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Progamer Ma: "I've never suggested match fixing"

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Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-05 21:54:21
June 04 2010 06:40 GMT
#1
I read a few stories recently told around Korean communities about how Savior claims that he has never participated in or suggested match fixing. The story went about how Savior claimed he never participated in match fixing himself, because when he was approached by a broker, he thought about it, discussed it with another player, and the player went ahead and fixed matches. I thought they were delusional tales, but, here's some official statements from the courts.

Progamer Ma: "I've never suggested or coerced match fixing"

Progamer Ma, who has been connected with the Starcraft matchfixing scandal has denied a part of the charges.

Investigators in Seoul began the first trial on the 4th, 11 AM, regarding Starcraft matchfixing.

Ma, after investigators released their reports, in his defense, claimed that "While I admit to most of the charges, I've never coerced or suggested match fixing to Progamer Jin"

Continuing, Ma said regarding Progamer Kim under the AirForce, that "it is true that I suggested match fixing to him in the beginning, but I don't remember suggesting match fixing to him later on and getting refused."

Furthermore, Ma added that "I have never participated in match fixing or betting myself, and I don't know of any [gambling] sites."

On the other hand, Won, speaking through a lawyer, accepted all charges from the prosecution and admitted that all of the collected evidence were correct.

Because Ma has denied a part of the charges against him, it became even more likely that Progamer Jin, who is on minor charges, will show up as a witness.

In the meanwhile Ma came to court with a cast and crutches as if he had gotten a knee surgery. Furthermore, during the process where courts check the address, occupation, etc of the accused, while Won answered "currently unemployed", Ma attracted attention by answering "Progamer".

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107435&db=issue

Thanks to MrHoon for the link.

----

Few more specific information regarding the trials.

- Broker Park was charged with Fraud, Blackmail, Bribery, Willingness to Bribe
- Progamer Won has been charged with Fraud, Bribery, Willingness to give Bribes, Obstruction for Business, Inveterate Gambling, Accepting and Giving Bribes for Occupational duty (T/N: ie: I accept money and I do you a favor, except it relates to my occupation. So it probably involves throwing/paying others to throw games), etc, for 8 total charges
- Progamer Ma has been charged with Fraud, Bribery, Willingness to give Bribes, Obstruction of Business, Giving Bribes for Occupational duty, etc.
- Progamer Ma has accepted most charges, but said "I admit to handing money to Progamer Jin, but I never suggested or coerced him to throw the match"

Source: http://www.fomos.kr/board/board.php?mode=read&keyno=107434&db=issue&cate=&page=1&field=&kwrd=

Thanks to fw for fixes.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
June 04 2010 05:37 GMT
#2
I too first disregarded the rumors when I first read it in PGR21

I remember alot of people bashing PGR for 'writing a fantasy novel' but to think savior actually came out and said it o.O
dats racist
SC2Phoenix
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada2814 Posts
June 04 2010 05:38 GMT
#3
How big is this whole situation, like what kinda charges are being laid
Who the fuck has a family of fucking trees? This song is so god damn stupid. Fuck you song, fuck you and your stupid trees. -itmeJP
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
June 04 2010 05:39 GMT
#4
wait what, he is denying the charges in his statement but accepting the charges through his lawyer?

what....?
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Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:41:21
June 04 2010 05:39 GMT
#5
O.O

hoo dear savior. you better show up clean after making a statement like this. if not, you're done for life.

edit: wait. what the.
Ma, after investigators released their reports, in his defense, claimed that "While I admit to most of the charges, I've never coerced or suggested match fixing to Progamer Jin"


I have no clue what this sentence is trying to say. which charges is he admitting to, then, if not the match-fixing or the coercement of match-fixing.

and he said he offered presumably darkelf to rig matches early on, but didn't later? what difference does that make...? i'm so lost.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:40:40
June 04 2010 05:39 GMT
#6
On June 04 2010 14:39 TheNessman wrote:
wait what, he is denying the charges in his statement but accepting the charges through his lawyer?

what....?


i understand this article as much as my last post made sense. aka not very much.

k after re-reading it, i mean: Why would he have accepted the charges, but then deny them now? why didnt he deny them in the first place or something?
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Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:41:17
June 04 2010 05:40 GMT
#7
Lol savior trying to be a badass.

