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On September 14 2009 19:37 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:24 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:21 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:20 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:16 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:14 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:01 Matoo- wrote:On September 14 2009 18:56 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:On September 14 2009 18:51 Matoo- wrote:
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The reason why many people hate KeSPA is that, beyond being just another greedy corporation, it was supposed to be promoting e-sports in general, and that includes things like helping out new leagues, defending players rights and stuff - but in reality KeSPA is doing the exact opposite. Then you hate every single governing establishment in the world. Everyone that "hates" KeSPA is a moron because you can easily equate KeSPA's practices to every single established organization in the world. Yes, even in France. Bottom line, is they are doing what they feel is in their best interests. Blizzard is doing the same things. In fact, NO LAN was one of their first move in attempting to plunder the Esports industry in Korea. They are doing what is in the best interest of the companies they work for (most people on the KeSPA board belong to companies with interests at stake and are not independent at all), not what is in the best interest of korean e-sports in general (or in the best interest of pro-gamers in particular - see recent FA incident). That's the issue. It's not at all "just like every other organization out there". You're oversimplifying. I'm not sure you understand the situation here the companies are the life blood of esport, they sponsor the teams and the leagues. kespa has made dumb moves in the past, but it's still a korean institution, who is best at serving the needs of korean esport. blizzard, or activisionblizzard profitted from the increased exposure and millions of additional sales, and yet they're now trying to muscle in on an industry they didn't create. It's like not being happy with a free pie that fell from the sky and demanding the sky for more pies. "I'm not sure you understand the situation here" Funny how you post this and then post 2 paragraphs of arguments that don't relate to each other at all. Also, Blizzard doesn't want complete control of a leagues. It would delegate the responsibility to a Korean institution of its choice... probably GOM. you need to read again then what you're suggesting is insane Why is it insane? are you serious? There is nothing I hate more than someone being condescending to me. Stop it, please. you can't be that dense people don't go to a baseball game to see a baseball and a bat and a dirt field, they go to see the players make magic. same thing here - people don't go to an esports game to see the starcraft graphics. it took years of hard work from organizers, commentators, money from the team sponsors and league sponsors, and dedication from the players to create korean esports. and you think they'll just lie down and die? all these years I've never heard of a blizzard starleague, have you? if all it took was for starcraft to be installed on a computer then anyone could've done it. what you're suggesting, that blizz just waltz in and take the broadcasting rights and affiliate with the new kid gom, that'd kill Starleague and MSL. And best of all, which korean's gonna play in gom? that's exactly the situation we're in right now.
Blizzard made the game, it is in their right to do whatever they want with it simple as that.
Now, if KESPA doesn't like that Blizzard take control over their own game when it comes to competitive gaming they can simply choose to not use the game. Use some other game, just like they did with Sudden Attack instead of Counterstrike.
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On September 14 2009 19:44 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:32 Eury wrote:
It is their own game, they can do whatever they want with it.
I suggest KESPA create their own god damn game if they want control over it. Not like it is the first time Koreans just blatant copy someone else. See Sudden Attack & Kart Rider. WTF are you talking about? Why do you act like you know what you're talking about? Blizzard has the right to SELL their game anywhere they like. They don't like how Korea does things, don't sell it there. And stop being an ignorant racist. WTF does Sudden Attack and Kart Rider have to do with KeSPA? You're just going to equate games made in Korea to KeSPA? Are you that much of a moron?
Stop spewing that racist bullshit around. Korean (and Chinese) companies ripping off foreign products isn't exactly unheard of. Just ask Japanese companies if you don't believe me.
If KeSPA don't like dealing with Blizzard then don't fucking use their game then. I'm sure some company is willing enough to make an inferior copy of Starcraft that they can use.
