Intro*: Mafia is an educated guessing game of epic proportions. The objective of the game is to lynch or kill all mafia members before they outnumber the rest of the town, each day will reveal clues pointing to such individuals allowing the town to analyze them and point fingers all they want. It's much like a game of poker because mafia members are also part of the town during the day and may manipulate the vote to their liking.
This mafia game works slightly different than the normal one (read: Mafia), so I'll explain it a bit more. During the night mafia will collectively decide on and send in their hits to me, who they want dead (it's a good idea to discuss them during day so you know ahead of time). Any player with a special role that can act during the night must PM me their actions each and every night.
During the day you will see the bloody death of many of your friends with a handful of clues left behind. Clues can be taken from anywhere, so long as I see it relating to the person they are intended for. This means names, sigs, profiles, things related to names, etc. The whole town, including the mafia, will meet and discuss this turn of events and everyone will vote for who they want lynched that day.
If the mafia at any time outnumber the townspeople, they win the game. The goal for the townspeople is to lynch all the members of the mafia by interpreting clues and voting for them during the day. The goal of the mafia, of course, is to kill the townspeople with murderous precision.
The game is typically very active and there are usually numerous walls of text to wade through. If you are not a person who likes reading then I highly suggest you don't play the game because it is essential to being informed within the game. I will not compensate for ignorance.
Rules: (they are all subject to change before the start of the game!)
Cheating: Cheating includes (but is not limited to) the following and will get you banned from future games: 1. Using your original accout or another smurf account beyond the one you are playing with to play/post in this thread once the game has begun. Players are getting very sick of this. Don't do it to have two characters in the game. Don't do it to post/PM anonymously. Don't do it for anything. 2. Posting after death. One polite goodbye post is acceptable but please do not post anything which could POSSIBLY affect the game. 3. Betraying your role and ruining the game for everyone by doing something like hand out your mafia's member list to the town. 4. Logging on to someone else's account / checking their PMs / looking over someone's shoulder to get their role. 5. Comparing role PM times to determine roles. 6. Posting screenshots of your inbox. This is not a photoshop competition. 7. Changing your profile / sig / possible clue material after the game begins, whether you are mafia or not. You'll be caught and just look more suspicious anyway. 8. Revealing your regular account name to people in the game. Even if you are dead, don't say who you are until after the game is over. 9. Posting any PM you receive from a host.
Voting rules: 1. You must post your vote in the Vote Thread (which will be in a separate thread in the mafia forum). Do not PM or IM it to me. 2. You must clearly declare your vote ie: "I vote to lynch Chuiu". 3. You can not autochange your vote to the losing or winning bandwagon. 4. You cannot vote for yourself or anyone dead or outside the game. 5. In the event of a tie the person with the most votes first wins over the other person. 6. You may abstain, but must let me know: ie: "I abstain from voting".
Modkills: Inactivity has been a problem in every mafia game so far. I have been asked by you (the players) to institute a system of modkilling. It works as such: players are allowed to safely miss the lynch vote(s) (fail to either vote or abstain) for one day over the course of the game. If you fail to vote on a second day, I will use my discretion about modkilling you based on how active you have been and any excuses you might have. If you miss three days' votes, you will be immediately modkilled. Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping I never have to modkill anyone. Please remain active so I do not have to. After each missed vote, I will send you a PM reminding you to be active. If you do not believe you can maintain the required level of activity, please PM me before the game begins.
Signups: Signups are invite-only for this game. If you were not invited and think you would be a good candidate, please PM Pyrrhuloxia.
Clues: Remember what clues are based off of: If you don't have much information in your profile for me to access then don't blame me if people easily find out who you are by my clues.
Time Cycle: I will try to adhere to a strict 48 hour day 24 hour night game cycle. More details later.
Smurfing: Please make a smurf account for this game and only use it in the threads for this game, once the game has begun.
