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On April 04 2011 11:15 Turgid wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 11:06 lowercase wrote:On April 04 2011 10:44 Steamroller wrote:
Everyone should know by now that team matches meant nothing. They were only showmatches. When real tournament started only Dimaga actually managed to achieve something worth to mention. Disagree. Those "show" team matches were some of the best games I've ever seen. Well, I'm sure there have been plenty of unbelievable practice games in the IM, oGs, or Startale houses, but that doesn't mean they meant anything  Dimaga was totally sick against Nestea though. It's doubtful that the Koreans could ever pull as far ahead again as they did in Brood War; remember when Stork went 1 base Scout against Koll and won seemingly without effort? So depressing.
That's partly because there are all sorts of units with moving shots like scouts in BW. That, and stacking air units. The more micro tricks there are, the bigger the advantage the Koreans have because they have better mechanics and multitasking.
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TT1 taking off a game from MKP is like MVP taking a game off Flash in BW
and Bomber 4-0'd WhiteRa in a showmatch and 4-2'd in a follow up match which Bomber was up 3 wins already.
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is there a vod of White-Ra vs MC game? Can't find it
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On April 05 2011 00:19 skrzmark wrote:
TT1 taking off a game from MKP is like MVP taking a game off Flash in BW
and Bomber 4-0'd WhiteRa in a showmatch and 4-2'd in a follow up match which Bomber was up 3 wins already.
Wasn't MVP at the top of the game when he left BW? OSL top 4 or something.
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Not to take anything away from any of the foreign players, but could Artosis be the great unsung hero of this tournament?
When the foreigners were matched randomly against the Koreans, only one of them took a game off the Koreans, but in the team tournament, everyone, except July was shut down within a match or two. I reckon a lot of that must be due to Artosis' coaching and player selection - knowing the playstyles of all the players involved, and who-would-be-best-at-sniping-who, and all that sort of thing.
It kinda makes me want to see a regular team tournament where Artosis could get the chance to do this sort of thing every month!
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On April 05 2011 00:27 Fyodor wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 00:19 skrzmark wrote:
TT1 taking off a game from MKP is like MVP taking a game off Flash in BW
and Bomber 4-0'd WhiteRa in a showmatch and 4-2'd in a follow up match which Bomber was up 3 wins already. Wasn't MVP at the top of the game when he left BW? OSL top 4 or something.
He wasn't in the Ro4 . He was in the Ro16 or Ro8 in the MSL and managed to take a game off Flash . That what his best performance , but when he switched MVP was way below his top level .
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Beautiful writeup, Divinek! 
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Nice writeup The world champs team league has been im fav event so far by gom, hope they do it again
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Can I make a suggestion?
I would be nice if you put "The VODS for this event is for FREE and avaliable on gomtv.net" in HUGE BOLD RED letters... I think some(I daresay many) people did not watch it because they thought they needed to pay or something...
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Thanks for the write-up! This was a great watch, and I hope the Korean and foreigner players get together more in the future.
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Nice to see foreigners doing so well. Although they didn't make it very far on the random brackets.
Unfortunately, imo the gap between koreans and foreigners will only grow bigger. I say that cuz I believe sc2 is still very "abstract"... it's probably going to get more and more "concrete" over time, and once there are very solid playstyles (like in BW), and the game turns almost completely to micro/macro, the koreans will rape everyone mercylessly. That's just what I think anyway... Nice write-up btw!
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"The first important thing to note from this second day is that in the game between Dimaga and MVP, there was a technical issue where MVP dropped causing a regame. Thankfully this was in a situation where the winner was unclear and no one was weaseled out of victory."
I read the first page but don't have time to read the entire thread, so I'm sure other people have commented on this, but I just wanted to point out my disappointment in this comment. I've watched every single GSL game since the start of GSL1, and am a pretty competent player, and there is no way Dimaga was winning that game. I was cheering for Dimaga (like most everyone else), but in a community that prides itself on being passionate and knowledgeable about this game, I'm disappointed to see such a dismissal of reality. His advantage in this game was comparable to the MLG game between Naniwa and Select, where the correct call was made, in my opinion. If this was a serious individual tournament for prize money rather than an exhibition, I believe MVP would have been awarded the win.
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On April 04 2011 23:51 MildSeven wrote:
As impressed and happy as i was about the GSTL's results, especially in regards to foreigner's performance, this article seems a little over-eager in exxagerating the foreigner's skills.
The world championship individual tournament after really shows the difference between the koreans. I think the koreans were simply taken out by surprise during the GSTL. In the actual individual series of best of 3, best of 5 etc. Almost all the non-koreans were crushed except for dimaga.
