, and Dimaga, through brilliance or dumb luck, was able to deliver the long awaited knock out blow.


MC vs. JYP, Semi Final, Games 5 and 6, Metalopolis.

The Protoss President and EG's latest acquisition took the second Semi Final down to the absolute wire. With the best of 5 tied up at 2-2, everything came down to this game on Metalopolis.

Spawning close by air, JYP opted for a 1 gate robo, going up to 3 gates, while MC opened with his trusty 4 gate. By forcefielding the ramp and picking off the zealot that would be used for vision, JYP was able to hold MC's assault until his immortal arrived, and MC was forced to waddle his stalkers home and start his own robo.

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Seemingly far ahead, JYP made the interesting decision to go for robo bay and colossus, while MC threw down a twilight council for blink. Crucially, MC also made a warp prism to open counterattacking options.

With a colossus out, JYP threw caution to the wind, and charged towards MC's base, even bringing most of his probes.

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MC recognized that he had zero chance in a straight up fight, and so immediately blinked outside his base to begin a base trade. He also had the presence of mind to pick up 8 probes in the warp prism; but not the presence of mind to make them return their resources to the Nexus first, leaving him stuck at 390 minerals.

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With both players' bases in pieces, and neither with enough minerals to build a new Nexus, we had a crazy game in front of us. MC had the more mobile army, and slightly higher resource count, whereas JYP had the stronger army in a straight up fight.

At this point, MC offered a draw, to which JYP responded "wait". As both players started to look for a solution, JYP managed to catch MC's warp prism drop, while MC caught JYP's colossus out of position.

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JYP managed to build a new assimilator just as his last building was destroyed, and the two players continued in their valiant attempt to give iNcontroL a heart attack.

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Finally, with JYP left needing to defend his final assimilator, both players agreed to a draw.

The rematch on Metalopolis had the players spawning in cross positions. Both players opted for a 2 gate robo into twilight council. MC went for almost pure stalkers and delayed his blink while he went up to 4 gateways, whereas JYP built a single immortal and got slightly earlier blink while staying on 3 gateways.

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Now in one of those goddawful PvP positions where daring to go beyond one base seems like suicide, MC boldly planted a Nexus.

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On spotting this heresy, JYP instantly started towards MC's base. With a necessarily smaller army, MC would need to use every ounce of his considerable talent to survive.

JYP blinked his stalkers into the main, but on seeing MC's immortal decided to blink his way back out.

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Here began a complex micro battle. MC managed to trap JYP's immortal with some extremely cute forcefields, while JYP forcefielded the ramp to prevent MC's army from defending his newly completed Nexus.

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MC was having none of it, and blinked his stalkers onto the low ground to flank JYP's army. With JYP's stalkers wasting valuable shots on the Nexus, MC crushed through to take the series 3-2.

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Showing his class, MC had achieved a spot in the Final. And he sure as hell didn't waste it.





Winners and Losers of HomeStory Cup

by: WaxAngel


In the spirit of HomeStory Cup, this winner and loser ranking will take into account both in-game and out of game performances. Also in the spirit of HomeStory Cup, it will be unprofessionally irreverent in certain parts.


Big Time Winners:

Grubby: At HSC4, Grubby got to show over fifty thousand Starcraft II fans that he's a top tier commentator. Not only was the Warcraft III legend a natural on the mic, but he demonstrated a deep understanding of the game that we rarely ever get from the current bunch of 'top tier' casters. If he wanted to switch to being a caster (a career decision EG.HuK might endorse if he were Grubby's manager), I'm sure this kind of impressive performance would convert to a future value of more than the $7,500 first place prize at HSC4. I kind of wish he would, too, so the current batch of casters would be forced to up their performances.

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On the other side of things, Grubby had some good in-game performances as well. Though he's already had bigger success in smaller tournaments (notably, the one he organized himself), this was his first good showing in a major tournament with a massive viewership.

With HSC4, Grubby further increased his status with the hardcore fans familiar with him from the War3 scene, and won over a ton of new fans to whom Starcraft II is their first ESPORT. The winner among winners.

Cloud: Cloud also killed it on the mic, just not on Grubby's "I'm applying for your f***ing job, Artosis" level. With a perfect mixture of casual storytelling, in-game analysis, and friendly ribbing, Cloud was probably the caster most in tune with the overall atmosphere at HomeStory Cup. In a tournament where any foreigner was lucky to improve his reputation a pure Starcraft player, his RO16 finish and impressive showing against MC did him a lot of good as well.

MoMan: Europe's iNcontrol? I'll leave it to other people to fight over who that's more insulting to and move on.

Delphi: After MC, the only other champion at HSC IV with a first place finish at the $1,000 Poker tournament. Also, he beat MKP. Not bad, not bad.

The Cabinet: MKP's tournament performance was disappointing, and MC's first place was essentially expected by a lot of viewers.

It didn't matter. Two of the most popular Korean players somehow gained even MORE popularity by virtue of their uproariously off the cuff casting performance. Alongside them, the behind the scenes man for SK gaming and Own3d, SK.Reis also got his chance to come out of the shadows as part of this hilarious casting trio (Bi-lingual listeners will have enjoyed his occasional interjections in Korean).

A litany of Terran imbalance complaints, mispronounced Starcraft II terminology, and some licentious dancing moves were some of the highlights of their performance. For sheer entertainment value, it would be worth going back and watching some of the games casted by this trio.

Twitch.TV: For a measly sum of $5,000, Twitch.TV bought yet more good-will from the community. On a less cynical note, they're also a gigantic winner for rescuing us from ESL.TV's terrible, terrible VOD page.

Take and the HSC crew: Like, duh.


Sort of Winners

Anyone who casted: As long as you get to cast a game, there's really no way to lose in HomeStoryCup. Winning tournaments is great, but just getting your personality out there is a good way to increase your marketability as a player. Though not everyone made the most of it, casting at HSC was still an awesome way for a lot of lesser known pros to get some kind of exposure.

When you think about how pros who decide to turn on their mics start to get stream viewers disproportionate to the number of trophies they've won, I wonder why the mic and webcam aren't default on pro-gamer streams. Progamers casting at HSC were all fairly good on the mic, and they were all capable of dropping some serious knowledge. Continuing with vanilla, featureless streams seems like a wasted opportunity for a lot of the guys. In Reddit speak: ShutSpeak up and take our money.

CARMAGA: Stupid memes are a great way to increase your profile in the SC II community, but I'll be surprised if this one has the lasting popularity of timeless classics such as "Grack" and "Top 3 Control."

Germany: Socke and HasuObs were solid as casters. Goody defeated his arch-nemesis Cloud 2-0. Darkforce came in 2nd place at the poker table. HOWEVER, the nation had to suffer the shame of having a Barcraft broadcast from an Irish pub. Overall, the pros outweigh the cons, though, and we'll give Germany a minor win.

JYP, Real, Sound and Violet: Unless you win GSL championships, it's really hard to stand out as a Korean – whether you're training in Korea or have traveled abroad to pursue better opportunities. It doesn't matter if you fly to a foreign tournament, play really well, and beat a lot of good players, because that's what Koreans are supposed to do in the eyes of foreigners. Just look at SlayerS_Ganzi, FXOLucky, or oGsTheStC. For their good play and high finishes, I don't think Real, Sound, or Violet will have left long lasting impressions in the minds of fans (at least JYP can go play in Code S). Still, it's better than nothing. They will command our respect for at least the short term future, and it might be a base to build upon with future tournament success.


Treading Water

iNcontrol & Destiny: The Incontrol and Destiny experience went pretty much as expected. They told funny stories, half the viewers failed to understand their sarcastic humor, and they didn't get out of their groups. A solid performance from two of NA's biggest entertainers, but nothing ground-breaking.

North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?


Losers

HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.

Blizzard: LAN MODE.






Writers: confusedcrib, Pholon, Waxangel and whatthefat.
Graphics: alteredclone and shiroiusagi.
Photos: Jeroen "Weiman" Weimar.
Editors: SirJolt and Waxangel.
Podcast audio technician: R1CH.

Special thanks: Hot_Bid and Smix.
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ntssauce
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany750 Posts
January 12 2012 22:25 GMT
#2
wow awesome read liked the sum ups.. reminded me of the event again :D
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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#3
Awesome, love all the articles and previews . Can't wait for the next HSC. Also rofl @ the "I love liquipedia signs" XDD
befek
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Poland413 Posts
January 12 2012 22:27 GMT
#4
solid write up gj
Dan "Artosis" Stark: Roaches are coming, Game of Drones begins!
Grani
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Germany50 Posts
January 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#5
This review is a good review. Well done.
dAPhREAk
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Nauru12397 Posts
January 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#6
excellent. took awhile to read. stephano's pic is lol. so happy.
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
January 12 2012 22:29 GMT
#7
Dimaga vs JYP game one was super sweet in that Dimaga won, but I really feel like it didnt need to be 58 minutes long. HSC was so good though
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
jmdf
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada6 Posts
January 12 2012 22:30 GMT
#8
Wow, nice article. I love Homestory Cup and am happy for their success.
We make expansion, then defence it.
Adebisi
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Canada1637 Posts
January 12 2012 22:31 GMT
#9
Good read, that picture of Naama with the <3 Liquipedia sign is amazing.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Singapore1393 Posts
January 12 2012 22:31 GMT
#10
Hahah this was such a great review :D <3 TL hwaiting!
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Rixi
Profile Joined April 2011
Spain77 Posts
January 12 2012 22:31 GMT
#11
Nice read.
obv thats more insulting for moman... both on sc and looks.
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Zilir
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Sweden47 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:33:59
January 12 2012 22:32 GMT
#12
Awesome read about an awesome tournament. Was a blast to follow it.
Sadly I have to agree with the Hero comment however much it may pain me.

