In Hartwall Areena, Helsinki, Finland 13 Terrans, 10 Zergs and 9 Protoss will battle it out for 15,000 Euros - the latest installment in a long tradition. Since 1994 Assembly has been host to a number of different competitions ranging from demos to robot combat to ESPORTS.
What's that you say? There are last minute cancellations? Oh, it’s in northern Europe. As a resident Swede, forgive me for not being so surprised.
Alongside defending champion Liquid`Ret, there are a quite a few unfortunate but understandable cancellations. Ret, Tarson, White-Ra, and Strelok are going to the EU Blizzard Invitational that is being held on the same weekend. SaSe is finally on the road to Korea (paved by rakaka). GoOdy has also reported that he will not be attending for reasons unknown. Fear not as these giants are to be replaced by top Nordic contenders Bischu, Protosser, Seiplo, Fuzer and Sein and the Swiss biGs. Perhaps these names are not as familiar as the ones they are replacing, but they are still tried and true veterans of the European scene. Perhaps a few upsets are in store?
There are three foreign invaders at this event, all of whom look to be extremely dangerous. The sole North American is HuK, coming off gold medals at his last two European majors (DH and HSC3) and eager to keep his Euro streak going.
From Taiwan hails Sen, who many consider to be the top foreign Zerg after a strong showing at the NASL grand finals. With just one Korean in the field, he should be considering this to be a great opportunity to win his first major SC II event.
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
At the last Assembly we saw an all Euro final as Ret took down Morrow 3-1. Can Europe retain its pride this weekend in Finland, with a few of its key players off in Poland? Or will the ASUS ROG tournament suffer the fate of MLG, where the hometown heroes are disassembled by the outsiders?
This group is a great kick-off for the event. It’s going to be incredibly exciting with one of the best European Zergs, mTwDIMAGA, leading this group forward as the favorite. For the second seed, I believe it will be Dignitas’ very own Bischu. Bischu has been an underdog in the European scene for a very long time, but there is no doubt about his skill and potential. He has a strong chance of making it out of this group.
Complicating the group is SeiN (who is, by the way, Naama’s older brother). SeiN had a very strong performance at the previous Assembly where he managed to knock SjoW out fairly early. However, his recent inactivity makes it hard to judge his skill level. Last but not least we have imba.FXOpen.LoWeLy, a Belarusian Zerg player, who has had a number of strong performances in the weekly tournaments such as ZOTAC and Go4SC2. He’s definitely a player that can take games from the very best in Europe.
Prediction: 1. DIMAGA, 2. Bischu Upset Watch: SeiN Must Watch: DIMAGA vs. Bischu
It should be obvious who's the favorite here. Who else but Morrow, one of Europe's most well-known, loved and skilled Zergs? Every tournament he enters you expect him to go all the way. Stomping over top players and lesser-knowns alike at Assembly winter, he went all the way to the finals before taking second place to Ret. Just behind MorroW, you will find one of the fastest and most furious Terrans of Sweden in dignitas.merz. He has yet to live up to his true potential as he has been really busy with his studies, but he has been practicing extremely hard since summer break. Expect him to make a breakthrough.
Like Group A, I don’t see an upset happening. That's not to take anything away from Fuzer and Ai.Seiplo, who are both strong players who have attended numerous international events. However, I think there's a clear gap between the top two and the bottom two in this group.
Prediction: 1. MorroW, 2. merz Upset Watch: Seiplo Must Watch: MorroW vs. merz
Fnatic.MSI Sen is going to be fighting on Finnish soil and it will be a huge upset if he doesn’t go deep into the tournament. He has had some strong international performances and not even in my wildest dreams is there a scenario in which he doesn't top this group. I’ve put VirusNaama at second. While he hasn’t really shown a strong performance since his run at DreamHack Winter where he came out as the champion, he still has enough talent that you should always expect good things from him. But he’s going to have a tough time taking second place since he’s going to face off against CyberNation.SarenS. These two should be pretty evenly matched, and if they decide to adopt the recent mech TvT trends, it will be a long, hard battle for second place. And at last I can introduce the player with the most contradicting name in the history of StarCraft pro-gaming: the Zerg player FL|Protosser (at least TossGirl was a girl, even though she played Terran). For those of you who don’t know Protosser, he’s another online gosu who's looking to make a name for himself at a big event.
