Hahaha, does the article itself actually suggest he's just faking all of this? Kind of amusing.

Quite a sad turn of events, and savior surely let down many people, but I still have to appreciate what he's advanced in progaming back in the day?

yes9111

United States420 Posts

June 04 2010 06:49 GMT

#42

Savior... jesus don't know what to believe. Even the article makes it sound like he's faking all this. Please prove me wrong Progamer Ma.

TheAntZ

Israel6248 Posts

June 04 2010 06:52 GMT

#43

'The fuck you mean occupation? I play motherfuckin video games.'

Butigroove

Seychelles2061 Posts

June 04 2010 07:00 GMT

#44

On June 04 2010 15:41 BreakerD wrote:
I think what savior is trying to say is that he is guilty of conspiracy but he never threw away any games..........

I never thought I would be disagreeing with three pages of posters only to agree with someone with 26 posts.

I also think this is the case.

How do you all claim to know so much about something that happened so far away and on which most of our information comes from nothing but a rumor mill?

Shengster

United States167 Posts

June 04 2010 07:05 GMT

#45

I do not believe that Savior is lying if he has the courage to proclaim that he is innocent in a court of law. A while back, Coach Cho said that Savior was innocent, and noted that Savior got on his knees to plead and confess that it was not him. I doubt someone with a long-term knee condition, who was about to get surgery would do something so drastic unless he was telling the truth.

Why else would Savior proclaim that he is still a "pro-gamer"? It doesn't add up.

As for the expensive clothing that he buys, doesn't Savior have a salary over 100k USD a year? I'm sure he would be able to afford those things without having to bet on himself in proleague matches.

Kuja900

United States3564 Posts

June 04 2010 07:16 GMT

#46

On June 04 2010 15:47 hofodomo wrote:

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Wonder if somebody broke his legs, I certainly would have if I saw him in the streets.

The_Australian

Australia458 Posts

June 04 2010 07:17 GMT

#47

Unfortunately i think the damage is already done for Savior. Its like when a person is accused of being a pedo, even if they're innocent people can't get the image out of their head. Obviously to a much lesser degree, but Savior will have suspicion follow him wherever he goes, even if he is able to continue gaming for whatever reason.

Rekrul

Korea (South)17174 Posts

June 04 2010 07:29 GMT

#48

On June 04 2010 16:05 Shengster wrote:
I do not believe that Savior is lying if he has the courage to proclaim that he is innocent in a court of law. A while back, Coach Cho said that Savior was innocent, and noted that Savior got on his knees to plead and confess that it was not him. I doubt someone with a long-term knee condition, who was about to get surgery would do something so drastic unless he was telling the truth.

Why else would Savior proclaim that he is still a "pro-gamer"? It doesn't add up.

As for the expensive clothing that he buys, doesn't Savior have a salary over 100k USD a year? I'm sure he would be able to afford those things without having to bet on himself in proleague matches.

lolol

JaimeR

148 Posts

June 04 2010 07:29 GMT

#49

Poll: Hurr durr

What a baller, fuck yeah I'm going to go do some anabolic steroids now because I'm a man (54)

72%

Fuck you Ma (21)

28%

75 total votes

Your vote: Hurr durr

(Vote): Fuck you Ma
(Vote): What a baller, fuck yeah I'm going to go do some anabolic steroids now because I'm a man

User was temp banned for this post.

Chrispy

Canada5878 Posts

June 04 2010 07:47 GMT

#50

Yeah this is just denial at its most extreme form man. Begging on his knees too big of a deal? Please, this is his entire future and legacy he's pleading for a wussy knee problem wouldn't stop him from trying to save his life (not literally).

I don't believe he's innocent and wish he would just come out with an apology like Hwasin. This is just shitting on his legacy even more.

Milkis

5003 Posts

June 04 2010 07:50 GMT

#51

I added in source from another article, it had the charges in them, but it also had some contradicting info about what Savior said -- either Savior contradicted himself or the articles are a bit off.

Drium

United States888 Posts

June 04 2010 07:56 GMT

#52

MA JAE YOON I BELIEVE!!!!!!

zZygote

Canada898 Posts

June 04 2010 07:56 GMT

#53

Are you allowed to be an audience in a Korean court?

In Canada your allowed to be an audience of a Provincial court hearing (to some extent). Is this being tried at a 2nd instance court like Supreme, or is it a minor offence (to match-fix).

If so, please do attend one of these court hearings I'm very well interested to hear the things they are taking as evidence, who are the witnesses etc.
I want to be able to analyze this from a criminological aspect.

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Does

sAviOr still have right to still call himself a progamer? KeSPA do something!

Mastermind

Canada7096 Posts

June 04 2010 08:07 GMT

#54

I am so glad this has shut up all the savior fanboys who use to think he could have a come back.

barbsq

United States5348 Posts

June 04 2010 08:09 GMT

#55

based on my reading of the article (granted at 4 am), it seems that the situation is that, while savior himself did throw matches, he did not actually attempt to spread the idea to others (with one exception to darkelf with whom he only speculated with and dark elf rejected him? this was kinda fuzzy) furthermore, i would assume that by 'had no knowledge of the gaming sites' would mean that he was not actually operating as a mastermind of the outfit but probably approached by a middleman instead (and therefore could know absolutely nothing about the larger organization itself except that it exists). Naturally, i could be completely wrong, but thats my 2 cents.

Robinsa

Japan1333 Posts

June 04 2010 08:20 GMT

#56

I think the best thing he could do right now is to STFU and GTFO. Atleast that would spare the little honor he got left.

LunarDestiny

United States4177 Posts

June 04 2010 08:21 GMT

#57

Man Savior, just admit your crime.

- (T)Hwasin admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld.
- (Z)sAviOr forced to retire by KeSPA, CJ releases him.
- (Z)YellOw[ArnC] admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)Luxury retires. KT terminates his contract.
- (T)UpMaGiC admits his crime and apologizes.
- (T)go.go admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)type-b admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld

Look at this list. Other progamers already admitted their crime. And isn't Savior the one suggesting match fixing to these players. It is very unlikely that Savior never took part in a fixed match himself.

Probe.

United States877 Posts

June 04 2010 08:22 GMT

#58

Savior I still believe you're innocent!!! Please comeback and destroy everyone in 2011.

GinNtoniC

Sweden2945 Posts

June 04 2010 08:39 GMT

#59

On June 04 2010 15:12 wishbones wrote:
hm i wonder if they catch enough pro's can there be a progaming prison team. :o

dude, LOOOOOL

29 fps

United States5725 Posts

June 04 2010 08:41 GMT

#60

this is my favorite line

"In the meanwhile Ma came to court with a cast and crutches as if he had gotten a knee surgery. "

so it was all a diversion......