Oh, the picture of Ret holding the Liquipedia sign is also linked on Destiny's "thumbnail".
Mawi
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Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:35:15
January 12 2012 22:32 GMT
#13
Nice read! awesome review <3

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Canada5 Posts
January 12 2012 22:33 GMT
#14
When i press on Destiny's I ♥ Liquipedia, It shows up as Ret, I think you put Ret's pic in 2x o-o

Other than that, Nice write up!
DuBlooNz
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United Kingdom103 Posts
January 12 2012 22:33 GMT
#15
This was an awesome tourney and a great write up
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
January 12 2012 22:35 GMT
#16
wax so bad sometimes >_<
CursedRich
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom737 Posts
January 12 2012 22:35 GMT
#17
Great write up guys. Not sure about Moman being Europe's Incontrol though, he's not overconfident
Chill Winston......
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
January 12 2012 22:35 GMT
#18
I would have put Bling in the big winners section, yeah other people casted, but I don't think many people knew who he was before the tourney and he was one of the most talked about people during the event.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
MooLen
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany501 Posts
January 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#19
poor Hero ;(
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 12 2012 22:38 GMT
#20
Nice read, Awesome tournament !!!
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
January 12 2012 22:40 GMT
#21
Loved it.

But that pub seems as irish as a donut to me :D
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
January 12 2012 22:41 GMT
#22
Very nice read. It's really surprising how little negative things I can find about Homestorycup... in fact, I can't think of anything. Just a really really good tournament!

The thought of going back to "normal" commentary makes me sad
Member of TPW mapmaking team/// twitter.com/Ragoo_ /// "goody represents border between explainable reason and supernatural" Cloud
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:43:22
January 12 2012 22:42 GMT
#23
very nice post
i didnt know you were gonna go pholon, moar communication!

HerO youre gonna win IEM Kiev, dont worry ♥♥

and yeah grubby was amazing as a caster
gonna listen to the podcast tomorrow, carlo's always entertaining
beep boop
xajukx
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada325 Posts
January 12 2012 22:43 GMT
#24
so mean to HerO
Pholon
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands6142 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:45:38
January 12 2012 22:44 GMT
#25
DI-MA-GA! DI-MA-GA!

On January 13 2012 07:42 7mk wrote:
very nice post
i didnt know you were gonna go pholon, moar communication!


moar you following me on twitter! were you there though, pretty sure I haven't seen you.
Moderator@TLPholon // "I need a third hand to facepalm right now"
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9103 Posts
January 12 2012 22:44 GMT
#26
Nice article, thanks.
Kige
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland17 Posts
January 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#27
Picture of Naama is so awesome :DD
TeeTS
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany2762 Posts
January 12 2012 22:47 GMT
#28
"North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?"

You got me with this one LOL! :D

To Hero's performance: It may be disappointing to those, who just did follow his way since dreamhack, but in my oppinion he got massively overhyped after his thin dreamhack win over Puma. He did perform well there, yes, but he was hyped up to be the best protoss in the world afterwards. And that was way too much. So it's also way too much to call him the only loser of HSC4. Yes he underperformed a little bit. But he took his Ro32 group convincingly and barely lost in a very strong Ro16 group. He might have the claim to reach Ro8 at least in this tournament, but that's not how SC2 works. This game has an affinity to upsets, and those things will happen all the time. (look at Supernova in his recent Code S group).
I would call him a clear loser if he had gone out 0-3 on the first day, but that did not happen. So don't be too harsch on the kid, He is talented, but still needs to improve. He is not on the highest level yet, so he can definately lose to one of the best Zergs in Europe Nerchio and the very very good ZvPer violet. No real shame on that!
MBH
Profile Joined January 2011
Ireland796 Posts
January 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#29
Can you possibly look more wasted than naama? :D
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#30
Sadly there are some serious mistakes in the article.
1) The one trolling through the window was Dimaga not Moman.
2) Cloud isn't Goody's arch-nemesis. Its the other way around. For Goody Cloud is a free win (you don't call a arch-nemesis a free win). Thats why Goody is Cloud's arch-nemesis - cause he always wins against him.
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
January 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#31
a bit too harsh on herO.
Tppz!
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1449 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 22:52:05
January 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#32
I think most ppl didnt recognized this, but Incontrol is a huge winner of HSC4. In most german forums he was said to be one of the most entertaining and awesomest guy at the HSC. A lot of germans who didnt know him well (not watching sotg - dunno) didnt like his invite at first. But after the HSC he was one of the most beloved.
DropTester
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia608 Posts
January 12 2012 22:48 GMT
#33
lol really good recap

I found it quite amusing how destiny's image is linked to ret's
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
January 12 2012 22:49 GMT
#34
Awesome write up for a fantastic tournament. We as viewers get so fucking spoiled by Take, the players. and the production crew.

Stalkman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States17 Posts
January 12 2012 22:50 GMT
#35
Cloud interview was a pleasure to listen to. It's good to hear the players speak in real depth.
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
January 12 2012 22:50 GMT
#36
Really great write-up!!

There's one thing I'd have to disagree with though:

Twitch.TV: [...] On a less cynical note, they're also a gigantic winner for rescuing us from ESL.TV's terrible, terrible VOD page.

Why the ESL.TV hate?
1. The HSC VODs were up on the ESL.TV page before they were at Twitch, so they did a really good job of giving everyone fast access to the VODs.
2. I don't understand how you can call their page terrible. It certainly has its flaws (for example you could criticize that you can't watch just one specific match), but it's still much more clearly laid out and intuitive than Twitch, Own3d and even MLG. Once you figured it out, MLG may be better, but that's kinda personal taste I'd say. But I usually can't find any VOD I want on either Twitch or Own3d. And even if, that wouldn't make ESL.TV's page terrible.
This is not meant to hate on Twitch, their streams are really great and the extra 5k for HSC was an awesome move.
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3805 Posts
January 12 2012 22:51 GMT
#37
Great write up.. CARMAGA
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rolfe
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
January 12 2012 22:54 GMT
#38
i like the article but i think goody and bling are worthy of mentioning as specific winners too. bling got a huge amount of exposure and new popularity and goody got to new levels how the fuck can he keep doing this
life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously but there it is. Life finds a way
Serimek
Profile Joined August 2011
France2274 Posts
January 12 2012 22:54 GMT
#39
Very nice write-up.

That picture of Stephano, man !

I would definitely say that alcohol is indeed a winner of HSCIV, isn't it Bling ? :p
SC2 is the best game to watch and was the best to play before I grew old and slow...
Weiman
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Netherlands91 Posts
January 12 2012 22:54 GMT
#40
Yay, thanks for using my pictures and mad kudo's! <3
TheResidentEvil
Profile Joined September 2010
United States991 Posts
January 12 2012 22:55 GMT
#41
ouch for hero.
Erialic
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada10 Posts
January 12 2012 22:56 GMT
#42
Great article. Awesome Tournament!
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
January 12 2012 22:56 GMT
#43
On January 13 2012 07:50 JayJay_90 wrote:
Really great write-up!!

There's one thing I'd have to disagree with though:
Show nested quote +

Twitch.TV: [...] On a less cynical note, they're also a gigantic winner for rescuing us from ESL.TV's terrible, terrible VOD page.

Why the ESL.TV hate?
1. The HSC VODs were up on the ESL.TV page before they were at Twitch, so they did a really good job of giving everyone fast access to the VODs.
2. I don't understand how you can call their page terrible. It certainly has its flaws (for example you could criticize that you can't watch just one specific match), but it's still much more clearly laid out and intuitive than Twitch, Own3d and even MLG. Once you figured it out, MLG may be better, but that's kinda personal taste I'd say. But I usually can't find any VOD I want on either Twitch or Own3d. And even if, that wouldn't make ESL.TV's page terrible.
This is not meant to hate on Twitch, their streams are really great and the extra 5k for HSC was an awesome move.

Look who is the team sponsor....
On the topic. Finding vods of HSC on twitch was harder than browsing esl.tv vod page. People were giving vod links here on forum cause they just didn't show on HSC twitch channel. Also no vods for stream 2 (dunno if they uploaded them finnaly) but even on third day we had some twich vods from stream 1 and ZERO vods from stream 2 from previous days.
And i really want to rewatch Stephano and Dimaga "KILL KILL KILL KILL" and "WELCOME TO EUROPE" vod...
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
January 12 2012 22:57 GMT
#44
LOL this brings back the MC and MKP commentary...Somebody needs to post a video of that soon ^^
¯\_(シ)_/¯
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
January 12 2012 23:01 GMT
#45
Dimagas push of d00m was indeed awesome!
Full.tilt
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United Kingdom1709 Posts
January 12 2012 23:02 GMT
#46
A disappointing lack of Bling's mum in this write up.
Theovide
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden914 Posts
January 12 2012 23:04 GMT
#47
Awesome and huge post!
fcgog
Profile Joined October 2011
United Kingdom876 Posts
January 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#48
cloud is such a hero great interview wax keep em coming
~Maverick~
Profile Joined July 2010
United States234 Posts
January 12 2012 23:10 GMT
#49
No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.
#roadto5kmmr
Markwerf
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands3728 Posts
January 12 2012 23:14 GMT
#50
MKP vs violet series absent is a shame, easily one of the most remarkable series of the tournament.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
January 12 2012 23:19 GMT
#51
Hero fighting!!! Booooo Blizzard
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
firehand101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Australia3152 Posts
January 12 2012 23:19 GMT
#52
Wow didnt know you would knock on HerO that bad
He must feel pretty shattered when he reads this haha
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zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
January 12 2012 23:20 GMT
#53
I really laughed at this: "North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?" still, much love everyone.
keep it deep! @zulison
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 12 2012 23:22 GMT
#54
On January 13 2012 08:10 ~Maverick~ wrote:
No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.

I think it's mostly because how the MC v Nerchio series went. He got raped so bad in his final series the end impression was kind of underwhelming.
Ripebananaa
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada129 Posts
January 12 2012 23:27 GMT
#55
I disagree with the Hero comments, but I guess everyone isn't going to agree on everything.
Gator
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States3432 Posts
January 12 2012 23:28 GMT
#56
when you click on the destiny liquidpedia picture it shows up as ret, great write up too!!!
TSM
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
January 12 2012 23:31 GMT
#57
Good write up except for waxangel's part.
Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
January 12 2012 23:37 GMT
#58
really nice writeup as always!

it just hurts a little that hasu and socke are described as "solid" casters. Especially Hasu was doing awesome. Way better than Cloud and almost on Grubby's level.
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
Kraww
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden10 Posts
January 12 2012 23:39 GMT
#59
Grubby fighting!

