HomeStory Cup is my favorite weekend tournament. That's not an uncommon opinion, even with so many great options out there. Europeans tend to rally behind Dreamhack, and Americans around MLG, but HomeStory Cup is a tournament that everyone loves. It's not just the spectators, it's the players too. HomeStory Cup had barely any negativity going into or coming out of it; it was a tournament that almost unanimously generated positive feelings.
From an online viewer's standpoint, HomeStory Cup provided great stream quality, and most importantly, an amazing opportunity to get closer to the players. A lot of people will tell you that the biggest thing they took away from Homestory Cup was their enjoyment of MarineKing and MC's casting. The fact of the matter is that fans can't get enough of their favorite players; whether they are talking about game balance, other players, or their personal lives. I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can.
If other tournaments provided half as much player focused content as HomeStory did, it would go a long way to filling fans' desires for more of anything pro-gamer related. Moments like Moman trolling through the window, MC's jaw-dropping dancing ability, and Destiny talking poker are things that we could never see at any other tournament. Content like that helps everyone. Us fans fill our stalker-like needs, players get more fans, and the tournaments get those extra fans as viewers.
From what I read in Pholon's blog, and the video I saw streamed from the bar downstairs, the 'live' experience seemed absolutely amazing. The fans got to watch from the comfort of a local bar, enjoying great food and great Starcraft. Better yet, the pro-gamers would come downstairs to mingle and party with the fans as well. For its small audience, it sounds like HomeStory has figured out how to give them the perfect experience by holding a kind of ultimate Barcraft. From the rave reviews Barcrafts around the world are getting, I'm sure other tournaments are aware of the great tournament viewing experience Barcraft provides. Maybe it's time for other tournaments to start trying to incorporate certain aspects seen at HSC. HSC has the advantage of having a truly tiny crowd compared to other major tournaments, but it doesn't mean there isn't room for some innovation. IPL3 already managed to serve beer inside the venue, and I assume that went over very well with the fans. What if we promise to stop harassing pro-gamers on the way to the bathroom, and you give us a more interesting way to interact with them than a 20 minute signing session?
On that note, HomeStory offered what looked like the best environment possible for the players. There seemed to be no logistical worries on the player's side, or swarming fans adding stress at undesired moments. The players got to relax or train as much as they wanted, and could head downstairs to get bombarded by a ton of eager fans if they felt the desire. MLG in particular, could learn a lesson about giving players their space. It ensures both that a fan's experiences with a player are always positive, and that players are always performing at their highest level. (Of course, all that could just be a carefully constructed illusion by the production crew. There might have been all sorts of illicit activities going on behind the scenes to keep everyone smiling. Seriously Moman, you looked really really happy.)
I think that if the almost unanimous love for HomeStory Cup says anything, it is that Starcraft 2 fans love the feel of a small tournament. While larger tournaments like MLG and Dreamhack shouldn't make their tournaments smaller, that doesn't mean that they can't feel smaller. E-sports fans want to feel like they're really a part of something, not just onlookers at a spectacle, separated by an invisible wall. When it comes to Starcraft 2 tournaments, smaller is better; learn from HomeStory Cup, it's the best bang-for-the-buck tournament out there.
Though HomeStory Cup is over, we just couldn't get enough of what the players had to say. Given the opportunity to speak their minds to the masses, the players both entertained and dropped some serious knowledge. Also, compared to the typical political correctness that most organizers and casters are bound to, the raw honest of the players was a refreshing treat.
Though many players were stars at HomeStory Cup, but we decided to bring on Italy's champion and Goody's arch-nemesis in Carlo "ClouD" Giannacco of team Alternate Attax. As you should know from that time he called out organizers about late prize payouts to players, ClouD's not afraid to speak his mind.
We talked to ClouD about a variety of topics, including his experience as a player and caster at HomeStory Cup, the Korea-World divide, the fairness of caster/player pay, and the love/hate relationship with Starcraft II for ex-Brood War pros. Needless to say, it was quite interesting and entertaining.
Recorded on January 11th, 2012
Downstairs
by: Pholon
Take's place with the pub below it ...and on the inside
Driving into the near-derelict streets of Krefeld town wasn't the most appealing of experiences; the buildings are looming and industrial, while the city's center was nearly deserted on the Saturday night we spent there. The "Limericks" pub makes up for it though. The hostess is warm, the waitresses friendly, and strings of holiday lights illuminate faded Irish newspapers & placards lining the walls, giving the place a cozy feeling long into the night. The food is excellent, shamrocks are drawn in the head of every pint of Guinness, and the Irish coffee is superb.
MKP and MC being interviewed by German documentary makers.
The view from below
When we arrived, it was clear that things were progressing so well that we might be physically unable to fit through the door. The place was packed to the rafters, with the atmosphere that only a crowded pub at the height of an event can bring. As we squeezed our way to the bar, it was clear that everyone was friendly and in a good mood, with talk of Starcraft on everyone's lips.
The gamers and casters started trickling down into the street just as the Goody vs Cloud series began (coincidence?) to hang out, sign some posters and take some pictures. As the tournament ran deeper into the night, the bar quieted down, downstairs excursions from the pros became more and more commonplace (as did their inebriation), and as the playday drew to a close TaKe took crew and the SC fans all to a club for some afterpartying.
Sunday morning we met the ever friendly, ever busy Take. He made it obvious that he was having a good time and appreciated the effort from the fans to make it out there. Sunday was remarkably quiet by comparison. The pub's attendance had dwindled down to perhaps two thirds of what it had been the previous day, but the new found room to move and breathe was a welcome change of pace. As is often noted during European tournaments, there was a distinct lack of cheerfuls (which we promptly remedied). I wonder when events are going to start handing out blanks and markers...
The highlight of the live experience was Dimaga's series against JYP. The Ukrainian Zerg entered the series as the last foreign hope who has spent a good part of the last three days with his fans. Rallied by his doppelganger Carmac’s zealous cheers, the crowd moved as one in support of their drinking buddy.
DIMAGAAAAA
The series was nothing short of awesome. With everyone rooted to the floor and all eyes nailed to the screen, the tension in the room was even more suffocating than the throng of fans from the other night. The series held the crowd in awe for what felt like several hours but, after some nerve-wracking moments, Dimaga tapped out 1-3. Carmac loped upstairs to fetch Dima, who received a standing ovation for his efforts. He lost the game, but he won our hearts.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-0Kqtwfcjw
With the last foreigner out, people started to leave and things quieted down considerably. With a 3.5 hour drive ahead of us on a Sunday night, we left after the first semifinal. Damn you real life, why can't you accommodate yourself to ESPORTS?
The venue was nothing short of phenomenal, the crowd was amazing, and the games were spectacular. What can I say? I'm looking forward to HSC5 already.
Pictures by the amazing Jeroen "Weiman" Weimar. Much love <3
"Progamers <3 Liquipedia" thanks to Squavelon and BronzeBas
Memorable Moments from HSC4
by: whatthefat
Though the antics from the broadcast couch might have been the easiest thing to notice HomeStory Cup IV, the tournament provided exciting games worthy of the excellent players assembled to compete. Here are three memorable games from the tournament that caught our attention for one reason or another.