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i just hope that some troll hijacked sdm's twitter
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On September 14 2009 19:41 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:37 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:24 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:21 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:20 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:16 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:14 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:01 Matoo- wrote:On September 14 2009 18:56 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:
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Then you hate every single governing establishment in the world. Everyone that "hates" KeSPA is a moron because you can easily equate KeSPA's practices to every single established organization in the world. Yes, even in France.
Bottom line, is they are doing what they feel is in their best interests. Blizzard is doing the same things. In fact, NO LAN was one of their first move in attempting to plunder the Esports industry in Korea. They are doing what is in the best interest of the companies they work for (most people on the KeSPA board belong to companies with interests at stake and are not independent at all), not what is in the best interest of korean e-sports in general (or in the best interest of pro-gamers in particular - see recent FA incident). That's the issue. It's not at all "just like every other organization out there". You're oversimplifying. I'm not sure you understand the situation here the companies are the life blood of esport, they sponsor the teams and the leagues. kespa has made dumb moves in the past, but it's still a korean institution, who is best at serving the needs of korean esport. blizzard, or activisionblizzard profitted from the increased exposure and millions of additional sales, and yet they're now trying to muscle in on an industry they didn't create. It's like not being happy with a free pie that fell from the sky and demanding the sky for more pies. "I'm not sure you understand the situation here" Funny how you post this and then post 2 paragraphs of arguments that don't relate to each other at all. Also, Blizzard doesn't want complete control of a leagues. It would delegate the responsibility to a Korean institution of its choice... probably GOM. you need to read again then what you're suggesting is insane Why is it insane? are you serious? There is nothing I hate more than someone being condescending to me. Stop it, please. you can't be that dense people don't go to a baseball game to see a baseball and a bat and a dirt field, they go to see the players make magic. same thing here - people don't go to an esports game to see the starcraft graphics. it took years of hard work from organizers, commentators, money from the team sponsors and league sponsors, and dedication from the players to create korean esports. and you think they'll just lie down and die? all these years I've never heard of a blizzard starleague, have you? if all it took was for starcraft to be installed on a computer then anyone could've done it. what you're suggesting, that blizz just waltz in and take the broadcasting rights and affiliate with the new kid gom, that'd kill Starleague and MSL. And best of all, which korean's gonna play in gom? that's exactly the situation we're in right now. No, wtf. MSL and OSL dying? Why would they die? Kespa is not MBC/OGN.
All the years of hard work is materialized in the form of broadcast. you think they'll give that up?
Kespa IS OGN/mbc, like it or not they need an entity like kespa to perform its all-inclusive functions. If not Kespa then it'll be another entity that is identical except in name. But it'll always be korean, cus they made it into what it is.
On September 14 2009 19:45 Eury wrote:
Blizzard made the game, it is in their right to do whatever they want with it simple as that.
Now, if KESPA doesn't like that Blizzard take control over their own game when it comes to competitive gaming they can simply choose to not use the game. Use some other game, just like they did with Sudden Attack instead of Counterstrike.
Yeah, and Blizzard won't be doing any business in Korea.
Don't you see the tradeoff here? It's no good for anybody. Used to be that blizzard just profitted indirectly, now they risk losing all of it.
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motbob
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On September 14 2009 19:53 milan63 wrote:
i just hope that some troll hijacked smd-s twitter
Many of us could see this coming... after SKT dropped out the writing was sort of on the wall.
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Zurich15358 Posts
ZeitgeistMovie: relax please. The other few guys who are fighting in here too.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
This quote chain is too long, let me start over.
You seem to be making some very strange assumptions about what Blizzard wants to do. Taking power away from Kespa does NOT mean only giving broadcast rights to GOM. Taking away the monopoly currently in place in Korea does NOT mean that Blizzard is planning to kill MSL/OSL.
Also, you said this:
Yeah, and Blizzard won't be doing any business in Korea.
lol wtf? GOM will be doing business in Korea with Blizzard, that's the whole point of this drama!