He's Artosis 2.0: Awesome caster AND player.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 12 2012 23:40 GMT
#60
Too hard on Hero. If you were to look at his twitter after he lost, you would have seen how crushed he was already. No need to kick him while he is already down. First people start hyping him as the best Protoss in the world and when he does not meet these expectations, whether at blizzcup or hsc, we think he did poorly. Let's all support the guy for the good player that he is.

There were no players who lost at hsc. Even if they were knocked out the first Round, I'm sure they had a great time and got to show their fans their personality.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Gesperrt
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany417 Posts
January 12 2012 23:40 GMT
#61
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
January 12 2012 23:41 GMT
#62
I really like the very consistent write-ups, a lot of fun and made with effort. Thanks!
Tanuki
Profile Joined March 2011
Russian Federation51 Posts
January 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#63
Nice write up.
(insert a link to "koreans hit 'em moneyz and run" cartoon here)
Oh, Dima, Dima, why didn't you spread your army against those vortexes =(( Nah, probably, because you didn't fuel up with WhiteRa's famous shashlyk (barbeque).
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
January 12 2012 23:44 GMT
#64
HerO part made me sad :'( but i guess it is true; we all know what he is capable of but it needs to be more consistent.

Lol Wax telling it how it is! BOOM!
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
January 12 2012 23:46 GMT
#65
On January 13 2012 08:40 Gesperrt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.

Okay? This was my opinion, is there a difference here I'm missing?
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
January 12 2012 23:47 GMT
#66
lol mc vs. jyp game 5
SO GREAT

also: poor hero
My religion is Starcraft
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 12 2012 23:48 GMT
#67
On January 13 2012 08:46 Enhancer_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:40 Gesperrt wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.

Okay? This was my opinion, is there a difference here I'm missing?


Yes, almost no one cares about your opinion.
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
January 12 2012 23:52 GMT
#68
On January 13 2012 08:48 werynais wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:46 Enhancer_ wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:40 Gesperrt wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.

Okay? This was my opinion, is there a difference here I'm missing?


Yes, almost no one cares about your opinion.

O_O

Apologies for that part where I tried to shove my opinion down your throat I guess.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38198 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-12 23:57:35
January 12 2012 23:56 GMT
#69
Would have loved to see viOlet's deconstruction of MKP's mech play on terminus (?) included in the recommended games stuff, was really impressive.

Also, where's the mention of Bling's mum!

More amazing work, thanks guys, feeling spoiled lately <3
r4sc
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany22 Posts
January 13 2012 00:01 GMT
#70
On January 13 2012 07:48 Tppz! wrote:
I think most ppl didnt recognized this, but Incontrol is a huge winner of HSC4. In most german forums he was said to be one of the most entertaining and awesomest guy at the HSC. A lot of germans who didnt know him well (not watching sotg - dunno) didnt like his invite at first. But after the HSC he was one of the most beloved.


I did know InControl before, but had never seen him cast. While Grubby was great in analysing the game and moderating the commentary, I loved InControl's more empathetic, colorful and funny commentary.

I don't know if they'd fit together, but I'm looking forward to a game casted by Grubby, Incontrol, and MC in HSC V. On second thought, maybe not MC, since he's the star of every commentary. Let's put another American or European in that dream caster group, so that InControl and Grubby have someone to joke with.

Next up: Fantasy Commentator League. Seriously, I can watch a bad game with great commentators, but not the other way around.
NipponBanzai
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada518 Posts
January 13 2012 00:01 GMT
#71
On January 13 2012 08:52 Enhancer_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:48 werynais wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:46 Enhancer_ wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:40 Gesperrt wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.

Okay? This was my opinion, is there a difference here I'm missing?


Yes, almost no one cares about your opinion.

O_O

Apologies for that part where I tried to shove my opinion down your throat I guess.


Don't worry. It's better to be insignificant then always wrong like wax lol.
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
January 13 2012 00:03 GMT
#72
Great read. <3
HSC is the best time of year!
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
R1CH
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Netherlands10340 Posts
January 13 2012 00:04 GMT
#73
Poor HerO .
AdministratorTwitter: @R1CH_TL
ampson
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2355 Posts
January 13 2012 00:09 GMT
#74
Judging all of NA by incontrol, destiny, attero, and kawaiirice? That's a huge fail. Kawaii is the best of them and even he is not near NA's best.
LunaSaint
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom620 Posts
January 13 2012 00:10 GMT
#75
There might have been all sorts of illicit activities going on behind the scenes to keep everyone smiling.

Clearly they were out buying "Kebabs".
Andreas
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Norway214 Posts
January 13 2012 00:15 GMT
#76
Great writeup and nice podcast with Cloud. I find myself agreeing with him - SC2 has a great scene and lots of great events, but the game itself is very lackluster at a high level.
woobsauce
Profile Joined August 2011
United States491 Posts
January 13 2012 00:19 GMT
#77
Haha, InControl clearly not happy being called out by Waxangel. Though, I personally thought his casting wasn't too shabby (though, I think the sc community can be more selective as is).
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
January 13 2012 00:22 GMT
#78
On January 13 2012 09:01 NipponBanzai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:52 Enhancer_ wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:48 werynais wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:46 Enhancer_ wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:40 Gesperrt wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.

Okay? This was my opinion, is there a difference here I'm missing?


Yes, almost no one cares about your opinion.

O_O

Apologies for that part where I tried to shove my opinion down your throat I guess.


Don't worry. It's better to be insignificant then always wrong like wax lol.

werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 13 2012 00:27 GMT
#79
On January 13 2012 08:52 Enhancer_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:48 werynais wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:46 Enhancer_ wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:40 Gesperrt wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:31 Enhancer_ wrote:
Good write up except for waxangel's part.


some parts are questionable but... that's just like his opinion man.

Okay? This was my opinion, is there a difference here I'm missing?


Yes, almost no one cares about your opinion.

O_O

Apologies for that part where I tried to shove my opinion down your throat I guess.


I have no problem with your opinion, just answered your question.
Veezy
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada86 Posts
January 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#80
I dont think HerO's part was necessary. He was not in top shape, but why point him out like that especially when we know he's anxious and already pretty harsh towards himself.

I am the turtle in the race I'll make the rabbit feel it.
Jell
Profile Joined September 2011
Portugal86 Posts
January 13 2012 00:30 GMT
#81
I don't know why anyone would expect anything out of Destiny, he never really had any big results, he's just a normal player slowly getting better like anyone else. Hopefully, he'll eventually get up to a really good level, but at the moment I don't think anyone should be dissapointed in lackluster results.
Chemist
Profile Joined November 2011
Austria127 Posts
January 13 2012 00:38 GMT
#82
and some licentious dancing moves


[image loading]

And Naama looks wasted on that pic! :-D
alQahira
Profile Joined June 2011
United States511 Posts
January 13 2012 00:41 GMT
#83
I for one thought incontrol did some of his best casting ever during HSCIV. He had me laughing out loud with some of his sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek criticism of players.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 13 2012 00:42 GMT
#84
Thanks for the Cloud interview! I'd love if these kind of podcasts became a 'thing', as long as you have interesting guests, I'd listen to one every week.

EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
January 13 2012 00:43 GMT
#85
MC is a boss.
Dear Sixsmith...
kochujang
Profile Joined July 2010
Germany1226 Posts
January 13 2012 00:44 GMT
#86
Poor, poor HerO
krooked
Profile Joined May 2011
376 Posts
January 13 2012 00:48 GMT
#87
The Cloud interview doesn't work for me. I've tried both "Save as.." and just opening the link. Halp?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
January 13 2012 00:52 GMT
#88
Teamliquid has a podcast?!?!?!

Why isn't this advertised more? Where do we find episode 1?!
nimdil
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Poland3748 Posts
January 13 2012 00:52 GMT
#89
On January 13 2012 08:22 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:10 ~Maverick~ wrote:
No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.

I think it's mostly because how the MC v Nerchio series went. He got raped so bad in his final series the end impression was kind of underwhelming.

Still.
One of the only 2 foreigners to advance to play-offs. The only foreigner to top a group in 2nd round and author of 2/3 winnings of foreigner against korean.
At least sort of winner.
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 13 2012 00:58 GMT
#90
BlinG clear winner for his top level ZvZ analysis
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 13 2012 00:58 GMT
#91
On January 13 2012 09:52 Zzoram wrote:
Teamliquid has a podcast?!?!?!

Why isn't this advertised more? Where do we find episode 1?!

It was an interview with Take, go find the HSC4 preview article.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 00:59:40
January 13 2012 00:59 GMT
#92
On January 13 2012 09:52 Zzoram wrote:
Teamliquid has a podcast?!?!?!

Why isn't this advertised more? Where do we find episode 1?!


Not a podcast strictly speaking, more like interviews. I believe that this was the first one with AlteredClone's sick graphic.
I'm a writer for TeamLiquid, you've probably heard of me
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
January 13 2012 01:01 GMT
#93
On January 13 2012 09:52 nimdil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 08:22 Olinimm wrote:
On January 13 2012 08:10 ~Maverick~ wrote:
No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.

I think it's mostly because how the MC v Nerchio series went. He got raped so bad in his final series the end impression was kind of underwhelming.

Still.
One of the only 2 foreigners to advance to play-offs. The only foreigner to top a group in 2nd round and author of 2/3 winnings of foreigner against korean.
At least sort of winner.


Especially since people still throw around the argument that he "is an online hero and hasn't shown anything in LAN events" or that he "hasn't proven himself yet".
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
January 13 2012 01:02 GMT
#94
thx for article :D
gogo mc
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diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
January 13 2012 01:02 GMT
#95
I'm glad we have HSC to fill this niche. This isn't something I want to see all the time, but having an intimate event like this a couple times a year is great. I wasn't planning on watching but when I happened to turn on the stream it happened to be during MKP/MC/Reis time and oh my god was I hooked. MC's complete confidence in the face of hilarious mispronunciations and MKP's timidity in English, often resorting to just calling various Protoss units imba over and over, was so precious.

As a zerg though, I got a little tired of MC calling everyone that played my race a jerk
vdale
Profile Joined June 2010
Germany1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 01:13:56
January 13 2012 01:12 GMT
#96
I think that Incontrol was one of the winners of HSC. His casting was great, especially the JYP vs MC Series with Socke and HasuObs, if I remember correctly. His group was also too strong to really be able to disappoint skill-wise.

I would love to see him at the next Homestorycup, I think he fits perfectly in this kind of tournament.

