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On June 04 2010 16:05 Shengster wrote:
I do not believe that Savior is lying if he has the courage to proclaim that he is innocent in a court of law. A while back, Coach Cho said that Savior was innocent, and noted that Savior got on his knees to plead and confess that it was not him. I doubt someone with a long-term knee condition, who was about to get surgery would do something so drastic unless he was telling the truth.
Why else would Savior proclaim that he is still a "pro-gamer"? It doesn't add up.
As for the expensive clothing that he buys, doesn't Savior have a salary over 100k USD a year? I'm sure he would be able to afford those things without having to bet on himself in proleague matches.
troll... not even remotely clever.
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wait..so he says he's never heard of the gambling sites BUT did bet on some matches?
Isnt that like 100% a contradiction..
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Question, where is the f*ck*ng photo of savior out of court??
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On June 04 2010 17:21 LunarDestiny wrote:
Man Savior, just admit your crime.
- (T)Hwasin admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld.
- (Z)sAviOr forced to retire by KeSPA, CJ releases him.
- (Z)YellOw[ArnC] admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)Luxury retires. KT terminates his contract.
- (T)UpMaGiC admits his crime and apologizes.
- (T)go.go admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)type-b admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld
Look at this list. Other progamers already admitted their crime. And isn't Savior the one suggesting match fixing to these players. It is very unlikely that Savior never took part in a fixed match himself.
Why does that matter? They all admitted after they got caught. Fuck them.
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It's hilarious how some savior "zealots" still think he's innocent.
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i'm not sure this is an unintelligent strategy by savior. probably he and his lawyers went through the charges and determined which ones the prosecution or whatever would have an evidentiary basis for, and denied the rest.
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when lawyers get involved it never turns out pretty :|
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sAviOr = Balls of steel Duke Nukem style
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A: This is a classic strategy employed by many lawyers. Let me take you through the steps.
1. Lawyer tells MJY to announce his occupation as Progamer. This is to suggest that MJY is clean and expects to leave the trial clean - meaning found not guilty. If you were a real progamer falsely accused of match-fixing, would you not expect yourself to go back to work after all the drama clears up? So why not imitate what a really innocent player would do in the situation. It goes to confuse people, because they don't know what to think. Confusion = Not Guilty (Don't expect MJY to comeback as a pro-gamer if he actually does come out unscathed after this trail.)
2. MJY come in with a busted knee and crutches. What a poor guy - all injured and what now, and now the law is forcefully placing a giant strain on this poor soul. This tactic obviously makes you feel pity for this pro-gamer. I mean, why not fake wrist surgery? Why does MJY's surgery coincide with Hwasin's "family troubles" and UpMagics leave as well? This tactic is the equivalent of dressing the accused as the penitent convert, it takes away the image of a criminal.
3. Talk about a preemptive attack. MJY admits to only some of the charges. This will tempt the attorney to settle the case on these minor charges for the most he can get out of them. Otherwise, if he fails on the bigger issue, nothing will come as a result in the way of punishment on the smaller issue. So, as the attorney puts together a case, he already knows that if he or she feels they cannot win, they will try to settle. (Additionally, this also counteracts any possible case that MJY despite having so much of the investigation point to him, can be completely innocent. It is like saying, "Yeah you are right, what I did was bad, but it wasn't that bad, and a lot of what you said isn't true.")
4. Confusing, seemingly contradictory statements. Nothing works better to confuse public opinion and the court then to muddle up what the defendant's case actually is. If I were to tell you of a man who was being charged with money embezzlement and coercion or advice to others to do the same, would this next statement make any sense as a case? "My client accepts most of the charges, but has never embezzled money himself. He has never coerced or advised anyone else to do the same. He advised a friend to embezzle money once, but subsequently has never tried to do so. That is why my client only accepts part of the charges against him." The statement makes you unsure about what charges exactly he is admitting to, and whether the client may have also "embezzled money a little bit early on, but never again after that." It says nothing about it so it just becomes more confusing and more gray.
Congratulations MJY. I'm glad to know you and your high priced lawyer weren't just throwing away your time during your knee surgery and subsequent time off to rest.
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i play zerg for savior!!!!
SAVIOr fightttt
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On June 05 2010 01:09 sybris wrote:Show nested quote +On June 04 2010 17:21 LunarDestiny wrote:
Man Savior, just admit your crime.
- (T)Hwasin admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld.
- (Z)sAviOr forced to retire by KeSPA, CJ releases him.
- (Z)YellOw[ArnC] admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)Luxury retires. KT terminates his contract.
- (T)UpMaGiC admits his crime and apologizes.
- (T)go.go admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)type-b admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld
Look at this list. Other progamers already admitted their crime. And isn't Savior the one suggesting match fixing to these players. It is very unlikely that Savior never took part in a fixed match himself. Why does that matter? They all admitted after they got caught. Fuck them.
Apologising is not enough for some of their cases, I agree.
But suppose you're a progamer who's involved in illegal match-fixing, make quite a few grand off it.
Would you suddenly come out into the open and yell to the world, "I FIXED MY MATCHES"?
Use some logic.
If savior was some pawn in another's games and is true to his words in this case, I am willing to forgive him, somewhat. He still owes me an apology though, and had better destroy everyone starting 2011.
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Savior did destroy everyone... everyone's trust.
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I really don't mind Savior saying this is right and this is wrong about the alleged charges... it's his decisions and he will receive the consequences. However, I find it hard to believe he actually had a knee surgery and he's on crutches and whatever. That to me seems like total bull and a very poorly staged pity-drama he's trying to put on.
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Wait, is he apologizing or dodging the bullet?
Is he not guilty after all? (I HIGHLY doubt it)
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Is the OP really that hard to understand? He's saying that he introduced some people but didn't fix his own matches. Obviously their going to rip him a new one even if he didn't fix his own matches.
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It's nice to know that everyone here is so informed as to ALL the circumstances assuming his guilt. I'd say that generally, I have trouble knowing because all the stuff is translated, sparse, and sometimes "conflicting". But thanks to you guys, I'm absolutely certain that he is guilty of everything. I'd be denying shit too. Make those fuckers prove it. Also- I don't know shit about what went on.
The reason we don't see pictures is because Korea is supposed to keep the official names and pictures disassociated with charges until guilt is proven in a court of law. Unlike the US, where your name and face can be dragged through the mud with a multitude of untrue charges, for 3 years, even if you're innocent. Obviously, the media there is trying to walk the line as close as it can.
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everything is fine after all guys, he said he didn't do it, see
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On June 05 2010 03:04 cursor wrote:
It's nice to know that everyone here is so informed as to ALL the circumstances assuming his guilt. I'd say that generally, I have trouble knowing because all the stuff is translated, sparse, and sometimes "conflicting". But thanks to you guys, I'm absolutely certain that he is guilty of everything. I'd be denying shit too. Make those fuckers prove it. Also- I don't know shit about what went on.
The reason we don't see pictures is because Korea is supposed to keep the official names and pictures disassociated with charges until guilt is proven in a court of law. Unlike the US, where your name and face can be dragged through the mud with a multitude of untrue charges, for 3 years, even if you're innocent. Obviously, the media there is trying to walk the line as close as it can.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Jewell
Luckily this guy did what he did and succeeded.
But personally, I think he's guilty but following the advice of his lawyer. Even if he is guilty, I really want his legacy to not be ruined.
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On June 04 2010 14:40 Megalisk wrote:
Lol savior trying to be a badass.
"I'm a progamer, motherfuckers"
lol, wonder the reaction of the people when they heard that.
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EPT
