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Silmu
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland34 Posts
December 12 2011 13:28 GMT
#221
Great post tl^^ But the thing I want to point out is that i think your underestimating Stephano even though he hasn't done much lately I think he will go far, but that's propably partly because im a zerg player myself ;P
Better to make a mistake and win than to not make a mistake and lose -PsY
Destructicon
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
4713 Posts
December 12 2011 13:33 GMT
#222
I hope everyone who keeps praising the "ladder heroes" finally have a wake up call today, because ladder performance doesn't equal tournament performance.
I don't care how good someone does in ladder, he could be top 1 in all ladders world wide for all I care, but if they don't consistently win tournaments it doesn't equal shit.

Stephano is a good player I'll give him that, but people are blowing him way, way out of proportion. Best foreginer is overly exaggerated when we have the likes of Naniwa, HuK and IdrA, who have way more results under their belts and more consistency so far. Stephano has only 2 tournaments and recently came from DH in what he called one of his most embarrassing SC2 runs. Wake the hell up people, he is good, but not best in the world, not best zerg nor best foreigner.

Who cares if Stephano beat Bomber in stupid Ladder, IdrA beat Bomber at MLG Orlando, in a god damn huge tournament where its all at (a tournament in which Stephano didn't even make it to championship sunday) , IdrA had the more impressive performance in one of his greatest macro games.
WriterNever give up, never surrender! https://www.youtube.com/user/DestructiconSC
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
December 12 2011 13:42 GMT
#223
The MVP and Hero games are going to be great! I want to see MC to good though.
Mr.xyz
Profile Joined November 2011
France6 Posts
December 12 2011 13:51 GMT
#224
I never said he was the best, I mean since september, compare his results to Idra and Huk ? He lost against NaNiwa at dreamhack, but Naniwa is at the same level, he is in blizzard cup, not Idra and Huk.

Stephano won IPL3 (beated MMA 2-0 in qualifs, Inori, lucky) and ESWC (beated MKP). Now he is in korea and beats every korean 'star' on ladder.

How the fuck could it be "overly" exaggerated ?

Idra and Huk are very good players, like him, that's all. But Idra doesn't have "way more results".

Yeah he is the america and stuff, but stephano is in korea for 3 months, we'll see him against Idra after that
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
December 12 2011 13:53 GMT
#225
So much for Hero winning the group...that was kind of embarassing
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
WightyCity
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada887 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 13:55:29
December 12 2011 13:53 GMT
#226
go stephano

You did great dude
90% watching it 8% talking about it and 2% playing it - sc2
Mr.xyz
Profile Joined November 2011
France6 Posts
December 12 2011 13:53 GMT
#227
Idra lost 3 on 5 in WCG, against Orly, Killer and kapoch.

Stephano lost 2 on 4 against MC and MVP
AgentChaos
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom4569 Posts
December 12 2011 14:02 GMT
#228
mvp will 4-0
IM & EG supporter
amazingxkcd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
GRAND OLD AMERICA16375 Posts
December 12 2011 14:07 GMT
#229
Stephano hwaiting!
The world is burning and you rather be on this terrible website discussing video games and your shallow feelings
migosore
Profile Joined April 2011
Poland5 Posts
December 12 2011 14:11 GMT
#230
Dunno if anyone shares my view but i feel like the fact that these matches are best of 1 are an insult to the players and the community
It sure as hell doesn't feel like the hyped 'last tourmanent of the year that shows off all this year's champions'.
Sailincieri
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland83 Posts
December 12 2011 14:12 GMT
#231
On December 12 2011 22:33 Destructicon wrote:
I hope everyone who keeps praising the "ladder heroes" finally have a wake up call today, because ladder performance doesn't equal tournament performance.
I don't care how good someone does in ladder, he could be top 1 in all ladders world wide for all I care, but if they don't consistently win tournaments it doesn't equal shit.