"I'm a progamer, motherfuckers"
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
ilj.psa
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Peru3081 Posts
June 04 2010 05:41 GMT
#8
On June 04 2010 14:35 Milkis wrote:
Furthermore, during the process where courts check the address, occupation, etc of the accused, while Won answered "currently unemployed", Ma attracted attention by answering "Progamer".
k.

lol he just won't give up
Anomarad
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada565 Posts
June 04 2010 05:41 GMT
#9
He's in denial!
aimaimaim
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Philippines2167 Posts
June 04 2010 05:42 GMT
#10
wow so .. keep us posted please
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Deleted User 47542
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
1484 Posts
June 04 2010 05:42 GMT
#11
Occupation progamer, god that just sounds so cool in the head!
Lightswarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Canada967 Posts
June 04 2010 05:42 GMT
#12
Never gonna give you up



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Team[AoV]
Deleted User 30223
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
3104 Posts
June 04 2010 05:42 GMT
#13
there's so many holes with this story. it's baffling.
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:45:08
June 04 2010 05:43 GMT
#14
Who is won??

I know JIN is (T)Hwasin.
And Kim is (T)DarkElf.

EDIT: OK I guess Mr. Won is (T)Justin


On June 04 2010 14:42 Lightswarm wrote:
Never gonna give you up

Video


Mods will be coming for your soul.
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
Milkis
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
5003 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:44:57
June 04 2010 05:44 GMT
#15
On June 04 2010 14:39 goldenkrnboi wrote:
O.O

hoo dear savior. you better show up clean after making a statement like this. if not, you're done for life.

edit: wait. what the.
Show nested quote +
Ma, after investigators released their reports, in his defense, claimed that "While I admit to most of the charges, I've never coerced or suggested match fixing to Progamer Jin"


I have no clue what this sentence is trying to say. which charges is he admitting to, then, if not the match-fixing or the coercement of match-fixing.

and he said he offered presumably darkelf to rig matches early on, but didn't later? what difference does that make...? i'm so lost.


It's actually not clear. But he's saying three things.

- Never suggsted match fixing to Hwasin
- "doesn't remember" suggesting match fixing to DarkElf "later on". He accepted that he did suggest match fixing to DarkElf "earlier on".
- Never participated in match fixing sites himself.

Those are the specific three charges that are being denied, what he's actually being indicted of, we don't know.

Who is won??

I know Jin is Hwasin.
And Kim is Darkelf.


Won is Justin
Zozma
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1626 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:46:30
June 04 2010 05:45 GMT
#16
I think maybe something got lost in translation?

Savior's saying some weird things here.

Well, I'd be glad if he wound up being innocent, but I really doubt that that's the case.
KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
June 04 2010 05:46 GMT
#17
savior is trying to lie his way out. not gonna work. everyone knows he is involved. he should have shown some remorse.
moshi moshi~
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 05:46:56
June 04 2010 05:46 GMT
#18
On June 04 2010 14:45 Zozma wrote:
I think maybe something got lost in translation?

no this was it

the article is incredibly vague

almost too vague o.O
dats racist
Megalisk
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States6095 Posts
June 04 2010 05:47 GMT
#19
On June 04 2010 14:46 KingofHearts wrote:
savior is trying to lie his way out. not gonna work. everyone knows he is involved. he should have shown some remorse.


If hes gonna go out, might as well go out in the worst way possible ...
Tear stained american saints and dirty guitar dreams across a universe of desert and blue sky , gas station coffee love letters and two dollar pistol kisses from thirty five dollar hotel room stationary .
opsayo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
591 Posts
June 04 2010 05:49 GMT
#20
could he actually get jail time?
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