Prediction: 1. Sen, 2. Naama Upset Watch: Protosser Must Watch: Sen vs. Naama
If there’s a group that’s too close to call, it’s definitely this one. Still better known for his ridiculous Warcraft III skills, Happy has been absolutely dominating on Battle.net as of late. If those online skills translate at all to live events, he's going to win his group easily. Going down the list we see that Liquid`TLO is back from his hiatus and ready to compete, but he is probably not up to full speed yet. With his overall strategic brilliance he can definitely take second in this group, but he still needs more time to practice and work on the finer parts of his play. I'll play it safe and say dignitas.SjoW is going to take second place in this group, following a fairly good performance at MLG Anaheim. It really breaks my heart, but there's nowhere else to put M.Adelscott but at fourth and last place in this difficult group. Even though he finished 3rd place at last the Assembly, this group is just too even.
Prediction: 1. Happy, 2. SjoW Upset Watch: Adelscott Must Watch: TLO vs. SjoW
The legendary Orc Grubby will once again set foot in Helsinki to attend Assembly. Grubby’s first StarCraft 2 event was Assembly Winter 2011 back in February where he unfortunately got defeated in the group stages after some long, tense games late at night against SarenS. Grubby has been showing progress in each and every tournament he competes in, and I think that he's now at the level where he can get out of his group.
However, Empire.Kas is my favorite to top this group. Europe's strongest Terran has consistently shown outstanding performances both in tournaments and on the ladder. His best LAN performance was at Copenhagen Games where he took 2nd place, only thwarted by oGs.MC at the peak of his powers.
The match to really look out for in this group is M.LaLuSh against Grubby. LaLush has been performing increasingly well in the international scene, and just barely missed out on qualifying for WCG in South Korea. eXelon-Welmu is the Finnish hope in this group. I don’t see a way for him to qualify for the bracket, but he’s not a player to overlook.
Prediction: 1. Kas, 2. Grubby Upset Watch: Welmu Must Watch: LaLush vs. Grubby
Depending on what you've been watching, this prediction will be a little controversial. Everybody would think that BratOK will come out victorious in this group pretty easily. But no, he’s not. M.Stephano is going to surprise us all by taking first in this group. The fastest rising European player of the last two months wants his first big trophy, and no one is going to get in his way this early on.
FL|Satiini is also a player to look out for in this group. I doubt he’ll be able to do much, but he’s definitely capable of taking games off of anyone on his best days. Lastly a Zerg player from the French team Against All Authority, aAa.biGs, will compete for a spot in the brackets, though I don’t see him being able to do much.
Prediction: 1. Stephano, 2. Brat_OK Upset Watch: biGs Must Watch: Stephano vs. Brat_OK
Assembly is Liquid`HuK's second stop after leaving Korea to go on a lengthy foreign tournament lap. Overall, he’s probably the favorite to win the whole tournament. He won DreamHack and HomeStory Cup not long ago, and he was also the top foreigner at MLG Anaheim.
I believe MaNa - who is most famous for his incredible run through the BYOC tournament to finish 2nd overall at DreamHack Winter 2010 - will take second place in this group. His close competitor for this spot is aTn.DarKFoRcE. Both players have been a bit in the background the past few months, but I’m sure they’re both hungry for tournament wins as they fly to Helsinki.
The fourth player in this group is inf.Jimpo who's been having some decent tournament results and has the potential to get through this group with some luck.
Prediction: 1. HuK, 2. ??? Upset Watch: Jimpo Must Watch: MaNa vs. DarKFoRcE
The one and only Korean in this tournament, SK.NaDa's achievements and abilities need no introduction at all. That being said, this is a very hard group to call. We have VirusElfi who is known for his strong one-base play, while we have another Swedish top player in Liquid`HayprO who is very macro orientated and a heavy user of banelings. The last player in this tournament is Fnatic.MSI NightEnD who is not to be ignored. NightEnD is a confident player who believes he can and will be the best player in the world, and he can definitely back this up by on occasion. What he needs right now is consistency, or at least the luck to put together a strong run over the next few days. In any case, HayprO vs. NightEnd is the match to look out for in this group.
Prediction: 1. NaDa, 2. HayprO Upset Watch: Elfi Must Watch: HayprO vs. NightEnD
With Assembly being held in Finland, we thought it would only be right to talk to one of the hometown favorites. Naama, Finnish Terran extraordinaire, stopped to chat with TeamLiquid.
First, could you introduce yourself briefly to the fans?
Hello I am Santeri Lahtinen, a 18 year old guy from Finland. I go by the nickname "Naama" in Starcraft 2 and I play for the French team Virus Gaming.