Dimaga vs. DarKFoRcE, Round of 16, Game 1, Metalopolis.
One of the games of the tournament would have to be the round of 16 clash between Dimaga and DarKFoRcE. With both players badly needing to win the best of 3 to progress, the first game saw fireworks go off. Both players expanded early, sticking with a ling/bane composition. Off-stream, DarKFoRcE took an early lead, after getting into Dimaga's main and killing 14 workers.
The mobile army of DarKFoRcE allowed him to continue droning up and take an early third, while Dimaga teched to roaches and tried to consolidate his position. When DarKFoRcE destroyed Dimaga's just completed third with zerglings, Dimaga's position seemed hopeless.
Seeing a wall of 6 spine crawlers at DarKFoRcE's natural and no roaches on the field, Dimaga correctly reasoned that DarKFoRcE was teching to mutas. And it was here that Dimaga hatched an inspired plan. Realizing he was too far behind to continue into a macro game, he gave up all hope of taking a third, and instead devoted his efforts to mustering up the scariest possible two-base army. This was not a remarkable decision in itself; what made it remarkable was the composition he decided to employ. First, he used his gas to get infestors rather than hydras. He then sunk his minerals into constant queen production, with any remaining resources going into roaches and upgrades.
It was a bizarre and incredible sight to see Dimaga's army slow march down the map, planting creep tumors as it went. At this point, most viewers had their heads tilted on a slight angle and were struggling to imagine just how this fight was going to play out.
Expecting a standard hydra/roach composition, DarKFoRcE had made banelings. But they had no suitable targets in Dimaga's army, and were completely nullified by fungal growth.
What had looked like a dead-lost position for Dimaga just minutes ago turned into a complete rout of DarKFoRcE's ill-prepared army. With transfuses whooshing away, the queens quickly melted the mutalisk resistance.
With queens now forming an Occupy DarKFoRcE's Main movement, DarKFoRcE had little choice but to gg. It was an unbelievable situation, and the feed went justifiably crazy. Would a base trade have been a better option for DarKFoRcE? Maybe. Should he have changed his composition to roaches once he had such a comfortable lead? Probably. But it didn't change how impressive Dimaga's turnaround was.
Dimaga vs. JYP, Round of 8, Game 1, Dual Sight.
Being one of the only two foreigners left standing in the round of 8, Dimaga looked like he might be the hero of the tournament. Unfortunately, it was not to be. Having looked powerful and inspired on day 3, Dimaga's play against JYP was frankly inscrutable. Time and again, he seemed to build towards killer blows... that were never delivered.
Of all the games in the series, the first was the most bizarre. It was in fact so bizarre, that despite it being only January, I am confident in declaring it one of the most bizarre games of 2012.
First off, Dimaga decided that the incredible death ball with which he defeated DarKFoRcE was so much fun that it was worth repeating in a ZvP. So he built queens. Lots of them.
This had the added benefit of refuting JYP's stargate play, but I'm pretty sure Dimaga had his heart set on mass queens no matter what JYP was doing.
Soon enough, the insane creep spread had reached JYP's base, and Dimaga, now maxed, began his slow and steady march across the map. Unfortunately for Dimaga, queens are unable to crush forcefields (Blizzard patch please), and JYP was able to stand his ground at the third base.
When the dust settled, JYP was left with the stronger army, but Dimaga looked comfortable on 4 bases. Here, Dimaga made the decision in pumping out infestors and corruptors as defense while he teched to brood lords, since JYP was already on double robo, and a rather frightening stalker/colossus ball was beginning to coalesce.
At this point, JYP got a little over eager in his tumor hunting, and a major engagement occurred.
Both sides took heavy losses, but JYP's remaining forces were enough to destroy Dimaga's fourth while he waited for the brood lords to hatch.
The tables had now turned, with JYP taking the economic advantage of four bases to three, and Dimaga holding the scarier army. A poorly judged blink resulted in JYP's army evaporating, and suddenly Dimaga led in supply 170-100.
JYP managed to buy some vital seconds with DT harassment, but it was quickly dealt with, and Dimaga, now maxed was ready to pull the trigger and crush JYP. But he didn't. He just sat there.
This passivity in response to light harassment was to become a theme throughout the series, and spelled Dimaga's ultimate downfall. In this instance, it allowed JYP to take the one chance he had left...
A Mothership.
After a phase of heavy maneuvering, JYP forced an encounter, and successfully archon toileted most of the brood lords.
For his part, Dimaga managed to destroy the colossi and void rays, leaving JYP with a purely stalker force. With Dimaga pumping out 13 infestors, neither side was able to engage in the short term.
At this point, the game entered what I shall call the rope-a-dope phase. Dimaga - once vortexed, twice shy - decided to turtle. And I mean really turtle. Sitting in the bottom corner at his last mining base, he built a quadrillion spine crawlers, massed a ludicrous number of infestors and brood lords, and then he just sat there. For 20 minutes.
JYP poked from time to time, looking for a good angle to engage, but Dimaga just continued lying against the ropes. With the map almost completely mined out, the game became equal parts fascinating and boring. As the commentators aptly stated: "I'm not sure how Dima's gonna win this game. I'm not sure how he's gonna lose either."
Eventually, JYP slipped up, allowing his void rays to become separated from the rest of his army, and Dimaga pounced.
JYP was forced to engage in an unfavorable position, and Dimaga, through brilliance or dumb luck, was able to deliver the long awaited knock out blow.
MC vs. JYP, Semi Final, Games 5 and 6, Metalopolis.
The Protoss President and EG's latest acquisition took the second Semi Final down to the absolute wire. With the best of 5 tied up at 2-2, everything came down to this game on Metalopolis.
Spawning close by air, JYP opted for a 1 gate robo, going up to 3 gates, while MC opened with his trusty 4 gate. By forcefielding the ramp and picking off the zealot that would be used for vision, JYP was able to hold MC's assault until his immortal arrived, and MC was forced to waddle his stalkers home and start his own robo.
Seemingly far ahead, JYP made the interesting decision to go for robo bay and colossus, while MC threw down a twilight council for blink. Crucially, MC also made a warp prism to open counterattacking options.
With a colossus out, JYP threw caution to the wind, and charged towards MC's base, even bringing most of his probes.
MC recognized that he had zero chance in a straight up fight, and so immediately blinked outside his base to begin a base trade. He also had the presence of mind to pick up 8 probes in the warp prism; but not the presence of mind to make them return their resources to the Nexus first, leaving him stuck at 390 minerals.
With both players' bases in pieces, and neither with enough minerals to build a new Nexus, we had a crazy game in front of us. MC had the more mobile army, and slightly higher resource count, whereas JYP had the stronger army in a straight up fight.
At this point, MC offered a draw, to which JYP responded "wait". As both players started to look for a solution, JYP managed to catch MC's warp prism drop, while MC caught JYP's colossus out of position.
JYP managed to build a new assimilator just as his last building was destroyed, and the two players continued in their valiant attempt to give iNcontroL a heart attack.
Finally, with JYP left needing to defend his final assimilator, both players agreed to a draw.
