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[Fantasy] PL 09-10 R1 Signups!
October 5th, 2009 06:28 GMT
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Images/Banner.jpg) Fantasy Proleague 09-10 R1 Signups Are Now Open!
First, congratulations pripple for winning last season with a final score of 218, barely edging out #2 heygk. Check out the Round 5 Final Rankings for more information about last season.
Play Fantasy Proleague! It's fun, easy, and makes watching Proleague much more exciting. You don't need to spend any time on managing your team during the season if you don't want to. If you don't fully understand the rules, don't worry. The basic thing to remember is, pick players for your "Main Team" that you think will do well, and pick players for your "Anti Team" who you think will do poorly.
The deadline to enter is October 10th so don't forget!
How to Play
- You choose 6 players and 1 Pro Team that score points when they play well.
- You pick 3 players that lose you points when they play well.
- Players and teams can be traded between weeks for those valued less than them.
Scoring
Player Scoring:
Non-Ace Lineup Appearance: 1 Point
Game Win (Ace included): 2 Points
Game Loss (Ace included): -1 Points
Ace Match Appearance: 2 Points
3-Game Win Streak: 1 Point
6-Game Win Streak: 2 Points
9-Game Win Streak: 3 Points
Break Another's Streak: 1 Point
Your Player's Team Wins: 1 Point
Team Scoring:
3-0 Victory: 7 Points
3-1 Victory: 5 Points
3-2 Victory: 4 Points
2-3 Defeat: 1 Point
1-3 Defeat: -1 Points
0-3 Defeat: -2 Points
Team Selection
Main Team
- Pick 6 players for your Main Team, including a captain who will be a tiebreaker
- Pick 1 Proleague team (i.e. STX, CJ, SKT)
- You cannot trade your captain (more on trading later)
- Your 6 players and 1 Proleague team cannot exceed 30 points in cost
- Your Main Team must contain at least one of each race at all times
Anti Team
- Pick 3 players for your Anti Team
- These players will score points just like Main Team players, but their score counts against you
- Your Anti Team must have a value of at least 13 points (minimum)
Basic Team Selection Strategy
- Pick players for your Main Team who you believe will exceed their point value from last round (underrated or rising players)
- Pick players for your Anti Team who you believe will do worse than they did last round (overrated or slumping players)
- Designate as Captain a player who you believe will be a lock to be good throughout the season, because you can't trade him
Trading
Trading Rules
- Each week you can trade players (swap a player for someone you don't have)
- Every player has a trade value, and you can only trade for players of lower value
- You will be limited to a maximum 2 Main Team and 1 Anti Team trades per week
- Trades do not carry over if unused
- Each time you trade, your team will be assessed a -1 point trade tax
Basic Trading Strategy
- Check lineups each week! Players in the lineup, especially twice, are usually worth trading for
- Don't make trades just for sake of making trades, as they cost you trade tax points and you may get stuck with a player you don't want
- The trade price formula takes into account number of matches remaining -- so players with more matches remaining will have higher prices
- You must trade for players with less value, but try to minimize the value loss. For example, if you trade someone worth 30 for someone worth 20, next week you can only trade the 20 for someone less. It's much better to trade the 30 for someone worth 29.
Groups
You will be able to create and join groups so you can compare your results with a smaller subset of the players, for example there might be a Staff Group, a First Time FPL Group, a USA Players Group, or a group created by you with just your friends.
Price List
Player prices:
+ Show Spoiler +
Team Prices
+ Show Spoiler +
Useful Links
TLPD - Shinhan PL 08-09 Player Stats
Season 3 Standings
Round 3 Final Rankings and Daily Blog
Season 4 Standings
Round 4 Final Rankings and Daily Blog
Proleague 09-10 Pre-Match Map Test Game List
Good Luck!
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I vow to actively trade this season to get the most out of this wonderful feature.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 15:49 Kyuukyuu wrote:
Iris... 1 point...?
what about it? Iris went 0-4 last round. The only reason he didn't cost 0 is because CJ won games and you get points for team wins.
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Seems like all the Protoss are somewhat overpriced, and with the new maps coming out that are so Z/T favored over P, prices are bound to go down over the season.
Iris at one point is a steal, but it depends if CJ keeps sending Skyhigh as its main Terran. Khan at 3 points is interesting, they made the playoffs last year, but Protoss stands no chance, at least in Round 1, so that could be the reason why they dropped in price.
There are some retired players on the roster, like GGPlay.
With that said, it's time for me to claim a #1 spot on FPL.
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How many points does the Anti-Team have to be?
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Backho 6...Jangbi 2... tough choice
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 15:55 Phelix wrote:
Seems like all the Protoss are somewhat overpriced, and with the new maps coming out that are so Z/T favored over P, prices are bound to go down over the season.
Iris at one point is a steal, but it depends if CJ keeps sending Skyhigh as its main Terran. Khan at 3 points is interesting, they made the playoffs last year, but Protoss stands no chance, at least in Round 1, so that could be the reason why they dropped in price.
There are some retired players on the roster, like GGPlay.
With that said, it's time for me to claim a #1 spot on FPL.
I removed GGPlay and Shine. Any others?
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How does the anti-team work? Just pick players who will never win or what?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 15:55 kOre wrote:
How many points does the Anti-Team have to be?
On October 05 2009 15:58 numLoCK wrote:
How does the anti-team work? Just pick players who will never win or what?
The Anti Team has to be at minimum 13 points, so its actually quite hard to select players that never play or never win.