You gained a lot of international fame when you won DreamHack Winter last year, but you haven't had so many good tourmanet performances since then. Could you explain what happened after DreamHack?
What happened was that my motivation decreased by alot and I didnt practice as much as I did before DH winter and I struggled to find the balance between SC2 and real life.
Do you think you are playing better now? Has your form recovered?
Yeah I'm definetly playing better now compared to 3-4 months ago but the overall level of play in the pro scene has increased as well.
On the note of finding balance betwene IRL and gaming, you're one of the younger pro-gamers in the European scene. While a lot of the other older guys with experience in BW or War3 have approached progaming as a full-time job for a large portion of their lives, how are you approaching pro-gaming considering the many opportunities that are open to you at this age?
I think Starcraft 2 has a really bright future ahead for at least the next 5 years so. I think it would be pretty wise to concentrate on pro-gaming but personally I'm not exactly sure if I want to play full time, continue studying little while playing, go to korea or whatever is a possibility. So anything is open for me at the moment. Time will tell.
So if you were succesful enough to make Code-A/S in Korea, you'd see moving there and playing as a realistic option?
Yes thats a realistic option and it would be a really fun and good experience anyways.
Let's talk about Assembly Summer. A lot of sports have significant homefield advantage for the home team. Playing in Finland, do you have a different mindset from other tournaments? Do you think there's such a thing as a homefield advantage in ESPORTS?
The homefield advantage is based on the support of the local fans and it does exist in Starcraft 2, but I don't think it's as huge as in real sports. Of course most of the live Finnish audience at the lan would prefer me to win over some foreign player in the final, but I wouldn't be a national hero (which would be the case if it was an atheletic sports tournament). But still it would be pretty cool to win in front of an audience from your own country, so maybe I will have more passion to do well in this tournament when compared to tournaments outside of Finland.
There's a lot of finnish players competing in this tournament. Do you think there's a good chance that you or one of your countrymen will win the whole tournament?
To be honest, I dont think theres a big chance that a Finnish player reaches the finals but I could do it with a bit of luck
You have a pretty tough group on paper, Sen, Sarens, and Protosser. What do you think of your opponents, and do you think you can make it out of the group stage?
Sen is pretty famous and a really good player so I would say that he's the strongest opponent in the group and that the match could go either way; small things in the game will decide the outcome of this match. Sarens is the 2nd best out of this group and I don't think it will be a huge problem as long as I don't make big mistakes and play my normal game. Protosser is a really young and talented Finnish player who practices alot and I know that he practiced alot for this event as well. So I think he has something prepared for his match with me but still I'm not too scared, I should win it.
All around, who would you pick as the strongest candidates to win the tournament?
Happy, Brat_OK, Stephano, Huk and Nada are the biggest favorites imo. All of them are pretty beastly
Moving on to some generic Starcraft II questions. Even Blizzard has admitted that Terran is a bit favored at the very highest level (korean GM) and that they have more versatility than the other races. As a Terran player, where do you think the race is at?
Well I think the game is pretty balanced outside of Korea and I dont think that Terran is imbalanced at all. Lets look at MLG, there were like 9 Loreans or so and 5 of them were Terrans. The toss players lost in PvPs and so the Korean terrans secured the first places since they are superior to foreign players. I think that Terran is strong in early midgame and weak in the lategame in all matchups.
How about TvT, where it's rapidly gone from a marine-tank game to a mech dominated game on some maps?
Yeah I really hate this new style and I wish they nerfed hellion so that we could end this silly madness. Normal tank marine based TvT is 10000 times more fun than mass hellion bulls***.
Alright, thanks for for your time. Any final shoutouts, comments, etc?
Thanks to my fans, supporters, Virus Gaming and the sponsors of my team ; Intel, Xtrem serveur and Kaspersky. I just started streaming so check it out, my nickname in Teamliquid is Naamis and the stream is on the featured list. You can also follow me in facebook www.facebook.com/NaamaSc2. Thanks for the interview.
The World Famous No need to talk about these guys at length. Without touching upon skill at all, we're pretty sure everyone knows who these players are because of fame, popularity, frequent tournament exposure, etc.
The Should-Be World Famous Enough people outside of Europe have heard of these guys, but not many recognize just how good they are. Saying these guys have "upset" potential is insulting, because they have pretty much the same chance of winning as everyone in the above group.
