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m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 02:33:47
December 12 2011 02:32 GMT
#61
The recent record on Dual Sight paints quite a different picture. Protoss have figured out how to forge expand on Dual Sight quite well. The map has a tendency to be a coin-flippy 'guess my two-base all-in', and as can be seen from results, that can be a hard thing to do.

Overall the maps favor Hero and MVP, while MC and Stephano are disadvantaged. But Gom, if there ever was a time to come out with one your trademark convoluted tournament-systems to get the most matches possible, this would be the time. Instead we get bo1 map-wins. Why, oh, why? Such a shame.
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 02:33:24
December 12 2011 02:32 GMT
#62
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 02:35:37
December 12 2011 02:33 GMT
#63
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
December 12 2011 02:35 GMT
#64
A bit biased towards Hero imo. I dont think Stephano will go 1-4 either.-
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zanga
Profile Joined September 2011
659 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 02:41:10
December 12 2011 02:37 GMT
#65
Regarding the writing of HerO:

"being capable of defeating all sorts of Code S class players on the ladder."
Ehh.. I dont even know how to start on that one :D - people do all sort of weird shit on ladder, I think most of us know that... Rank 1 in GM doesnt give you any money. Doing the best builds in tournaments and keeping your dark secrets hidden from the public is what _ I think _ many do. A huge amount of players refuse to share their replays for good reason !

"arguably the best protoss in the world <right now>"
Hehe......................

Anyways...I know TL.net almost has to be biased with its own players but yeah I didnt find it amusing at all - just my opinion.. (and quite many others as well it seems)
- - -

Lets enjoy Blizzard Cup anyhow.
MVP will not spare anyone T_T
(:
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
December 12 2011 02:39 GMT
#66
Very strange write-up overall, and definitely not completely accurate compared to my predictions, great job!
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
December 12 2011 02:42 GMT
#67
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


They're discussing Puma to make a point about Hero (one I consider unfair). Read the subtext.
cavalier117
Profile Joined April 2011
United States430 Posts
December 12 2011 02:43 GMT
#68
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


it started as a Hero discussion... albeit a sarcastic one.

noone is seriously arguing performance.... but discounting money from the equation is seriously flawed... at the end of the year, im pretty sure most pros would rather by PuMA with over 100k in winnings than Clide with nothing, etc etc

normally i would agree with your comment of "most of his money came from only a couple tournaments"

however, nobody seems to hold Stephano or Polt(btw ALL of polt's money came from a single tournament, 95,000 of his total 110,000 in one tournament) and many others to that same principle sooooo why single out players like PuMa?
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
rkshox
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Taiwan536 Posts
December 12 2011 02:43 GMT
#69
great article..looking forward to the tournament!
@ranleee /// "first we expand, then we defense it'
epicdemic
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands137 Posts
December 12 2011 02:46 GMT
#70
On December 12 2011 10:56 Joshacdcfan1 wrote:
Wow I havent seen so much bias towards hero since well actually the republican debate I saw yesterday


Indeed, incredibly biased article. Pretty sad.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 12 2011 02:47 GMT
#71
On December 12 2011 11:43 cavalier117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


it started as a Hero discussion... albeit a sarcastic one.

noone is seriously arguing performance.... but discounting money from the equation is seriously flawed... at the end of the year, im pretty sure most pros would rather by PuMA with over 100k in winnings than Clide with nothing, etc etc

normally i would agree with your comment of "most of his money came from only a couple tournaments"

however, nobody seems to hold Stephano or Polt(btw ALL of polt's money came from a single tournament, 95,000 of his total 110,000 in one tournament) and many others to that same principle sooooo why single out players like PuMa?

Polt has shown a rather consistent skill level throughout half this year (more, probably) in the GSL, so that's why he's considered good. He's been able to stay and compete in Code S for a long time now.

In Stephano's case, his success is just overblown, just like PuMa's.
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
December 12 2011 02:54 GMT
#72
seeing as how stephano got *aped in the IPL TAC by Bischu, odds are against him in this tournament.
XRaDiiX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada1730 Posts
December 12 2011 02:54 GMT
#73
I counter predict what was in the OP i don't think Stephano and MC will go 1-3 i think they will perform better than that!

I'm staying up for these games definitely Holy Shit how can you not stay up for this!
Never GG MKP | IdrA
dacimvrl
Profile Joined December 2011
Vatican City State582 Posts
December 12 2011 02:54 GMT
#74
On December 12 2011 11:47 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:43 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


it started as a Hero discussion... albeit a sarcastic one.

noone is seriously arguing performance.... but discounting money from the equation is seriously flawed... at the end of the year, im pretty sure most pros would rather by PuMA with over 100k in winnings than Clide with nothing, etc etc

normally i would agree with your comment of "most of his money came from only a couple tournaments"

however, nobody seems to hold Stephano or Polt(btw ALL of polt's money came from a single tournament, 95,000 of his total 110,000 in one tournament) and many others to that same principle sooooo why single out players like PuMa?