The Anti Team scoring is exactly same as Main Team, except you lose that number of points. For example, if a player on your Anti Team wins, you'd get -2.
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Sweet deals:
Iris - 1
Movie - 1
Yellow[arnc] - 3
Jangbi - 2
Samsung - 3
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Ok Thanks!
Hahaha my plans are still foiled by the "one of each race on main team" dealie. Oh well, time to pick a protoss :/
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
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Raydog made his Anti-Team 15 so I assumed it was 15 as well  WTFFFFFF
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:09 kOre wrote:Raydog made his Anti-Team 15 so I assumed it was 15 as well WTFFFFFF
You can just resubmit it. People usually change their submission like 20+ times before the deadline.
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Braavos36374 Posts
Does anyone see any more retired players on the list? I removed GGPlay and Shine.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:12 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2009 16:09 kOre wrote:Raydog made his Anti-Team 15 so I assumed it was 15 as well WTFFFFFF You can just resubmit it. People usually change their submission like 20+ times before the deadline.
No trades, no changes! SPARTAAAAA
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Considering replacing UpMagiC with Canata.
The way I see it SKT1 will probably play Canata as their general T and then send FantaSy in the Ace match, this way it's less tight on Fantasy's schedule. meaning the two combined will be seeing a lot of games.
eSTRO can send Really or hyvaa where as SKT1 probably aren't going to be sending Bisu too much because of the map problems.
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I think Doctor.K retired this offseason, as his TLPD states that he is retired. Oversky is not on any team roster, last I checked.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:19 Phelix wrote:
I think Doctor.K retired this offseason, as his TLPD states that he is retired. Oversky is not on any team roster, last I checked.
I added Oversky, Rage, and Foru, but I guess I'll remove them and Doctor.K.
Any others?
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Free will probably take quite a few games for Woongjin. Since he's their only good Protoss he's bound to beat up noobs a plenty. Look for players that are just awful or aren't going to get played at all.
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 Child and ZergBong are retired too.
In short, what are the rules changes compared to last round? Could someone please summarize?
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
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I don't think it's going to be that terrible, although you don't have Violet or the bowlcut Canata on your FPL!
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Light on the anti-team? Really? He'll probably get played just as much as Sea and do even better.
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:31 Scorch wrote:Child and ZergBong are retired too. In short, what are the rules changes compared to last round? Could someone please summarize?
Thanks, I removed Child and Zergbong. Any others?
There are no rule changes since last round.
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I wonder what will happen with Much after he joins the Air Force on the 26th, and he will join ACE in December? Will we be able to keep him, or will we have to pick up another player?
So many difficult choices for teams this year.
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Hong Kong20321 Posts
YAYYYYY FANTTASY SC ::D:D:D:D
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:45 Phelix wrote:
I wonder what will happen with Much after he joins the Air Force on the 26th, and he will join ACE in December? Will we be able to keep him, or will we have to pick up another player?
So many difficult choices for teams this year.
I'm just going to remove him as an option so people don't abuse it for Anti Team purposes.
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Daezang's almost a steal at 0 points. He's more likely to win a game than a lot of the 1 pointers.
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Now i have only 2 players on anti-team woohoo! :D
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Huyk dear god you better do something gooood
btw isnt iloveoov retired again aswell?
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Your Violet FanCafé leadership credibilities are questioned!
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 05 2009 16:57 dnosrc wrote:
Now i have only 2 players on anti-team woohoo! :D
what?
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NeverGG
United Kingdom5399 Posts
On October 05 2009 17:07 iCCup.deL wrote:Your Violet FanCafé leadership credibilities are questioned!
He's too expensive!
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On October 05 2009 17:38 NeverGG wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2009 17:07 iCCup.deL wrote:Your Violet FanCafé leadership credibilities are questioned! He's too expensive!
No excuse. Roro is ruining my team no matter what i do, but fanboyism must prevail.
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
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konadora
Singapore66145 Posts
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Protoss Darkage also FBH is bad
Main Team
2 FireFist
10  Flash (captain)
5 Luxury
1  Movie
4 sKyHigh
3 YellOw[ArnC]
5 KTF MagicNs
Anti Team
4 firebathero
5 free
6 Stork
If I could have, I would have gone with Iris over movie, but forced protoss picks. >:[
Nice to see Flash on his amusingly high top ranking that will no doubt come back to bite me in the ass, as cheering for Flash has always done.
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I have a suggestion to modify the anti-team points. Wouldn't it be cooler if you get points for each loss in your anti-team? Now you can have a player who plays ten games and looses all of them and it is like someone who was never placed. It might add a little more tactics to choose players that you think will play more frequently but loose more games to get extra points or those who you think won't play at all thus not getting minus points.
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Main team requires a protoss!
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I reaaaaally would love to put down Stork and BeSt but they're a little too expensive. Bisu too but... yeah. Replaced HyuK with Anytime.
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Yay, always missed out on this before, can't wait for it to start!
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flash captain
stork
fantasy
iris
jangbi
pusan
samsung khan
Anti team
hyuk
lomo
roro+ Show Spoiler +how can i put the race b4 the name of the player? newbie here
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On October 05 2009 21:09 imweakless wrote:flash captain stork fantasy iris jangbi pusan samsung khan Anti team hyuk lomo roro + Show Spoiler +how can i put the race b4 the name of the player? newbie here
Click on TLPD-ize (the Hydra icon). For some players you might have to mess around with capitalization - ie: Free.