Adelscott: Hey, remember TSL3? And do you recall that MVP was eliminated in the first round? Yeah, that was Adelscott. Not like that's his only achievement, but considering that almost no one can take a series off a Code-A/S class Korean nowadays, I thought this would be the best example. In terms of big tournament results, he's the most accomplished French player.
BRAT_OK: Ah, our first victim of the East European passport. He's a top two Russian player, he's just had trouble getting out of the country. He should do quite well if he doesn't get turned back at customs.
DarKFoRcE: After doing quite well in smaller online tournaments, he finally got a taste of international fame by defeating Alive in two EPIC games on the first day of the NASL grand final (unfortunately he was overshadowed by Sen and then Puma in the following days). Not terribly consistent, but fully capable of taking series off more well-known opponents.
Happy: Whatever. This guy is top ten in TLPD ELO if you exclude Koreans. You don't do that without taking a lot of names.
Kas: The original "awesome European you've never heard of." The greatest online tournament competitor in SC II history (seriously, look at this TLPD page). Top five ELO amongst foreigners. And still, every live tournament, we cross our fingers and hope that he can break his LAN jinx and take home the gold.
LaLuSh: Tends to be a bit up and down, but still Sweden's #2 Zerg.
MaNa: Winning silver at DreamHack winter and bronze at HSC2 and Shoutcraft Invitational #2, Mana's definitely got an edge on the guys who've yet to back up their small tourney credentials on a bigger stage. With just one Korean in the competition, he has a clear shot at the gold.
NightEnD: Though he's became more famous recently at HSC3 for his voice (check the VODs), he's been well known in Europe for much longer as one of its best Protoss players.
SjoW: Some players build up such a reputation about being overrated that they become underrated in reality (Idra). In reverse, others have such a rep for being underrated they become overrated (Keen). Sjow is underrated - underrated. Look for him to correct that this tourney.
Stephano: #1 ELO among foreigners. Considering the rate at which he is taking down tournaments, Kas's place as the online king looks to be in jeopardy. With strong performances against the very best European players as of late, Stephano should be considered one of the favorites to win it all.
Players for Hipsters / Cool Because They're Less Known Hey, we liked these guys before you ever heard of them. For the most part, these guys have been proving their skills in online tournaments with stiff competition but poor exposure, like aspiring indie bands playing in some Glasgow pub (Naniwa is Mumford and Sons, we have determined. Just as good as he used to be, but gets no credit now that he's famous).
elfi: Elfi is a real threat to anyone. Very underrated Protoss who demolishes online cups. He may very well be the best player in Finland, but some may disagree. His big event results are very bad though, possibly due to nerves.
LoWeLy: Very good online, always showing up in the top 3 of online cups. Seems to be falling off a LITTLE lately. Making his first major offline appearance at Assembly. He has a tough group, but he might be able to pull it off.
meRz: Crazy APM, probably the highest average in all of SC2 (or any) progaming? During Dreamhack he had 100 more average APM than the 2nd highest APM player with a blazingly fast 340 SC2 APM (470 real apm) AVERAGE. He rarely wins anything, but has had some promising games at big events. At worst, he's still ridiculously entertaining with his APM. Could definitely surprise a lot of people out of his group.
Naama: People seem to forget that this guy won Dreamhack winter 2010, taking out oGs.TOP along the way. Hasn't showed insanely good results since, but does win/runner-up in a fair share of moderately sized EU events and online cups. Tough call between him and Sarens in his group for #2 spot.
SarenS: If it weren't for Stephano, he'd probably win everything in France. He may be better than ToD and Adellscott, but that's still up for debate. Won Eosl Summer '11, and Eosl Winter '10: two huge French-only events which included the entire French bigshot lineup.
Satiini: Shows up quite often in a lot of online cups, and does quite well. Yet to really pop, but is always out there as a threat. Used to have aerophobia, but has supposedly gotten over it. Will be probably be battling with BratOK for 2nd spot in this group.
Seiplo: Another notable performer in online cups. Can take games off anyone in Europe. Tends to be inconsistent, so it's a tough call.
Longshots I swear we're not hating on Finland here, it's just that too few of their players have gone out and proved themselves in tourneys with the rest of Europe's best players.
biGs: Very unknown Zerg with Good ZvT. Was runner-up at the LDLC Summer Trophy. For notable wins, he smashed BRATOK in a couple of events. Considering the groups, he might have the best chance in this tier of causing an upset in the group stage.
Bischu: Started to rise a little lately, but is constantly overshadowed by other Sweden talent. Doesn't win much, but his name is always floating around. Probably the best player in this tier, but he's stuck in a group of death at Assembly.
