since i wasn't playing the beta and wasn't following any beta coverage at all i was absolutely new to sc2 when it was released. but thanks to liquipedia i think i caught up quite quickly. The (Wiki)

4 Warpgate Rush Article helped me alot for my placement matches

so thanks for all the effort you're putting in there. great job.

uberdeluxe

Canada306 Posts

August 17 2010 22:57 GMT

#22

im glad they're bringing liquipedia to everyones attention, the SC2 version has been somewhat bare compared to its BW counterpart.a

Mr Winky

United States39 Posts

August 17 2010 23:13 GMT

#23

very nice article

Stargazer

United States10 Posts

August 17 2010 23:48 GMT

#24

I've been experimenting with a less-all-in warpgate tech that involves three gating stalkers + zealots and then adding a delayed 4th gate after my income can support it. It doesn't usually end the game quickly but it puts a lot of pressure on my opponent and almost always gives me map control and/or a significant econ advantage. I've had a lot of success against other P who try to get quick stalkers up for defense, thinking it's a korean 4warpgate, and against zealot attacks on my own base. And I get a quick stalker up in time to attack the scout probe against korean 4-gates. I'm high-mid plat.

Earll

Norway847 Posts

August 18 2010 00:11 GMT

#25

Will start using Liquidpedia more freely after this article. TL rocks yo.

Capteone

United States197 Posts

August 18 2010 00:47 GMT

#26

Great article!!

OneOther

United States10774 Posts

August 18 2010 01:02 GMT

#27

Nice article, thank you.

Ran into this a couple times - lost the first one, but figured out how to beat it now

Qzy

Denmark1121 Posts

August 18 2010 01:26 GMT

#28

I don't want to be a douche but..

In the example game, from which they base their build off... The toss who does the "korean 4 gate all in" fails at placing the pylons. Once a few pylons goes down, you can't take them down in time.

Build isn't reliable, as the example you are showing off is a standard 4-5 gate all in with proxy pylon (not in base, but out side) :/

Pylon goes down in your base, with only 1 stalker and a sentry to block it, and you are DEAD.

Onlinejaguar

Australia2823 Posts

August 18 2010 02:23 GMT

#29

I must try this build. I have been using 3 gate 1 robo facility most of the time. But this looks like a very useful weapon to have.

Ecto

Denmark54 Posts

August 18 2010 03:42 GMT

#30

So I played around with this strategy for a while. I'm a decent player, if nothing special (~600 points Diamond) and while most of the protoss I played against reacted by skipping core and chronoboosting zealots from two gateways forcing me to abandon my plan, it did work a few times. And the few times it did work, it really opened my eyes for how powerful warp gates are in the next few minutes after you get them. If you have 4 gates and way into your opponent's base, he's in trouble.

This lead to some interesting experimentation with 4-gate styles against zerg and terran also.

Chronopolis

Canada1484 Posts

August 18 2010 04:39 GMT

#31

I believe there is another way to counter the 4 gate korean warpgate all-in, it is to spend a 2-3 chrono boosts on probes only, gettting a second gate before cyber, and building 2-3 zealots and a sentry... start warpgate as soon as your cyber finishes, but you do not have to chronoboost it. The point is you need to defend and kill pylons. One zealot on each pylon, and the sentry attacking the probe. Add up to 4 gates, you should not need to cut many probes at all.

The point of this response, is to have enough dps to kill pylons (or at least make a dent, and force more pylons), and also to be able to protect your probes against the inevtible zealots or stalkers.
If you have 4 stalkers versus his 4 zealots (with more warping in) you are lost. You will want to target pylons beside your minerals first, zealots warped directly in your mineral line will almost always lose you the game.

Usuallly, you will kill all the pylons in your base, and the other player will see your zealot sentry mix and warp in 4 stalkers to start. Use the sentry to forcefield as necessary, and start to add stalkers. The ramp forcefields are crucial and can turn an even fight, into a won game.

Key Points:
-gateway production to kill pylons and to delay 4 warpgate until your own warpgates kick in

EDIT: added a rep

Drazzzt

Germany999 Posts

August 18 2010 07:51 GMT

#32

Hail Plexa (for writing this Liquipedia article :-) )

youngminii

Australia7514 Posts

August 18 2010 09:08 GMT

#33

Ooooh, so THAT'S why Plexa did this strat on me, 'research'.

Pffffffft. At least the masses will be aware of how to beat this now.

Sanguinarius

United States3427 Posts

August 18 2010 10:26 GMT

#34

Excellent page - however I worry that not US pvp will degrade into this.

Jayson X

Switzerland2431 Posts

August 18 2010 10:36 GMT

#35

It's interesting to see how versatile this build can be and how much the match up shifts once one player commits to it. Thanks for the researched, i've tried it out a few times and started to delay the scouting probe on small maps.

goswser

United States3548 Posts

August 18 2010 11:25 GMT

#36

This is great! I don't personally peruse liquipedia much, except when I'm learning a new race and want to learn some builds, but its a great resource. Yesterday, a friend of mine who just started playing starcraft 2 and is a low gold level player asked me about strategies, and I referred him to liquipedia II. The resource is really helpful for lower level players!

Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

August 18 2010 11:32 GMT

#37

sick now i know what to do in PvP lololol

Plexa

Aotearoa39261 Posts

August 18 2010 11:43 GMT

#38

Of course, since this is a wiki, feel free to add stuff to this guide and correct anything that is wrong or unclear. The more people who contribute to this the better the article and the liquipedia become!

Mykill

Canada3402 Posts

August 18 2010 11:44 GMT

#39

On August 18 2010 20:43 Plexa wrote:
Of course, since this is a wiki, feel free to add stuff to this guide and correct anything that is wrong or unclear. The more people who contribute to this the better the article and the liquipedia become!

I just saw your rep. looks good

Also the chat was hilarious. if you can beat it join it!