The rematch on Metalopolis had the players spawning in cross positions. Both players opted for a 2 gate robo into twilight council. MC went for almost pure stalkers and delayed his blink while he went up to 4 gateways, whereas JYP built a single immortal and got slightly earlier blink while staying on 3 gateways.
Now in one of those goddawful PvP positions where daring to go beyond one base seems like suicide, MC boldly planted a Nexus.
On spotting this heresy, JYP instantly started towards MC's base. With a necessarily smaller army, MC would need to use every ounce of his considerable talent to survive.
JYP blinked his stalkers into the main, but on seeing MC's immortal decided to blink his way back out.
Here began a complex micro battle. MC managed to trap JYP's immortal with some extremely cute forcefields, while JYP forcefielded the ramp to prevent MC's army from defending his newly completed Nexus.
MC was having none of it, and blinked his stalkers onto the low ground to flank JYP's army. With JYP's stalkers wasting valuable shots on the Nexus, MC crushed through to take the series 3-2.
Showing his class, MC had achieved a spot in the Final. And he sure as hell didn't waste it.
Winners and Losers of HomeStory Cup
by: WaxAngel
In the spirit of HomeStory Cup, this winner and loser ranking will take into account both in-game and out of game performances. Also in the spirit of HomeStory Cup, it will be unprofessionally irreverent in certain parts.
Big Time Winners:
Grubby: At HSC4, Grubby got to show over fifty thousand Starcraft II fans that he's a top tier commentator. Not only was the Warcraft III legend a natural on the mic, but he demonstrated a deep understanding of the game that we rarely ever get from the current bunch of 'top tier' casters. If he wanted to switch to being a caster (a career decision EG.HuK might endorse if he were Grubby's manager), I'm sure this kind of impressive performance would convert to a future value of more than the $7,500 first place prize at HSC4. I kind of wish he would, too, so the current batch of casters would be forced to up their performances.
On the other side of things, Grubby had some good in-game performances as well. Though he's already had bigger success in smaller tournaments (notably, the one he organized himself), this was his first good showing in a major tournament with a massive viewership.
With HSC4, Grubby further increased his status with the hardcore fans familiar with him from the War3 scene, and won over a ton of new fans to whom Starcraft II is their first ESPORT. The winner among winners.
Cloud: Cloud also killed it on the mic, just not on Grubby's "I'm applying for your f***ing job, Artosis" level. With a perfect mixture of casual storytelling, in-game analysis, and friendly ribbing, Cloud was probably the caster most in tune with the overall atmosphere at HomeStory Cup. In a tournament where any foreigner was lucky to improve his reputation a pure Starcraft player, his RO16 finish and impressive showing against MC did him a lot of good as well.
MoMan: Europe's iNcontrol? I'll leave it to other people to fight over who that's more insulting to and move on.
Delphi: After MC, the only other champion at HSC IV with a first place finish at the $1,000 Poker tournament. Also, he beat MKP. Not bad, not bad.
The Cabinet: MKP's tournament performance was disappointing, and MC's first place was essentially expected by a lot of viewers.
It didn't matter. Two of the most popular Korean players somehow gained even MORE popularity by virtue of their uproariously off the cuff casting performance. Alongside them, the behind the scenes man for SK gaming and Own3d, SK.Reis also got his chance to come out of the shadows as part of this hilarious casting trio (Bi-lingual listeners will have enjoyed his occasional interjections in Korean).
A litany of Terran imbalance complaints, mispronounced Starcraft II terminology, and some licentious dancing moves were some of the highlights of their performance. For sheer entertainment value, it would be worth going back and watching some of the games casted by this trio.
Twitch.TV: For a measly sum of $5,000, Twitch.TV bought yet more good-will from the community. On a less cynical note, they're also a gigantic winner for rescuing us from ESL.TV's terrible, terrible VOD page.
Take and the HSC crew: Like, duh.
Sort of Winners
Anyone who casted: As long as you get to cast a game, there's really no way to lose in HomeStoryCup. Winning tournaments is great, but just getting your personality out there is a good way to increase your marketability as a player. Though not everyone made the most of it, casting at HSC was still an awesome way for a lot of lesser known pros to get some kind of exposure.
When you think about how pros who decide to turn on their mics start to get stream viewers disproportionate to the number of trophies they've won, I wonder why the mic and webcam aren't default on pro-gamer streams. Progamers casting at HSC were all fairly good on the mic, and they were all capable of dropping some serious knowledge. Continuing with vanilla, featureless streams seems like a wasted opportunity for a lot of the guys. In Reddit speak: ShutSpeak up and take our money.
CARMAGA: Stupid memes are a great way to increase your profile in the SC II community, but I'll be surprised if this one has the lasting popularity of timeless classics such as "Grack" and "Top 3 Control."
Germany: Socke and HasuObs were solid as casters. Goody defeated his arch-nemesis Cloud 2-0. Darkforce came in 2nd place at the poker table. HOWEVER, the nation had to suffer the shame of having a Barcraft broadcast from an Irish pub. Overall, the pros outweigh the cons, though, and we'll give Germany a minor win.
JYP, Real, Sound and Violet: Unless you win GSL championships, it's really hard to stand out as a Korean – whether you're training in Korea or have traveled abroad to pursue better opportunities. It doesn't matter if you fly to a foreign tournament, play really well, and beat a lot of good players, because that's what Koreans are supposed to do in the eyes of foreigners. Just look at SlayerS_Ganzi, FXOLucky, or oGsTheStC. For their good play and high finishes, I don't think Real, Sound, or Violet will have left long lasting impressions in the minds of fans (at least JYP can go play in Code S). Still, it's better than nothing. They will command our respect for at least the short term future, and it might be a base to build upon with future tournament success.
Treading Water
iNcontrol & Destiny: The Incontrol and Destiny experience went pretty much as expected. They told funny stories, half the viewers failed to understand their sarcastic humor, and they didn't get out of their groups. A solid performance from two of NA's biggest entertainers, but nothing ground-breaking.
North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?
Losers
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.
Blizzard: LAN MODE.
Writers: confusedcrib, Pholon, Waxangel and whatthefat. Graphics: alteredclone and shiroiusagi. Photos: Jeroen "Weiman" Weimar. Editors: SirJolt and Waxangel. Podcast audio technician: R1CH.
I would have put Bling in the big winners section, yeah other people casted, but I don't think many people knew who he was before the tourney and he was one of the most talked about people during the event.
Very nice read. It's really surprising how little negative things I can find about Homestorycup... in fact, I can't think of anything. Just a really really good tournament!
The thought of going back to "normal" commentary makes me sad
"North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?"
You got me with this one LOL! :D
To Hero's performance: It may be disappointing to those, who just did follow his way since dreamhack, but in my oppinion he got massively overhyped after his thin dreamhack win over Puma. He did perform well there, yes, but he was hyped up to be the best protoss in the world afterwards. And that was way too much. So it's also way too much to call him the only loser of HSC4. Yes he underperformed a little bit. But he took his Ro32 group convincingly and barely lost in a very strong Ro16 group. He might have the claim to reach Ro8 at least in this tournament, but that's not how SC2 works. This game has an affinity to upsets, and those things will happen all the time. (look at Supernova in his recent Code S group). I would call him a clear loser if he had gone out 0-3 on the first day, but that did not happen. So don't be too harsch on the kid, He is talented, but still needs to improve. He is not on the highest level yet, so he can definately lose to one of the best Zergs in Europe Nerchio and the very very good ZvPer violet. No real shame on that!