Overall the tournament was the best I watched so far since the Beta of SC2. I watched a lot of games I normally wouldn't watch in any other tournament, just because of the casting/setting/atmosphere.
mrRoflpwn
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
January 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#97
Artosis better watch out ! =]
Long live the Boss Toss!
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
January 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#98
The Naama pic is gold. He is also a clear winner in my book.
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
January 13 2012 01:13 GMT
#99
Wax, in the podcast you promised us the cookie monster emoticon in the article! Where is it, show us please! :D
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 01:16:34
January 13 2012 01:15 GMT
#100
MoMan: Europe's iNcontrol? I'll leave it to other people to fight over who that's more insulting to and move on.

Wow man
Good article overall, appreciate the "memorable moments"
o choro é livre
aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 13 2012 01:17 GMT
#101
On January 13 2012 10:13 obsKura wrote:
Wax, in the podcast you promised us the cookie monster emoticon in the article! Where is it, show us please! :D

[image loading]
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g64/hunter692007/kruemelmonsteryn0.gif
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
January 13 2012 01:21 GMT
#102
On January 13 2012 10:17 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 10:13 obsKura wrote:
Wax, in the podcast you promised us the cookie monster emoticon in the article! Where is it, show us please! :D

[image loading]


Woo, the cookie monster is back!
ViceZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States42 Posts
January 13 2012 01:24 GMT
#103
HSC is the coziest tournament by far and offers the best look into player personalities. It was the perfect way to start the year off and I'll be looking forward to the next one. Also, shouldn't bling be a winner there? He was hilarious throughout the weekend.
yawnoC
Profile Joined December 2010
United States3704 Posts
January 13 2012 01:32 GMT
#104
I learned that iNcontrol + Grubby could be a top level casting duo :D (Maybe ret + destiny also)

All in all I enjoyed every moment of the HSC and I eagerally await the next one.
GG - UNiVeRsE is the best player in the WORLD
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 13 2012 01:32 GMT
#105
awesome podcast, really really enjoyed it
ModeratorFlash Sea Action Snow Midas | TheStC Ret Tyler MC | RIP 우정호
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 13 2012 01:34 GMT
#106
Like people have pointed out earlier, why the ESLTV hate? They actually did a great job this time?
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
January 13 2012 01:38 GMT
#107
Your Destiny picture shows Ret when enlarged.
https://twitter.com/#!/TorteDeLini (@TorteDeLini)
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
January 13 2012 01:39 GMT
#108
Koreans> Koreans living outside of Korea.LOL.Cute.
HSC4 was definitely a nice tournament to enjoy.
Play your best
Ventris
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany1226 Posts
January 13 2012 01:53 GMT
#109
Every TL Article has NA-Server bashing these days xD
Kira__
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
January 13 2012 02:06 GMT
#110
stephano REALLY loves liquipedia
The truth is, Yagami-kun, I suspect that you may in fact be Kira.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
January 13 2012 02:08 GMT
#111
Great read. Ret is also a winner for perfect zero accent English (how'd he do that?) and top quality analysis - right up there with Grubby IMO.
MC for president
EG.lectR
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States617 Posts
January 13 2012 02:09 GMT
#112
Rather odd "Sort of Winners" but...oh well.
@colindeshong
Loophole
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States867 Posts
January 13 2012 02:25 GMT
#113
Nice read. I found the Dimaga cheering thing a little awkward and forced, since someone ran in behind him and was like, look it's Dimaga!!!
"Fundamental preparation is always effective. Work on those parts of your game that are fundamentally weak." -Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 13 2012 02:27 GMT
#114
On January 13 2012 10:12 vdale wrote:
I think that Incontrol was one of the winners of HSC. His casting was great, especially the JYP vs MC Series with Socke and HasuObs, if I remember correctly. His group was also too strong to really be able to disappoint skill-wise.

I would love to see him at the next Homestorycup, I think he fits perfectly in this kind of tournament.

Overall the tournament was the best I watched so far since the Beta of SC2. I watched a lot of games I normally wouldn't watch in any other tournament, just because of the casting/setting/atmosphere.


Incontrol definitely had a good tournament, even beating Thorzain in the tournament. The key was that everyone expected so little of him that he exceeded expectations by beating Thorzain and getting 3rd in the group.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
werynais
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1780 Posts
January 13 2012 02:37 GMT
#115
On January 13 2012 11:27 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 10:12 vdale wrote:
I think that Incontrol was one of the winners of HSC. His casting was great, especially the JYP vs MC Series with Socke and HasuObs, if I remember correctly. His group was also too strong to really be able to disappoint skill-wise.

I would love to see him at the next Homestorycup, I think he fits perfectly in this kind of tournament.

Overall the tournament was the best I watched so far since the Beta of SC2. I watched a lot of games I normally wouldn't watch in any other tournament, just because of the casting/setting/atmosphere.


Incontrol definitely had a good tournament, even beating Thorzain in the tournament. The key was that everyone expected so little of him that he exceeded expectations by beating Thorzain and getting 3rd in the group.


Dude he won ONE match against a player who was already out !

Very good casting / entertainer qualities though.
diophan
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1018 Posts
January 13 2012 02:51 GMT
#116
You missed Goody in the losers list for acquiring the least flattering nickname ever: Supply Block Terran.
JujuXG
Profile Joined September 2011
United States373 Posts
January 13 2012 03:01 GMT
#117
Good write up.
"I'm naturally good at everything. I'm good at eating too, so that's why I can't lose weight."
Bart
Profile Joined November 2010
494 Posts
January 13 2012 03:01 GMT
#118
excelent review of the event. I wish i caught more of it
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | Fan of: MKP, Select, MC, Kripp, Purge, JP, Qpad Red Pandas
Lavalamp799
Profile Joined March 2011
United States554 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 03:55:03
January 13 2012 03:48 GMT
#119
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.


Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!
roronoe
Profile Joined May 2009
Canada1527 Posts
January 13 2012 03:54 GMT
#120
Look at what they wrote about hero, and people still constantly call out TL for bias.
The Purgatory of Endless Depths
GHOSTCLAW
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States17042 Posts
January 13 2012 04:13 GMT
#121
Next west coast tourny. Doing the I <3 liquipedia thing
PhotographerLiquipedia. Drop me a pm if you've got questions/need help.
Shockk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Germany2269 Posts
January 13 2012 04:14 GMT
#122
Great writeup, it truly was an amazing tournament. I don't agree with everything in the Winner's section - Bling is missing, Cloud definitely is too high up, and others aren't mentioned enough - but then again it's only opinions. Excited for HSC5.
Nazura
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada5 Posts
January 13 2012 04:32 GMT
#123
The HerO 'loser' section was a little harsh
For The Emperor!
DamageControL
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States4222 Posts
January 13 2012 04:33 GMT
#124
HERO I STILL LOVE YOU!
Liquid | SKT
omgimonfire15
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States233 Posts
January 13 2012 04:34 GMT
#125
The cabinet picture made me lol. We need to get them in next year too.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 13 2012 04:40 GMT
#126
hero
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
January 13 2012 04:42 GMT
#127
On January 13 2012 12:48 Lavalamp799 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.


Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!


I think you're confusing the TL pro team staff for the team liquid article writers, or even the TLpro writers, which are not the same people.
Derity
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2952 Posts
January 13 2012 05:06 GMT
#128
maybe Waxangel only stated Hero clearly as 'loser' just because he is on TL. Don't give it too much thought.

btw: still have to catch up with the videos, but grubby is just outstanding.
anoit7
Profile Joined April 2011
Croatia11 Posts
January 13 2012 05:26 GMT
#129
where can i download the replays?
Life is a lie if People don't cry.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 05:29:31
January 13 2012 05:28 GMT
#130
On January 13 2012 12:54 roronoe wrote:
Look at what they wrote about hero, and people still constantly call out TL for bias.


Maybe they are meta-gaming us?

In all seriousness, I think it is a reaction by the writers after the community outcry after the Blizzard Cup preview. In the preview, TL was hyping Hero big-time, but given his great performances at Dreamhack and NASL, I guess many people, TL included, just got carried away by the hype. Anyway, TL predicted that Hero would take 1st in a group of MVP, DRG, MC, and Stephano. Not surprisingly, people started to call bias on TL, especially after Hero's 0-4 performance in that group.

While Hero did get outclassed, he got outclassed by the world's absolute best players, and there is no shame in that. I think now the writers might be a bit gun-shy about over-hyping Hero after that Blizzcup misprediction. But I also do not think they should be calling him a loser in this tournament either.

Don't get me wrong, though. I still think that this was a great review article, and I just find issue with one small segment. I do agree that Blizzard's lack of LAN was a loser in this tournament though...
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
cari-kira
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany655 Posts
January 13 2012 05:30 GMT
#131
really well done with much effort^^
Live and let live
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37003 Posts
January 13 2012 05:30 GMT
#132
HSC was so freaking amazing!!!

<3 TL staff
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
vilehelm
Profile Joined July 2011
10 Posts
January 13 2012 06:05 GMT
#133
Good write up. I personally didn't get the same feeling of suspense or excitement from HSC that I do from Dreamhack or MLG...etc. But I did enjoy it for the insight and change of pace.

Really enjoyed the Destiny, Incontrol and TooGood casting but I hope they don't try something like that at MLG.

dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
January 13 2012 06:29 GMT
#134
Loved the casting for HSC, defiantly the greatest tourney for player personality displays ever!

Also:
Blizzard: LAN MODE.
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
January 13 2012 06:30 GMT
#135
Good writeup, except the part about Incontrol. Incontrol is always a winner when he gets on camera IMO.
DrahtMaul
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany74 Posts
January 13 2012 06:36 GMT
#136
feel like steven's pic doesn't work correctly
expostfacto
Profile Joined December 2002
United States365 Posts
January 13 2012 06:36 GMT
#137
What games should I watch to experience the awesome that is Grubby commentary?
http://www.carnageblender.com -- over 100 million battles served
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
January 13 2012 06:37 GMT
#138
Nice write-up but pretty harsh on HerO. Oh well, we will celebrate him when he shines all the more!
Animzor
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden2154 Posts
January 13 2012 06:53 GMT
#139
I had so much fun watching HSC, especially whenever Grubby, Incontrol, MC or MKP were casting. I think Incontrol gets too little credit, having him there doing his thing made it feel like home because I'm so used to seeing him on SOTG and in almost every tournament. I really hope he attends the next one as well.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
January 13 2012 06:57 GMT
#140
Great tournament, great write-up, but I wouldn't say smaller is better. Dreamhack Winter 2011 still is the coolest thing I've ever seen in e-sports.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Kenny_oro
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany368 Posts
January 13 2012 07:02 GMT
#141
The part on HerO is somehow hard but in some way right. You can discuss why his performance and overall showing at HSC wasn't that well as any of his fans or TL-Fans may have hoped.