Stephano is a good player I'll give him that, but people are blowing him way, way out of proportion. Best foreginer is overly exaggerated when we have the likes of Naniwa, HuK and IdrA, who have way more results under their belts and more consistency so far. Stephano has only 2 tournaments and recently came from DH in what he called one of his most embarrassing SC2 runs. Wake the hell up people, he is good, but not best in the world, not best zerg nor best foreigner.

Who cares if Stephano beat Bomber in stupid Ladder, IdrA beat Bomber at MLG Orlando, in a god damn huge tournament where its all at (a tournament in which Stephano didn't even make it to championship sunday) , IdrA had the more impressive performance in one of his greatest macro games.


Please, Idra have more restults then Stephano? Is more consisttent player? How blind are you?

Idra had one good period of time, when he play realy well - from IEM Guangzhou to MLG Orlando.
Now he play like a shit, losing to some low/mid TOP EU players...

Naniwa had one (ONE!) realy good event, MLG...

Only Huk doing great all the time, in GSL, MLG etc.
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 12 2011 14:16 GMT
#232
On December 12 2011 10:42 DreamScaR wrote:
I have to say, I think MVP gets destroyed and only gets a win off of MC.

To even think that Stephano would do better then MVP is false even in the most vivid of dreams. MVP is the greatest player in the world that only a select few can even hope to match (ie. MMA and NesTea) all others have to get extreamly lucky to find that extreamly small chink in his armor. Him losing even a single match in this group is less then likely to occur. The one getting destroyed in these matchups will in all likelyhood be Stephano seeing how all the Koreans in here are all far superior to him.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Catatonic
Profile Joined August 2011
United States699 Posts
December 12 2011 14:24 GMT
#233
On December 12 2011 23:12 Sailincieri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 22:33 Destructicon wrote:
I hope everyone who keeps praising the "ladder heroes" finally have a wake up call today, because ladder performance doesn't equal tournament performance.
I don't care how good someone does in ladder, he could be top 1 in all ladders world wide for all I care, but if they don't consistently win tournaments it doesn't equal shit.

Stephano is a good player I'll give him that, but people are blowing him way, way out of proportion. Best foreginer is overly exaggerated when we have the likes of Naniwa, HuK and IdrA, who have way more results under their belts and more consistency so far. Stephano has only 2 tournaments and recently came from DH in what he called one of his most embarrassing SC2 runs. Wake the hell up people, he is good, but not best in the world, not best zerg nor best foreigner.

Who cares if Stephano beat Bomber in stupid Ladder, IdrA beat Bomber at MLG Orlando, in a god damn huge tournament where its all at (a tournament in which Stephano didn't even make it to championship sunday) , IdrA had the more impressive performance in one of his greatest macro games.


Please, Idra have more restults then Stephano? Is more consisttent player? How blind are you?

Idra had one good period of time, when he play realy well - from IEM Guangzhou to MLG Orlando.
Now he play like a shit, losing to some low/mid TOP EU players...

Naniwa had one (ONE!) realy good event, MLG...

Only Huk doing great all the time, in GSL, MLG etc.

I think you mean idra had one bad period of time that being over the summer. An since then has rebounded amazingly. Players lose all the time an to variations of skill levels. NesTea losing to Naniwa twice dosnt mean that NesTea is trash cause he lost to a lesser player. Stephano is far from the best foreigner in the land seeing as how he hasn't even made it to a single GSL like Huk, Nani, IdrA, an Sjow to name a few. All of these players are better then him cause of that singular fact even though all are of far more skill an achievement then him not only over this year but lifetime as well. So to even begin to think that Stephano is better then any other foreigner is just outright false in my opinion based on the facts. He's never made a GSL an just isn't as good as many of the Top tier or even 5 foreigners we currently have today.
T: DeMuslim SeleCT. P: Naniwa Genius. Z: IdrA Destiny Team: EG
Sailincieri
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland83 Posts
December 12 2011 14:29 GMT
#234
Stephano 2-2 in his group - Koreans are realy far superior... He would win with MC in macro game, he made a bad decision (going all in), and is the only reason why he didnt advance.
Format didnt help too, bo1 is just stupid idea...
ondik
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Czech Republic2908 Posts
December 12 2011 14:30 GMT
#235
On December 12 2011 23:24 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 23:12 Sailincieri wrote:
On December 12 2011 22:33 Destructicon wrote:
I hope everyone who keeps praising the "ladder heroes" finally have a wake up call today, because ladder performance doesn't equal tournament performance.
I don't care how good someone does in ladder, he could be top 1 in all ladders world wide for all I care, but if they don't consistently win tournaments it doesn't equal shit.