Sadly there are some serious mistakes in the article. 1) The one trolling through the window was Dimaga not Moman. 2) Cloud isn't Goody's arch-nemesis. Its the other way around. For Goody Cloud is a free win (you don't call a arch-nemesis a free win). Thats why Goody is Cloud's arch-nemesis - cause he always wins against him.
I think most ppl didnt recognized this, but Incontrol is a huge winner of HSC4. In most german forums he was said to be one of the most entertaining and awesomest guy at the HSC. A lot of germans who didnt know him well (not watching sotg - dunno) didnt like his invite at first. But after the HSC he was one of the most beloved.
There's one thing I'd have to disagree with though:
Twitch.TV: [...] On a less cynical note, they're also a gigantic winner for rescuing us from ESL.TV's terrible, terrible VOD page.
Why the ESL.TV hate? 1. The HSC VODs were up on the ESL.TV page before they were at Twitch, so they did a really good job of giving everyone fast access to the VODs. 2. I don't understand how you can call their page terrible. It certainly has its flaws (for example you could criticize that you can't watch just one specific match), but it's still much more clearly laid out and intuitive than Twitch, Own3d and even MLG. Once you figured it out, MLG may be better, but that's kinda personal taste I'd say. But I usually can't find any VOD I want on either Twitch or Own3d. And even if, that wouldn't make ESL.TV's page terrible. This is not meant to hate on Twitch, their streams are really great and the extra 5k for HSC was an awesome move.
i like the article but i think goody and bling are worthy of mentioning as specific winners too. bling got a huge amount of exposure and new popularity and goody got to new levels how the fuck can he keep doing this
Twitch.TV: [...] On a less cynical note, they're also a gigantic winner for rescuing us from ESL.TV's terrible, terrible VOD page.
Why the ESL.TV hate? 1. The HSC VODs were up on the ESL.TV page before they were at Twitch, so they did a really good job of giving everyone fast access to the VODs. 2. I don't understand how you can call their page terrible. It certainly has its flaws (for example you could criticize that you can't watch just one specific match), but it's still much more clearly laid out and intuitive than Twitch, Own3d and even MLG. Once you figured it out, MLG may be better, but that's kinda personal taste I'd say. But I usually can't find any VOD I want on either Twitch or Own3d. And even if, that wouldn't make ESL.TV's page terrible. This is not meant to hate on Twitch, their streams are really great and the extra 5k for HSC was an awesome move.
Look who is the team sponsor.... On the topic. Finding vods of HSC on twitch was harder than browsing esl.tv vod page. People were giving vod links here on forum cause they just didn't show on HSC twitch channel. Also no vods for stream 2 (dunno if they uploaded them finnaly) but even on third day we had some twich vods from stream 1 and ZERO vods from stream 2 from previous days. And i really want to rewatch Stephano and Dimaga "KILL KILL KILL KILL" and "WELCOME TO EUROPE" vod...
No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.
I really laughed at this: "North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?" still, much love everyone.
On January 13 2012 08:10 ~Maverick~ wrote: No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.
I think it's mostly because how the MC v Nerchio series went. He got raped so bad in his final series the end impression was kind of underwhelming.
it just hurts a little that hasu and socke are described as "solid" casters. Especially Hasu was doing awesome. Way better than Cloud and almost on Grubby's level.
Too hard on Hero. If you were to look at his twitter after he lost, you would have seen how crushed he was already. No need to kick him while he is already down. First people start hyping him as the best Protoss in the world and when he does not meet these expectations, whether at blizzcup or hsc, we think he did poorly. Let's all support the guy for the good player that he is.
There were no players who lost at hsc. Even if they were knocked out the first Round, I'm sure they had a great time and got to show their fans their personality.
Nice write up. (insert a link to "koreans hit 'em moneyz and run" cartoon here) Oh, Dima, Dima, why didn't you spread your army against those vortexes =(( Nah, probably, because you didn't fuel up with WhiteRa's famous shashlyk (barbeque).
On January 13 2012 07:48 Tppz! wrote: I think most ppl didnt recognized this, but Incontrol is a huge winner of HSC4. In most german forums he was said to be one of the most entertaining and awesomest guy at the HSC. A lot of germans who didnt know him well (not watching sotg - dunno) didnt like his invite at first. But after the HSC he was one of the most beloved.
I did know InControl before, but had never seen him cast. While Grubby was great in analysing the game and moderating the commentary, I loved InControl's more empathetic, colorful and funny commentary.
I don't know if they'd fit together, but I'm looking forward to a game casted by Grubby, Incontrol, and MC in HSC V. On second thought, maybe not MC, since he's the star of every commentary. Let's put another American or European in that dream caster group, so that InControl and Grubby have someone to joke with.
Next up: Fantasy Commentator League. Seriously, I can watch a bad game with great commentators, but not the other way around.
Great writeup and nice podcast with Cloud. I find myself agreeing with him - SC2 has a great scene and lots of great events, but the game itself is very lackluster at a high level.
Haha, InControl clearly not happy being called out by Waxangel. Though, I personally thought his casting wasn't too shabby (though, I think the sc community can be more selective as is).
I dont think HerO's part was necessary. He was not in top shape, but why point him out like that especially when we know he's anxious and already pretty harsh towards himself.
I don't know why anyone would expect anything out of Destiny, he never really had any big results, he's just a normal player slowly getting better like anyone else. Hopefully, he'll eventually get up to a really good level, but at the moment I don't think anyone should be dissapointed in lackluster results.
I for one thought incontrol did some of his best casting ever during HSCIV. He had me laughing out loud with some of his sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek criticism of players.
Thanks for the Cloud interview! I'd love if these kind of podcasts became a 'thing', as long as you have interesting guests, I'd listen to one every week.
On January 13 2012 08:10 ~Maverick~ wrote: No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.
I think it's mostly because how the MC v Nerchio series went. He got raped so bad in his final series the end impression was kind of underwhelming.
Still. One of the only 2 foreigners to advance to play-offs. The only foreigner to top a group in 2nd round and author of 2/3 winnings of foreigner against korean. At least sort of winner.
On January 13 2012 08:10 ~Maverick~ wrote: No mention of Nerchio? He beat both violet and Hero, and I think if he didn't meet MC in the first playoff round he could have gotten even farther. Well, hes a winner in my book at least.
I think it's mostly because how the MC v Nerchio series went. He got raped so bad in his final series the end impression was kind of underwhelming.
Still. One of the only 2 foreigners to advance to play-offs. The only foreigner to top a group in 2nd round and author of 2/3 winnings of foreigner against korean. At least sort of winner.
Especially since people still throw around the argument that he "is an online hero and hasn't shown anything in LAN events" or that he "hasn't proven himself yet".
