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On June 03 2010 03:37 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:33 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
why would they want to shutdown bw? they are making money with it dude... It depends. How much do you think they're going to pay? Shutting down BW subtly (by demanding a high fee, but setting a NDA so they cannot say how high it is) would increase SC2 sales almost for sure. And a moderate increase of SC2's sales is a lot more profitable for Activision Blizzard both in the short and the long run. They can ask a ton of money for BW and a small fee for SC2 (which will increase afterwards), so they make SC2 more profitable and force the switch. I'm pretty sure that's what Kotik would do/think.
I really don't think keeping the BW scene alive would hurt sc2 sales at all.
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On June 03 2010 03:37 shalafi wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:33 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
why would they want to shutdown bw? they are making money with it dude... Shutting down BW subtly (by demanding a high fee, but setting a NDA so they cannot say how high it is) would increase SC2 sales almost for sure. And a moderate increase of SC2's sales is a lot more profitable for Activision Blizzard both in the short and the long run.
That would also make them hated in Korea. You think the esports fans who have been following the sport for years now, and their favorite players and teams will be happy if Blizzard sticks its beak in to kill bw (and thus kill off the teams/players' careers) just to try to squeeze a few more sales from sc2? I don't see this being a clean slate from the fans perspective.
On June 03 2010 05:10 NuKedUFirst wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 05:05 Waxangel wrote:On June 03 2010 04:44 Live2Win wrote:
I have a questions. Theoretically, what if MBC/OGN decided to say "fuck it" to Blizzard and just kept broadcasting games under KeSPA? I mean what right does Blizzard have to come in 10 years after this thing has started to say "this is ours and we have the right to control its broadcasting rights". Eventually they'd have to go to court but where, US court or Korean court?
I honestly think if KeSPA had all the progaming teams backing them, they could potentially just continue with the Proleague and Blizzard wouldn't be able to do much about it. I've been wondering about something like this. KeSPA's actions so far seem to reveal they have absolutely no confidence in going to court. They act as if they they tried to go ahead and ignore Blizz, Blizz would take them to court and fuck them up. As much as certain TL users like to claim "Korean courts rule for Korean companies," or "American copyright laws don't apply in Korea," everything I'm reading seems to suggest that KeSPA is deathly afraid of going to court. They would most likely go to a non-biased country's court, in Canada the supreme court is suppose to be 100% COMPLETELY non-biased, meaning if the government screwed me over I could take them to court and potentially win. With a case big as this they would have to make it 100% non biased.
And how would that work? a Canadian court (for example) has absolutely 0 jurisdiction in Korea. Since this matter is taking place in Korea and its consequences are based there, I don't see how or why this would happen anywhere else.
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Didn't during the MSL finals they showed GOMTV wins/loss ?
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On June 03 2010 03:06 Renaissance wrote:
So it looks like things are going heavily in Blizzard's favour so far.
Blizzard is huge; MBC, OGN and Kespa are dwarves in comparison.
They will get exactly what they ask unfortunately.
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I think this is a step towards the right direction. 1) MSL continues to live despite Blizzard intervention 2) MSL is distancing itself from kespa.
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Reminds me of when Valve disallowed CS 1.6 TV licenses in order to promote CS:S.
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Let me link you to this article in NY Times:
Owners stop paying mortgage
TL;DR: Owners stop paying mortgage, lenders take months, sometimes years, to kick them out while owners continue to live in their homes.
How's this related to this whole Kespa-Blizzard standoff? If Korean courts can be clogged like U.S courts often can be manipulated to be (don't know Korean courts), Kespa can delay this forever while they either continue or wrap up.
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On June 03 2010 06:00 Bosu wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 03:37 shalafi wrote:On June 03 2010 03:33 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
why would they want to shutdown bw? they are making money with it dude... It depends. How much do you think they're going to pay? Shutting down BW subtly (by demanding a high fee, but setting a NDA so they cannot say how high it is) would increase SC2 sales almost for sure. And a moderate increase of SC2's sales is a lot more profitable for Activision Blizzard both in the short and the long run. They can ask a ton of money for BW and a small fee for SC2 (which will increase afterwards), so they make SC2 more profitable and force the switch. I'm pretty sure that's what Kotik would do/think. I really don't think keeping the BW scene alive would hurt sc2 sales at all.
Seriously? In Korea? You think people is not going to compare both? (And say how much worse and noobish SC2 is)
Having it's successful competitor being played so much will hurt the sales for sure. And on the other hand, forcing them to play SC2 tournaments on TV would be a huge sales boost.
Also, don't you think it's very convenient to ask money aggressively for BW now that SC2 is about to be released instead of years ago? (When they were being very passive).
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On June 03 2010 03:14 snowdrift86 wrote:
Perhaps CJ's stake in Gretech is facilitating this deal. If that's the case, things should also work out for OGN, which belongs to CJ.
