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Lohse
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark237 Posts
October 29 2011 06:55 GMT
#121
Awesone awesome article. that must have been a lot of work.
pt
Profile Joined November 2010
United States813 Posts
October 29 2011 06:57 GMT
#122
link to the 121 sq replay?
EG-TL!
GiygaS
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada1043 Posts
October 29 2011 06:57 GMT
#123
So I finished a very simple, and probably slightly buggy, interface to calculate SQ. Unfortunately there's no way for it to read and write on a singular file for long term use yet, but if there's enough demand I could feasibly make one, fixing most of the bugs in the mean time. Here's the link:
http://www.mediafire.com/?zwcuj0laydh6cqp
AKA gigyas, gigas, giygas khan, giyga khan, giyga...
Nightmer09
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania16 Posts
October 29 2011 07:09 GMT
#124
and ofc, eu>na
asdadada
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 14:40:51
October 29 2011 07:21 GMT
#125
This is nothing short of amazing. RET FIGHTING!
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Corwintt
Profile Joined June 2010
Bulgaria85 Posts
October 29 2011 07:38 GMT
#126
As some people pointed out the warpgate mechanic lowers that metric for protoss. You are supposed to have money one the warpgate cooldown is finished - if not it is even worse for your macro... I think it is also ok for zerg to have floating money - Due to their mechanics they don't lose larva and can spend vast amounts of money very quickly when needed...
Impossible is nothing
Adventurekid
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Sweden505 Posts
October 29 2011 07:40 GMT
#127
Amazing, thank you so much!
You should build a turtle fence!
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
October 29 2011 07:44 GMT
#128
On October 29 2011 16:09 Nightmer09 wrote:
and ofc, eu>na


lmao, euro pride is fucking hilarious.
But wow, demuslim coming out ahead of even KR players, thats pretty crazy. I always thought he was a great, but not top tier player. Maybe i was wrong and his results will match his skills soon
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Keype
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden455 Posts
October 29 2011 07:48 GMT
#129
That was really interesting reading! Good job sir!
Tornado Terran Fighting!
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
October 29 2011 07:52 GMT
#130
i keep getting floored with how much effort and energy everyone is putting into data collection here at TL.

Every time i think we've hit an end, another study comes out, and shows how much better x person plays.

I love it.
moose...indian
NeonFox
Profile Joined January 2011
2373 Posts
October 29 2011 07:57 GMT
#131
3 of the top 5 on the american ladderboard are accounts from european pros, already present on the europe ladder as well. Should they be counted in?
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 29 2011 07:59 GMT
#132
IdrA definitely is on his game at tournaments more than ladder.

And I'm glad to see DeMuslim way up there. I've been waiting and waiting to see him in some tournaments, because I know he's awesome. xD
Starcraftplaylist
Profile Joined May 2011
194 Posts
October 29 2011 08:04 GMT
#133
HuK looks like Anton Chigurh (javier bardem) from "No Country for Old Men" in that pic
HighlyToxic
Profile Joined July 2011
France101 Posts
October 29 2011 08:12 GMT
#134
Tod is the best !
Mystogun
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States392 Posts
October 29 2011 08:15 GMT
#135
This is very intriguing. I'll be interested in seeing more results from the other regions. Nevertheless, great work!

I just wish I could remember to keep adding my SQ after every game so that I could try to compare my spending to the spending of pros. My SQ is all over the place though, with a range of like 60-88. This is definitely a good indicator of whether I'm improving my spending though! Thanks for all the time you've put into this.
"What I'm sayin' is that there are known knowns and there are known unknowns, but there's also unknown unknowns, things that we don't know we don't know." | SC2: NoiSe.730 | LoL: Galladiator
emc
Profile Joined September 2010
United States3088 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 08:19:42
October 29 2011 08:18 GMT
#136
people keep bringing up protoss SQ but what about zerg? Isn't it interesting that terran is always the highest? I think this may be because zerg maxes out quicker and ends up stacking a lot of minerals/gas and even after remaxing still has problems spending efficiently. Also muta builds eat into the SQ, because like warp gate you sometimes stack up to 1000/1000.

I also wonder how larva effects SQ for zerg. Zerg might have the money to spend but doesn't quite have the larva for it.
Namu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States826 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-29 08:39:44
October 29 2011 08:26 GMT
#137
On October 29 2011 17:18 emc wrote:
people keep bringing up protoss SQ but what about zerg? Isn't it interesting that terran is always the highest? I think this may be because zerg maxes out quicker and ends up stacking a lot of minerals/gas and even after remaxing still has problems spending efficiently. Also muta builds eat into the SQ, because like warp gate you sometimes stack up to 1000/1000.

I also wonder how larva effects SQ for zerg. Zerg might have the money to spend but doesn't quite have the larva for it.


zergs naturally will bank resources a bit more than terran because they tend on mass producing an army or drones on certain cues in the early-mid game. terran on the other hand is constant production of workers/army so it's always bad to bank resources. actually, the major part of terran macro is knowing when to build more production facilities (and constantly producing), while this is not really relevant to zergs.

this is pretty interesting. I just calculated sq for a bunch of my games, and the matchup that i'm very confident in actually has the highest sq (88~ average vs 78/76 averages)... and my total average falls in with other data too.
ForgottenOne
Profile Joined August 2010
Romania236 Posts
October 29 2011 08:27 GMT
#138
A tool that can scan a set of replays and compute the SQ would be nice.
Born free, as free as the wind blows...
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
October 29 2011 08:32 GMT
#139
Idra beasting it up when it actually matters. Highest avg SQ in MLG, SICK!
TheBomb
Profile Joined October 2011
237 Posts
October 29 2011 08:33 GMT
#140
Nice analysis. I'm actually very worried that with BW teams possibly switching to SC2 and already practicing that the skill ceiling may be reached really soon, with players like Bisu, Jaedong, Flash, etc...

I mean I would love for blizzard to make the macro mechanics harder.

Mules could last half of what they last now, of course the energy cost cut in half as well, larva inject benefits cut in half, but of course the ability made every 20 seconds and I think protoss are good in that regard.
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