EPTBlizzard Cup Preview - Part 1 - Page 13
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Sailincieri
Poland83 Posts
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Destructicon
4713 Posts
Stephano has posted good results yes, but not in any big international tournament until IPL 3 and ESWC, Stephano also seems to lack consistency since he failed to get deep at MLG Orlando or Dreamhack Winter. In my opinion its too soon to label him as top foreigner or top foreign zerg, not enough tournaments played, not enough consistency seen. IdrA is an absolute monster at the moment. I also fail to see how Stephano is better then Nani when just as of recently Nani won the MLG Global Invitational, and also got 2nd at MLG Providance after a great run, as well as consistently posting top 1 and 2 finishes trough out the year. DRG also pointed out that Stephano seems to have a simple to figure out style that, once Koreans and everyone else gets used to, he can become a comfortable opponent, MVP proved just that when he hard countered Stephano after studying some replays that his GF sent him of Stephano's ladder run. Liquipedia is your friend, if you don't believe me the results speak for themselves, and that's what matters. | ||
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Spectorials
558 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:50 Destructicon wrote: IdrA in 2011 has won, Asus RoG Stars Invite, MLG North American Invitational, IEM Guangzhou, IGN Proleague S1 and WCG US Qualifier 2011. Not only that IdrA has consistently finished in the top 2-4 at least in MLGs and other international tournaments, which is quite remarkable. Yes he had a reached a very low period in the summer but rebound quite nicely and is now a force to be reckoned with. Stephano has posted good results yes, but not in any big international tournament until IPL 3 and ESWC, Stephano also seems to lack consistency since he failed to get deep at MLG Orlando or Dreamhack Winter. In my opinion its too soon to label him as top foreigner or top foreign zerg, not enough tournaments played, not enough consistency seen. IdrA is an absolute monster at the moment. I also fail to see how Stephano is better then Nani when just as of recently Nani won the MLG Global Invitational, and also got 2nd at MLG Providance after a great run, as well as consistently posting top 1 and 2 finishes trough out the year. DRG also pointed out that Stephano seems to have a simple to figure out style that, once Koreans and everyone else gets used to, he can become a comfortable opponent, MVP proved just that when he hard countered Stephano after studying some replays that his GF sent him of Stephano's ladder run. Liquipedia is your friend, if you don't believe me the results speak for themselves, and that's what matters. Stephano wins 40% of all the tournament he enters. And lets disect you list shall we. MLG was like a year ago vs only NA players. IPL 1 was an online cup vs only NA players. WCG US qualifier you mistaken there was no qualifier. Idra only represented US becuase his team was kind enough to send him there At the same time Idra been knocked out in ESWC by a relative unknown zerg. Knocked out in IPL 3. Knocked out in dreamhack winter just like Stephano. Knocked out in WCG by unknowns. You cant really say Stephano is inconsistence when Idra is even more so. And Idra havent really looked good at all in all the MLG only MLG he did look good was the one where he beat a Bomber. And then again Bomber is in a massive slump atm. Didnt Idra lose to trimaster like 2 mlg ago and finish like very low And DRG pointed out nothing he sayd there is hardcounters to stephano ZvZ build on that map and ofcourse there is. its a ZvZ. There is hard counters to everything. I am not saying Idra is a bad zerg but Stephano´s achivements is clearly much more impressive l8tly. His great run at blizzard cup and his insane ladder run on the korean GM that gaved him a rank 10 spot with an insane win ratio is also something to take into account. Just to put it into perspective Idra is in masters with a 51% win ratio and Stephano is top 10 GM with a 72% win ratio. Ofcourse ladder dont mean much but it means something an ofcourse Stephano and Idra are not gonna trow games simply becuase they so competitive in nature. And finaly this argument I keep having vs the Idra fans are starting to become really pointless. Yes im a Stephano fan but I used to be an Idra fan but if you have to be 100% objective Stephano atm got bigger achievements then Idra. And so what who the feck cares. Both are amasing zergs | ||
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Strawburry17
Australia130 Posts
Fact : MVP is overwhemling against MC in score actually. 1.GSTL Feb IM vs oGs: MVP wins 2.GSL August Ro.32 : MVP wins 3 WCG 2011 Korean quialifier Ro.16 : 2-1 for MVP 4.MLG Providence : 4-2 for MVP 5.Blizzard Cup : MVP wins. Overall 9-3 for MVP. (so one-sided....lol) | ||
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DaCruise
Denmark2457 Posts
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Frankon
3054 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:50 Destructicon wrote: IdrA in 2011 has won, Asus RoG Stars Invite, MLG North American Invitational, IEM Guangzhou, IGN Proleague S1 and WCG US Qualifier 2011. Not only that IdrA has consistently finished in the top 2-4 at least in MLGs and other international tournaments, which is quite remarkable. Yes he had a reached a very low period in the summer but rebound quite nicely and is now a force to be reckoned with. Stephano has posted good results yes, but not in any big international tournament until IPL 3 and ESWC, Stephano also seems to lack consistency since he failed to get deep at MLG Orlando or Dreamhack Winter. In my opinion its too soon to label him as top foreigner or top foreign zerg, not enough tournaments played, not enough consistency seen. IdrA is an absolute monster at the moment. I also fail to see how Stephano is better then Nani when just as of recently Nani won the MLG Global Invitational, and also got 2nd at MLG Providance after a great run, as well as consistently posting top 1 and 2 finishes trough out the year. DRG also pointed out that Stephano seems to have a simple to figure out style that, once Koreans and everyone else gets used to, he can become a comfortable opponent, MVP proved just that when he hard countered Stephano after studying some replays that his GF sent him of Stephano's ladder run. Liquipedia is your friend, if you don't believe me the results speak for themselves, and that's what matters. Going by your (and most of TL) definition of big tournaments* - MLG North American Invitational, IPL 1, WCG US Qalifier aren't big tournaments. That leaves Asus RoG and IEM Guangzhou and the questionable MLG's (sorry the MLG ranking system makes it easy for Idra to get top 8). Also "Yes he had a reached a very low period in the summer but rebound quite nicely and is now a force to be reckoned with." His result in WCG 2011 makes your claim questionable. Loosing to Capoh (who the hell is he... Like 1 result in the last year according to liquipedia), and Orly..... The Stephano part is mostly valid. But you forgot about IPL4 UK qualifier (and you mentioned the WCG qualifier for Idra) - which even have some koreans in it (Ryung or Tail ring any bell?). Still i have to agree that Stephano doesn't always win - DHW2011 being the prime example. * - having good koreans playing | ||
