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bEsT[Alive]
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Smurfette
Guam15 Posts
On August 03 2009 10:18 MasonBob wrote: i believe my last post was grossly misunderstood what i meant by beating on acidic pirate about the lynching of inactives was how often in any past games has that ever killed a mafia and not a townie i just tacked on the post about some folks not having access as a stupid method to back up the faulty logic inherent in lynching inactives in an invite game we need to find someone that can do good behavioral analysis to take care of finding someone out as everyone has pointed out that first day clues are useless to try to analyze and pin to a mafia thus behavioral has a higher chance as for role claiming to anyone it stands a chance if you would role claim to a mafia like what has happened to qatol in previous games allowing the mafia to vote off stronger or blue players instead of the townies the whole rushing to lynch inactives nonsense seems to stem from the same players that played in pyrs last game which got them nowhere and inevitably lost town the game those that bother to post a bunch could still be anyone even with chances being higher for behavioral analysis but if no one plans to play the same as they have on main accounts it wont matter much I usually find that lynching an inactive is more of a threat so that inactive players post more. It forces mafia to come out of the woodwork, per se. If we make it practice to lynch those who are outspoken, the mafia can simply hide until the clues start pointing heavily to them. Therefore, a day 1 inactive lynch is perfectly logical. However, with some of the new issues that have risen, I have reason to believe there are better lynch targets for the day. There's at least another 24 hours, how is that inactive list looking? | ||
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Acidic Pirate
United States38 Posts
Additionally, mafia can roll call Veteran. Especially the Godfather, who can roleplay Veteran - he is immune from DT checks. If a DT checks him, he'll turn out Veteran. Great, by following your plan, we potentially have the Godfather in the circle of trusted townies, exchanging PMs and being able to influence lynching decisions. You don't even tell us the details of the plan, but for us to blindly follow you because you have a "loophole"? Are you kidding me? Asking for the town to follow such a ridiculous and risky plan early on isn't just myopic, it's dangerous. So hopefully you're just a deluded townsperson who's legitimately trying to help. I'd much prefer that over a mafia trying to spread confusion early on and reveal who the Veterans are. ... Seriously, either come up with a good plan that makes sense or don't try to force a bad one on us at all. You're doing nothing but hurting the town. | ||
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glugluk
Qatar27 Posts
On August 03 2009 13:47 Acidic Pirate wrote: I think following a "plan" this early is just foolish, especially if not all of the details of the plan are even revealed yet. Seriously: the plan we have so far is just stupid. We're letting the mafia know who TWO of the blue players are? Are you kidding me? That's just stupid. Asking Veterans to roll call is just asking for town to lose. Additionally, mafia can roll call Veteran. Especially the Godfather, who can roleplay Veteran - he is immune from DT checks. If a DT checks him, he'll turn out Veteran. Great, by following your plan, we potentially have the Godfather in the circle of trusted townies, exchanging PMs and being able to influence lynching decisions. You don't even tell us the details of the plan, but for us to blindly follow you because you have a "loophole"? Are you kidding me? Asking for the town to follow such a ridiculous and risky plan early on isn't just myopic, it's dangerous. So hopefully you're just a deluded townsperson who's legitimately trying to help. I'd much prefer that over a mafia trying to spread confusion early on and reveal who the Veterans are. ... Seriously, either come up with a good plan that makes sense or don't try to force a bad one on us at all. You're doing nothing but hurting the town. This is the reason why you didn't make the plan. Your description does not describe what happens under the plan. So if nobody wants to follow, lets get this out there. I am a veteran. Theres no reason why the other one shouldn't claim now. If you don't claim, you just gave up a blue for no reason. If you do claim, we have something to work with. I never said there was a loophole. I said this plan is NOT because of a loophole. I hope YOU are a paranoid townsperson who is doing his job rather than a mafia who is afraid of getting a town structure set up. | ||
Empyrean
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Smurfette
Guam15 Posts
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Smurfette
Guam15 Posts
Current inactivity list (players who have not posted in the main thread): MafiaAreJerks mOceaNu OneSnakeOnATrain lucia PsYchOFisH blanket StoneForest | ||
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Acidic Pirate
United States38 Posts