I'm glad we have HSC to fill this niche. This isn't something I want to see all the time, but having an intimate event like this a couple times a year is great. I wasn't planning on watching but when I happened to turn on the stream it happened to be during MKP/MC/Reis time and oh my god was I hooked. MC's complete confidence in the face of hilarious mispronunciations and MKP's timidity in English, often resorting to just calling various Protoss units imba over and over, was so precious.
As a zerg though, I got a little tired of MC calling everyone that played my race a jerk
I think that Incontrol was one of the winners of HSC. His casting was great, especially the JYP vs MC Series with Socke and HasuObs, if I remember correctly. His group was also too strong to really be able to disappoint skill-wise.
I would love to see him at the next Homestorycup, I think he fits perfectly in this kind of tournament.
Overall the tournament was the best I watched so far since the Beta of SC2. I watched a lot of games I normally wouldn't watch in any other tournament, just because of the casting/setting/atmosphere.
On January 13 2012 10:13 obsKura wrote: Wax, in the podcast you promised us the cookie monster emoticon in the article! Where is it, show us please! :D
On January 13 2012 10:13 obsKura wrote: Wax, in the podcast you promised us the cookie monster emoticon in the article! Where is it, show us please! :D
HSC is the coziest tournament by far and offers the best look into player personalities. It was the perfect way to start the year off and I'll be looking forward to the next one. Also, shouldn't bling be a winner there? He was hilarious throughout the weekend.
On January 13 2012 10:12 vdale wrote: I think that Incontrol was one of the winners of HSC. His casting was great, especially the JYP vs MC Series with Socke and HasuObs, if I remember correctly. His group was also too strong to really be able to disappoint skill-wise.
I would love to see him at the next Homestorycup, I think he fits perfectly in this kind of tournament.
Overall the tournament was the best I watched so far since the Beta of SC2. I watched a lot of games I normally wouldn't watch in any other tournament, just because of the casting/setting/atmosphere.
Incontrol definitely had a good tournament, even beating Thorzain in the tournament. The key was that everyone expected so little of him that he exceeded expectations by beating Thorzain and getting 3rd in the group.
On January 13 2012 10:12 vdale wrote: I think that Incontrol was one of the winners of HSC. His casting was great, especially the JYP vs MC Series with Socke and HasuObs, if I remember correctly. His group was also too strong to really be able to disappoint skill-wise.
I would love to see him at the next Homestorycup, I think he fits perfectly in this kind of tournament.
Overall the tournament was the best I watched so far since the Beta of SC2. I watched a lot of games I normally wouldn't watch in any other tournament, just because of the casting/setting/atmosphere.
Incontrol definitely had a good tournament, even beating Thorzain in the tournament. The key was that everyone expected so little of him that he exceeded expectations by beating Thorzain and getting 3rd in the group.
Dude he won ONE match against a player who was already out !
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.
Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!
Great writeup, it truly was an amazing tournament. I don't agree with everything in the Winner's section - Bling is missing, Cloud definitely is too high up, and others aren't mentioned enough - but then again it's only opinions. Excited for HSC5.
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.
Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!
I think you're confusing the TL pro team staff for the team liquid article writers, or even the TLpro writers, which are not the same people.
On January 13 2012 12:54 roronoe wrote: Look at what they wrote about hero, and people still constantly call out TL for bias.
Maybe they are meta-gaming us?
In all seriousness, I think it is a reaction by the writers after the community outcry after the Blizzard Cup preview. In the preview, TL was hyping Hero big-time, but given his great performances at Dreamhack and NASL, I guess many people, TL included, just got carried away by the hype. Anyway, TL predicted that Hero would take 1st in a group of MVP, DRG, MC, and Stephano. Not surprisingly, people started to call bias on TL, especially after Hero's 0-4 performance in that group.
While Hero did get outclassed, he got outclassed by the world's absolute best players, and there is no shame in that. I think now the writers might be a bit gun-shy about over-hyping Hero after that Blizzcup misprediction. But I also do not think they should be calling him a loser in this tournament either.
Don't get me wrong, though. I still think that this was a great review article, and I just find issue with one small segment. I do agree that Blizzard's lack of LAN was a loser in this tournament though...
Good write up. I personally didn't get the same feeling of suspense or excitement from HSC that I do from Dreamhack or MLG...etc. But I did enjoy it for the insight and change of pace.
Really enjoyed the Destiny, Incontrol and TooGood casting but I hope they don't try something like that at MLG.
I had so much fun watching HSC, especially whenever Grubby, Incontrol, MC or MKP were casting. I think Incontrol gets too little credit, having him there doing his thing made it feel like home because I'm so used to seeing him on SOTG and in almost every tournament. I really hope he attends the next one as well.
The part on HerO is somehow hard but in some way right. You can discuss why his performance and overall showing at HSC wasn't that well as any of his fans or TL-Fans may have hoped.
On my side of this (huge fan of him) i'm rly sad but not disappointed. Going out of the tournament so early wasn't good, but what bothered me more was the fact that he didn't show up to give some autographs or take some photos. I've been there on friday and saturday and only saw him for seconds as he was leaving the place with the other koreans to take a break from the flat. i took my chance as they retourned just to get the worst photo ever taken by me (thanks to the photographer who didn't know my cam at this moment). so that was my overall experience of meeting my favourite player i didn't even have the chance to let him sign my mousepad because at this moment i just didn't want him to wait outside of the pub for me to grab it from the inside ... who knew that in the end this whould've been my only chance?
Still <3 u Hyeondeok! more play less travel and you'll be Code S Champ.
Grubby is way to good of player to switch to caster imo! He will be THE top foreigner this year so no reason for him to switch anyway. Also he showed himself before but he just had so much bad luck like being kicked out 2-1 in dreamhack groups and stuf flike that.. and yes, im a fanboy!
My Winners of the HSC: MC - obvious Goody + Cloud - both of them took 2 games off koreans. Goody nearly made it out of his group with 2 top level koreans in it. Nerchio - best foreign player this HSC and winning EVERY bo3 until running into MC. Naama playing on ladder with MoMaN casting - most entertaining thing since... don't remember :D And ofc the viewers.
On January 13 2012 07:47 TeeTS wrote: "North America: HSC4 affirmed the following SC Hierarchy: Koreans > Koreans living outside Korea > Everyone Else > … > … > … > North America. Nonetheless, NA is not a loser, because really, who didn't know that already?"
You got me with this one LOL! :D
To Hero's performance: It may be disappointing to those, who just did follow his way since dreamhack, but in my oppinion he got massively overhyped after his thin dreamhack win over Puma. He did perform well there, yes, but he was hyped up to be the best protoss in the world afterwards. And that was way too much. So it's also way too much to call him the only loser of HSC4. Yes he underperformed a little bit. But he took his Ro32 group convincingly and barely lost in a very strong Ro16 group. He might have the claim to reach Ro8 at least in this tournament, but that's not how SC2 works. This game has an affinity to upsets, and those things will happen all the time. (look at Supernova in his recent Code S group). I would call him a clear loser if he had gone out 0-3 on the first day, but that did not happen. So don't be too harsch on the kid, He is talented, but still needs to improve. He is not on the highest level yet, so he can definately lose to one of the best Zergs in Europe Nerchio and the very very good ZvPer violet. No real shame on that!