Fuzer: Likes to place second in a lot of online cups, though he's not had much luck at taking gold. Like the rest of the hometown boys, he gonna have a rough time.
Jimpo: Does okay in online cups, seems to REALLY be falling off lately. His chances are doubtful.
Protosser: There's not much information about this player who's stayed largely confined to Finland for now. Naama didn't seem overly concerned about him, though he respected his recent efforst to get better.
SeiN: After doing okay at Assembly Winter, we haven't heard much from Finnish Protoss. As a late replacement for Strelok, we have to wonder how prepared he is.
Welmu: The stats say he can take the odd game off top players, but it seems unlikely that he's gonna win a series of a round robin group.
Whoa! Imagine this tournament without the cancellations - not to disrespect the replacements but the list of people who can't make is like headliner after headliner. Looking through the groups there are going to be some sick matches. I hope NaDa has a solid performance for his journey outside of Korea! Rooting for HuK as usual and praying for Hayder
I feel bad for Grubby- he was making bank it WC3 and he was absolutely AMAZING back then, his transition to sc2 has been rather terrible so i hope that he can redeem himself. I see top three as Sen Huk and Nada- no idea who is going to win though.
You linked the Happy to the wrong TLPD!! When I click on Happy's TLPD in this thread it sends me to IMHappy, whose clearly not as baller as Empire.Happy.
Good read, Naama's interview seemed kind of weird in the lack of a better word. Usually the answers are (much) longer than the questions, where as this time it was the other way around
Great to read, thanks. I almost agree with all predictions but I think in group G Darkforce should advance because Mana's vZ is still bad compared to his other matchups. And I believe Grubby will not make it out of his group. LaLush will kick him out.
On August 04 2011 15:14 human_ko wrote: is it so hard to write WHEN its gonna take place?? somebody fire that writer, why must ppl go search on liquipedia to figure out when its coming..
also, making preview 3 hours before its start is quite.. meaningless
part of our exclusive promotion agreement with liquipedia ^^
Oh snap how did I not know Sen was playing? Now I'm even more stoked for this tournament. But how am I supposed to choose between whether to root for him or Nada?
SjoW: Some players build up such a reputation about being overrated that they become underrated in reality (Idra). In reverse, others have such a rep for being underrated they become overrated (Keen). Sjow is underrated - underrated. Look for him to correct that this tourney.
I take issue with this statement. Us Keen fans love him because of his hilarious ceremonies, not because we think he's going to win code S any time soon (although that would be awesome if he did). Someone who fits the so underrated he became overrated category is sC or Leenock.
On August 04 2011 15:14 human_ko wrote: is it so hard to write WHEN its gonna take place?? somebody fire that writer, why must ppl go search on liquipedia to figure out when its coming..
also, making preview 3 hours before its start is quite.. meaningless
On August 04 2011 15:14 human_ko wrote: is it so hard to write WHEN its gonna take place?? somebody fire that writer, why must ppl go search on liquipedia to figure out when its coming..
also, making preview 3 hours before its start is quite.. meaningless
"Normal tank marine based TvT is 10000 times more fun than mass hellion bulls***." I lol'ed when I read that.
Thanks for the sick coverage, I'm hella looking forward to Naama, Stephano and Huk's performances. I'm not really a follower of Stephano, but I want him to prove to me that I should be, and I have missed seeing Naama around a lot. Huk is my Protoss hero!!
Players I expect so show their ultimate powers are Haypro and Happy. Haypro is very respected and very highly skilled, but he doesn't really do as well as I'd like in bigger events. I always feel like if Haypro had that extra bit of practice, or that extra tiny bit of in-game magic, he could take that one game he needed from that one super tough opponent, which would keep him in the tournament. Anyone else get that?
How about TvT, where it's rapidly gone from a marine-tank game to a mech dominated game on some maps?
Yeah I really hate this new style and I wish they nerfed hellion so that we could end this silly madness. Normal tank marine based TvT is 10000 times more fun than mass hellion bulls***.
On August 04 2011 15:23 Shebuha wrote: Haypro is very respected and very highly skilled, but he doesn't really do as well as I'd like in bigger events. I always feel like if Haypro had that extra bit of practice, or that extra tiny bit of in-game magic, he could take that one game he needed from that one super tough opponent, which would keep him in the tournament. Anyone else get that?
