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Blizzard Cup Preview - Part 1 - Page 14

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Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 12 2011 16:29 GMT
#261
On December 13 2011 01:27 FuFighter wrote:
Why do people seem to think that articles posted on TL have to be unbiased?


Anyways: MC fightiiiiiing!

They don't HAVE to be. But especially when they turn out completely wrong of course you are gonna get criticized for them .
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 12 2011 16:33 GMT
#262
This is kinda akward now you couldnt have gotten your predictions more wrong.
Linz
Profile Joined February 2011
Belgium151 Posts
December 12 2011 16:52 GMT
#263
On December 13 2011 01:33 careohx wrote:
This is kinda akward now you couldnt have gotten your predictions more wrong.


I was thinking exactly the same thing while reading this, better luck on group B :p
"The plural of anecdote is not data."
FuFighter
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany60 Posts
December 12 2011 17:13 GMT
#264
On December 13 2011 01:29 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 01:27 FuFighter wrote:
Why do people seem to think that articles posted on TL have to be unbiased?


Anyways: MC fightiiiiiing!

They don't HAVE to be. But especially when they turn out completely wrong of course you are gonna get criticized for them .


People should criticize them for being wrong then, not for being biased. ;-)
I think the article was fine and well written. Maybe it was biased but it wasn't like "Hero is gonna win because he is a liquid player". Most of the time he was given a slight edge so I think it's fine. It's definitely more fun than picking MVP
"Scissors are fine, Paper is IMBA." - Rock
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 12 2011 17:22 GMT
#265
On December 13 2011 02:13 FuFighter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 01:29 Olinimm wrote:
On December 13 2011 01:27 FuFighter wrote:
Why do people seem to think that articles posted on TL have to be unbiased?


Anyways: MC fightiiiiiing!

They don't HAVE to be. But especially when they turn out completely wrong of course you are gonna get criticized for them .


People should criticize them for being wrong then, not for being biased. ;-)
I think the article was fine and well written. Maybe it was biased but it wasn't like "Hero is gonna win because he is a liquid player". Most of the time he was given a slight edge so I think it's fine. It's definitely more fun than picking MVP

It was more like "Hero is gonna win because he's the best Korean protoss. And we wouldn't think that if he wasn't on teamliquid" .
Erasme
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Bahamas15899 Posts
December 12 2011 17:30 GMT
#266
Stephano will cruise through his groups.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7lxwFEB6FI “‘Drain the swamp’? Stupid saying, means nothing, but you guys loved it so I kept saying it.”
Rylaji
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden580 Posts
December 12 2011 17:40 GMT
#267
Told ya!
Official Fan of; Obama oGs.MC // God of War ST.JulyZerg // d.Naniwa // ST.Squirtle // SlayerS_Alicia // Emperor SlayerS_BoxeR // EG.HuK // White-Ra // MarineKing.Prime.WE // oGs.NaDa's Body // SlayerS.MMA // MvP.DongRaeGu
HoodedAvatar
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada115 Posts
December 12 2011 17:44 GMT
#268
man............. i really wanted + Show Spoiler +
stephano to get through to the next round T_T
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 12 2011 17:49 GMT
#269
Hero > MVP is like the least expected result out of any prediction made in this post... Hero is so scared of MVP he'll self destruct before mid late game.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
December 12 2011 17:53 GMT
#270
On December 12 2011 10:45 Micket wrote:
For what reasons is Hero being given title of 'best Protoss player in the world'? He can't get past 2nd round of Code A, has an awful win rate in Korea, and stomps foreigners. He is incredibly creative and smart, but trashing around foreigners will always make you look good.

Where is the oZ hype? Brown? Parting? Heck, MC deserves more hype, guy is goooood.