For example, blanket did nothing but post to abstain in the voting thread =/ | ||
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Acidic Pirate
United States38 Posts
The problem is, though, that there is the potential for Godfather to roleclaim Veteran, and there is literally no way, if more than the requisite number of "Veterans" show up, for us to know who the Godfather is besides (at the moment) very tenuous clues - hell, the clues might not even have gotten to point at the Godfather yet :/....also, the Godfather has the potential to worm his way into trusted town conversations - probably game ending right there. Any detective would just see Veteran, so there's no help there. So, basically by following your plan, we give away the names of our Veterans? While I agree that we do need to set up some sort of structure (and, alas, I don't have a good suggestion yet  ), it has to be safer than the one you suggested.Anyway, I'm headed to sleep right now, I'll check back in the morning. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
. I'll probably extend the day 24 hours unless none of them want me to do so. | ||
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lucia
Bulgaria13 Posts
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LayOffRage
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I am a vet. | ||
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LayOffRage
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glugluk
Qatar27 Posts
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Azura
36 Posts
On August 03 2009 14:19 glugluk wrote: I am a veteran. Theres no reason why the other one shouldn't claim now. If you don't claim, you just gave up a blue for no reason. If you do claim, we have something to work with. Um, how does you roleclaiming put the blame on whoever the other person is for giving up a blue? This makes no sense at all... And now even after several townies voiced doubts about the plan we have LayOffRage claiming in the thread because of this post... even after he called the plan retarded (SO WHY GO ALONG WITH IT?) Now our dt's will probably have to rc you idiots that claimed, which will turn up a result that is not entirely verifiable, instead of RCing either suspicious or trustworthy players. Having the names of the names of the vets in public only benefits us if we can get enough true information to the vets such that it is necessary for the mafia to waste kp and kill the veterans. At this point, when we cannot even tell a real veteran from a fake one for at least 1-2 game days, having the names of the veterans be public simply tells the mafia where not to waste their kp. And of course you are posting all this shit when we should be figuring out as a town who we want to lynch on Day 1. Right now the votes are a mess. | ||
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lucia
Bulgaria13 Posts
As Azura and others have said the Vet plan is a very anti-town move. It gives the Mafia too much information and allows them to scratch a few targets off their killing list. It also wastes time as the DTs do not need to be rolechecking them because one of them could be the Godfather and we would just be playing into the Mafia's hands. Lastly, there is no point in trying to form any kind of invincible confirmed players - the rules of this game clearly make that a hassle. Anyone going along with this plan is clearly anti-town at the moment. Detectives should role check anyone favoring this plan and those who have been clearly against the people opposing this plan. | ||
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Azura
36 Posts
We need to discuss lynch targets. I find the following players to be particularly lynchable: glugluk upeth SatouxKisei ReporterSmurf | ||
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lucia
Bulgaria13 Posts
Also something I'm not sure was pointed out is that this "Vet Plan" actually ties the Detectives up. Even if the Mafia do not send forth their Godfather we will be spending time looking at people we kind of already know as legit while the actual bad guys are free to act until it's over. | ||
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Azura
36 Posts
I think I mentioned the tying up of the dts in my post. LayOffRage is interesting... he made a good first impression, I think, but now his play is surely weird - note this quote: On August 03 2009 07:59 LayOffRage wrote:Now if a medic actually does protect someone who gets hit, you fucking role call that person. Start some conversation. I find its always good to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Two is usually better, I have only seen one situation where someone ended up talking to two mafias. So talk to people however you want. Don't reveal your role under any circumstance except with the aforementioned situation. A medic correctly protecting is rare anyway, if it actually happens jump on it. Yeah its not 100% but its as damn close as your going to get. emphasis mine. He needs to do some explaining here. And i'd like to hear others' opinions | ||
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Roflsupplecakes
Korea (South)15 Posts
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