I see people say this about Haypro a lot but I think he actually has been doing pretty well at the MLG's this year. Took a game off HuK and 2-0ed TLO and Tyler in Anaheim, finished 2nd in his group at Columbus (to Losira)... He just does all of this under the radar, very solid player recently at tournaments.
gogogo HUK! I suppose he never came back to korea after MLG, he must have been partying with English-speaking people (not talking to koreans in broken english tt)
lowely is going to crush group A happy is not goint to win vs tlo or sjow and kas is not going to get first in his group (grubby or kas will fall out lalush will take it) <3
great preview gogo assembly finally darkforce gets to play in a big tournament (although he is like in the hardest or 2nd hardest group +playnig 2 very strong protossses sooo...)
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
Haha, no.
Maybe because of the eat or be eaten nature of the ESPORTS world, the fans of the present only remember the MSL and OSLs as the majors, and perhaps they deserve to be because of their perseverance and legacy.
But Nada won numerous other competitions that featured the best pro-gamers of the time and significant prize purses, which just didn't survive as long as the illustrious SL duo. The Premiere League, and GemTV tournaments come immediately to mind.
So i thought about the groups and it seems there is an uneven distribution of skill among them. Lets have poll on that:
Edit: Here are the groups:
Group A - Bischu, DIMAGA, LoWeLy, Sein Group B: Fuzer, meRz, MorroW, Seiplo Group C: Naama, Protosser, SarenS, Sen Group D: Adelscott, Happy, SjoW, TLO Group E: Grubby, Kas, LaLuSh, Welmu Group F: biGs, BRAT_OK, Satiini, Stephano Group G: DarKFoRcE, HuK, Jimpo, MaNa, Group H: elfi. HayprO, NaDa, NightEnD
Poll: Which group is the most difficult, has the highest overall skill?
Group G (9)
32%
Group D (8)
29%
Group F (5)
18%
Group H (3)
11%
Group E (2)
7%
Group A (1)
4%
Group B (0)
0%
Group C (0)
0%
28 total votes
Your vote: Which group is the most difficult, has the highest overall skill?
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
We shouldn't only count OSL and MSL victories. In terms of medals alone, NaDa has two more MSL silvers than Flash (3 compared to 1). And if you look at their respectiveachievements, NaDa has won far more small events than Flash, because most of them no longer exist. It's completely fair to say that NaDa is still the most decorated Brood War player of all time, and I really think that Flash would have to win two more starleagues to completely overshadow NaDa's numerous smaller victories. Flash is obviously the better player, but NaDa's list of achievements on Liquipedia is still three times longer.
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
Haha, no.
Maybe because of the eat or be eaten nature of the ESPORTS world, the fans of the present only remember the MSL and OSLs as the majors, and perhaps they deserve to be because of their perseverance and legacy.
But Nada won numerous other competitions that featured the best pro-gamers of the time and significant prize purses, which just didn't survive as long as the illustrious SL duo. The Premiere League, and GemTV tournaments come immediately to mind.
Flash and Jaedong won lots of stuff outside of OSL/MSL too like WCG and the GOMTV classics. Maybe in raw numbers they haven't won as much as Nada but it's not their fault they didn't have as many tournaments to win. Is Usain Bolt less decorated then Michael Phelps because he only won 3 olympic gold medals in Beijing vs Phelps' 8?
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
Haha, no.
Maybe because of the eat or be eaten nature of the ESPORTS world, the fans of the present only remember the MSL and OSLs as the majors, and perhaps they deserve to be because of their perseverance and legacy.
But Nada won numerous other competitions that featured the best pro-gamers of the time and significant prize purses, which just didn't survive as long as the illustrious SL duo. The Premiere League, and GemTV tournaments come immediately to mind.
Flash and Jaedong won lots of stuff outside of OSL/MSL too like WCG and the GOMTV classics. Maybe in raw numbers they haven't won as much as Nada but it's not their fault they didn't have as many tournaments to win. Is Usain Bolt less decorated then Michael Phelps because he only won 3 olympic gold medals in Beijing vs Phelps' 8?
yeah, by definition michael phelps is more decorated than bolt. I think that's what I'm going for here :o
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
Haha, no.
Maybe because of the eat or be eaten nature of the ESPORTS world, the fans of the present only remember the MSL and OSLs as the majors, and perhaps they deserve to be because of their perseverance and legacy.
But Nada won numerous other competitions that featured the best pro-gamers of the time and significant prize purses, which just didn't survive as long as the illustrious SL duo. The Premiere League, and GemTV tournaments come immediately to mind.