There is nothing wrong with HerO as skill, his multi tasking belong to the best in the world also his map awarenes and reaction time is scary to see. It's a mental thing HerO does not look confident, infact i'd say he thinks very little ofhimself as a progamer. Honestly he should learn something from MC in that way, confidence just a blind faith in your self. Mentalproblems is all that there is in holding HerO back, hope it will get better with more time in the spotlight.
I really think real will be bigger soon... for him it was a great chance to make him a name and he gained some good feelings of beeing in the round of 8 ... Think he is one of the clear winner...
Imho JYP is definitly among the winners of the tourney. He introduced himself as an EG member by showing two of the best series in the tournament ( against MC and Dimaga) only loosing to MC and taking third place and a good chunk of price money.
Definitly a very good showing as far as I'm concerned.
HOWEVER, the nation had to suffer the shame of having a Barcraft broadcast from an Irish It isnt as bad as you might think. I can say that we love bars / pubs as long as there is a good atmosphere / drinks :D
On January 13 2012 11:25 Loophole wrote: Nice read. I found the Dimaga cheering thing a little awkward and forced, since someone ran in behind him and was like, look it's Dimaga!!!
You were not in that room during the JYP game, so you have no idea.
nice read, i realy enjoyed HSC but some casters failed, missed attacks and stuff happening. like you sayed, give grubby a pro caster spot he is amazing!!!!!!!!
Having never heard Grubby cast, let alone speak, i tuned into the HSC finals or semis or whatever and heard a fantastic casting trio. The guy leading it was Grubby, i didn't know this. I thought he was a pro. Like... Dutchtosis or something. I was blown away and am now a massive Grubby fan. Late to the party, i know, but my point is he's amazing and i love him.
On January 13 2012 16:02 Kenny_oro wrote: The part on HerO is somehow hard but in some way right. You can discuss why his performance and overall showing at HSC wasn't that well as any of his fans or TL-Fans may have hoped.
On my side of this (huge fan of him) i'm rly sad but not disappointed. Going out of the tournament so early wasn't good, but what bothered me more was the fact that he didn't show up to give some autographs or take some photos. I've been there on friday and saturday and only saw him for seconds as he was leaving the place with the other koreans to take a break from the flat. i took my chance as they retourned just to get the worst photo ever taken by me (thanks to the photographer who didn't know my cam at this moment). so that was my overall experience of meeting my favourite player i didn't even have the chance to let him sign my mousepad because at this moment i just didn't want him to wait outside of the pub for me to grab it from the inside ... who knew that in the end this whould've been my only chance?
Still <3 u Hyeondeok! more play less travel and you'll be Code S Champ.
I don't think Real, Sound, or Violet will have left long lasting impressions in the minds of fans (at least JYP can go play in Code S). Still, it's better than nothing. They will command our respect for at least the short term future, and it might be a base to build upon with future tournament success.
viOLet a "sort of winner", yet he defeats MKP 3-1 and 2-0's HerO and STILL doesn't get ANY applause? If anyone read about this kid's story and how much of his life he's dedicated to even GET to HSC4 let alone any LANs with what's happened, people would give this kid the attention he deserves.
Loved that Blizzard was a loser, but you should probably have added MannerKingPrime to the list of sort of winners for his good times with MC and Reis as well as his jumping up to go ahead and offer a regame to Vi0let despite his good position at the time of Blizzard's derp. (Seriously, can Blizzard just get over it and at least allow a Bnet 2.0 tournament server appliance as part of the official blizzard tourney licensing agreements? Or a special LAN tourney client?!)
Poor Her0. You're good, man - ignore the doubt, and just play!
Nice wrap-up, and the HSC has a great atmosphere - one of the few tourneys I've actually watched (stealthily, of course) from work. :D
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.
Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!
This is good journalism, stop being whining about it. Great job wax keep up the good work.
Grubby did nothing but impress me with his stories of take running around pinching his nipples
Also props go to thorzain, ret, socke (I think it was), who did some amazing chilled casting late on in the tourney. They just sat around how I imagine sc2 players want to sit around, not getting hyper about nothing, not trying too hard to show off funny personalities, just sitting watching the game discussing the implications of scouting someone's robo tech or whatever.
On January 13 2012 08:40 Bagration wrote: Too hard on Hero. If you were to look at his twitter after he lost, you would have seen how crushed he was already. No need to kick him while he is already down. First people start hyping him as the best Protoss in the world and when he does not meet these expectations, whether at blizzcup or hsc, we think he did poorly. Let's all support the guy for the good player that he is.
There were no players who lost at hsc. Even if they were knocked out the first Round, I'm sure they had a great time and got to show their fans their personality.
On January 13 2012 21:32 shell wrote: wow dude, great pictures!
Nice to know that incontrol was there smashing nerd arms haha! Even breaking one ;D
Incontrol is a nice guy can't understand why people always bash the guy!
It was a great tournament, thank you take, the organization and the players!!
LOL - Geoff didn't break anything Please don't get this wrong!
The guy just slipped his ellbow over the table - just look at the wood and the holes in the metal inbetween (maybe he didn't realise where he put his arm because of beeing a bit drunk he just ripped a bit off his skin. I'm sure Geoff whouldn't do anything harming intentional. the picture looks much more dramatic than it really was
Yes, I am a bit biased.. but the fact he was not mentioned at all, also shows some biased.
The guy went there.. with not one person expecting him to reach the 2nd stage. Not only did he do that, but he finished 4th overall. The fact that he went from a virtual unknown into a training camp that has helped him grow as a player and person.. should be a story. Like I said though.. I am a bit biased in that respect.
I don't think Real, Sound, or Violet will have left long lasting impressions in the minds of fans (at least JYP can go play in Code S). Still, it's better than nothing. They will command our respect for at least the short term future, and it might be a base to build upon with future tournament success.
viOLet a "sort of winner", yet he defeats MKP 3-1 and 2-0's HerO and STILL doesn't get ANY applause? If anyone read about this kid's story and how much of his life he's dedicated to even GET to HSC4 let alone any LANs with what's happened, people would give this kid the attention he deserves.
Sigh.
Yeah, he's a winner. Just like Sound. But Wax's point is, that as they are no foreigners, people don't care that much for their result if they don't win it all...
Violet and Sound impressed me the most to be honest. Hero was a disappointment for sure, but so was Thorzain.
Hmm...the review kinda ends on a sour note for me as a HerO fan. I think it's important to note that he did not perform as well as expected but the way it was done just seemed unnecessarily mean. It basically singled out HerO as the only "loser" in the entire tournament (having "Blizzard" doesn't count since that's such a stock answer). Having a real second "loser" would have gone a long way to not leave a bitter taste in my mouth. Especially if the entire review is going to end with it.
I guess I'll just have to try and remember that the rest of it was actually a really good read. Brought back great memories of that weekend.
WaxAngel that's uncalled for. Firstly, Destiny was clearly on tilt after losing that 3rd game to grubby (you know, the one where he was miles ahead and then was harassed to death in a grueling 25+ minute game?). Secondly, iNcontroL beat ThorZaIN, which, granted, may have been due to ThorZaINs tilt after his two previous losses.