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On September 14 2009 19:49 Eury wrote:
Stop spewing that racist bullshit around. Korean (and Chinese) companies ripping off foreign products isn't exactly unheard of. Just ask Japanese companies if you don't believe me.
If KeSPA don't like dealing with Blizzard then don't fucking use their game then. I'm sure some company is willing enough to make an inferior copy of Starcraft that they can use.
Wow, Sweden really showing their racist side. It was there but at least you put it out in the open now.
-Somehow, it's KeSPA trying to "use" Blizzard's game, when it's going to be Blizzard that will try to sell the game.
-Somehow Koreans and Chinese (don't know how those guys got into the argument) companies are ripping of foreign products, when you personally have probably been ripping pro gamer builds in STARCRAFT for years ROFL!!! Any idiot can realize that anyone can accuse anyone of copying anything. You have to be lower than an idiot to realize that.
In conclusion, you're an ignorant racist who has no understanding of the issue. All you know is you want Starcraft 2 in the hands of good players who can play games that you can jerk off to.
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On September 14 2009 19:53 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:41 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:37 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:24 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:21 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:20 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:16 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:14 motbob wrote:On September 14 2009 19:11 .risingdragoon wrote:On September 14 2009 19:01 Matoo- wrote:
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They are doing what is in the best interest of the companies they work for (most people on the KeSPA board belong to companies with interests at stake and are not independent at all), not what is in the best interest of korean e-sports in general (or in the best interest of pro-gamers in particular - see recent FA incident). That's the issue. It's not at all "just like every other organization out there". You're oversimplifying. I'm not sure you understand the situation here the companies are the life blood of esport, they sponsor the teams and the leagues. kespa has made dumb moves in the past, but it's still a korean institution, who is best at serving the needs of korean esport. blizzard, or activisionblizzard profitted from the increased exposure and millions of additional sales, and yet they're now trying to muscle in on an industry they didn't create. It's like not being happy with a free pie that fell from the sky and demanding the sky for more pies. "I'm not sure you understand the situation here" Funny how you post this and then post 2 paragraphs of arguments that don't relate to each other at all. Also, Blizzard doesn't want complete control of a leagues. It would delegate the responsibility to a Korean institution of its choice... probably GOM. you need to read again then what you're suggesting is insane Why is it insane? are you serious? There is nothing I hate more than someone being condescending to me. Stop it, please. you can't be that dense people don't go to a baseball game to see a baseball and a bat and a dirt field, they go to see the players make magic. same thing here - people don't go to an esports game to see the starcraft graphics. it took years of hard work from organizers, commentators, money from the team sponsors and league sponsors, and dedication from the players to create korean esports. and you think they'll just lie down and die? all these years I've never heard of a blizzard starleague, have you? if all it took was for starcraft to be installed on a computer then anyone could've done it. what you're suggesting, that blizz just waltz in and take the broadcasting rights and affiliate with the new kid gom, that'd kill Starleague and MSL. And best of all, which korean's gonna play in gom? that's exactly the situation we're in right now. No, wtf. MSL and OSL dying? Why would they die? Kespa is not MBC/OGN. All the years of hard work is materialized in the form of broadcast. you think they'll give that up? Kespa IS OGN/mbc, like it or not they need an entity like kespa to perform its all-inclusive functions. If not Kespa then it'll be another entity that is identical except in name. Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:45 Eury wrote:
Blizzard made the game, it is in their right to do whatever they want with it simple as that.
Now, if KESPA doesn't like that Blizzard take control over their own game when it comes to competitive gaming they can simply choose to not use the game. Use some other game, just like they did with Sudden Attack instead of Counterstrike. Yeah, and Blizzard won't be doing any business in Korea. Don't you see the tradeoff here? It's no good for anybody. Used to be that blizzard just profitted indirectly, now they risk losing all of it.
They can do business in Korea without KeSPA.
KeSPA has tried to threaten Blizzard with that they are going to use their influence to try to get Starcraft 2 a mature rating, which would limit its sale.