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dbosworld
United States317 Posts
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
As for Hero, I just feel really bad for him. Unrealistic expectations are put upon him every time he enters a tournament. There was a reason why Hero was relatively unknown while part of oGs: There were several members on the team that were better than him. When Liquid picked him up on their roster, suddenly everyone had these expectations of him, and they just were not realistic. Hero did well at a lot of tournament because he suddenly has so many new opportunities to play in tournaments with Liquid, and that is great. However, compared to other Koreans, Hero unfortunately is still just above average. | ||
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Acidosis
United States172 Posts
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:31 Bagration wrote: In my opinion, I believe that Stephano validated himself today. Yes he did not advance, but he did manage to go 2-2 in a group of some of the world's best players. There were people saying that he was the best player in the world, and people saying that he is just another guy who would flop in Korea. In the end, he did neither, and proved that while he may not be the "world's best player", he can certainly hold with Korea's finest. I'd say he is high Code A or low Code S level right now. As for Hero, I just feel really bad for him. Unrealistic expectations are put upon him every time he enters a tournament. There was a reason why Hero was relatively unknown while part of oGs: There were several members on the team that were better than him. When Liquid picked him up on their roster, suddenly everyone had these expectations of him, and they just were not realistic. Hero did well at a lot of tournament because he suddenly has so many new opportunities to play in tournaments with Liquid, and that is great. However, compared to other Koreans, Hero unfortunately is still just above average. I think thats abit hard towards Hero, Bagration. Everyone can have a bad day and lets not forget this was the hardest group with some of the worlds best players in. | ||
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HappyChris
1534 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:35 Acidosis wrote: DRG is back. Too bad he lost to Stephano but ZvZ is always so volatile. Did you watch the match? becuase what I saw was 2 amasing zerg playing an incredible high lvl ZvZ with some insane micro that Stephano somehow came out stronger then his opponent Stephano´s is an amasing ZvZ player and that was the only result I was sure Stephano would take | ||
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lrofd
United States187 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:37 HappyChris wrote: Did you watch the match? becuase what I saw was 2 amasing zerg playing an incredible high lvl ZvZ with some insane micro that Stephano somehow came out stronger then his opponent Stephano´s is an amasing ZvZ player and that was the only result I was sure Stephano would take yeah build order-wise..I thought stephano was dead by the 3rd minute of the game, he held with micro and crucial targeting. it was a beautiful outplay by stephano. not giving him credit for that game would be pretty selfish | ||
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Bagration
United States18282 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:35 HappyChris wrote: I think thats abit hard towards Hero, Bagration. Everyone can have a bad day and lets not forget this was the hardest group with some of the worlds best players in. Yes, I agree this was a bad day for Hero. I also feel that being on Liquid and gaining so much tournament experience has certainly helped his play. But as a player that suffers from nerves, I just feel that having all of these high expectations on Hero is not the best thing to do for his development as a player. I want Hero to do well, and hope he does better in the future. But part of the problem is the expectation gap. Hero is better than most Koreans, but when tournament previews like this one predict that he wins the entire group, and predicts that he takes out players like MVP, 9 times out of ten, people will be disappointed. I think that a more reasonable expectation for Hero this tournament was to simply advance from the group stage. We expect him to win everything, especially after his Dreamhack performance, and as a player, it is difficult to fall short of expectations. He is a great player, certainly better than many Korean pros, but he is not Code S caliber (yet). | ||
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bubl100500
Ukraine538 Posts
On December 12 2011 23:46 Sailincieri wrote: Its bo1 so any predictions are just useless... With that format even TLO could win this group 4-0... This is kinda stupid statement. GSL has been bo1 in ro16 since forever, and in most cases better players still advanced. But bo3 is of course much better. | ||
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Olinimm
1471 Posts
On December 13 2011 00:35 HappyChris wrote: I think thats abit hard towards Hero, Bagration. Everyone can have a bad day and lets not forget this was the hardest group with some of the worlds best players in. The thing is it's not just one day. It's everyday he plays a tournament in Korea. | ||
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Havek
Denmark20 Posts
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TBone-
United States2309 Posts
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
On December 13 2011 01:08 bubl100500 wrote: This is kinda stupid statement. GSL has been bo1 in ro16 since forever, and in most cases better players still advanced. But bo3 is of course much better. really? Do you really BELIEVE That? | ||
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FuFighter
Germany60 Posts
Anyways: MC fightiiiiiing!  | ||
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