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Can anyone tell me where the thread/game for tipping the actual games is?
eg:
1 A > B
2 C < D
3 ...
4 ...
5 ...
6 ...
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
Yeeeeeeees! finally it's about to start again, getting a headache already trying to plan a team without even knowing the week1 rosters ;p any clue when we'll have them?
Seems like it might be a tad harder to fit both JD & Flash in my team this time, even though there are some really nice 1 & 2 point players out on the markets! The most critical question is however gonna be am i going to let the fanboy in me choose Hwaseung as my team again, just to let me down..
Thanks for keeping this up Hot_Bid & others whom are involved!
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Where is much on the anti team list?
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Zergbong retired and coscha for KT now
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Netherlands6142 Posts
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Hi, I'm new here and to the fantasy PL although I have been following SC for quite a while. I just have some questions regarding the anti team. Do ALL the scoring rules apply to the anti team, i.e. if the team of the player in your anti-team wins, do you lose a point? Just making sure, Thanks.
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Disoblige
Main Team
2 BaBy
1 Iris
10 Jaedong (captain)
2 JangBi
2 July
4 sKyHigh
6 CJ Entus
Anti Team
5 free
6 GuemChi
3 Jaehoon
I still have some points left over for my main team, but I'm already very happy about it. Not too sure if I should have taken July over Savior though, I have a feeling that one of these guys are going to pick up their careers this year.
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fantasy is better and better ^^
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arg. Stupid Much being removed from the list.
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Oz and STX are the same price? I'm not sure I understand that, but thanks for running this anyway! SOOOO much fun.
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Ganzi costs as much as Zero? That seems weird.
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I really wish their was an option for non-official fantasy games (making the worst team with minimum 30 points in the main and maximum 13 points in anti, etc), or just to follow spoof/gimmic teams for fun.
So I could follow things like this:
+ Show Spoiler +Race war!!@# Hwasin, sKyHigh, Iris, fantasy, Flash, RuBy & WeMade FOX - Anti: Really, Lomo, GanZivs. Jaedong, EffOrt, ZerO, type-b, great, Crazy-Hydra & eSTRO - Anti: Luxury, RorO, HoGiLvs. Bisu, Kal, Stork, JangBi, Reach, Stats & Samsung KHAN - Anti: GuemChi, Much, Shuttle
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My first time doing this too. I think I'm going to stink it up. Wasn't too sure weather to put emphasis on ace match players or if it would be better to drop Stork into Zero in order to turn MBC into CJ...
Deranged Gerbils
Main Team
8 Calm (captain)
7 EffOrt
1 Iris
2 JangBi
6 Stork
3 YellOw[ArnC]
3 MBCGame Hero
Anti Team
6 BackHo
6 GuemChi
1 Snow
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Duchesse
Main Team
0 DaezanG
2 herb (captain)
2 PianO
2 Saint
1 Snow
1 Spear
4 Woongjin Stars
Anti Team
9 Bisu
10 Flash
10 Jaedong
Against all the odds! I expect PianO and Saint to make all the points. Herbert as captain, that just can go wrong, but still, he's funny. Snow and Spear... hmmm, I'd like to see them in a team for some 2vs2~ and DaezanG is just there to look badass...
There isn't much to say about my Anti Team. Jaedong is the only player I don't like, that's why he's in there. I think Bisu is quite ok, but I dislike his style of playing. It's effective and he's really good, but I just don't like it.
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What about Lucifer? Also isn't Doctor.k no longer playing?
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FKSSR
Main Team
7 EffOrt
7 fantasy
1 Iris
2 JangBi
4 sKyHigh (captain)
3 ZerO
6 CJ Entus
Anti Team
6 GuemChi
2 HyuN
5 RorO
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My first time doing a fantasy SC league, and it was pretty tough for me to put together my team and anti-team. If I would have had one more point for my team, it would look quite a bit different.
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Almost everyone has JangBi lol
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Do we just put our team here? Where can we check how we're doing?
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1st time player here. What exactly is the captain for? It says tiebreaker but i'm not sure what that means for this league? Also, if the anti-team players lose do you get points?
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On October 06 2009 03:15 snarl wrote:
1st time player here. What exactly is the captain for? It says tiebreaker but i'm not sure what that means for this league? Also, if the anti-team players lose do you get points?
If you have equal points with someone else your captain's points will solve who will be ranked higher . If a player on your anti - team doesn't gain points you simply don't lose points .
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Jangbi at 2 is surely a total bargain..
forgot to take him after having no zerg threw me totally off
T_T
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 06 2009 03:09 ParanoiaDHerO wrote:
Do we just put our team here? Where can we check how we're doing?
The standings will be updated on the page.
Check out last seasons:
http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Standings.php?r=3
On October 06 2009 03:15 snarl wrote:
1st time player here. What exactly is the captain for? It says tiebreaker but i'm not sure what that means for this league? Also, if the anti-team players lose do you get points?
Your captain cannot be traded all season (your other players can be traded between weeks).
You want your anti-team players to lose, but you also want them not to play. However, to get to 13 points its very hard to pick players that don't play, as the point values are based on how they did last round, and obviously the players with high point values (3+) have played often.