Yup, if Hero were still in oGs he would still be a middle of pack protoss. He deserves credit though for being able to consistently beat weaker players than him, I don't think his problem is being 'nervous' from that perspective.. it's more like in Korea there aren't too many pro players weaker than him.
SkullZ9
Profile Joined April 2011
Belgium2048 Posts
December 12 2011 18:05 GMT
#271
Lol 2 correct predictions on 10 match ^^
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 18:15:30
December 12 2011 18:06 GMT
#272
On December 13 2011 02:53 s4life wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 10:45 Micket wrote:
For what reasons is Hero being given title of 'best Protoss player in the world'? He can't get past 2nd round of Code A, has an awful win rate in Korea, and stomps foreigners. He is incredibly creative and smart, but trashing around foreigners will always make you look good.

Where is the oZ hype? Brown? Parting? Heck, MC deserves more hype, guy is goooood.


Yup, if Hero were still in oGs he would still be a middle of pack protoss. He deserves credit though for being able to consistently beat weaker players than him, I don't think his problem is being 'nervous' from that perspective.. it's more like in Korea there aren't too many pro players weaker than him.


Yes, he was considered a top prospect while being on oGs by people who paid attention to the scene.

You don't think his problem is nerves, yet today he played a self-destructive game in each set, and playing like that would have been beaten by most mid-tier foreigners as well?

- Slamming his army into Roaches chasing a Queen that he has no chance of killing, then giving up.
- Cannoning DRG's natural in the midgame, then giving up.
- Losing a Warp Prism to one single Queen.
- Going Nexus first in PvP without being aware of the map features or blocking / chasing down the Probe in his base.
- Going Nexus first in PvT without even fully scouting mvp's base (and his Probe was basically free to look anywhere for a full minute).

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realize that the games he played today were OBVIOUSLY not representative of his skill level and that none of those mistakes and decisions are actually normal when his mind is in the right place. But then again, there isn't much of common sense on TL these days.

He's only been exposed to playing games on the big stage for the last 2 or 3 months, it's not his skill (or lack thereof) that is holding him back. He has confidence issues, nerve issues, and at a stretch his decision making isn't the best, but these things come naturally from maturity and experience.
Exclamark
Profile Joined August 2010
United States29 Posts
December 12 2011 18:09 GMT
#273
Really hoping MC pulls through and wins the cup. I would like to see him on top again.
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FuFighter
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany60 Posts
December 12 2011 18:10 GMT
#274
On December 13 2011 02:22 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 02:13 FuFighter wrote:
On December 13 2011 01:29 Olinimm wrote:
On December 13 2011 01:27 FuFighter wrote:
Why do people seem to think that articles posted on TL have to be unbiased?


Anyways: MC fightiiiiiing!

They don't HAVE to be. But especially when they turn out completely wrong of course you are gonna get criticized for them .


People should criticize them for being wrong then, not for being biased. ;-)
I think the article was fine and well written. Maybe it was biased but it wasn't like "Hero is gonna win because he is a liquid player". Most of the time he was given a slight edge so I think it's fine. It's definitely more fun than picking MVP

It was more like "Hero is gonna win because he's the best Korean protoss. And we wouldn't think that if he wasn't on teamliquid" .



Fair enough :D Though I think it's fair to say that - in his current form - he is better or at least more consistent than MC which would make him the best Protoss at this particular Tournament

So the real question would be: is the article "just" biased or flat out wrong.
I think it's just biased and not 100% wishful thinking. Then again... I'm a TL and Hero fanboy
"Scissors are fine, Paper is IMBA." - Rock
Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
December 12 2011 18:21 GMT
#275
On December 13 2011 03:06 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 02:53 s4life wrote:
On December 12 2011 10:45 Micket wrote:
For what reasons is Hero being given title of 'best Protoss player in the world'? He can't get past 2nd round of Code A, has an awful win rate in Korea, and stomps foreigners. He is incredibly creative and smart, but trashing around foreigners will always make you look good.

Where is the oZ hype? Brown? Parting? Heck, MC deserves more hype, guy is goooood.


Yup, if Hero were still in oGs he would still be a middle of pack protoss. He deserves credit though for being able to consistently beat weaker players than him, I don't think his problem is being 'nervous' from that perspective.. it's more like in Korea there aren't too many pro players weaker than him.


Yes, he was considered a top prospect while being on oGs by people who paid attention to the scene.

You don't think his problem is nerves, yet today he played a self-destructive game in each set, and playing like that would have been beaten by most mid-tier foreigners as well?