Stephano is a good player I'll give him that, but people are blowing him way, way out of proportion. Best foreginer is overly exaggerated when we have the likes of Naniwa, HuK and IdrA, who have way more results under their belts and more consistency so far. Stephano has only 2 tournaments and recently came from DH in what he called one of his most embarrassing SC2 runs. Wake the hell up people, he is good, but not best in the world, not best zerg nor best foreigner.

Who cares if Stephano beat Bomber in stupid Ladder, IdrA beat Bomber at MLG Orlando, in a god damn huge tournament where its all at (a tournament in which Stephano didn't even make it to championship sunday) , IdrA had the more impressive performance in one of his greatest macro games.


Please, Idra have more restults then Stephano? Is more consisttent player? How blind are you?

Idra had one good period of time, when he play realy well - from IEM Guangzhou to MLG Orlando.
Now he play like a shit, losing to some low/mid TOP EU players...

Naniwa had one (ONE!) realy good event, MLG...

Only Huk doing great all the time, in GSL, MLG etc.

I think you mean idra had one bad period of time that being over the summer. An since then has rebounded amazingly. Players lose all the time an to variations of skill levels. NesTea losing to Naniwa twice dosnt mean that NesTea is trash cause he lost to a lesser player. Stephano is far from the best foreigner in the land seeing as how he hasn't even made it to a single GSL like Huk, Nani, IdrA, an Sjow to name a few. All of these players are better then him cause of that singular fact even though all are of far more skill an achievement then him not only over this year but lifetime as well. So to even begin to think that Stephano is better then any other foreigner is just outright false in my opinion based on the facts. He's never made a GSL an just isn't as good as many of the Top tier or even 5 foreigners we currently have today.

Seriously?
Bisu. The one and only. // Save the cheerreaver, save the world (of SC2)
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
December 12 2011 14:33 GMT
#236
On December 12 2011 22:33 Destructicon wrote:
I hope everyone who keeps praising the "ladder heroes" finally have a wake up call today, because ladder performance doesn't equal tournament performance.
I don't care how good someone does in ladder, he could be top 1 in all ladders world wide for all I care, but if they don't consistently win tournaments it doesn't equal shit.

Stephano is a good player I'll give him that, but people are blowing him way, way out of proportion. Best foreginer is overly exaggerated when we have the likes of Naniwa, HuK and IdrA, who have way more results under their belts and more consistency so far. Stephano has only 2 tournaments and recently came from DH in what he called one of his most embarrassing SC2 runs. Wake the hell up people, he is good, but not best in the world, not best zerg nor best foreigner.

Who cares if Stephano beat Bomber in stupid Ladder, IdrA beat Bomber at MLG Orlando, in a god damn huge tournament where its all at (a tournament in which Stephano didn't even make it to championship sunday) , IdrA had the more impressive performance in one of his greatest macro games.


Just poor hate buddy.

Idra WCG 3-3 vs no names Stephano 2-2 vs the best players in the world. MVP even goes out and say how good a player Stephano is and says he can get into code S

It was one tiny mistakes vs MC or els he would have gone true

And you talking about results fact is Stephano won ESWC IPL 3 and IPL 4 UK qualifier while Idra won vs a horrible opposition at IEM china where he beat Elfi in the final.

