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Progamer Ma: "I've never suggested match fixing" - Page 7

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pyr0ma5ta
Profile Joined May 2010
United States458 Posts
June 04 2010 18:56 GMT
#121
Wait, what? I thought he admitted charges and retired? Now he's un-admitting? Huh?
"I made you a zergling, but I eated it." - Defiler
mcgriddle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States253 Posts
June 04 2010 19:02 GMT
#122
Deny deny deny!
Reason obeys itself....and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
June 04 2010 19:16 GMT
#123
wow pretty ballsy move saying "progamer"
damn this is so dramatic, especially if they call in Hwasin for witnessing and stuff 0.0
o[twist]
Profile Joined May 2008
United States4903 Posts
June 04 2010 19:18 GMT
#124
solid and credited analysis by qwertify
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines527 Posts
June 04 2010 20:35 GMT
#125

On May 18 2010 10:57 Captain Peabody wrote:
Show nested quote +
Hi guys, you know match fixing in pro BW has been going on for years. No suprise to me. So why now with the scandals?
Blizzard are wanting to promote SC2. BW is a great userbase for SC2 sales, but it's also a stumbling block for conservatives that want to stay BW ( me included! ) . This is the 1st in a series of scandals that'll be hitting pro-BW over the next year or so. The idea of course is to diminish the credibilty of BW wrt to korean media and thus all BW media. Character assasination. After reducing the pro-BW korean to a mess with scandals and other tricks, blizzard will step in with refurb grants on the condition that they all shift to SC2.
Bastards. Nothing we can do. Even a 100% unified TL member embargo on SC2 would not discourage blizzard from this course of action. The BW community is going to be forcably converted to SC2.


Scene: Mike Morhaime's office, a darkened room covered in Blizzard memorabilia. Mike Morhaime sits behind his desk, stroking a cat.

Dustin Browder enters the room, and silently kneels before him.

Dustin: What is thy bidding, my master?

Morhaime: There is a great disturbance in the fanbase.

Dustin: I have felt it, my master.

Morhaime: Many of the e-sports fans are not switching over to SC2. They believe the Korean BroodWar leagues are more competitive and...fun to watch. (Morhaime sneers)

Dustin: But Kespa is just a small organization. Boxer can no longer help them...

Morhaime: They could severely lessen our sales. Already, they have succeeded in getting SC2 rated Adults Only in Korea. If they continue to oppose us, the damage would be great.

Dustin: But...if Kespa could be turned, they would be a powerful ally...

Morhaime: Yes...yes...but can it be done? We have negotiated with them for three years, and still they refuse to bow to our whims.

Dustin: If they cannot be turned...they will be destroyed.

Morhaime: Yes...but how? Our greatest legal and parapsychological pressure has been ineffective against them.

Dustin: Through Blizzard Korea and my contacts in the Illuminati, I have acquired certain information concerning the Korean progamers and proteams. Information about match-fixing scandals, involving the top echelon of players in Korea...including (Z)sAviOr himself.

Morhaime: Excellent! This information that could severely damage Kespa. I will travel to Korea immediately, and begin spreading this information among the Korean e-sports media. Kespa will be utterly destroyed!

Dustin: But what if they survive?

Morhaime: Do not worry, my servant. Through my contacts in the International Jesuit Conspiracy, I have acquired even more damaging information than this. If they will not bow to us, then they will find themselves shaken by scandal after scandal, until nothing at all remains of them but dust and ashes. And then, once Kespa is gone, we will step in, and take over all of e-sports. Starcraft 2's ascendancy will be assured!

Dustin: But what if some of the fans discover what we're doing? What if they connect us to the scandal?

Morhaime: That is unlikely. But even if they do, even if all of the foreign e-sports fans rebel against us...Kespa will fall, and there is nothing they can do to stop us. Mwa ha ha ha ha!
(Morhaime subsides into maniacal laughter)

Dustin: So be it, my master.

Dustin rises to his feet, and exits the office.

Mike Morhaime stands up slowly, and whispers an incantation over his cat. The cat transforms into a massive wing-ed HELLBEAST, which Morhaime leaps upon and rides off in the direction of Korea, cackling madly.

Was this about what you had in mind?


this is all part of blizzard's dirty plot to get rid of bw to make way for sc2. they are creating false evidence to take out savior
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Shatter
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1401 Posts
June 04 2010 20:37 GMT
#126
Ma Jae Yoon fighting!...in court!
Mykill
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada3402 Posts
June 04 2010 20:49 GMT
#127
Savior in denial? or maybe he actually didnt...
[~~The Impossible Leads To Invention~~] CJ Entusman #52 The problem with internet quotations is that they are hard to verify -Abraham Lincoln c.1863
Crimson)S(hadow
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Philippines527 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 21:09:39
June 04 2010 21:07 GMT
#128
On June 04 2010 17:07 Mastermind wrote:
I am so glad this has shut up all the savior fanboys who use to think he could have a come back.