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Hastezia Sieg
Main Team
7 EffOrt (captain)
7 fantasy
3 Hyuk
2 July
1 Movie
4 sKyHigh
6 CJ Entus
Anti Team
3 Anytime
6 GuemChi
4 Justin
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This is my first Fantasy Starcraft so I'm probably doing something horribly wrong, but let's see how far I manage to go with this setup =)
I took a risk of not taking Jaedong (insta-almost-guaranteed point machine) to improve most of my members productivity. Except perhaps July, almost all of them are guaranteed to appear frequently in my opinion. And I got the heavy-hitters of CJ Entus! Really happy about that.
I would have loved to pick Iris over Movie, especially with ridiculous advantage Zerg has over Protoss in this map setup, but apparently Protoss was necessity. Well, I hope good luck to him. For my sake.
Overall, somewhat a risky team going all-in in the hope that CJ Entus will somehow edge out of SKT1 and Jaedong. Will perhaps July -> Jangbi, Movie -> Iris depending upon performance of these four players.
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How did you get Much on the anti-team? He's not there for me
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edit:
On October 05 2009 16:12 Hot_Bid wrote:
Does anyone see any more retired players on the list? I removed GGPlay and Shine.
On October 06 2009 01:51 Crunchums wrote:
What about Lucifer? Also isn't Doctor.k no longer playing?
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Much cannot be selected on Anti-Team because that would lead to too much abuse in the system. HotBid removed him, look at page 3 in this thread.
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On October 06 2009 05:13 Phelix wrote:
Much cannot be selected on Anti-Team because that would lead to too much abuse in the system. HotBid removed him, look at page 3 in this thread.
Thanks for the heads-up. Fixed.
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On October 06 2009 01:35 AMaidensWrath wrote:DuchesseMain Team0 DaezanG2 herb (captain) 2 PianO2 Saint1 Snow1 Spear4 Woongjin StarsAnti Team9 Bisu10 Flash10 JaedongAgainst all the odds! I expect PianO and Saint to make all the points. Herbert as captain, that just can go wrong, but still, he's funny. Snow and Spear... hmmm, I'd like to see them in a team for some 2vs2~ and DaezanG is just there to look badass... There isn't much to say about my Anti Team. Jaedong is the only player I don't like, that's why he's in there. I think Bisu is quite ok, but I dislike his style of playing. It's effective and he's really good, but I just don't like it.
Godspeed. 
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is Much gone from the list of available players now?
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On October 06 2009 05:25 Torenhire wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 01:35 AMaidensWrath wrote:DuchesseMain Team0 DaezanG2 herb (captain) 2 PianO2 Saint1 Snow1 Spear4 Woongjin StarsAnti Team9 Bisu10 Flash10 JaedongAgainst all the odds! I expect PianO and Saint to make all the points. Herbert as captain, that just can go wrong, but still, he's funny. Snow and Spear... hmmm, I'd like to see them in a team for some 2vs2~ and DaezanG is just there to look badass... There isn't much to say about my Anti Team. Jaedong is the only player I don't like, that's why he's in there. I think Bisu is quite ok, but I dislike his style of playing. It's effective and he's really good, but I just don't like it. Godspeed.
lol yup.
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Why is Iris only valued at 1?
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My teams ELO-Sum: 13005
Average ELO: 13005/6 = 2167.5
Anyone more?
btw: can anyone tell me where to find the game to guess the bo7s?
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Omg, Flash looks so cute in that banner. <3
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 06 2009 06:20 amoeba wrote:
Why is Iris only valued at 1?
For the same reason anyone is worth anything in the player prices. It's based on previous Proleague performance.
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What is the likelihood of a tiebreaker, I guess how significant are the captains is what I'm wondering...
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On October 06 2009 07:45 Hot_Bid wrote:For the same reason anyone is worth anything in the player prices. It's based on previous Proleague performance.
Is Lucifer going to be available?
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Braavos36374 Posts
On October 06 2009 08:24 Confuse wrote:
What is the likelihood of a tiebreaker, I guess how significant are the captains is what I'm wondering...
The "no trade" limitation to a captain is far more important than the tiebreaker. Tiebreaker is just when you tie someone in points at the end of the season.
On October 06 2009 08:33 Crunchums wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 07:45 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 06 2009 06:20 amoeba wrote:
Why is Iris only valued at 1? For the same reason anyone is worth anything in the player prices. It's based on previous Proleague performance. Is Lucifer going to be available?
I added him just now, thanks for the heads up.
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Anyone know when lineups will be available?
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Canada780 Posts
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leomon
Canada169 Posts
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btw much is not in the dropdown list
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Is it just me, or is this going to be the one chance FBH has to win against a toss, given the map pool? He might do decent!
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I haven't read all the posts in the thread but I noticed iloveoov in the player dropdown just now and as far as I know he isn't making his comeback yet. I would love to eat my words though :D
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protip: choose backho for antiteam -> zizi yO -> actually win points with anti team! or not since disqualifying no longer gives a buttload of negative points =(
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United States23455 Posts
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I'm not sure if this has been addressed yet, but what if proleague matches change to bo7? How does this affect the team points?
Unless, of course, there is no change. Then I just look like an idiot.
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PROTIP: choose one spot of each race and fill the rest with zergs, include Hyuk. Your anti-team should have as many tosses as possible.
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Team Rocket
Main Team
9 Bisu (captain)
5 great
3 Hyuk
3 hyvaa
1 Iris
3 YellOw[ArnC]
5 KTF MagicNs
Anti Team
5 BeSt
4 Justin
4 Sea
Wanted to use Luxury too, but figured I needed a more balanced series of players from different teams. Didn't like having 2 players from skt1, but Bisu is the only consistent protoss, and hyuk I've been a fan of for a while and he seems like he's going to finally start doing well, and it's zerg season. Great cuz he's a samsung zerg, hyvaa because he's an estro zerg, Iris because he's terran and cheap and decent, CJ doesn't really have a better terran atm imo. Yawnc cuz he's an ogn zerg. KTF because of Flash, Forgg, and Luxury.