On my side of this (huge fan of him) i'm rly sad but not disappointed. Going out of the tournament so early wasn't good, but what bothered me more was the fact that he didn't show up to give some autographs or take some photos. I've been there on friday and saturday and only saw him for seconds as he was leaving the place with the other koreans to take a break from the flat. i took my chance as they retourned just to get the worst photo ever taken by me (thanks to the photographer who didn't know my cam at this moment). so that was my overall experience of meeting my favourite player i didn't even have the chance to let him sign my mousepad because at this moment i just didn't want him to wait outside of the pub for me to grab it from the inside ... who knew that in the end this whould've been my only chance?

Still <3 u Hyeondeok! more play less travel and you'll be Code S Champ.

-> pictures i took on HSC:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.325021600854294.77033.100000393696163&type=3 (i hope you can access them without beeing friend?)

you can take these pics wherever u want (reupload etc.) - just wanted to share

HerO | TaeJa | Sea | Polt | CranK Fighting!
dg991
Profile Joined August 2011
United States11 Posts
January 13 2012 07:19 GMT
#142
gj, sad to hear about Hero. I didn't even know he was there!

HSC was awesome!
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
January 13 2012 07:51 GMT
#143
I listened to the podcast...ClouD is awesome. I no longer have the dream of being a progamer, but I respect those who do.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
January 13 2012 08:09 GMT
#144
Drunk Stephano can be quite intimidating... in an out of control, "I think he might chew off my shins" kind of way.

Would be pretty great to have more of these types of events, but it really is a very unique and special event.
WallieP
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands425 Posts
January 13 2012 08:09 GMT
#145
Grubby is way to good of player to switch to caster imo! He will be THE top foreigner this year so no reason for him to switch anyway. Also he showed himself before but he just had so much bad luck like being kicked out 2-1 in dreamhack groups and stuf flike that.. and yes, im a fanboy!
i came i saw i conquered
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
January 13 2012 08:16 GMT
#146
My Winners of the HSC:
MC - obvious
Goody + Cloud - both of them took 2 games off koreans. Goody nearly made it out of his group with 2 top level koreans in it.
Nerchio - best foreign player this HSC and winning EVERY bo3 until running into MC.
Naama playing on ladder with MoMaN casting - most entertaining thing since... don't remember :D
And ofc the viewers.
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 13 2012 08:29 GMT
#147
On January 13 2012 07:47 TeeTS wrote:
"North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?"

You got me with this one LOL! :D

To Hero's performance: It may be disappointing to those, who just did follow his way since dreamhack, but in my oppinion he got massively overhyped after his thin dreamhack win over Puma. He did perform well there, yes, but he was hyped up to be the best protoss in the world afterwards. And that was way too much. So it's also way too much to call him the only loser of HSC4. Yes he underperformed a little bit. But he took his Ro32 group convincingly and barely lost in a very strong Ro16 group. He might have the claim to reach Ro8 at least in this tournament, but that's not how SC2 works. This game has an affinity to upsets, and those things will happen all the time. (look at Supernova in his recent Code S group).
I would call him a clear loser if he had gone out 0-3 on the first day, but that did not happen. So don't be too harsch on the kid, He is talented, but still needs to improve. He is not on the highest level yet, so he can definately lose to one of the best Zergs in Europe Nerchio and the very very good ZvPer violet. No real shame on that!


There is nothing wrong with HerO as skill, his multi tasking belong to the best in the world also his map awarenes and reaction time is scary to see. It's a mental thing HerO does not look confident, infact i'd say he thinks very little ofhimself as a progamer. Honestly he should learn something from MC in that way, confidence just a blind faith in your self.
Mentalproblems is all that there is in holding HerO back, hope it will get better with more time in the spotlight.
COLT217
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany70 Posts
January 13 2012 08:36 GMT
#148
I really think real will be bigger soon... for him it was a great chance to make him a name and he gained some good feelings of beeing in the round of 8 ... Think he is one of the clear winner...
"[race] is so IMBA! - for [race] fill in the last one, you lost against. But be carefull of mirrormatchups!"
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
January 13 2012 08:40 GMT
#149
Nice writeup! Poor Hero though..

Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
xerathul
Profile Joined March 2011
Turkey12 Posts
January 13 2012 09:04 GMT
#150
ClouD is ok as a caster but he should just shut up and let the other casters talk once in a while

Also Ret is in Destiny's thumb.
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
January 13 2012 09:11 GMT
#151
Imho JYP is definitly among the winners of the tourney. He introduced himself as an EG member by showing two of the best series in the tournament ( against MC and Dimaga) only loosing to MC and taking third place and a good chunk of price money.

Definitly a very good showing as far as I'm concerned.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
January 13 2012 09:27 GMT
#152
I would add Thorzain to the losers. I mean he lost to Incontrol :/

Also he seems to be on some kind of mental slump lately.
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Geisterkarle
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Germany3257 Posts
January 13 2012 09:35 GMT
#153
Liked the three last words the most
There can only be one Geisterkarle
FallenEncore
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom64 Posts
January 13 2012 09:39 GMT
#154
bling and incontrol should be on the winners page! it was awesome...! Trapoline!
kugel
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany116 Posts
January 13 2012 09:39 GMT
#155
HOWEVER, the nation had to suffer the shame of having a Barcraft broadcast from an Irish

It isnt as bad as you might think. I can say that we love bars / pubs as long as there is a good atmosphere / drinks :D
RolleMcKnolle
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany1054 Posts
January 13 2012 09:47 GMT
#156
Why the Incontrol hate? He did great over the weekend. There were quite a lot of matches I just watched because he was casting...
Carmac
Profile Joined August 2007
Poland375 Posts
January 13 2012 10:31 GMT
#157
On January 13 2012 11:25 Loophole wrote:
Nice read. I found the Dimaga cheering thing a little awkward and forced, since someone ran in behind him and was like, look it's Dimaga!!!


You were not in that room during the JYP game, so you have no idea.
www.intelextrememasters.com
Tumor
Profile Joined July 2010
Austria192 Posts
January 13 2012 10:41 GMT
#158
nice read, i realy enjoyed HSC but some casters failed, missed attacks and stuff happening. like you sayed, give grubby a pro caster spot he is amazing!!!!!!!!
stardog
Profile Joined August 2011
556 Posts
January 13 2012 10:46 GMT
#159
The podcast with ClouD was great – only honest and insightful answers from him.
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
January 13 2012 11:13 GMT
#160
agree with everything except cloud. he was apalling on the mic.
Zubrowka
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany42 Posts
January 13 2012 11:22 GMT
#161
On January 13 2012 18:27 Greenei wrote:
I would add Thorzain to the losers. I mean he lost to Incontrol :/

Also he seems to be on some kind of mental slump lately.


Thorzain was casting a few matches, thats the reason to not count him to losers.

btw great writeup.
thx

cya @ HSC V :D
Legen- wait for it -dary!!
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
January 13 2012 11:52 GMT
#162
grubbys casting was awesome! he really deserves to be the big winner at HSC
great writeup!
FTD
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
January 13 2012 12:06 GMT
#163
Having never heard Grubby cast, let alone speak, i tuned into the HSC finals or semis or whatever and heard a fantastic casting trio. The guy leading it was Grubby, i didn't know this. I thought he was a pro. Like... Dutchtosis or something. I was blown away and am now a massive Grubby fan. Late to the party, i know, but my point is he's amazing and i love him.

Great write up for a great tournament~!
Leenock =^_^= Ryung =^_^= Parting =^_^= herO =^_^= Guilty
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
January 13 2012 12:32 GMT
#164
On January 13 2012 16:02 Kenny_oro wrote:
The part on HerO is somehow hard but in some way right. You can discuss why his performance and overall showing at HSC wasn't that well as any of his fans or TL-Fans may have hoped.

On my side of this (huge fan of him) i'm rly sad but not disappointed. Going out of the tournament so early wasn't good, but what bothered me more was the fact that he didn't show up to give some autographs or take some photos. I've been there on friday and saturday and only saw him for seconds as he was leaving the place with the other koreans to take a break from the flat. i took my chance as they retourned just to get the worst photo ever taken by me (thanks to the photographer who didn't know my cam at this moment). so that was my overall experience of meeting my favourite player i didn't even have the chance to let him sign my mousepad because at this moment i just didn't want him to wait outside of the pub for me to grab it from the inside ... who knew that in the end this whould've been my only chance?

Still <3 u Hyeondeok! more play less travel and you'll be Code S Champ.

-> pictures i took on HSC:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.325021600854294.77033.100000393696163&type=3 (i hope you can access them without beeing friend?)

you can take these pics wherever u want (reupload etc.) - just wanted to share



wow dude, great pictures!

Nice to know that incontrol was there smashing nerd arms haha! Even breaking one ;D

Incontrol is a nice guy can't understand why people always bash the guy!

It was a great tournament, thank you take, the organization and the players!!
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
viOLetFanClub
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Korea (South)390 Posts
January 13 2012 12:50 GMT
#165
I don't think Real, Sound, or Violet will have left long lasting impressions in the minds of fans (at least JYP can go play in Code S). Still, it's better than nothing. They will command our respect for at least the short term future, and it might be a base to build upon with future tournament success.


viOLet a "sort of winner", yet he defeats MKP 3-1 and 2-0's HerO and STILL doesn't get ANY applause? If anyone read about this kid's story and how much of his life he's dedicated to even GET to HSC4 let alone any LANs with what's happened, people would give this kid the attention he deserves.

