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Prplppleatr
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 02:23:33
December 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#41
very nice article

My Final Predictions:
1st: Mvp 4-0
2nd: HerO 3-1
3rd: DRG 2-2
4th: MC 1-3
5th: Stephano 0-4
🥇 Prediction Contest - Mess with the best, die like the rest.
dnld12
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States324 Posts
December 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#42
Meh still think Hero and MC can take on anyone
When life gives you Stalkers, Get blink.
Porcelina
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
United Kingdom3249 Posts
December 12 2011 02:10 GMT
#43
On December 12 2011 10:34 TeamLiquid Writers wrote:

Final Predictions
1st: Mvp 3-1
2nd: HerO 2-2
3rd: DRG 2-2
4th: Stephano 1-3
5th: MC 1-3



Wait. You favor HerO in there out of four matches with the fourth being a coin flip with no actual prediction given, and yet his final stats are 2-2? I am assuming that this is an oversight, as your analysis has him at least at 3-1 and the only way for the final prediction stats to have a balanced win to loss ratio for all five players combined is to have him at 3-1.

While I do not disagree with some of the match specific analysis as such, I think it is very optimistic and Liquid friendly. I can understand the discrepancy with favouring him in individual games yet putting him at 2-2; for one reason or another it is very hard to see him come out with a positive record after four games. Yes, he has been very lucky with the maps, but I cannot think of many good reasons to put him as likely to defeat neither Mvp nor DRG, much less winning both.

He has losing records both to DRG and Mvp, with losses occuring quite recently in both circumstances. At Dreamhack of course he had no choice over maps versus DRG, but versus Mvp he lost even at what he thought was his most favourable map.

I would not be very surprised with Hero going 2-2, though neither would I be confident in a score better than 1-3 or surprised at a 0-4. He can of course beat MC, though MC has a monstrous PvP record in Korea, only notable loss being against HongUn in a rather strange series that in many ways predicted his fall from grace in the GSL. His late game versus Zerg is absolutely fantastic, his early game is decidedly exploitable and I would be surprised if both Stephano and DRG let the game go very late without taking risks to punish him severely. His late game versus Terran is also quite good, though not as mind bogglingly powerful as in the Zerg matchup. Worryingly, his early game versus Terran looks to involve a lot of risk, either through very greedy play or through being very aggressive. Against Mvp I think there is a strong probability that this will once more be punished.

It is not as if I do not rate HerO as a player. In fact, I will cheer for him tomorrow. But this is an insane group and I have no idea how his proven Korean record can be disregarded. While it is not expansive and perhaps skewed from not having had much face time for one reason or another, nerve issues have been a deal breaker for him before, and while his composure might be improving, this being his most competitive tournament ever will probably not help.

Hoping for the best, but competition is stiff and HerO has to raise his game considerably to be able to get through this group. It is not impossible, but at the very least it is a bold, bold choice to make.
pPingu
Profile Joined September 2011
Switzerland2892 Posts
December 12 2011 02:11 GMT
#44
On December 12 2011 11:10 dnld12 wrote:
Meh still think Hero and MC can take on anyone


Don't know for MC with those maps, really unlucky
RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
December 12 2011 02:12 GMT
#45
Qualify 3 times or you aren't cool.
Still, gonna root for NesTea
Artosis: Yeah I was gonna probe rush but someone did that yesterday
Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
December 12 2011 02:16 GMT
#46
On December 12 2011 10:59 Joshacdcfan1 wrote:
Drg is the mOst consistent player out of all these players. If he does not win the tour ament he enters he usually places 2 or 3 that's impressive. team liquid writers lol


You mean MVP, right?
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Toez
Profile Joined June 2011
France167 Posts
December 12 2011 02:17 GMT
#47
MVP : 3-1 ( loss to MC )
Stephano : 3-1 ( loss to MVP )
MC : 2-2
Hero : 1-3
DRG : 1-3
calling it
like a baws
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 02:21:00
December 12 2011 02:18 GMT
#48
Hero's match vs MC is going to be absolutely crucial for his run. He NEEDS to win there, because even if he's somewhat favored in PvZ, he'll probably need that extra match to give him a solid footing for his match against MVP, which is probably the match in which he has the biggest chance of losing. He'll want a 3-1 as "target", he can't afford losing to MC.

Meanwhile, for MC, it's even more important, considering the crap maps he got against Zerg. MC can beat MVP, so he'll need the win vs Hero to secure 2 wins. Against the zergs, he's gonna need the matches of his life. Yeah, these maps are THAT horrible for PvZ. Don't be so quick to count him out though. MC is a very wild card, he can play amazing games one day and look like a noob the next. If he brings his A-game, he's got potential to 4-0 this group.
monXikk
Profile Joined May 2010
Poland742 Posts
December 12 2011 02:18 GMT
#49
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!
yet another IdrA's #1 fan
Childplay
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada263 Posts
December 12 2011 02:19 GMT
#50
mc! T.T
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 12 2011 02:20 GMT
#51
Protoss fighting~!
Dear Sixsmith...
Alabasern
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4005 Posts
December 12 2011 02:20 GMT
#52
HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE
Support your esport!
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
December 12 2011 02:22 GMT
#53
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this
cavalier117
Profile Joined April 2011
United States430 Posts
December 12 2011 02:24 GMT
#54
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
Logan_ps
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom118 Posts
December 12 2011 02:25 GMT
#55
Nice write up - Really looking forward to this!
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
December 12 2011 02:26 GMT
#56
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!
cavalier117
Profile Joined April 2011
United States430 Posts
December 12 2011 02:28 GMT
#57
On December 12 2011 11:26 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 11:24 cavalier117 wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:22 zyzq wrote:
On December 12 2011 11:18 monXikk wrote:
I think PuMa is arguably the current best Terran player in the world.
GL to Stephano!


what kind of troll is this


it makes sense by team liquid logic, he won one tournament, and got second in another big one in the course of one week. therefore he must be the best player of his respective race! (see where im going with this)

And he also has no success in GSL. He's the whole package!


on a serious note though, he has like the 4th highest winnings of any player with no GSL wins lol (MVP, Nestea, and MC are the only ones beating him)

no, this doesnt mean i think he's the best terran, however its hard to say that him not having GSL results matters when he's making more money than the overwhelming majority of them
Capitalization is the difference between helping your Uncle Jack off a horse and helping your uncle jack off a horse.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
December 12 2011 02:29 GMT
#58
A protoss has to do well in the gsl to be called the world's best, not get 1st and 2nd in foreign tournaments.
careohx
Profile Joined June 2011
263 Posts
December 12 2011 02:30 GMT
#59
This article kinda reeks of HerO bias but w/e
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
December 12 2011 02:30 GMT
#60
As much as I love TL, I don't predict Hero to come out 1st... I think a bit of bias showing when you predict an (relative to MVP) unproven player, based mostly on games that I didn't think were that 'spectacular' or next level. (I like JYP/WhiteRa's PvX warp prism based matchups more than I like Hero's)
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
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