Flash and Jaedong won lots of stuff outside of OSL/MSL too like WCG and the GOMTV classics. Maybe in raw numbers they haven't won as much as Nada but it's not their fault they didn't have as many tournaments to win. Is Usain Bolt less decorated then Michael Phelps because he only won 3 olympic gold medals in Beijing vs Phelps' 8?
yeah, by definition michael phelps is more decorated than bolt. I think that's what I'm going for here :o
Exactly. "More decorated" has absolutely no correlation with "better," or anything else at all. NaDa has won more tournaments than Flash has. It may not be Flash's fault that he has fewer tournaments to win, but that changes nothing. NaDa is the more decorated player, which is all that was claimed.
Group A - Bischu, DIMAGA, LoWeLy, Sein Group B: Fuzer, meRz, MorroW, Seiplo Group C: Naama, Protosser, SarenS, Sen Group D: Adelscott,Happy, SjoW, TLO Group E: Grubby, Kas, LaLuSh, Welmu Group F: biGs, BRAT_OK, Satiini, Stephano Group G: DarKFoRcE, HuK, Jimpo, MaNa, Group H: elfi. HayprO, NaDa, NightEnD
That lone Korean competitor is none other than Lee Yun Yeol, NaDa, the Tornado Terran, and second Bonjwa - who is finally stepping on North European soil after a cancelled DreamHack summer appearance. By far the most decorated players in Brood War history, the six time champion has partnered with SK-Gaming to try and add foreign titles to his resume.
Flash is just as decorated, and jaedong almost as much. That statement kind of annoys me.
Haha, no.
Maybe because of the eat or be eaten nature of the ESPORTS world, the fans of the present only remember the MSL and OSLs as the majors, and perhaps they deserve to be because of their perseverance and legacy.
But Nada won numerous other competitions that featured the best pro-gamers of the time and significant prize purses, which just didn't survive as long as the illustrious SL duo. The Premiere League, and GemTV tournaments come immediately to mind.
Flash and Jaedong won lots of stuff outside of OSL/MSL too like WCG and the GOMTV classics. Maybe in raw numbers they haven't won as much as Nada but it's not their fault they didn't have as many tournaments to win. Is Usain Bolt less decorated then Michael Phelps because he only won 3 olympic gold medals in Beijing vs Phelps' 8?
yeah, by definition michael phelps is more decorated than bolt. I think that's what I'm going for here :o
Well if that's the definition of the word 'decorated' then I guess I can't argue with that. It just sounds weird for me to say that MC is more decorated than Nestea or Goody is more decorated than MVP.
Only one Korean in this tournament? That sounds like a lucky break for all the competitors, until they realize that it's NaDa. BoxeR showed why he earned and deserved the title of bonjwa at MLG Anahiem. Now is the time for NaDa to show why he belongs to the lineage of bonjwas.
Hmm my predictions are easy wins by known players although there might be some upsets. NaDa is gonna get gold and HuK/Sen at 2nd or 3rd. Dimaga might pull something, but he hasn't been that kinda top notch to beat a NaDa
Miki picks: Group A - Bischu, DIMAGA, LoWeLy, Sein Group B: Fuzer, meRz, MorroW, Seiplo Group C: Naama, Protosser, SarenS, Sen Group D: Adelscott, Happy, SjoW, TLO Group E: Grubby, Kas, LaLuSh, Welmu Group F: biGs, BRAT_OK, Satiini, Stephano Group G: DarKFoRcE,HuK, Jimpo, MaNa, Group H: elfi. HayprO, NaDa, NightEnD
FFS I was sooooo going but then whaddaya know I got a real bad fever((( The biggest tournament by far we have seen in Finland, Huk, Nada, Naama HWAITING!!
On August 04 2011 19:46 Pholon wrote: Don't forget to check Liquipedia for latest Results and Standings
Thanks for that I thought the wasnt much being talked about at least now I can see what is happening, in work so will be refreshing every few minutes!!!
Best EU Players in this tournament are Stephano, Happy and Kas.
My favorites: Group A - Bischu, DIMAGA, LoWeLy, Sein Group B: Fuzer, meRz, MorroW, Seiplo Group C: Naama, Protosser, SarenS, Sen Group D: Adelscott, Happy, SjoW, TLO Group E: Grubby, Kas, LaLuSh, Welmu Group F: biGs, BRAT_OK, Satiini, Stephano Group G: DarKFoRcE, HuK, Jimpo, MaNa, Group H:elfi. HayprO, NaDa, NightEnD
Too bad we can not see 100 APM (Goody) winning against 400 APM (merz).