Polt has shown a rather consistent skill level throughout half this year (more, probably) in the GSL, so that's why he's considered good. He's been able to stay and compete in Code S for a long time now.

In Stephano's case, his success is just overblown, just like PuMa's.


I wouldn't call 2 NASLs overblown..
Acronysis
Profile Joined November 2011
872 Posts
December 12 2011 02:57 GMT
#75
On December 12 2011 10:34 TeamLiquid Writers wrote:

Stephano vs Mvp on Shakuras Plateau

No, just no.

Mvp > Stephano: I started writing something and then I saw it was on Shakuras.


You always make me laugh =D

Nonetheless, well thought out predictions, I hope they're right!
The multiplying villanies of man do swarm upon him.
cavalier117
Profile Joined April 2011
United States430 Posts
December 12 2011 02:57 GMT
#76
On December 12 2011 11:47 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:43 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


it started as a Hero discussion... albeit a sarcastic one.

noone is seriously arguing performance.... but discounting money from the equation is seriously flawed... at the end of the year, im pretty sure most pros would rather by PuMA with over 100k in winnings than Clide with nothing, etc etc

normally i would agree with your comment of "most of his money came from only a couple tournaments"

however, nobody seems to hold Stephano or Polt(btw ALL of polt's money came from a single tournament, 95,000 of his total 110,000 in one tournament) and many others to that same principle sooooo why single out players like PuMa?

Polt has shown a rather consistent skill level throughout half this year (more, probably) in the GSL, so that's why he's considered good. He's been able to stay and compete in Code S for a long time now.

In Stephano's case, his success is just overblown, just like PuMa's.


ehh, i think your wording is a little harsh yet. saying PuMa(or Hero) is not code S potential, whether they are in it or not, is pretty silly. Unlike DRG, who was literally handed his code S title,(3 MLGS and like a 5 place later bc ALL of the other Koreans were already in code S) they have to do it the hard way.
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
monXikk
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland742 Posts
December 12 2011 03:00 GMT
#77
On December 12 2011 11:47 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:43 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


it started as a Hero discussion... albeit a sarcastic one.

noone is seriously arguing performance.... but discounting money from the equation is seriously flawed... at the end of the year, im pretty sure most pros would rather by PuMA with over 100k in winnings than Clide with nothing, etc etc

normally i would agree with your comment of "most of his money came from only a couple tournaments"

however, nobody seems to hold Stephano or Polt(btw ALL of polt's money came from a single tournament, 95,000 of his total 110,000 in one tournament) and many others to that same principle sooooo why single out players like PuMa?

Polt has shown a rather consistent skill level throughout half this year (more, probably) in the GSL, so that's why he's considered good. He's been able to stay and compete in Code S for a long time now.

In Stephano's case, his success is just overblown, just like PuMa's.

So how you will describe Heros succes? over-9000-blown? I always thought it is better to win few tournaments than just one and earn like 3-4 more money than the other player.
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snowbird
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Germany2044 Posts
December 12 2011 03:04 GMT
#78
Great great writeup, very excited for the tournament!
@riotsnowbird
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
December 12 2011 03:04 GMT
#79
On December 12 2011 12:00 monXikk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:47 mordk wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:43 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:33 mordk wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:28 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them

Money =/= performance

Particularly when most of his money comes from a very small amount of wins, and in the foreigner scene.

Even if GSL had 1/10 of the prize money, and it had the same players, winning the GSL would be much more important and prestigious than winning any of Puma's tourneys.

On December 12 2011 11:32 frogrubdown wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


Although Hero probably isn't the best protoss player right now, this really isn't a fair comparison. Terran has an undisputed best player who happens to also be the undisputed best player of any race in the world by a wide margin. Protoss on the other hand has been notoriously leaderless since MC's fall.

The point is that it's a lot easier to be in contention for best Protoss player in the world than it is to be in contention for best Terran player right now.

edit: spelling

They're discussing Puma, not HerO


it started as a Hero discussion... albeit a sarcastic one.

noone is seriously arguing performance.... but discounting money from the equation is seriously flawed... at the end of the year, im pretty sure most pros would rather by PuMA with over 100k in winnings than Clide with nothing, etc etc

normally i would agree with your comment of "most of his money came from only a couple tournaments"

however, nobody seems to hold Stephano or Polt(btw ALL of polt's money came from a single tournament, 95,000 of his total 110,000 in one tournament) and many others to that same principle sooooo why single out players like PuMa?

Polt has shown a rather consistent skill level throughout half this year (more, probably) in the GSL, so that's why he's considered good. He's been able to stay and compete in Code S for a long time now.

In Stephano's case, his success is just overblown, just like PuMa's.

So how you will describe Heros succes? over-9000-blown? I always thought it is better to win few tournaments than just one and earn like 3-4 more money than the other player.

I don't know why we're discussing hero right now, since this was originally about money and performance. But I think Hero's performance is overblown too, less than Stephano's though, that overhype is pretty crazy.
Oreo7
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1647 Posts
December 12 2011 03:05 GMT
#80
hero! I think he'll win this group too. Don't think he's best protoss in the world though!
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