Falconpauunch
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Korea (South)59 Posts
December 12 2011 14:35 GMT
#237
I seriously want MC to win, he's just too awesome.
:)
Mr.xyz
Profile Joined November 2011
France6 Posts
December 12 2011 14:36 GMT
#238
On December 12 2011 23:24 Catatonic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 23:12 Sailincieri wrote:
On December 12 2011 22:33 Destructicon wrote:
I hope everyone who keeps praising the "ladder heroes" finally have a wake up call today, because ladder performance doesn't equal tournament performance.
I don't care how good someone does in ladder, he could be top 1 in all ladders world wide for all I care, but if they don't consistently win tournaments it doesn't equal shit.

Stephano is a good player I'll give him that, but people are blowing him way, way out of proportion. Best foreginer is overly exaggerated when we have the likes of Naniwa, HuK and IdrA, who have way more results under their belts and more consistency so far. Stephano has only 2 tournaments and recently came from DH in what he called one of his most embarrassing SC2 runs. Wake the hell up people, he is good, but not best in the world, not best zerg nor best foreigner.

Who cares if Stephano beat Bomber in stupid Ladder, IdrA beat Bomber at MLG Orlando, in a god damn huge tournament where its all at (a tournament in which Stephano didn't even make it to championship sunday) , IdrA had the more impressive performance in one of his greatest macro games.


Please, Idra have more restults then Stephano? Is more consisttent player? How blind are you?

Idra had one good period of time, when he play realy well - from IEM Guangzhou to MLG Orlando.
Now he play like a shit, losing to some low/mid TOP EU players...

Naniwa had one (ONE!) realy good event, MLG...

Only Huk doing great all the time, in GSL, MLG etc.

I think you mean idra had one bad period of time that being over the summer. An since then has rebounded amazingly. Players lose all the time an to variations of skill levels. NesTea losing to Naniwa twice dosnt mean that NesTea is trash cause he lost to a lesser player. Stephano is far from the best foreigner in the land seeing as how he hasn't even made it to a single GSL like Huk, Nani, IdrA, an Sjow to name a few. All of these players are better then him cause of that singular fact even though all are of far more skill an achievement then him not only over this year but lifetime as well. So to even begin to think that Stephano is better then any other foreigner is just outright false in my opinion based on the facts. He's never made a GSL an just isn't as good as many of the Top tier or even 5 foreigners we currently have today.


Do you really think all of that 0_o ? Wow...
For Huk ok, but Idra, naniwa and sjow in GSL ? they didn't perfom well at all, so it's easy to say that if a player go to gsl, he is one of the best.

Stephano could go to GSL since he was invited to GSL too, ahem... He refused it, cause he doesn't want to stay too long in korea (the next gsl will be for 4 months). But he played a bo7 against MVPTAils (who is in code A) and won 4-1.

I will not go ahead to prove something which in my opinion, is obvious.. He is NOT the best foreigner, but he is one of the best, obviously !







Sailincieri
Profile Joined July 2011
Poland83 Posts
December 12 2011 14:40 GMT
#239
On December 12 2011 23:24 Catatonic wrote:
I think you mean idra had one bad period of time that being over the summer. An since then has rebounded amazingly. Players lose all the time an to variations of skill levels. NesTea losing to Naniwa twice dosnt mean that NesTea is trash cause he lost to a lesser player. Stephano is far from the best foreigner in the land seeing as how he hasn't even made it to a single GSL like Huk, Nani, IdrA, an Sjow to name a few. All of these players are better then him cause of that singular fact even though all are of far more skill an achievement then him not only over this year but lifetime as well. So to even begin to think that Stephano is better then any other foreigner is just outright false in my opinion based on the facts. He's never made a GSL an just isn't as good as many of the Top tier or even 5 foreigners we currently have today.


I hope you are trolling...
Stephano never had a chance to play in Korea before, so your argument is just stupid

Imho Stephano is not best foreigner, but right now is much better then Sjow (lol!), Nani, and Idra ez.
Players lose all the time? Well Idra for sure... With some random players...

Huk train in Korea for so long time that he must preform well, and he have results.

For now Stephano > Idra, ez.
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
December 12 2011 14:43 GMT
#240
Back to the topic.
Since Part 2 should be posted in a few hours lets hope some other staffer will predict the results. Preferably zere or tree.hugger. (due to their LB rank^^)
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