What I'm actually disappointed about, though, is your classification of servers. Reinforcing stereotypes is the best way to ensure their accuracy in the future. By reinforcing the stereotype that NA< all other servers, you have taken motivation away from those North American players who are good, but don't invest enough time in StarCraft to become professional. There could be high-master / GM NA players who have enormous potential who don't pursue a career in StarCraft because of the shitty things people say about the NA server.
Great writeup otherwise. I didn't know whatthefat was a TL writer. Congrats! I love your work :D
I like how if you click on Ret's "I love liquipedia" photo it shows an enlarged picture of Ret, and if you click on Destiny's photo it also shows a picture of Ret. Ulterior motives?
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
Are you seriously trying to say NA is not the weakest server? It has been like that for a long time and every NA pro will agree with it
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
Are you seriously trying to say NA is not the weakest server? It has been like that for a long time and every NA pro will agree with it
I love HSC so much! MoMan and Hasuobs were my favorites, I could listen to either of them cast pretty much all day and be happy. Thanks to Take and his team for putting on such an awesome event!
only dumb people laugh at incontrols humor. like making fun of the british accent of his cocaster over and over. me personally thinks he shouldnt be at HSC. he is spreading subliminal hate and thinks its funny. im not saying he is doing it on purpose, it just the way he is - very ego-centered. not very appropriate for such a nice and positiv turnament.
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
political correctness? i lol'd. is there such a thing?
great writeup tho. i REALLY enjoyed HSC! especially MC and MKP casting and those insane Dimaga games.
Incontrol and Grubby's casting is seriously good. I'm not surprised considering their confidence and success irl, but it's still nice to have these kind of dual-role professionals around. Almost everyone did great casting, but those two stood out for me.
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
I always get a very passive-aggressive vibe from many of TL's BW writers...
That said he was obviously just voicing what he believed in, in all cases, so I'm not too offended.
Poor HerO lol, he needs to hurry up and realize Korean shyness will only make him fade into obscurity in global esports.
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
He just made a personal (and if you want to cut this political correctness crap also a true) consideration based on the recent tournaments. He didn't take away anything from any NA player by saying that.
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
He just made a personal (and if you want to cut this political correctness crap also a true) consideration based on the recent tournaments. He didn't take away anything from any NA player by saying that.
nah you dont get it man, wax is racist, he hates america
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
He just made a personal (and if you want to cut this political correctness crap also a true) consideration based on the recent tournaments. He didn't take away anything from any NA player by saying that.
nah you dont get it man, wax is racist, he hates america
Thanks for clarifying, I was too narrow minded to come to the most obvious conclusion!
The problem's not so much Wax's "calling it like he sees it".
It's much more that he constantly acts like he speaks for "the fans" and he makes really personal attacks that come off like they're written by an anti-social kid that hates all the popular kids because they're just so normal and don't realize how great and not boring he is.
To wit: >> "MoMan: Europe's iNcontrol? I'll leave it to other people to fight over who that's more insulting to and move on."
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
Of course he's going to lump them together. However you way you wax it, people from similar cultures have similar playstyles, similar training lifestyles, and similar results, and often associate with each other voluntarily. Have you heard of this old competition called the Olympics?
I really don't like it that you guys bash Hero, he has obvious nerve problems and he most probably reads the main page news. Bashing him on his teams main page sure as hell is not making him any more comfortable.
On January 13 2012 07:16 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player.
Really odd to me seeing Team Liquid writers calling out their own player as a loser at HSC.. Yeah, Hero didn't perform well, but he's on your team!
If the Teamliquid writers praise TL for their 2011 performance they get bashed. If the Teamliquid writers call a TL member out for underperforming they get bashed too.
On January 13 2012 09:09 ampson wrote: Judging all of NA by incontrol, destiny, attero, and kawaiirice? That's a huge fail. Kawaii is the best of them and even he is not near NA's best.
Totally agree with this, there are lots of NA pros that can give anyone a run for their money.
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player."
"Impressing neither with his personality" ... but what does that have to do with how he performed at Homestory cup? That seemed like an insult to me. If i were HerO i would be insulted by that. Ok he's shy..... but that's just how he is and you can't change that. He might of done poorly at Homestory cup but to bring his personality into this is stepping over the line imo. Support him instead of trashing his personality.
Amazing stream quality...? I didn't see 1080p anywhere, let alone 720p. And little to no bells and whistles. No sir, great it was not.
Also, Thorzain should definitely be in the "clear losers" section. He lost to Incontrol (don't kill me for saying what was on everyone's mind), that's just awful. Poor Spoon Terran.
On January 14 2012 06:08 Reggiegigas wrote: Amazing stream quality...? I didn't see 1080p anywhere, let alone 720p. And little to no bells and whistles. No sir, great it was not.
Also, Thorzain should definitely be in the "clear losers" section. He lost to Incontrol (don't kill me for saying what was on everyone's mind), that's just awful. Poor Spoon Terran.
Well this could be true but if you think about it ThorZaIN has been in a slump lately so that wasn't like a huge surprise. But losing to iNcontroL sure was (even if he didn't play to his full potential).
HerO has been impressive lately with 1st at DH and 2nd at NASL. So i guess this is why HerO was put in the "losers" section since it was far from expected. He was expected to be "up there" so to speak.
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player."
"Impressing neither with his personality" ... but what does that have to do with how he performed at Homestory cup? That seemed like an insult to me. If i were HerO i would be insulted by that. Ok he's shy..... but that's just how he is and you can't change that. He might of done poorly at Homestory cup but to bring his personality into this is stepping over the line imo. Support him instead of trashing his personality.
Not everyone is a MC, iNcontroL, Grubby etc.
Nobody is trashing his personality.
He didn't win any fans via personality because he didn't cast/do anything to garner attention. He didn't win any fans from his playing because he played terribly. That's what he's saying.
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
It just seemed rude to me. It didn't seem like he was calling it like he was seeing it. He lumped all NA players together-- personally I think that calls for some political correctness.
Are you seriously trying to say NA is not the weakest server? It has been like that for a long time and every NA pro will agree with it
HerO: I didn't expect the introverted HerO to find a seat on the casting couch, but I didn't expect him to put in such disappointing Starcraft II performances either. Impressing neither with his personality nor his in-game content, he was the only clear loser at HomeStoryCup. After his stock hit peak value after winning DHW 2011, he's landed back at being a very talented but very inconsistent player."
"Impressing neither with his personality" ... but what does that have to do with how he performed at Homestory cup? That seemed like an insult to me. If i were HerO i would be insulted by that. Ok he's shy..... but that's just how he is and you can't change that. He might of done poorly at Homestory cup but to bring his personality into this is stepping over the line imo. Support him instead of trashing his personality.
Not everyone is a MC, iNcontroL, Grubby etc.
Nobody is trashing his personality.
He didn't win any fans via personality because he didn't cast/do anything to garner attention. He didn't win any fans from his playing because he played terribly. That's what he's saying.
No......