Best sucks, this season sucks for protoss, and I can't see him playing much as is with the mappool as it is and Bisu being on the same team. Justin sucks. Sea has been doing poorly for a while and just fit the point range I needed and isn't zerg, nothing personal
I really wanted Stork because he's my favourite protoss ever, and he raped Fantasy in wcg, but he's inconsistent as is and these maps suck for protoss =/
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On October 06 2009 08:34 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2009 08:24 Confuse wrote:
What is the likelihood of a tiebreaker, I guess how significant are the captains is what I'm wondering... The "no trade" limitation to a captain is far more important than the tiebreaker. Tiebreaker is just when you tie someone in points at the end of the season.
Thanks for the clarification, I missed that part. I haven't decided to join on this before, so this is all new and exciting :D Now to watch from a distance...
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Changed some things around.
Bobobo YAHOO!
Main Team
10 Flash (captain)
5 great
1 Iris
2 JangBi
6 Stork
3 YellOw[ArnC]
3 Samsung KHAN
Anti Team
5 815
3 Killer
5 RorO
I was surprised at how cheap yarnc was. Yarnc + jangbi + iris is like what 5 or 6 points? Based on map previews, not a lot of tosses in mine, only stork cause hes awesome and jangbi cause hes only 2 points.
815, killer, roro won't get any playing time (hopefully)
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GUYS: Protip - Get as many terran players as possible, Make sure to get FLASH and IRIS.
These are Zerg graveyard maps.
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Can someone clarify the anti-team scoring? Is it just negative the regular player scoring?
For example, if Bisu is on my antiteam, and he shows up on the non-ace lineup, is that already a -1 for me? If he plays an ace but loses, is that -2+1 = -1 for me? Or do you only count losses (+1), wins (-2), and streaks? Can you possibly gain points from your anti-team?
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On October 06 2009 07:09 iSCd wrote:
My teams ELO-Sum: 13005
Average ELO: 13005/6 = 2167.5
Anyone more?
Peak: 13581
Current: 13191
All of my guys are currently in the top 13 in terms of ELO, but I'm also stuck with Khan for my team. I see a couple easy substitutions I could make to get higher, but I'm happy with my current group.
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On October 06 2009 20:27 DaisyP wrote:
Can someone clarify the anti-team scoring? Is it just negative the regular player scoring?
For example, if Bisu is on my antiteam, and he shows up on the non-ace lineup, is that already a -1 for me? If he plays an ace but loses, is that -2+1 = -1 for me? Or do you only count losses (+1), wins (-2), and streaks? Can you possibly gain points from your anti-team?
No, you can't get points from them. Its exactly like main team scoring except negative.
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Wow, your really relying on Jaedong losing hardcore.
18 points on your anti?!
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Eh... I have a question:
Do the players' trade value change during the PL depending on their play, or they keep the starting ones through all the league?
Thanks in advance.
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I'm trying to pick players that I like but its tough. Of course Stork will be on my team. There was no doubt about it. I chose Jangbi because I feel sorry for him and because he is cheap; I normally would not consider picking Jangbi. I'm not a big fan of Skyhigh or Violet but they are pretty damned solid for their prices. I chose Luxury because I needed a zerg and he is no doubt a risky pick. Lastly, it was a choice because FBH or Upmagic and I chose FBH just because I feel that estro will fail as usual.
BeSt will always be on my anti-team whether his value is high or low. Lomo is another one that always proves to be mediocre. Bogus is just a random pick and the fact that he rarely appears anywhere.
海賊王
Main Team
4 firebathero
2 JangBi
5 Luxury
4 sKyHigh
6 Stork (captain)
6 Violet
3 Samsung KHAN
Anti Team
5 BeSt
3 Bogus
5 Lomo
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You got balls for anti-ing jaedong.
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I keep waffling back and forth between having Calm on my main team and Fox/Estro as the team, or having Horang2 and then picking KT as the team. Also, I'm debating swapping Iris for Ruby.And jangbi for movie
Gubbinal
Main Team
2 Ace
9 Bisu (captain)
5 Horang2
1 Iris
2 JangBi
6 Violet
5 KTF MagicNs
Anti Team
4 firebathero
4 Justin
5 Lomo
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On October 07 2009 05:37 Meta wrote:CALAMITOUS INTENTMain Team7 fantasy2 FireFist1 FrOzean10 Jaedong (captain) 2 JangBi3 YellOw[ArnC]5 KTF MagicNsAnti Team5 Horang27 Kal3 SoOAfter the OSL Prelims I replaced Iris with Frozean. Screw you, slumping Iris! I also replaced July with Firefist. I also have a feeling Horang2 will come back to bite me in the ass, for some reason.
I would replace Horang2 with Lomo or Roro. Horang2 is pretty risky on the anti-team, he's shown no signs of declining in his play. He would be an ace player for most of the lower teams, honestly.
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What happens if on of your anti-team members makes an appearance? Point wise that is. I would assume that nothing happens at all but I want to be certain=].
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who would u guys take, yarnc or zero?
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Gl&Hf all! 