Sigh.
BatCat
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Austria630 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 13:06:58
January 13 2012 13:06 GMT
#166
DIMAGA not amongst the winners? q_q I guess the main text makes up for it :p
Still a great read :-)
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
felisconcolori
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States6168 Posts
January 13 2012 13:16 GMT
#167
Loved that Blizzard was a loser, but you should probably have added MannerKingPrime to the list of sort of winners for his good times with MC and Reis as well as his jumping up to go ahead and offer a regame to Vi0let despite his good position at the time of Blizzard's derp. (Seriously, can Blizzard just get over it and at least allow a Bnet 2.0 tournament server appliance as part of the official blizzard tourney licensing agreements? Or a special LAN tourney client?!)

Poor Her0. You're good, man - ignore the doubt, and just play!

Nice wrap-up, and the HSC has a great atmosphere - one of the few tourneys I've actually watched (stealthily, of course) from work. :D

Yes, I email sponsors... to thank them. Don't post drunk, kids. My king, what has become of you?
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
January 13 2012 13:19 GMT
#168
On January 13 2012 12:48 Lavalamp799 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.


Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!

This is good journalism, stop being whining about it.
Great job wax keep up the good work.
Ragoo
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany2773 Posts
January 13 2012 13:20 GMT
#169
Cloud interview was so great, he's one of the most honest persons out there.

Really sad to hear how he feels about the game But I can kinda understand him...
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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
January 13 2012 13:32 GMT
#170
Cloud, that was really great. Keep up the good work!
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bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 14:35:39
January 13 2012 14:06 GMT
#171
Grubby did nothing but impress me with his stories of take running around pinching his nipples
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Also props go to thorzain, ret, socke (I think it was), who did some amazing chilled casting late on in the tourney. They just sat around how I imagine sc2 players want to sit around, not getting hyper about nothing, not trying too hard to show off funny personalities, just sitting watching the game discussing the implications of scouting someone's robo tech or whatever.
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 14:29:13
January 13 2012 14:27 GMT
#172
On January 13 2012 08:40 Bagration wrote:
Too hard on Hero. If you were to look at his twitter after he lost, you would have seen how crushed he was already. No need to kick him while he is already down. First people start hyping him as the best Protoss in the world and when he does not meet these expectations, whether at blizzcup or hsc, we think he did poorly. Let's all support the guy for the good player that he is.

There were no players who lost at hsc. Even if they were knocked out the first Round, I'm sure they had a great time and got to show their fans their personality.


yeah, this 100 times over. Poor guy

Great articles and an awesome read nonetheless
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Kenny_oro
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany368 Posts
January 13 2012 14:34 GMT
#173
On January 13 2012 21:32 shell wrote:
wow dude, great pictures!

Nice to know that incontrol was there smashing nerd arms haha! Even breaking one ;D

Incontrol is a nice guy can't understand why people always bash the guy!

It was a great tournament, thank you take, the organization and the players!!


LOL - Geoff didn't break anything Please don't get this wrong!

The guy just slipped his ellbow over the table - just look at the wood and the holes in the metal inbetween (maybe he didn't realise where he put his arm because of beeing a bit drunk he just ripped a bit off his skin. I'm sure Geoff whouldn't do anything harming intentional. the picture looks much more dramatic than it really was
HerO | TaeJa | Sea | Polt | CranK Fighting!
Rassy
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands2308 Posts
January 13 2012 14:35 GMT
#174
Oh this is awesome, nice write up, love reliving this tournament

Cant agree with one comment though
Hasu obs is a more then solid caster imo,(and so is cloud)
They on par with quiet a few professional casters
ES_JohnClark
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1121 Posts
January 13 2012 15:13 GMT
#175
not a single mention about viOLet.

Yes, I am a bit biased.. but the fact he was not mentioned at all, also shows some biased.

The guy went there.. with not one person expecting him to reach the 2nd stage. Not only did he do that, but he finished 4th overall. The fact that he went from a virtual unknown into a training camp that has helped him grow as a player and person.. should be a story. Like I said though.. I am a bit biased in that respect.

Great write up though!
Still Naked!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
January 13 2012 15:15 GMT
#176
On January 13 2012 21:50 k1mjee wrote:
Show nested quote +
I don't think Real, Sound, or Violet will have left long lasting impressions in the minds of fans (at least JYP can go play in Code S). Still, it's better than nothing. They will command our respect for at least the short term future, and it might be a base to build upon with future tournament success.


viOLet a "sort of winner", yet he defeats MKP 3-1 and 2-0's HerO and STILL doesn't get ANY applause? If anyone read about this kid's story and how much of his life he's dedicated to even GET to HSC4 let alone any LANs with what's happened, people would give this kid the attention he deserves.

Sigh.

Yeah, he's a winner. Just like Sound. But Wax's point is, that as they are no foreigners, people don't care that much for their result if they don't win it all...

Violet and Sound impressed me the most to be honest. Hero was a disappointment for sure, but so was Thorzain.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 13 2012 15:16 GMT
#177
LAN mode required!

Awesome writeup anyway
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12704 Posts
January 13 2012 15:40 GMT
#178
Nothing quite like a good old-fashioned lan party
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
January 13 2012 15:47 GMT
#179
Hmm...the review kinda ends on a sour note for me as a HerO fan. I think it's important to note that he did not perform as well as expected but the way it was done just seemed unnecessarily mean. It basically singled out HerO as the only "loser" in the entire tournament (having "Blizzard" doesn't count since that's such a stock answer). Having a real second "loser" would have gone a long way to not leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Especially if the entire review is going to end with it.

I guess I'll just have to try and remember that the rest of it was actually a really good read. Brought back great memories of that weekend.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
entropius
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1046 Posts
January 13 2012 15:53 GMT
#180
Holy shit. How did I miss all these games? Are there vods available anywhere?
jaydee81
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany119 Posts
January 13 2012 16:01 GMT
#181
Great read, as always!
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
January 13 2012 16:05 GMT
#182
WaxAngel that's uncalled for. Firstly, Destiny was clearly on tilt after losing that 3rd game to grubby (you know, the one where he was miles ahead and then was harassed to death in a grueling 25+ minute game?). Secondly, iNcontroL beat ThorZaIN, which, granted, may have been due to ThorZaINs tilt after his two previous losses.

What I'm actually disappointed about, though, is your classification of servers. Reinforcing stereotypes is the best way to ensure their accuracy in the future. By reinforcing the stereotype that NA< all other servers, you have taken motivation away from those North American players who are good, but don't invest enough time in StarCraft to become professional. There could be high-master / GM NA players who have enormous potential who don't pursue a career in StarCraft because of the shitty things people say about the NA server.

Great writeup otherwise. I didn't know whatthefat was a TL writer. Congrats! I love your work :D
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
siNwOw
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany9 Posts
January 13 2012 16:08 GMT
#183
nice read and it's so true!
Newbistic
Profile Blog Joined August 2006
China2912 Posts
January 13 2012 16:21 GMT
#184
Great writeup.

I like how if you click on Ret's "I love liquipedia" photo it shows an enlarged picture of Ret, and if you click on Destiny's photo it also shows a picture of Ret. Ulterior motives?
Logic is Overrated
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
January 13 2012 16:24 GMT
#185
Remember,

The players are the true stars.

Other personalities are the icing on the cake.
gardinho
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany368 Posts
January 13 2012 16:50 GMT
#186
handsome boy moviestar!
Amoment
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 16:54:09
January 13 2012 16:53 GMT
#187
I...
can´t agree more
awesome read
6000 MMR/competitive Dota 2 player. SC2 LOTV Grandmaster - WoL Top 75 EU, 150 World. YouTuber.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
January 13 2012 17:04 GMT
#188
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
perser84
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany399 Posts
January 13 2012 17:06 GMT
#189
well done
DKaidon
Profile Joined December 2011
Poland23 Posts
January 13 2012 17:08 GMT
#190
Expected something more about Dimaga and anything about Nerchio, both did great IMO
Tortious_Tortoise
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States944 Posts
January 13 2012 17:08 GMT
#191
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
Treating eSports as a social science since 2011; Credo: "The system is never wrong"-- Day9 Daily #400 Part 3
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 17:15:37
January 13 2012 17:15 GMT
#192
wrong thread
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
Lyter
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2145 Posts
January 13 2012 17:17 GMT
#193
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.


Are you seriously trying to say NA is not the weakest server? It has been like that for a long time and every NA pro will agree with it
FliedLice
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany7494 Posts
January 13 2012 17:19 GMT
#194
On January 14 2012 02:17 Lyter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.


Are you seriously trying to say NA is not the weakest server? It has been like that for a long time and every NA pro will agree with it


pleeeeeaaaaaasssseeee stop.
Kevmeister @ Dota2
MogSkynet
Profile Joined May 2011
25 Posts
January 13 2012 17:32 GMT
#195
I love HSC so much! MoMan and Hasuobs were my favorites, I could listen to either of them cast pretty much all day and be happy. Thanks to Take and his team for putting on such an awesome event!
naVaz
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 18:14:03
January 13 2012 18:06 GMT
#196
only dumb people laugh at incontrols humor. like making fun of the british accent of his cocaster over and over. me personally thinks he shouldnt be at HSC. he is spreading subliminal hate and thinks its funny. im not saying he is doing it on purpose, it just the way he is - very ego-centered. not very appropriate for such a nice and positiv turnament.

It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.


political correctness? i lol'd. is there such a thing?



great writeup tho. i REALLY enjoyed HSC! especially MC and MKP casting and those insane Dimaga games.

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naVaz
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany38 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 18:09:53
January 13 2012 18:08 GMT
#197
Resilient
Profile Joined June 2010
United Kingdom1431 Posts
January 13 2012 18:12 GMT
#198
Incontrol and Grubby's casting is seriously good. I'm not surprised considering their confidence and success irl, but it's still nice to have these kind of dual-role professionals around. Almost everyone did great casting, but those two stood out for me.
RouaF
Profile Joined October 2010
France4120 Posts
January 13 2012 18:29 GMT
#199
Very good tournament and very funny article !
Vei
Profile Joined March 2010
United States2845 Posts
January 13 2012 18:58 GMT
#200
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.

I always get a very passive-aggressive vibe from many of TL's BW writers...

That said he was obviously just voicing what he believed in, in all cases, so I'm not too offended.

Poor HerO lol, he needs to hurry up and realize Korean shyness will only make him fade into obscurity in global esports.
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 13 2012 19:02 GMT
#201
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.

