EPTGSL World Championship: Korea vs The World - Page 8
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bloodyshinta
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PartyBiscuit
Canada4525 Posts
On April 05 2011 06:52 bloodyshinta wrote: whyare there no links to the vods? http://www.gomtv.net/2011championship/vod/ | ||
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Divinek
Canada4045 Posts
On April 05 2011 05:20 LuciferSC wrote: I personally don't like generalizing, but u can't possibly categorize foreigners as being strong in micro. If anything, there are much more macro oriented. Koreans out-micro foreigners, in general. I think it's hard to be black and white about just better at macro or micro. But certainly where they came out ahead before was in their multi tasking. I remember a great quote from artosis I think? During a game of july vs some terran where july is chasing an scv with his drone and killing it while moving, ie intense micro, "any foreigner doing would have 500 minerals" They were far far better at multi tasking in bw, being able to micro amazingly while keeping that macro in beast mode | ||
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orangepie
United States24 Posts
But even with that being said, I think the world is nearly equal with Koreans. I don't think the GSL is an accurate assessment of skill, heres why: there isn't an equal amount of world players vs. Koreans in the tournament. Let's say that the percentage of players who enter the GSL is 10% foreigners and 90% koreans. Well, chances are that Koreans will win more. Besides, Jinro made it to the quarterfinals like 2 times, right? So the percentage entering versus percent who make it to the quarter finals is pretty good right, maybe even favoring foreigners. And I hope no one argues that only the best foreigners compete in the GSL. I mean they are good, no doubt, and Jinro is probly one of the best. But I think some of the best have not played in it. We also have to consider players in their prime. For example, a few months ago no one thought Naniwa was the best by any means, but right now at this moment in time it can be argued he is the best in Europe, maybe even the US, considering his 25-2 showing in the MLG... I think the article also should have mentioned the TSL, where there is a better percentage of Koreans vs. foreigners competing, and foreigners are doing very well. As MC said, foreigners got an upgrade hahahah. Maybe we just got lair tech. Or built a tech lab. | ||
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Skaggs
United States57 Posts
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PoopLord
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ZergMaestro
United States169 Posts
I don't think its bad. I think its kinda cool. I can't think of any progamers older then them. Im 22 so in starcraft years I should be having my midlife crisis soon. I feel bad that I dont pull for the non-koreans to win. The only non-koreans I really root for are whitera, nony, and Mr. TLO. | ||
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underdawg
United States399 Posts
On April 04 2011 22:26 Markwerf wrote: Unfortunately Koreans still seem to own white dudes. The team event wasn't taken serious really by the koreans which showed in some of the tactics and interviews about it. For example MVP went BC in the game he dropped because it would be an awesome way to play and San also went carrier earlier which he probably wouldn't do in a personal league. Teamleagues are also a horrible way to gauge skill as there is no way you can prepare or respond to an opponent in them. You face an unknown opponent in a BO1 and if you win the other team can send out someone prepared for you... The entire format is made to cause upsets which makes it fun to watch but also off relatively no meaning to actual skill of teams and players involved. The top players don't take these teamleagues serious yet and really why should they? Sometimes they show up without even having to play... In most personal events koreans outperformed non-koreans by quite a bit with the exception of TSL. TSL itself really seems to give hope that the gap isn't as big (yet) but then again the lagfactor is hard to exclude from that tournament. Lag might not have been that bad but koreans aren't used to playing with it so they had a relative disadvantage in that way. The best way to gauge difference between the koreans and the rest will probably be the NASL. The proportion of koreans (8 out of 50?) and the number of games are both big enough to actually get some sensible data from that tournament. I wouldn't be surprised if all the koreans end up placing top 3 of their group there which will show that they truly stand alone skillwise. there were also random signs too...like MVP seeming to want to scout with a lone BC lol. "PLEASE, NEURAL PARASITE ME!!!!!" MVP is not the kind of player that would throw a BC away. look who knows if the foreigners were trying their best in the team showmatch, but it's clear the koreans weren't. cella posted here saying, hey guys what builds do you want to see, I'll do it even if we lose. MVP's comments about the BCs. the entire foreigner team's comments. hell, even posts like this is why they wanted to keep it close, IMO. how much more exciting was it because it went 9-8? still, dimaga over nestea is still HUGE and i don't think anyone really thinks that koreans are genetically better at sc2, why do people keep talking about how that's not true? with the proper numbers, environment, and practice, korea would be just another country in sc2. | ||
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iamthedave
England2814 Posts
 Still, the gap is closing. And if we had more of the champion foreigners there it could have been over. I doubt we'll ever get the 'best' in the GSL though. With the market getting larger outside Korea, there's less incentive for a top foreigner to try their hand. To be honest I think the real question is whether or not the Koreans will end up marginalized in a year or two. | ||
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nymfaw
Norway430 Posts
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sashamunguia
Mexico423 Posts
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Sixears
United States22 Posts
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KOFgokuon
United States14912 Posts
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rapier7
United States46 Posts
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tripper688
United States569 Posts
On April 05 2011 19:54 iamthedave wrote: I think the fact no foreigners made it to the semis puts paid to the exuberance of the team event Still, the gap is closing. And if we had more of the champion foreigners there it could have been over. I doubt we'll ever get the 'best' in the GSL though. With the market getting larger outside Korea, there's less incentive for a top foreigner to try their hand. To be honest I think the real question is whether or not the Koreans will end up marginalized in a year or two. The gap may be closing but there is still a gap...think of it this way. What's to say that the champion foreigners would have been champs had they been playing against top Koreans in all of those events? I get the feeling that as of right now and the foreseeable future (year from now), even if the GSL were to cease to exist, we'd get a lot more results like the IEMWC. | ||
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orangepie
United States24 Posts
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hmmm...
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On April 05 2011 19:54 iamthedave wrote: I think the fact no foreigners made it to the semis puts paid to the exuberance of the team event Still, the gap is closing. And if we had more of the champion foreigners there it could have been over. I doubt we'll ever get the 'best' in the GSL though. With the market getting larger outside Korea, there's less incentive for a top foreigner to try their hand. To be honest I think the real question is whether or not the Koreans will end up marginalized in a year or two. it's true that the market is getting larger, but without the culture there, in 7-8 years, the market will only shrink imo. and i think any foreigner who's not just playing for the money but truly wishes to prove oneself as the best will try to compete in the GSL since GSL is still the most prestigious tournament with indisputably the highest quality of play (btw watch the GSL WC Semis!!!) and also, any top foreigner will always have that blemish on their resume when he hasn't proved himself against the best koreans so i'm sure GSL will remain for a long while. | ||
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F u r u y a
Brazil173 Posts
On April 05 2011 01:43 OldMiser wrote: Unfortunately, imo the gap between koreans and foreigners will only grow bigger. I say that cuz I believe sc2 is still very "abstract"... it's probably going to get more and more "concrete" over time, and once there are very solid playstyles (like in BW), and the game turns almost completely to micro/macro, the koreans will rape everyone mercylessly. That's just what I think anyway... Nice write-up btw! That's very sad, but may be true. The closest the game gets to being just micro/macro mechanics, the farthest it gets from being a strategy game, IMO. Is there a way for the designers to guarantee a margin of abstraction in the game? Because that's what makes the game beautiful. | ||
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iRk
Sweden83 Posts
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Synwave
United States2803 Posts
Thanks for the recap write-up! | ||
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