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On October 07 2009 06:24 Belano wrote:
What happens if on of your anti-team members makes an appearance? Point wise that is. I would assume that nothing happens at all but I want to be certain=].
would also like to know the answer to this
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If they make an appearance they get 1 point, if they lose they lose 1 point. If their team wins they get 1 point.
So if their team wins 3-0 and they were 4th, they can get 2 points without ever winning. (iirc).
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On October 07 2009 06:24 MrHickoryHam54 wrote:
who would u guys take, yarnc or zero?
It depends on your anti-team. Yarnc is the better deal but if you have justin on your antiteam Zero might be slightly better, reverse is true if you have members of stars on your anti. However, Yarnc also wasn't doing great in prelims and may have started slumping. Zero will also make more ace appearances. The best choice is to probably to pick yarnc and then try and trade him for Zero.
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is there a limit to the points for the anti-team?
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This is a post I made in the broodwar thread on PL, but I realized it fits much better here as it won't be useful except for making teams :
I just compiled a google spreadsheet using ELO as a method for comparing price/efficiency for the top 75 players. It's not perfect but I found it interesting and usable.
Basically I subtracted 2000 from their ELO and divided the points by this number, then multiplied it by 100 to achieve percent for easier readability.
So, the lower the number, the better the price.
The obvious things, that have already been noted are that Iris /Jangbi are absurdly good picks, while Justin is unbelievably bad (his efficiency is 23.53%, the next worst is Lomo at 13.16%)
It's kind of basic right now (just has ELO/Points/Efficiency/Team) but as the season progresses I may add things like lineup %, vZ/vT/vP efficiency, or do some kind of consideration with teams.
As far as efficiency, Bisu is 16th, Flash 28th and Jaedong 33rd. There are obviously far more concerns than just the efficiency, but I feel that it's very useful, especially for determining anti-team.
I couldn't figure out a good way to handle people below 2000.
Here is the link : http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0Aj0oXE3wlaK2dDlQakhiQW1RbXBPOGQtWW9oR2pJR1E&hl=en
You might need a gmail account to open it, though.
Currently sorted from most -> Least efficient, the top 80 players. I have the data for the next 40 or so ranked players, however the formula has all of them as negative values. But it is true that if you pick a player with <2000 elo, it should only be for team points as they have worse than 50/50 odds against a total newcomer.
Good picks for team (best to worst)
Iris - 1 point GOM finalist who crushed bisu in a bo5. If he has retained even a small portion of the condition he was in it it will be worth it, and there is only 1 point at stake. The real cost is the player slot. (if at the end of the season Daezang was a better buy, you'll feel bad).
Jangbi
Yarnc
Movie - Movie is especially valuable as CJ has almost no other protosses now that much has left. It depends on if the race rule is changed, though.
July
Lucifer - This one was a surprise, but his competition on Fox will be slim (Pure..) and he did well in the OSL prelims, only losing 2-1 to Ruby, who had been performing very well before going to Ace.
Speaking of Ruby.... he is also a very good pick. As shown from his OSL qualification after basic training, his skills are still there, and he will likely have a guaranteed spot in the ACE lineup.
Good picks for anti-team: (from best pick to worst)
Justin - #79 - lol. Justin might see more play now that go.go fled the ship, but until playoffs I wouldn't worry about him being a constant presence. Hite just has a much more solid lineup with Yarnc, Type-B, Leta, Horang2. The only time he may show up is if the entire rest of the team is playing in the ro4 again.
Anytime- #80 - An ACE player who costs 3 points. The only risk is that he may show in ace matches, which would never happen with most of the others on this list, and in addition is almost a certainty for lineup appearance.
Lomo - # 75 - He beat BeSt, and is overall mediocre.
Roro - # 73 - Another potential ace match player, however his lackluster vP hurts him somewhat,
as does the potential for Ameba to steal his role as Fox's Zerg.
Guemchi- # 66 - No risk of Ace matches, but his Elo seems depressed somewhat and you may get hurt badly.
Backho - # 63 - Neither backho or Guemchi are bad players, they're just somewhat overvalued - picking Backho for anti-team is risky, but not necessarily bad.
Risky for either :
Violet - at #55, he isn't the best choice. However, as his elo comes exclusively from PL and is still tainted from when he was playing really poorly, he might be good pick. The new map pool makes most protosses slightly suspect.
Leta - at #59, a very similar situation to Violet. The question is how well he has recovered from his absolutely crushing dissection by CJ in playoffs.
The idea is not so much to give guidance on main teams, as to give guidance on anti-teams - Yarnc is a terrible antiteam pick, if only for team points and because there are much safer players in the same price range - for same price you can get someone like Soo or Anytime.
Edit :
On October 07 2009 06:54 imperfek wrote:
is there a limit to the points for the anti-team?
No.
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On October 07 2009 06:24 Belano wrote:
What happens if on of your anti-team members makes an appearance? Point wise that is. I would assume that nothing happens at all but I want to be certain=].
its the exact same scoring except negative
so if they make an appearance, its -1 for you
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On October 07 2009 08:14 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 06:24 Belano wrote:
What happens if on of your anti-team members makes an appearance? Point wise that is. I would assume that nothing happens at all but I want to be certain=]. its the exact same scoring except negative so if they make an appearance, its -1 for you
That wasn't stated in the OP. Now I have to remake my team again, ugh.
These players will lose you points when they win
yeah, it says nothing about appearances. might want to fix that.
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I changed the language to make it more clear.