He just made a personal (and if you want to cut this political correctness crap also a true) consideration based on the recent tournaments. He didn't take away anything from any NA player by saying that.
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7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 13 2012 19:21 GMT
#202
On January 14 2012 04:02 aTnClouD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.

He just made a personal (and if you want to cut this political correctness crap also a true) consideration based on the recent tournaments. He didn't take away anything from any NA player by saying that.


nah you dont get it man, wax is racist, he hates america
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aTnClouD
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Italy2428 Posts
January 13 2012 19:32 GMT
#203
On January 14 2012 04:21 7mk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 04:02 aTnClouD wrote:
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.

He just made a personal (and if you want to cut this political correctness crap also a true) consideration based on the recent tournaments. He didn't take away anything from any NA player by saying that.


nah you dont get it man, wax is racist, he hates america

Thanks for clarifying, I was too narrow minded to come to the most obvious conclusion!
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Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 19:45:31
January 13 2012 19:44 GMT
#204
huh, so apparently mean on Hero. but i think it's objectively correct poor hero

another point, Hasu was much better than solid as a caster. i'd put him on par with could, just below grubby
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Mob.scene
Profile Joined May 2011
16 Posts
January 13 2012 19:51 GMT
#205
The problem's not so much Wax's "calling it like he sees it".

It's much more that he constantly acts like he speaks for "the fans" and he makes really personal attacks that come off like they're written by an anti-social kid that hates all the popular kids because they're just so normal and don't realize how great and not boring he is.

To wit: >> "MoMan: Europe's iNcontrol? I'll leave it to other people to fight over who that's more insulting to and move on."

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Keone
Profile Joined April 2011
United States812 Posts
January 13 2012 19:58 GMT
#206
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.

Of course he's going to lump them together. However you way you wax it, people from similar cultures have similar playstyles, similar training lifestyles, and similar results, and often associate with each other voluntarily. Have you heard of this old competition called the Olympics?
BW Forever. Flash is the Ultimate Bonjwa.
Uracil
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany422 Posts
January 13 2012 20:18 GMT
#207
Awesome podcast with cloud. I hope there will be a lot more audio podcast from TL in the future.
EatsDirt
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 20:26:56
January 13 2012 20:21 GMT
#208
I really don't like it that you guys bash Hero, he has obvious nerve problems and he most probably reads the main page news. Bashing him on his teams main page sure as hell is not making him any more comfortable.
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
January 13 2012 20:51 GMT
#209
On January 13 2012 12:48 Lavalamp799 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote:
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.


Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!


If the Teamliquid writers praise TL for their 2011 performance they get bashed.
If the Teamliquid writers call a TL member out for underperforming they get bashed too.

Kinda odd imo :x
Saronix
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada73 Posts
January 13 2012 20:54 GMT
#210
On January 13 2012 09:09 ampson wrote:
Judging all of NA by incontrol, destiny, attero, and kawaiirice? That's a huge fail. Kawaii is the best of them and even he is not near NA's best.


Totally agree with this, there are lots of NA pros that can give anyone a run for their money.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 21:06:34
January 13 2012 20:56 GMT
#211
"Losers

HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player."

"Impressing neither with his personality" ... but what does that have to do with how he performed at Homestory cup? That seemed like an insult to me. If i were HerO i would be insulted by that. Ok he's shy..... but that's just how he is and you can't change that. He might of done poorly at Homestory cup but to bring his personality into this is stepping over the line imo. Support him instead of trashing his personality.

Not everyone is a MC, iNcontroL, Grubby etc.
Reggiegigas
Profile Joined August 2010
234 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 21:11:48
January 13 2012 21:08 GMT
#212
Amazing stream quality...? I didn't see 1080p anywhere, let alone 720p. And little to no bells and whistles. No sir, great it was not.

Also, Thorzain should definitely be in the "clear losers" section. He lost to Incontrol (don't kill me for saying what was on everyone's mind), that's just awful. Poor Spoon Terran.
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
January 13 2012 21:24 GMT
#213
On January 14 2012 06:08 Reggiegigas wrote:
Amazing stream quality...? I didn't see 1080p anywhere, let alone 720p. And little to no bells and whistles. No sir, great it was not.

Also, Thorzain should definitely be in the "clear losers" section. He lost to Incontrol (don't kill me for saying what was on everyone's mind), that's just awful. Poor Spoon Terran.


Well this could be true but if you think about it ThorZaIN has been in a slump lately so that wasn't like a huge surprise. But losing to iNcontroL sure was (even if he didn't play to his full potential).

HerO has been impressive lately with 1st at DH and 2nd at NASL. So i guess this is why HerO was put in the "losers" section since it was far from expected. He was expected to be "up there" so to speak.
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
January 13 2012 21:26 GMT
#214
On January 14 2012 05:56 Waterflow wrote:
"Losers

HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player."

"Impressing neither with his personality" ... but what does that have to do with how he performed at Homestory cup? That seemed like an insult to me. If i were HerO i would be insulted by that. Ok he's shy..... but that's just how he is and you can't change that. He might of done poorly at Homestory cup but to bring his personality into this is stepping over the line imo. Support him instead of trashing his personality.

Not everyone is a MC, iNcontroL, Grubby etc.


Nobody is trashing his personality.

He didn't win any fans via personality because he didn't cast/do anything to garner attention. He didn't win any fans from his playing because he played terribly. That's what he's saying.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
January 13 2012 21:35 GMT
#215
On January 14 2012 02:17 Lyter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 02:08 mbr2321 wrote:
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!


It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.


Are you seriously trying to say NA is not the weakest server? It has been like that for a long time and every NA pro will agree with it


I guess one could say that SEA is weaker
Waterflow
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden1550 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-13 21:48:56
January 13 2012 21:44 GMT
#216
On January 14 2012 06:26 Skwid1g wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 05:56 Waterflow wrote:
"Losers

HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player."

"Impressing neither with his personality" ... but what does that have to do with how he performed at Homestory cup? That seemed like an insult to me. If i were HerO i would be insulted by that. Ok he's shy..... but that's just how he is and you can't change that. He might of done poorly at Homestory cup but to bring his personality into this is stepping over the line imo. Support him instead of trashing his personality.

Not everyone is a MC, iNcontroL, Grubby etc.


Nobody is trashing his personality.

He didn't win any fans via personality because he didn't cast/do anything to garner attention. He didn't win any fans from his playing because he played terribly. That's what he's saying.


No......

"Impressing neither with his personality"

That is what he's saying. Stop trying to twist it. He's basically saying that HerO didn't impress with his personality because he's shy and introverted. And he knows this. He knows that HerO won't cast any games or do anything crazy. We all know HerO is shy. So i find it highly inappropriate to state the obvious in this case because it isn't needed. The only thing that can come out of this is that HerO reads this and feels offended because it's his personality and he can't do anything about it. It doesn't have anything to do with the game and i don't know why you would write this about a player on your team.

It's like: "HerO...... you should be ashameeeeeeed i rage at you because of your results so i must punish you by talking about your personality!!!!!"

HerO: "sad puppyface.... goes hides in the corner"
Basher_
Profile Joined January 2011
82 Posts
January 13 2012 23:15 GMT
#217
Nice write-up, but, a suggestion:

"Smaller is Baller."

that is all.
Dumboprime
Profile Joined March 2011
985 Posts
January 13 2012 23:51 GMT
#218
nice podcast!
Sawry
Profile Joined January 2012
United States32 Posts
January 14 2012 00:03 GMT
#219
In the spirit of HSC4, this article spotlights a loser. Not at all who I thought would be in that section.
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
January 14 2012 00:04 GMT
#220
It was such a great tournament, much props to all who made it possible. Nice wrap-up too.
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Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
January 14 2012 01:01 GMT
#221
You really wrote ClouD is GoOdy's nemesis!? wtf it's the other way round. Nerchio is GoOdy's nemesis

"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
SeraKuDA
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada343 Posts
January 14 2012 01:29 GMT
#222
On January 14 2012 10:01 Leviance wrote:
You really wrote ClouD is GoOdy's nemesis!? wtf it's the other way round. Nerchio is GoOdy's nemesis




Just gotta say that's technically not, "the other way around".
Tommeeh
Profile Joined November 2010
Norway10 Posts
January 14 2012 01:51 GMT
#223
On January 14 2012 10:01 Leviance wrote:
You really wrote ClouD is GoOdy's nemesis!? wtf it's the other way round. Nerchio is GoOdy's nemesis


Let's just clear this up.

Goody is Cloud's nemesis. Goody always beats Cloud.
Nerchio is Goody's nemesis. Nerchio always beats Goody.

Only thing missing is Cloud starting to destroy Nerchio, make it happen!
In the name of Terran, of Zerg and Protoss, APM
Enhancer_
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada320 Posts
January 14 2012 03:47 GMT
#224
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote:
you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.

great article guys!

Agreed. Plenty of other things he's written that I've enjoyed, just not this. He's great.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
January 14 2012 04:33 GMT
#225
Enjoyed the read, and especially the Cloud podcast.
Cloud's an amazing real person who doesn't fear to speak his mind, respect for that.
wat
Invoker
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium686 Posts
January 14 2012 06:22 GMT
#226
hasuobs really looks like sheldon
There is no fate, but what we make.
lazy-jay
Profile Joined June 2011
10 Posts
January 14 2012 07:30 GMT
#227
Well done!!

What a pity White-ra cancelled...
drumsetjunky
Profile Joined May 2011
United States136 Posts
January 14 2012 08:16 GMT
#228
It was a great tournament showcasing what small tourneys should be all about.
I really enjoyed Grubby's casting.
I feel that iNcontroL's casting brought more legitimacy to some of the odd casting pairs. Although he didn't post good results he really shined on the casting couch. I don't know if the "treading water" label fits considering his quality casting.
I'm probably one of the few that thought that the MC-MKP casting was cute the first go around but afterwards just was overall boring. I don't get why Cloud got so much hate regarding his casting...it was better than MC-MKP IMO....
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Zazu21
Profile Joined June 2011
United States14 Posts
January 14 2012 08:43 GMT
#229
MC and MKP were the funniest casts alive. Just saying
YO!
S2Lunar
Profile Joined June 2011
1051 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 09:38:08
January 14 2012 09:36 GMT
#230
Waxangels write up here was pretty bad in my opinon, compared to the others.