And in regards to GSTL, TT1's "accomplishments" were over-exxagerated by Artosis and Tasteless' high expectations. TT1's victories, by his own account were genuinely due to mistake of others and bit of luck and primarily not off the merit of his own abilities. Even in the match against moondragon, where TT1 won it with two games of forge FE turtling into late game deathball, he looked so medicore.
When faced with marineking.prime, you can really see how bad TT1 is, mentally and skillfully.
Thus I think we shouldn't take too much out of the GSTL other than the fact that particular players like Dimaga and Sen and Whitera on the occasions really have the potential but probaly are still of a huge gap with the koreans in real individual series or when the Koreans adopt quickly to the foreigner's strategies.
I don't necessarily think the gap is huge but there definitely is a visible gap when looking at individual leagues. For the most part, I agree 100% though. While I thought it was just the community, some of the reporting seems to show a bit of foreigner bias as well haha.
On April 05 2011 00:09 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 23:45 bgx wrote:
poor anypro being squeezed beetwen dimaga and july ^^ I would pay money to get a picture between Dimaga and July . They are probably the only zergs who are interesting to watch .
Kyrix is pretty fun to watch when he's on his game..
On April 05 2011 00:13 raga4ka wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 18:18 Euronyme wrote:On April 04 2011 10:46 Itsmedudeman wrote:
koreans are still ahead, just not as much as they were in BW lol. We just went down 7-8. I'd say just from these results, and from the TSL, we're pretty even, judging from results atleast. I do believe that mvp especially is a class for himself though. The multitasking of that guy is through the roof. I highly recommend everyone to watch the whitera vs MC games. It was beautiful. The dimaga games also gave goose bumps, but not quite as shiny as the ra vs MC game imo. Awesome allround tournament. Dimaga was the only player who past a korean in the individual tournament . With 1 game being a BO win and 1 game outplaying Nestea . So no they are not pretty even .
not to mention the lag fiasco in TSL
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LOL the article starts off with a race reference how awesome..
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It was a great tournament to watch.. The first world team vs korean team part was the best imo.. WhiteRa beating MC and DIMAGA's overall performance will be remembered.. :D Hope to see another more GSL WCs in the future..
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Those matches were just amazing, thanks for the feedback TL =]
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On April 05 2011 00:13 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 04 2011 11:15 Turgid wrote:On April 04 2011 11:06 lowercase wrote:On April 04 2011 10:44 Steamroller wrote:
Everyone should know by now that team matches meant nothing. They were only showmatches. When real tournament started only Dimaga actually managed to achieve something worth to mention. Disagree. Those "show" team matches were some of the best games I've ever seen. Well, I'm sure there have been plenty of unbelievable practice games in the IM, oGs, or Startale houses, but that doesn't mean they meant anything Dimaga was totally sick against Nestea though. It's doubtful that the Koreans could ever pull as far ahead again as they did in Brood War; remember when Stork went 1 base Scout against Koll and won seemingly without effort? So depressing. That's partly because there are all sorts of units with moving shots like scouts in BW. That, and stacking air units. The more micro tricks there are, the bigger the advantage the Koreans have because they have better mechanics and multitasking.
This makes more sense when referring to broodwars, but it seems to be the opposite case in sc2 as the foreigners seem to be more micro oriented. I have a feeling it's the fact that many foreigners were top in wc3, and wc3 players have excellent micro.
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Do you have more photos of the event???
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this event was amazing. i've never been so excited during tournament. i lol'ed pretty hard at MC's taunt and his giant board lmao
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On April 05 2011 03:42 ed21x wrote:Show nested quote +On April 05 2011 00:13 andrewlt wrote:On April 04 2011 11:15 Turgid wrote:On April 04 2011 11:06 lowercase wrote:On April 04 2011 10:44 Steamroller wrote:
Everyone should know by now that team matches meant nothing. They were only showmatches. When real tournament started only Dimaga actually managed to achieve something worth to mention. Disagree. Those "show" team matches were some of the best games I've ever seen. Well, I'm sure there have been plenty of unbelievable practice games in the IM, oGs, or Startale houses, but that doesn't mean they meant anything Dimaga was totally sick against Nestea though. It's doubtful that the Koreans could ever pull as far ahead again as they did in Brood War; remember when Stork went 1 base Scout against Koll and won seemingly without effort? So depressing. That's partly because there are all sorts of units with moving shots like scouts in BW. That, and stacking air units. The more micro tricks there are, the bigger the advantage the Koreans have because they have better mechanics and multitasking. This makes more sense when referring to broodwars, but it seems to be the opposite case in sc2 as the foreigners seem to be more micro oriented. I have a feeling it's the fact that many foreigners were top in wc3, and wc3 players have excellent micro.
I personally don't like generalizing, but u can't possibly categorize foreigners as being strong in micro. If anything, there are much more macro oriented. Koreans out-micro foreigners, in general.
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