Though I don't really see why you would have to remake your team, because if you formed your Anti Team based on the statement of "wins will lose you points," its essentially the same goal: picking Anti Team players who won't get wins. Obviously, if they don't play, they can't win. Appearance points don't change anything really, since you want to avoid appearances under either statement.
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Team yAk.
Main Team
(P)Bisu 9 [Captain]
(T)fantasy 7
(Z)Luxury 5
(Z)YellOw[ArnC] 3
(P)JangBi 2
(T)Iris 1
MBCGame HERO 3
Anti Team
(P)BackHo 6
(P)SoO 3
(T)firebathero 4
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Why not 815 for anit, he rarely plays.
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On October 07 2009 13:41 MuffinDude wrote:
Why not 815 for anit, he rarely plays.
We'll have to see, could end up being a good choice. However, there are second string tosses on teams that have 2 decent terrans and 2 decent zergs, so depending on how you feel about the maps they might be better picks.
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On October 07 2009 08:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
I changed the language to make it more clear.
Though I don't really see why you would have to remake your team, because if you formed your Anti Team based on the statement of "wins will lose you points," its essentially the same goal: picking Anti Team players who won't get wins. Obviously, if they don't play, they can't win. Appearance points don't change anything really, since you want to avoid appearances under either statement.
SKT1 Zergs. They don't play if SKT1 goes 3-0, and even if they play, they lose. =p
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How dare you anti-team my personal hero FBH lol
that's probably the most sensible decision I've seen anyone make so far
also I'm an australian and will be battling you!!
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On October 07 2009 18:11 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 08:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
I changed the language to make it more clear.
Though I don't really see why you would have to remake your team, because if you formed your Anti Team based on the statement of "wins will lose you points," its essentially the same goal: picking Anti Team players who won't get wins. Obviously, if they don't play, they can't win. Appearance points don't change anything really, since you want to avoid appearances under either statement. SKT1 Zergs. They don't play if SKT1 goes 3-0, and even if they play, they lose. =p
Last season, the SK Telecom Zergs missed a combined 1 lineup appearance due to 3-0. That's a difference of one point over an entire round.
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On October 07 2009 22:16 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 18:11 cascades wrote:On October 07 2009 08:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
I changed the language to make it more clear.
Though I don't really see why you would have to remake your team, because if you formed your Anti Team based on the statement of "wins will lose you points," its essentially the same goal: picking Anti Team players who won't get wins. Obviously, if they don't play, they can't win. Appearance points don't change anything really, since you want to avoid appearances under either statement. SKT1 Zergs. They don't play if SKT1 goes 3-0, and even if they play, they lose. =p Last season, the SK Telecom Zergs missed a combined 1 lineup appearance due to 3-0. That's a difference of one point over an entire round.
Was a joke, as I wasn't the person who had to remake. Still, the statistics surprised me. Goes to show you how little clue I have. This is particularly evident when picking antis. Have a hard time wondering whether they will appear...
cascades
Main
3 YellOw[ArnC]
3 JangBi
1 Iris
1 Movie
10 Jaedong Captain)
7 EffOrt
6 CJ
Anti
4 firebathero
4 Justin
5 Lomo
P.s -can a mod delete the post on top? Messed up the format and can't edit it. Thanks.
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On October 07 2009 23:40 cascades wrote:Show nested quote +On October 07 2009 22:16 Hot_Bid wrote:On October 07 2009 18:11 cascades wrote:On October 07 2009 08:31 Hot_Bid wrote:
I changed the language to make it more clear.
Though I don't really see why you would have to remake your team, because if you formed your Anti Team based on the statement of "wins will lose you points," its essentially the same goal: picking Anti Team players who won't get wins. Obviously, if they don't play, they can't win. Appearance points don't change anything really, since you want to avoid appearances under either statement. SKT1 Zergs. They don't play if SKT1 goes 3-0, and even if they play, they lose. =p Last season, the SK Telecom Zergs missed a combined 1 lineup appearance due to 3-0. That's a difference of one point over an entire round. Was a joke, as I wasn't the person who had to remake. Still, the statistics surprised me. Goes to show you how little clue I have. This is particularly evident when picking antis. Have a hard time wondering whether they will appear... cascadesMain3 YellOw[ArnC]3 JangBi 1 Iris 1 Movie 10 Jaedong Captain) 7 EffOrt 6 CJ
Anti4 firebathero4 Justin 5 Lomo P.s -can a mod delete the post on top? Messed up the format and can't edit it. Thanks.
Just use this link http://www.teamliquid.net/fantasy/proleague/Team.php and copy paste the code from there.
Jangbi is only 2points by the way.
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Resubmission
GGitup
Main Team
2 (P)JangBi
2 (T)HiyA
7 (Z)EffOrt (team captain)
4 (Z)Kwanro
2 (Z)type-b
7 (T)fantasy
6 STX SouL
Anti Team
4 (T)Justin
4 (P)Much
5 (Z)815
Thank you
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pripple
Finland1714 Posts
you cheat a lot mr! and SKT1 is only 8 points?! ;p
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is it just me, or is much not on the list at all?
I want to put him on my anti, but he isn't there...
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Who would you guys rather have, Hyuk or Yellow [arnc]? cause i just can't pick
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Dominican Republic825 Posts
both are good players but Yellow[arnc] have played a lot and know many players well
Hyuk i think i will be doing good this season
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On October 08 2009 06:20 Vivi57 wrote:
is it just me, or is much not on the list at all?
I want to put him on my anti, but he isn't there...