- Slamming his army into Roaches chasing a Queen that he has no chance of killing, then giving up.
- Cannoning DRG's natural in the midgame, then giving up.
- Losing a Warp Prism to one single Queen.
- Going Nexus first in PvP without being aware of the map features or blocking / chasing down the Probe in his base.
- Going Nexus first in PvT without even fully scouting mvp's base (and his Probe was basically free to look anywhere for a full minute).

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realize that the games he played today were OBVIOUSLY not representative of his skill level and that none of those mistakes and decisions are actually normal when his mind is in the right place. But then again, there isn't much of common sense on TL these days.

He's only been exposed to playing games on the big stage for the last 2 or 3 months, it's not his skill (or lack thereof) that is holding him back. He has confidence issues, nerve issues, and at a stretch his decision making isn't the best, but these things come naturally from maturity and experience.

Oh don't get me wrong, he is incredibly talented and creative, and will continue to develop every matchup in the right direction. He just ain't the best Protoss in the world and I simply hate blind overhyping.
jnsjr
Profile Joined February 2011
United States461 Posts
December 12 2011 18:22 GMT
#276
Yikes, better luck on part 2!
Z: Idra #1 Stephano JD Scarlett Dimaga Life Violet DRG Sen; T: Demuslim Puma Illusion Bomber Polt TSpoon Strelok; P: Hasuobs Huk; Casters: Apollo #1 Axslav DJWheat Tasteless Bitter Artosis Incontrol RSimpson Psy Team: Let's GO EG!!
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 12 2011 18:23 GMT
#277
On December 13 2011 03:06 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 02:53 s4life wrote:
On December 12 2011 10:45 Micket wrote:
For what reasons is Hero being given title of 'best Protoss player in the world'? He can't get past 2nd round of Code A, has an awful win rate in Korea, and stomps foreigners. He is incredibly creative and smart, but trashing around foreigners will always make you look good.

Where is the oZ hype? Brown? Parting? Heck, MC deserves more hype, guy is goooood.


Yup, if Hero were still in oGs he would still be a middle of pack protoss. He deserves credit though for being able to consistently beat weaker players than him, I don't think his problem is being 'nervous' from that perspective.. it's more like in Korea there aren't too many pro players weaker than him.


Yes, he was considered a top prospect while being on oGs by people who paid attention to the scene.

You don't think his problem is nerves, yet today he played a self-destructive game in each set, and playing like that would have been beaten by most mid-tier foreigners as well?

- Slamming his army into Roaches chasing a Queen that he has no chance of killing, then giving up.
- Cannoning DRG's natural in the midgame, then giving up.
- Losing a Warp Prism to one single Queen.
- Going Nexus first in PvP without being aware of the map features or blocking / chasing down the Probe in his base.
- Going Nexus first in PvT without even fully scouting mvp's base (and his Probe was basically free to look anywhere for a full minute).

Anyone with a modicum of common sense would realize that the games he played today were OBVIOUSLY not representative of his skill level and that none of those mistakes and decisions are actually normal when his mind is in the right place. But then again, there isn't much of common sense on TL these days.

He's only been exposed to playing games on the big stage for the last 2 or 3 months, it's not his skill (or lack thereof) that is holding him back. He has confidence issues, nerve issues, and at a stretch his decision making isn't the best, but these things come naturally from maturity and experience.

No it's not. Nerves or not he was the weakest player in this group and taking a look at Heros history, the results that occurred today are exactly what should have happened.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
December 12 2011 18:47 GMT
#278
Wow these predictions have been so incredibly wrong, lol! :D
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
Spinoza
Profile Joined October 2010
667 Posts
December 12 2011 18:51 GMT
#279
Truly a pleasure to read something this well written. I might not agree with the predictions, but they are interesting and expressed with a strong personal voice. Well done!
FanTaSy | Flash | Movie | Leta | Stork | Map:Destination[BW]
happyness
Profile Joined June 2010
United States2400 Posts
December 12 2011 18:58 GMT
#280
lol at Hero getting first.

I'm pretty sad about it
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