I disagreed with him on who should be on the win list. Grubby performed better than any foreigner at the tournament, and was incredibly close to beating sound, his performance wasn't really noted much on the win list, just mainly how good he was at casting, why would you wish him to go to casting when he is showing some of the most promise of any players in Europe right now.

ViOlet was also incredibly impressive and you'd be hard pressed to find faults in his play, i was really shocked to not see him mentioned either.

Also, the MoMan-incontrol jab was just unnecessary.,
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
January 14 2012 10:06 GMT
#231
On January 14 2012 18:36 Toppp wrote:
Grubby performed better than any foreigner at the tournament, and was incredibly close to beating sound, his performance wasn't really noted much on the win list, just mainly how good he was at casting, why would you wish him to go to casting when he is showing some of the most promise of any players in Europe right now.

Also, the MoMan-incontrol jab was just unnecessary.,



I like Grubby as does everybody else but still best foreigner at HSC 4?
He did well and showed nice games but Dimaga and Nerchio imho were a level above him.
Bio-Leera
Profile Joined May 2010
United States65 Posts
January 14 2012 10:47 GMT
#232
graphics are looking slicker. Keep up the good work.
metho
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany28 Posts
January 14 2012 11:48 GMT
#233
As Mr. Bitter said HSC4 was hands down the best major tournament in 2012 so far . Great write- up. Personally I would add Ret to the losers as well. I really expected a lot more from him given that he trainend (and streamed) a lot before the tournament. Maybe the lesson learned is that you don't play NA ladder in preparation for a tournament.
Dexx
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany175 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-14 12:33:56
January 14 2012 12:33 GMT
#234
I have a feeling that Grubby is on his way up and will shine in 2012. Watch out for him!

I would like to include Mr. Bitter in the winners list. He wasn't a player but he always filled a gap when there was downtime or another caster was needed. He was there from the very beginning to the end for 15 hours each day without any sign of slowing down or lack of interst. Any employee would love this kind of dedication. The same goes for Rotterdam. But in contrast to Mr. Bitter, Rotterdam sometimes while not on purpose overstepped the thin line of being funny and rude (eg Mr. Bitters girl friend thing).

Cloud was great! Thank you, but please post some results, you are one of the most deserving players to have a breakthrough moment. DO NOT CHOKE!

Great casters: HasuObs and NightEnd! Hasu always tried to incorporate shy guys with questions and gave some beautiful insight, while NightEnd was always right on the money, even when Hasu had it wrong.
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
January 14 2012 13:00 GMT
#235
Cool write up, brings back some memories. Props to you sir
I got five reasons for you to shut up
ishboh
Profile Joined October 2010
United States954 Posts
January 14 2012 14:17 GMT
#236
dat stephano pic!
LostFaction
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal80 Posts
January 14 2012 14:17 GMT
#237
I think the only looser in HSC4 is Wax Article.
The imature level and trivial content in it made it hard for me to read, it's just ridiculous and very bad written.
Obviously Grubby, Cloud etc. deserves a spot in the so called "Winners", but you fail to pin point one of the most important things: Take and the HSC Crew. If you want to promote ESports, tournaments and the Game, you cannot simply put "Like, Duh." it is really childish but oh well, it might be easier to mention Moman like you did?
You speak of "Marketing", yet you downgrade the image of people in your post. Not to mention the part you gathered all the casters and branded them as "Anyone who casted". You fail yet again to even mention their names.
As for Hero thing i would just say, like you did.."Like, duh". Maybe (MAYBE) you will understand it....or not. I might pick the second option.

BENFICA
Drunkface
Profile Joined November 2010
United States46 Posts
January 14 2012 14:49 GMT
#238
"I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."

when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.
"Maybe because my face look like ugly?"-DongRaeGu when asked why he doesn't have a girlfriend.
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
January 14 2012 16:07 GMT
#239
you forgot one more big time winner imho.
Take for showing us again that he produces some of the best tournaments in the world!
I think all players felt really good there and werent dissapointed with tight schedules or things like that!
Synwave
Profile Joined July 2009
United States2803 Posts
January 14 2012 16:50 GMT
#240
On January 14 2012 23:49 Drunkface wrote:
"I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."

when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.


He did last year with the infamous "penix imba" comments, was quite funny. I believe at least one of the times was at IEM3 on stage. Could be wrong my memory is a bit fuzzy, I just know it was at one of the big tournies.
♞Nerdrage is the cause of global warming♞
7mk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Germany10157 Posts
January 14 2012 16:52 GMT
#241
On January 14 2012 23:49 Drunkface wrote:
"I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."

when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.


he does it all the time.. "stalker, imba".. "blink , imba" "forcefieldu, imba!"
Do you think hes serious about these things or what
beep boop
TypeLex
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany62 Posts
January 14 2012 17:58 GMT
#242
Nice read, well written.
We'll do our best to bring high performances from ReaL
In memory of Type Gaming www.typesc.net
Arjaay
Profile Joined January 2012
Scotland6 Posts
January 14 2012 18:16 GMT
#243
I do love the feel of Homestory and how it goes back to the days just getting people round to the house for a tournament. But I still think we should stick with keeping eSports looking professional in its own right and NOT have casters drinking at the casting table. Don't agree with alcohol being on their desk and them being drunk while casting. Took away a bit from certain casts, sure its great fun for them but some of the casting was poor. On the other hand some of the casting was amazing MC and MKP and other casting combinations, but sometimes they just went too far in my opinion. FYI im not saying they shouldnt be allowed a drink at the bar, of course they can just that if you are casting dont be drunk and do not drink while casting, think it makes esports look a bit less serious, love the story behind this tournament and how take has brought it through, like esports should be run by gamers for gamers <3
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
January 14 2012 19:26 GMT
#244
This was a really nice start to the year and the article is well-written as always. :-)
Neelia
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany599 Posts
January 14 2012 21:21 GMT
#245
On January 15 2012 01:50 Synwave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2012 23:49 Drunkface wrote:
"I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."

when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.


He did last year with the infamous "penix imba" comments, was quite funny. I believe at least one of the times was at IEM3 on stage. Could be wrong my memory is a bit fuzzy, I just know it was at one of the big tournies.


It was @NASL S1 finals after his games against SeleCT I think?
weedhydra
Profile Joined October 2011
28 Posts
January 14 2012 22:54 GMT
#246
Good read.
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
January 14 2012 23:11 GMT
#247
For those looking for the VODs, check out the liquipedia page for links to ESL TV.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
January 15 2012 00:21 GMT
#248
switch to being a caster (a career decision EG.HuK might endorse if he were Grubby's manager)

lol was that some kind of reference to something funny
or just straight up calling Huk out for leaving Liquid
+ Show Spoiler +
hope its the second one
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
January 15 2012 01:09 GMT
#249
Love the I Love Liquipedia pictures with the progamers. I truly do love Liquipedia, just like they do.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
sotaporo
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland195 Posts
January 15 2012 01:40 GMT
#250
North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America.

this made me laugh most. its funny because its true....
BlueBoxSC
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States582 Posts
January 15 2012 01:53 GMT
#251
Watched HSCIV, and I loved every minute of it.

I don't think you can really classify anyone as being a loser.
BwCBlueBox.837
quakerix
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands172 Posts
January 15 2012 02:03 GMT
#252
The Cloud interview is I think one of the best ever done. So much insight from the broodwar perspective, so honest, open and direct. And good questions.

gj
e-Sports freelancer
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
January 15 2012 03:25 GMT
#253
That HerO sum up made me cry a little inside.
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
January 15 2012 06:15 GMT
#254
On January 15 2012 09:21 Abrafred wrote:
Show nested quote +
switch to being a caster (a career decision EG.HuK might endorse if he were Grubby's manager)

lol was that some kind of reference to something funny
or just straight up calling Huk out for leaving Liquid
+ Show Spoiler +
hope its the second one


It's about the caster / player controversy from some time ago.
wat
ftjust
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden43 Posts
January 15 2012 10:48 GMT
#255
awesome!
DMII
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany92 Posts
January 15 2012 11:09 GMT
#256
HOWEVER, the nation had to suffer the shame of having a Barcraft broadcast from an Irish pub.

Having a barcraft is winning. Period. There never is shame involved in having a barcraft.
All is fair in love and war. Starcraft is both.
CraZyWayne
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany357 Posts
January 15 2012 13:17 GMT
#257
Good read. Among other things especially the last line made me smile.
"tahts halo. dont worry"
kinkulaattori
Profile Joined November 2011
Finland25 Posts
January 15 2012 22:32 GMT
#258
the naama drunkface was the biggest winner in this post. Naama for trainconductor!
DJSub
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia261 Posts
January 16 2012 06:57 GMT
#259
I would just like to add, since there is no mention at all about good manner MKP asking for re-game when his game vs Violet disconnected. Doesn't matter what the players' positions were when the dc happened, that coming from a pro is very respectable.
thurst0n
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States611 Posts
January 17 2012 00:04 GMT
#260
Great write up overall! Awesome tournament, truly fun to watch. I think the small feeling isn't quite hitting the proverbial nail, I believe more important is that you can tell the players are truly enjoying themselves.

LOSER=Blizzard: LAN MODE.
QFT!

I'm a bit perturbed by the fact that you argue NA is treading water when I could easily argue NA was not truly represented by our best.
P.S. I'm nub. If you'd like you can follow me @xthurst but its not worth it ill be honest
Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-17 06:52:46
January 17 2012 04:38 GMT
#261
On January 17 2012 09:04 thurst0n wrote:
Great write up overall! Awesome tournament, truly fun to watch. I think the small feeling isn't quite hitting the proverbial nail, I believe more important is that you can tell the players are truly enjoying themselves.

Show nested quote +
LOSER=Blizzard: LAN MODE.
QFT!

I'm a bit perturbed by the fact that you argue NA is treading water when I could easily argue NA was not truly represented by our best.


That's the problem though, the NA talent pool is so amazingly shallow that if HuK and IdrA don't go, then NA didn't get represented.
femFxNudge
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands14 Posts
January 22 2012 00:29 GMT
#262
OMG Pholon!! you linked me <3 that is soo awesome lol!! just saw it!! great write up.. you described it excelent how the atmosphere was!! certainly if you compare like friday night to sunday... but it was awesome!! Also being there with you there guys!! Thanks ♥♥

Next time, more beer!!

♥♥xx♥♥

FemFXNudge
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