Even if KeSPA would be successful with that I'm not sure it would held up in court, and I have a feeling WTO would have a say about such shrewd business practice.
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 19:59 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:49 Eury wrote:
Stop spewing that racist bullshit around. Korean (and Chinese) companies ripping off foreign products isn't exactly unheard of. Just ask Japanese companies if you don't believe me.
If KeSPA don't like dealing with Blizzard then don't fucking use their game then. I'm sure some company is willing enough to make an inferior copy of Starcraft that they can use.
Wow, Sweden really showing their racist side. It was there but at least you put it out in the open now.-Somehow, it's KeSPA trying to "use" Blizzard's game, when it's going to be Blizzard that will try to sell the game. -Somehow Koreans and Chinese (don't know how those guys got into the argument) companies are ripping of foreign products, when you personally have probably been ripping pro gamer builds in STARCRAFT for years ROFL!!! Any idiot can realize that anyone can accuse anyone of copying anything. You have to be lower than an idiot to realize that.In conclusion, you're an ignorant racist who has no understanding of the issue. All you know is you want Starcraft 2 in the hands of good players who can play games that you can jerk off to.
speaks for itself
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On September 14 2009 19:59 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:49 Eury wrote:
Stop spewing that racist bullshit around. Korean (and Chinese) companies ripping off foreign products isn't exactly unheard of. Just ask Japanese companies if you don't believe me.
If KeSPA don't like dealing with Blizzard then don't fucking use their game then. I'm sure some company is willing enough to make an inferior copy of Starcraft that they can use.
Wow, Sweden really showing their racist side. It was there but at least you put it out in the open now. -Somehow, it's KeSPA trying to "use" Blizzard's game, when it's going to be Blizzard that will try to sell the game. -Somehow Koreans and Chinese (don't know how those guys got into the argument) companies are ripping of foreign products, when you personally have probably been ripping pro gamer builds in STARCRAFT for years ROFL!!! Any idiot can realize that anyone can accuse anyone of copying anything. You have to be lower than an idiot to realize that. In conclusion, you're an ignorant racist who has no understanding of the issue. All you know is you want Starcraft 2 in the hands of good players who can play games that you can jerk off to.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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On September 14 2009 19:58 motbob wrote:This quote chain is too long, let me start over. You seem to be making some very strange assumptions about what Blizzard wants to do. Taking power away from Kespa does NOT mean only giving broadcast rights to GOM. Taking away the monopoly currently in place in Korea does NOT mean that Blizzard is planning to kill MSL/OSL. Also, you said this: lol wtf? GOM will be doing business in Korea with Blizzard, that's the whole point of this drama!
Dude. The NFL is a monopoly on pro football in America. No one gives a damn because they have games every Sunday that people enjoy. No one in Korea gives a damn that KeSPA is the governing body of Esports in Korea.
GOM and KeSPA are NOT related as far as I know. GOM is the equivalence of OGN while KeSPA would be the equivalence of the NFLPA in America. How the hell would GOM replace KeSPA?
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No more GOM? This has to be a joke... They are closing a league just because little Kespa does not want to share they toy? Great... GOM was my favorite "starleague" and on top of that the casting was really great... damn you kespa..
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ZeitgistMovie, why do you need to start every quote reply with an insult and finish with an insult?
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 20:07 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:58 motbob wrote:This quote chain is too long, let me start over. You seem to be making some very strange assumptions about what Blizzard wants to do. Taking power away from Kespa does NOT mean only giving broadcast rights to GOM. Taking away the monopoly currently in place in Korea does NOT mean that Blizzard is planning to kill MSL/OSL. Also, you said this: Yeah, and Blizzard won't be doing any business in Korea. lol wtf? GOM will be doing business in Korea with Blizzard, that's the whole point of this drama! No one in Korea gives a damn that KeSPA is the governing body of Esports in Korea.