"Impressing neither with his personality"
That is what he's saying. Stop trying to twist it. He's basically saying that HerO didn't impress with his personality because he's shy and introverted. And he knows this. He knows that HerO won't cast any games or do anything crazy. We all know HerO is shy. So i find it highly inappropriate to state the obvious in this case because it isn't needed. The only thing that can come out of this is that HerO reads this and feels offended because it's his personality and he can't do anything about it. It doesn't have anything to do with the game and i don't know why you would write this about a player on your team.
It's like: "HerO...... you should be ashameeeeeeed i rage at you because of your results so i must punish you by talking about your personality!!!!!"
HerO: "sad puppyface.... goes hides in the corner"
On January 14 2012 02:04 CTStalker wrote: you don't have to agree with Wax, but you should appreciate him calling it like he sees it, and not being PC about it.
great article guys!
Agreed. Plenty of other things he's written that I've enjoyed, just not this. He's great.
It was a great tournament showcasing what small tourneys should be all about. I really enjoyed Grubby's casting. I feel that iNcontroL's casting brought more legitimacy to some of the odd casting pairs. Although he didn't post good results he really shined on the casting couch. I don't know if the "treading water" label fits considering his quality casting. I'm probably one of the few that thought that the MC-MKP casting was cute the first go around but afterwards just was overall boring. I don't get why Cloud got so much hate regarding his casting...it was better than MC-MKP IMO....
Waxangels write up here was pretty bad in my opinon, compared to the others.
I disagreed with him on who should be on the win list. Grubby performed better than any foreigner at the tournament, and was incredibly close to beating sound, his performance wasn't really noted much on the win list, just mainly how good he was at casting, why would you wish him to go to casting when he is showing some of the most promise of any players in Europe right now.
ViOlet was also incredibly impressive and you'd be hard pressed to find faults in his play, i was really shocked to not see him mentioned either.
Also, the MoMan-incontrol jab was just unnecessary.,
On January 14 2012 18:36 Toppp wrote: Grubby performed better than any foreigner at the tournament, and was incredibly close to beating sound, his performance wasn't really noted much on the win list, just mainly how good he was at casting, why would you wish him to go to casting when he is showing some of the most promise of any players in Europe right now.
Also, the MoMan-incontrol jab was just unnecessary.,
I like Grubby as does everybody else but still best foreigner at HSC 4? He did well and showed nice games but Dimaga and Nerchio imho were a level above him.
As Mr. Bitter said HSC4 was hands down the best major tournament in 2012 so far . Great write- up. Personally I would add Ret to the losers as well. I really expected a lot more from him given that he trainend (and streamed) a lot before the tournament. Maybe the lesson learned is that you don't play NA ladder in preparation for a tournament.
I have a feeling that Grubby is on his way up and will shine in 2012. Watch out for him!
I would like to include Mr. Bitter in the winners list. He wasn't a player but he always filled a gap when there was downtime or another caster was needed. He was there from the very beginning to the end for 15 hours each day without any sign of slowing down or lack of interst. Any employee would love this kind of dedication. The same goes for Rotterdam. But in contrast to Mr. Bitter, Rotterdam sometimes while not on purpose overstepped the thin line of being funny and rude (eg Mr. Bitters girl friend thing).
Cloud was great! Thank you, but please post some results, you are one of the most deserving players to have a breakthrough moment. DO NOT CHOKE!
Great casters: HasuObs and NightEnd! Hasu always tried to incorporate shy guys with questions and gave some beautiful insight, while NightEnd was always right on the money, even when Hasu had it wrong.
I think the only looser in HSC4 is Wax Article. The imature level and trivial content in it made it hard for me to read, it's just ridiculous and very bad written. Obviously Grubby, Cloud etc. deserves a spot in the so called "Winners", but you fail to pin point one of the most important things: Take and the HSC Crew. If you want to promote ESports, tournaments and the Game, you cannot simply put "Like, Duh." it is really childish but oh well, it might be easier to mention Moman like you did? You speak of "Marketing", yet you downgrade the image of people in your post. Not to mention the part you gathered all the casters and branded them as "Anyone who casted". You fail yet again to even mention their names. As for Hero thing i would just say, like you did.."Like, duh". Maybe (MAYBE) you will understand it....or not. I might pick the second option.
"I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."
when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.
you forgot one more big time winner imho. Take for showing us again that he produces some of the best tournaments in the world! I think all players felt really good there and werent dissapointed with tight schedules or things like that!
On January 14 2012 23:49 Drunkface wrote: "I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."
when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.
He did last year with the infamous "penix imba" comments, was quite funny. I believe at least one of the times was at IEM3 on stage. Could be wrong my memory is a bit fuzzy, I just know it was at one of the big tournies.
On January 14 2012 23:49 Drunkface wrote: "I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."
when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.
he does it all the time.. "stalker, imba".. "blink , imba" "forcefieldu, imba!" Do you think hes serious about these things or what
I do love the feel of Homestory and how it goes back to the days just getting people round to the house for a tournament. But I still think we should stick with keeping eSports looking professional in its own right and NOT have casters drinking at the casting table. Don't agree with alcohol being on their desk and them being drunk while casting. Took away a bit from certain casts, sure its great fun for them but some of the casting was poor. On the other hand some of the casting was amazing MC and MKP and other casting combinations, but sometimes they just went too far in my opinion. FYI im not saying they shouldnt be allowed a drink at the bar, of course they can just that if you are casting dont be drunk and do not drink while casting, think it makes esports look a bit less serious, love the story behind this tournament and how take has brought it through, like esports should be run by gamers for gamers <3
On January 14 2012 23:49 Drunkface wrote: "I don't care if MC is speaking English or Korean, talking about his girlfriend or saying how Phoenixes are imba imba, I just love seeing as much MC as I can."
when has MC ever called any protoss unit imba? Every other unit in the game yes, Protoss units no.
He did last year with the infamous "penix imba" comments, was quite funny. I believe at least one of the times was at IEM3 on stage. Could be wrong my memory is a bit fuzzy, I just know it was at one of the big tournies.
It was @NASL S1 finals after his games against SeleCT I think?
The Cloud interview is I think one of the best ever done. So much insight from the broodwar perspective, so honest, open and direct. And good questions.
I would just like to add, since there is no mention at all about good manner MKP asking for re-game when his game vs Violet disconnected. Doesn't matter what the players' positions were when the dc happened, that coming from a pro is very respectable.
Great write up overall! Awesome tournament, truly fun to watch. I think the small feeling isn't quite hitting the proverbial nail, I believe more important is that you can tell the players are truly enjoying themselves.
LOSER=Blizzard: LAN MODE.
QFT!
I'm a bit perturbed by the fact that you argue NA is treading water when I could easily argue NA was not truly represented by our best.
On January 17 2012 09:04 thurst0n wrote: Great write up overall! Awesome tournament, truly fun to watch. I think the small feeling isn't quite hitting the proverbial nail, I believe more important is that you can tell the players are truly enjoying themselves.
OMG Pholon!! you linked me <3 that is soo awesome lol!! just saw it!! great write up.. you described it excelent how the atmosphere was!! certainly if you compare like friday night to sunday... but it was awesome!! Also being there with you there guys!! Thanks ♥♥