So Naniwa is Mumford & Sons. Now after the Storm takes on a whole new meaning.
Top European players who don't attend international events. Lesser known players who have something to prove. Nada, Huk and Sen.
This tournament has the makings of a really good event, I'm hyped!
My picks: Group A - Bischu, DIMAGA, LoWeLy, Sein Group B: Fuzer, meRz, MorroW, Seiplo Group C: Naama, Protosser, SarenS, Sen Group D: Adelscott, Happy, SjoW, TLO Group E: Grubby, Kas, LaLuSh, Welmu Group F: biGs, BRAT_OK, Satiini, Stephano Group G: DarKFoRcE, HuK, Jimpo, MaNa, Group H: elfi. HayprO, NaDa, NightEnD
edit:Haha why don't I just make my picks when the event is finished! >.<
After the groups, this should be a fantastic tournament.
But for such a huge and well-known tournament, there are just too many unknowns whose spots could be filled with better players, it should still be great though!
I think it's maybe your perspective. Quite frankly, I think Group F is quite difficult. Group A and B look like the easiest to me. But some of the variation is due to cancellations.
I'm gonna come off as a hater, but I think the problem with this is that international events have already begun integrating Koreans and now the ones that don't seem less serious or like they're a minor league. Only inviting 1 Korean is an interesting approach, I'm still not sure how I feel about it.
You would think that it would just make things too easy for Nada, but with Huk and Sen there, he's not guaranteed a win or anything. But with all the cancellations, why invite lesser known Europeans instead of more Koreans, if they will come?
Huk is going crazy trying to play in ever tournament he can mlg, gsl and now assembly. I'm really curious how he gets over jet lag so easily? No matter Huk to take it all!
ehm, bratok is top1 in russia btw. Happy is not even close and this is not is not just fanboism: make a match between two and Dima will hardly win a game :O
On August 05 2011 06:48 razy wrote: ehm, bratok is top1 in russia btw. Happy is not even close and this is not is not just fanboism: make a match between two and Dima will hardly win a game :O
Oh, I'm sorry, because bratok totally beat Professor Tea handily in a tournament. Yeah, that guy who won what, 3 GSLS now? Hmmm, I recall Artosis that he was nearing Bonjwa status... no yeah I'm pretty sure that was only Dimaga :/
On August 05 2011 06:48 razy wrote: ehm, bratok is top1 in russia btw. Happy is not even close and this is not is not just fanboism: make a match between two and Dima will hardly win a game :O
Oh, I'm sorry, because bratok totally beat Professor Tea handily in a tournament. Yeah, that guy who won what, 3 GSLS now? Hmmm, I recall Artosis that he was nearing Bonjwa status... no yeah I'm pretty sure that was only Dimaga :/
By your logic Dimaga is a bonjwa amongst bonjwas then.
I have actually already hosted some Happy vs Bratok games for Go4SC2 a couple months back and it was an extremely close series ( Breatok Won 2 1 if I recall correctly )
Still That Stephano vs Brat OK game was quality and was only due to the poor tournament format. Next time they will draw the.
On August 05 2011 15:54 Flwz wrote: I have actually already hosted some Happy vs Bratok games for Go4SC2 a couple months back and it was an extremely close series ( Breatok Won 2 1 if I recall correctly )
Still That Stephano vs Brat OK game was quality and was only due to the poor tournament format. Next time they will draw the.
Every recent series between them i've seen ended 2-0 or 3-0 in brat's favour including go4sc2/... It's pretty easy to check anyways.
On August 05 2011 02:31 Lewan72 wrote: Tbh Huk Nada and Sen are the only "top tier" player this tournement..oh well, will still watch it for them!
Lol
Dimaga with IdrA are the best foreigner Zergs with exception that Dimaga dont leave games when he still got a chance (game 1 of final) Mana is God of PvT and worked on PvZ alot so i see him top tier Kas is one of the best foreigner Terrans if not the best Sjow, Haypro, Morrow, Darkforce and Stephano are top tier too
And the Event was awesome, moore money then MLG and all games casted!
Does anybody know whether any pro gamer is still in Helsinki? I briefly met NightEnd and team diginitas, seen dimaga too, but completely missed team liquid. If any of the pros is still here even just some starcraft fans and you feel like grabbing a beer somewhere send me a PM. Cheers!