NOPE. since he won't be paid to lose anymore, he will now have no choice but to rape everyone again. he was rumored to be the #1 in iccup, and his teammates said he still played well in practice compared to his terrible televised games, so you could say he still could have been dominating like he used to even throughout 2008-2010. wasn't his last televised game a win against Jaedong? ZvZ was always his achilles heel, but if he's able to beat jaedong then that only proves he can still be dominating even today.

and when savior's jail sentence is over and joins the sc2 scene with everyone's cynical eyes peering down on him, i will be there in the crowd waving a reminiscent black maestro flag high in the sky.

SUCK IT savior-fanboy haters =)

of course jk, sorta
"It's the end of the BW era which i devoted everything to for 10 years. I tried playing sc2, but my BW memories run too deep; I felt like I was playing an entirely different game" -ToSsGirL
Buddhist
Profile Joined April 2010
United States658 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-06-04 21:12:46
June 04 2010 21:10 GMT
#129
I find it humorous that a bunch of Americans and Europeans on some English forums think they know what a Korea pro gamer did in secret.

Really, are you people that stupid? Rofl. You read something in the news and then pick a side.

You guys have no fucking idea what REALLY happened. The only person who really knows is Savior.

Also, why would he admit to some things but deny others? It's pretty obvious, it's because different charges need to be proved independently. He may be guilty of one thing but not of another. Just because someone does one thing wrong doesn't mean he did everything wrong.

But the conclusion here is that a lot of you guys are really fucking stupid.

PS: I couldn't care less about some people I've never met (the progamers in this scandal), but your jumping to conclusions is blatantly stupid.
Helium
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
59 Posts
June 04 2010 21:16 GMT
#130
On June 05 2010 02:11 sArite_nite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 05 2010 01:09 sybris wrote:
On June 04 2010 17:21 LunarDestiny wrote:
Man Savior, just admit your crime.

- (T)Hwasin admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld.
- (Z)sAviOr forced to retire by KeSPA, CJ releases him.
- (Z)YellOw[ArnC] admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)Luxury retires. KT terminates his contract.
- (T)UpMaGiC admits his crime and apologizes.
- (T)go.go admits his crime and apologizes.
- (Z)type-b admits his crime and apologizes in his cyworld

Look at this list. Other progamers already admitted their crime. And isn't Savior the one suggesting match fixing to these players. It is very unlikely that Savior never took part in a fixed match himself.

Why does that matter? They all admitted after they got caught. Fuck them.


Apologising is not enough for some of their cases, I agree.

But suppose you're a progamer who's involved in illegal match-fixing, make quite a few grand off it.
Would you suddenly come out into the open and yell to the world, "I FIXED MY MATCHES"?

Use some logic.

If savior was some pawn in another's games and is true to his words in this case, I am willing to forgive him, somewhat. He still owes me an apology though, and had better destroy everyone starting 2011.

God what are you talking about? I said admitting after they've been caught means nothing, not that they should've admitted before they caught.. although I'd definitely respect someone who did that.
"This debate lacks any sexual intrigue so I am not even paying attention."
oBlade
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States5501 Posts
June 04 2010 21:17 GMT
#131
On June 05 2010 06:07 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
wasn't his last televised game a win against Jaedong? ZvZ was always his achilles heel, but if he's able to beat jaedong then that only proves he can still be dominating even today.


No, his last televised win was against Jaedong. He had 7 more games after that, all of which were losses.
"I read it. You know how to read, you ignorant fuck?" - Andy Dufresne
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
June 04 2010 21:20 GMT
#132
hahaha when I clicked this the ad banner at the top read: Remove Criminal Records

haha
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
theramstoss
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada242 Posts
June 04 2010 21:29 GMT
#133
He admitted most of the charges, just denied some of them.
quote? what quote?
ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
June 04 2010 21:31 GMT
#134
they will all be sc2 progamers now.. lol
www.root-gaming.com
Burned Toast *
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada2040 Posts
June 04 2010 21:36 GMT
#135
If there is a progamer team in the Airforce army, I dont see why there could'nt be a Jail Team... ?
TvT matchup is sometimes worse than jailtime
bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
June 04 2010 21:50 GMT
#136
How the mighty have fallen. Deny till the day that you die.
garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
June 04 2010 22:01 GMT
#137
Savior's ballin' with this one.
#TeamBuLba
NIJ
Profile Joined March 2010
1012 Posts
June 04 2010 22:41 GMT
#138
TLDR Version
"I shot the sheriff, but I did not kill the deputy".
Act of thinking logically cannot possibly be natural to the human mind. If it were, then mathematics would be everybody's easiest course at school and our species would not have taken several millennia to figure out the scientific method -NDT
Lightningbullet
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States507 Posts
June 04 2010 22:41 GMT
#139
On June 04 2010 15:41 BreakerD wrote:
I think what (Z)sAviOr is trying to say is that he is guilty of conspiracy but he Never threw away any games..........


I hOpe you're right cuz I (T)Really want (Z)sAviOr back( not as much as (T)Hwasin though.)
BoxeR is AWESOME!!!!//Proud 2nd Member of the BW>SC2 club.
youlijp
Profile Joined February 2009
Brazil112 Posts
June 04 2010 22:47 GMT
#140
aaaa, teamliquid, teamliquid...
"I hate quotations" - Chang E. I.
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