What does exactly does CJ own?
Maybe they can solve this whole issue with a little manipulating...
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Whether this kills the BW scene depends entirely on what Blizzard decides to do. They can either be generous and allow BW alongside SC2, or try to promote SC2 by disallowing any BW tournies to take place. The latter may possibly cause a huge backlash against SC2, but Blizzard isn't always known for rational decision-making.
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On June 03 2010 07:51 Spawkuring wrote:
Whether this kills the BW scene depends entirely on what Blizzard decides to do. They can either be generous and allow BW alongside SC2, or try to promote SC2 by disallowing any BW tournies to take place. The latter may possibly cause a huge backlash against SC2, but Blizzard isn't always known for rational decision-making.
I don't understand why people honestly thinks that Blizzard are out to kill the bw scene though. If anything these news suggests that it is probably going to be business as usual for the bw scene as soon as renegotiations are done.
Blizzard could have killed the bw scene to promote warcraft 3 a long time ago, they didn't. They could had killed the bw and wc3 scenes to promote wow arena. They didn't.
Because they are all different games, with different fans and some fans who like all of them. Starcraft 2 and Starcraft: Broodwar are just as different games as Starcraft: Broodwar and Warcraft 3. Don't get fooled by the fact that they both got the same word in the title.
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On June 03 2010 07:58 ymirheim wrote:Show nested quote +On June 03 2010 07:51 Spawkuring wrote:
Whether this kills the BW scene depends entirely on what Blizzard decides to do. They can either be generous and allow BW alongside SC2, or try to promote SC2 by disallowing any BW tournies to take place. The latter may possibly cause a huge backlash against SC2, but Blizzard isn't always known for rational decision-making. I don't understand why people honestly thinks that Blizzard are out to kill the bw scene though. If anything these news suggests that it is probably going to be business as usual for the bw scene as soon as renegotiations are done. Blizzard could have killed the bw scene to promote warcraft 3 a long time ago, they didn't. They could had killed the bw and wc3 scenes to promote wow arena. They didn't. Because they are all different games, with different fans and some fans who like all of them. Starcraft 2 and Starcraft: Broodwar are just as different games as Starcraft: Broodwar and Warcraft 3. Don't get fooled by the fact that they both got the same word in the title.
That's not really true. SC1 and SC2 are far more similar to each other than SC1 to WC3. Like it or not, the two StarCrafts will be compared to each other endlessly, and for the most part will be seen as in direct competition with each other. It's not at all like WC3, which catered to an entirely different style of pro-gamer due to its RPG gameplay, or WoW which has an completely different audience; both SC1 and SC2 want the exact same type of pro-gamer and both will try to snag as many as they can.
Now I'm not saying that Blizzard will definitely kill the BW scene to promote SC2, but it's definitely a much stronger possibility this time around.
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Well I'm glad people are at least talking, its better than sitting around in a huff.
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Blizzard should show a bit more respect for korean broodwar esports
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I think it's more likely that this a symbolic move ("hey, we tried"), given the terms Blizzard was intent upon in the first place. I just can't see either MBC or OGN agreeing to anything remotely like that.
And if they do actually come to an agreement, eSports is going to suffer as a result. The royalty money will have to come from somewhere, and it's not likely that the sponsors will just foot the bill without making cuts elsewhere.
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Interesting.. wonder what OGN is planning on doing and what kespa says about this.
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With Blizzard having full control over the korean scene rite now, this clearly shows they anticipated this move for a while now, and the fact that they have succeeded in taking down kespa they will shut down the BW scene eventually to produce more popularity for SC2 in Korea. The scene outside of Korea is practically dead, so basically all that is left is korea and it will go down soon because blizzard only cares about money and not what the fans want.
It would be hilarious if Blizzard decides to take control of ICCup and have completely 100% full control over all aspects of the SC:BW esports scene.
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In the long run, SC:bw could have lasted another 10 years and we all know it. The reason SC:bw dies is the company who created this game, Basically they have the power to end it.
But regardless, in the future if i still have time to game, I go on iccup for sc1 
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IMO it's a security measure, they really don't want to risk losing the MSL.
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On June 03 2010 08:37 LiquiDLegend wrote:In the long run, SC:bw could have lasted another 10 years and we all know it. The reason SC:bw dies is the company who created this game, Basically they have the power to end it. But regardless, in the future if i still have time to game, I go on iccup for sc1
Pure speculation. We have no way of knowing if SCBW would have lasted another 10 years. I highly doubt it, that's a long time for no other quality RTS games to come out.
I really do not think Blizzard has an interest in shutting down SCBW. It makes no sense to anger your own fans to get more sales. As others have said, if SCBW esports die, its because fans switch over SC2.
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