OK, obviously you have not been following the issue closely at all. Three words: angry netizen comments.
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On September 14 2009 20:09 FortuneSyn wrote:
ZeitgistMovie, why do you need to start every quote reply with an insult and finish with an insult?
Because he have no valid points and simply trying to create drama with trolling.
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On September 14 2009 19:59 ZeitgeistMovie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:49 Eury wrote:
Stop spewing that racist bullshit around. Korean (and Chinese) companies ripping off foreign products isn't exactly unheard of. Just ask Japanese companies if you don't believe me.
If KeSPA don't like dealing with Blizzard then don't fucking use their game then. I'm sure some company is willing enough to make an inferior copy of Starcraft that they can use.
Wow, Sweden really showing their racist side. It was there but at least you put it out in the open now. -Somehow, it's KeSPA trying to "use" Blizzard's game, when it's going to be Blizzard that will try to sell the game. -Somehow Koreans and Chinese (don't know how those guys got into the argument) companies are ripping of foreign products, when you personally have probably been ripping pro gamer builds in STARCRAFT for years ROFL!!! Any idiot can realize that anyone can accuse anyone of copying anything. You have to be lower than an idiot to realize that. In conclusion, you're an ignorant racist who has no understanding of the issue. All you know is you want Starcraft 2 in the hands of good players who can play games that you can jerk off to.
You are really not making much sense. First of all you seem to share, the unfortunately too common mind set in Korea, that everything revolves around race. I don't represent my whole country sorry to say, it is my own opinions that my fellow countrymen may or may not share, it is really besides the point though.
KeSPA is using Starcraft in their business, I don't see how anyone could argue against that?
Internet cafes in Korea didn't feel like paying Steam for Counterstrike so they ripped off the game and made Sudden Attack instead.
I suggest KeSPA do the same with Starcraft seeing as they don't want to deal with Blizzard, and considering blatant ripping off a product is neither illegal or seems to be a big deal in Korea they can do that just fine, or am I wrong?
Your rant about my lust for pro-gamers is such inane that it isn't even worth comment about.
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On September 14 2009 19:58 motbob wrote:This quote chain is too long, let me start over. You seem to be making some very strange assumptions about what Blizzard wants to do. Taking power away from Kespa does NOT mean only giving broadcast rights to GOM. Taking away the monopoly currently in place in Korea does NOT mean that Blizzard is planning to kill MSL/OSL. Also, you said this: lol wtf? GOM will be doing business in Korea with Blizzard, that's the whole point of this drama!
First of all, I don't know why you think they want the broadcast rights, that's never gonna happen. I always figured they're in it for a slice of the profit. Esports is a homegrown industry made possible by years of continuous efforts, broadcast is the fruit of those efforts, it's what makes 2 stations and various internet stations possible. Taking that means taking everything.
And the korean government has Kespa's back. They know what's at stake here. If activisionBlizzard forces their hand, they'll give it a deathrole rating like AO or some such, making it near impossible to do real business there. Not to mention there won't be enough fans to support any type of leagues.
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I'll keep it simple. Fuck KeSPA!
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On September 14 2009 20:18 .risingdragoon wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2009 19:58 motbob wrote:This quote chain is too long, let me start over. You seem to be making some very strange assumptions about what Blizzard wants to do. Taking power away from Kespa does NOT mean only giving broadcast rights to GOM. Taking away the monopoly currently in place in Korea does NOT mean that Blizzard is planning to kill MSL/OSL. Also, you said this: Yeah, and Blizzard won't be doing any business in Korea. lol wtf? GOM will be doing business in Korea with Blizzard, that's the whole point of this drama! And the korean government has Kespa's back. They know what's at stake here. If activisionBlizzard forces their hand, they'll give it a deathrole rating like AO or some such, making it near impossible to do real business there. Not to mention there won't be enough fans to support any type of leagues.
The nuclear option, eh? I hadn't thought of that... depressing 
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