He is going through basic and won't play anything for r1.
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First Time
Main Team
(10) Jaedong (captain)
(2) Jangbi
(1) Iris
(5) Great
(8) Calm
(1) Reach
(3) Samsung Khan
Anti Team
(5) Luxury
(5) Horang2
(3) SoO
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The PL Schedule is out! Time to make some revisions!
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Ok so if an anti team player shows up (non ace match) and they lose, what is the effect on my team? 0 or -1?
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-1 if their team wins, 0 if it loses.
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On October 08 2009 15:30 noddyz wrote:
-1 if their team wins, 0 if it loses.
what about the individual game though? Same thing?
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Score an AT player exactly like you would a MT player, and then just subtract that from your total score. That's his effect.
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Much? he's not an option....
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On October 08 2009 21:35 Hot_Bid wrote:Much? he's not an option....
why not? i cant pick him at all?
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Hmmmmhm.. 14 points left to spend..
(7)EffOrt & (7)Fantasy?
(10)Jaedong & (4)Kwanro?
can't make up my mind 1 day left to do so..
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Oh my god. First time I try this and the magic of the Fantasy section unfolds into my view. This is exciting! Superb job TL staff, getting this show on the road again!
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STX soul, hwaseung Oz or CJ entus, ahh not sure which team to go with, I want to choose Oz but i don't think they will fend well, what do you guys thing?
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how do you create groups ?
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I think I misread this.. Jaehoon is 3 points and Iris is 1?
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Hi, this is my first time playing, and I have a question about my Anti-Team. I know if they win, I lose points... but what if they LOSE? Do I gain points? My roster looks like this so far o.o
loliKNOW!
Main Team
8 Calm
1 Iris
10 Jaedong (captain)
2 Pure
2 sAviOr
4 sKyHigh
3 Samsung KHAN
Anti Team
5 Lomo
5 Really
5 RorO
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1st time FPL, 1st post!
Team LoveJuice
Main Team
10 Jaedong (captain)
8 Calm
2 sAviOr
2 JangBi
1 Movie
1 Iris
6 CJ Entus
Anti Team
5 free
4 Justin
5 Lomo
Counting on strong performance from Jaedong & Calm. Hopefully Savior will destroy everyone in 2009 even though its already late 2009.
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Sign ups almost over! Hype!
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TLP Rainstorm
Main Team
9 Bisu (captain)
2 GosI[Flying]
3 Hyuk
1 Movie
4 sKyHigh
3 YellOw[ArnC]
8 SK Telecom T1
Anti Team
2 BaBy
6 GuemChi
5 RorO
Two starters for CJ in Movie and Skyhigh. Hyuk is the only Zerg on SKT1 now so they'll run him on maps. Gosl is the same way for 'toss on Estro. Yarnc is a steal for three(but I kinda want Killer in his spot) and Bisu is boss. Also, SKT1 has the best chance to 3-0 with Bisu and Fantasy heading it up. So hopefully points come in there. The antiteam worries me, but I have faith in BaBy sucking. Rainstorm Fighting!
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terran are just as imba TvP and even TvZ.
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this is my first time doing fantasy proleague. i am very confused about anti-team selection.
i understand if the player loses, i will gain points because he lost, vice versa. but how do the other statistics factor in?
when my anti-team member has a non-ace appearance, does that i will lose points becuase they appeared, or do the opposite point gain system of the antiteam only apply to win/loss?
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On October 10 2009 04:10 hyst.eric.al wrote:
this is my first time doing fantasy proleague. i am very confused about anti-team selection.
i understand if the player loses, i will gain points because he lost, vice versa. but how do the other statistics factor in?
when my anti-team member has a non-ace appearance, does that i will lose points becuase they appeared, or do the opposite point gain system of the antiteam only apply to win/loss?
from OP:
These players will score points just like Main Team players, but their score counts against you
so every point they gain, be it victory or appearance in winning team, counts again you.
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On October 10 2009 04:10 hyst.eric.al wrote:
this is my first time doing fantasy proleague. i am very confused about anti-team selection.
i understand if the player loses, i will gain points because he lost, vice versa. but how do the other statistics factor in?
when my anti-team member has a non-ace appearance, does that i will lose points becuase they appeared, or do the opposite point gain system of the antiteam only apply to win/loss?
my first time as well but I'm under the impression that anti team can NEVER give you points, only deduct points from you. Hypothetically the best you can score with anti is 0.
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RamenStyle
Main Team
5 BeSt
10 Jaedong (captain)
2 JangBi
1 Movie
4 sKyHigh
2 Stats
6 CJ Entus
Anti Team
6 BackHo
4 Justin
3 SoO
Omg, dunno what I'm doing. I had one point left but I just wanted to use it so I changed Iris for Stats. Now I have a protoss stacked team in the Z>T>P era... I hope the risk of taking Stats pays off.
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On October 10 2009 06:38 plaszczka wrote:
Question! Am i blind, or there's no Much in the Anti-team list? I don't have him
On October 05 2009 16:53 Hot_Bid wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2009 16:45 Phelix wrote:
I wonder what will happen with Much after he joins the Air Force on the 26th, and he will join ACE in December? Will we be able to keep him, or will we have to pick up another player?
So many difficult choices for teams this year. I'm just going to remove him as an option so people don't abuse it for Anti Team purposes.
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Lol Itachii that's very similar to mine (i actually changed it a bit at the last minute, it was exactly the same a few hours ago xD)
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EPT
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