When you've made a smurf account, PM me with your smurf account name and usual account name. PM Plexa as well so he can give you mafia forum access (you can tell Plexa your smurf account name since he's not playing).
IMPORTANT: Please add the following to your smurf account: - a profile picture - a quote with the author of the quote named - at some text plus whatever else you want in your public profile page
Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over. It defeats the purpose and fun of this smurf mechanic. This includes mafia, please don't reveal your real IDs to each other. If you've already told someone what mafia smurf you wanted to make, please make something different.
Credits: Chuiu, Ace, Tracil, Caller, BloodyC0bbler, Qatol, LTT, and Plexa for taking the time to run mafia games for us.
The balance crew (you know who you are) for helping me to make this setup reasonably balanced.
READ THIS SECTION! Some roles have changed since when you have read their descriptions last. Please make yourselves familiar with this section.
Roles (you will randomly be given a role via PM once the game starts!)
The Town:
Towny - You may just be a normal player but you are the backbone of the town. Your goal, with the special roles of the town, is to help bring the Mafia to justice. You get no special powers but the ability to vote during day. Blue Roles may look pretty but the real power lies with you!
Detective - You may ask if a specific clue points to a specific person or if a specific sentence is a clue and receive a yes or no answer. You may also ask for the role of a specific player. You may only use one ability per night and you may only act at night. Both Clue Checks and Role Checks can be used an unlimited number of times. *Note* Clue Checks are the only way to confirm the Godfather.
Paramedic - You have the ability to prevent one hit on a player of your choice during the night. Each paramedic can only stop one hit and as such if the number of mafia is greater than the number of paramedics on a player then that player will die. You will know if you saved the person. The person will know if he was saved. And the town will know nothing of the event. If you are protecting a veteran, and they are hit, your ability supercedes theirs.
Vigilante - You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. A clue will be left behind just like a mafia killing pointing to you. If your hit overlaps with mafia or another vigilante then I will cancel it and they will kill the person instead. In the case of overlapping vigilantes, the hit that was sent first is the one that goes through. In both cases you will not know who caused your hit to be canceled and you will be able to use your hit anytime after that during the game. You can act any night you wish.
Veteran - You've been around the block a few times and know how to escape an attack on your life. But for how long? You have an additional night life, meaning you must be hit by two attackers to be killed. (much like having a paramedic watching over you, except you lose one life if you incur one attack). Given your unique status, your job is to network well, get vital information out to town, and make the mafia waste hits.
Miller - You are told that you are a townie, and you are. However, if a detective checks you, you will appear as mafia.
Double Lynch - Usable two times per game, the next day the town lynches two people instead of one. This means everyone gets two votes to distribute between two different people. The double lynch is elected by everyone. The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day. IE: If there are 40 players voting then the town needs 21 votes to use a double lynch. Double lynches may be used everyday.
The Mafia:
Mafia - Your goal is to eliminate everyone else in the town. Your ability, as a group, is killing off whomever you decide on at night and knowing the role of each other player in the mafia. You MAY kill other mafia. Mafia killing power is decided after signups are closed and will be shown next to the mafia count in the player count lists.
Godfather - The Godfather has the ability to decide what role he will appear to be when a Detective role checks him. It can be any role and must be chosen day one or he will default to towny role. After your role is chosen you may not change it after that, decisions are final for the whole game.[/QUOTE] The Mafia as a group will choose who the Godfather is before Day 1 ends. As long as the Godfather is alive, the mafia will have the ability to Cover one innocent player each day, making them appear as mafia to a detective check that night. The mafia may not cover the same player twice in a row.
An important feature of this game is that it is alignment reveal only upon death. Normally a death would reveal the exact role of the victim but in this game it will only show if they are innocent or mafia. Thus while the mafia count and therefore KP will be known, the status of the godfather and number of blues alive is uncertain.
REMINDER: DON'T POST PMS FROM ME IN THE THREAD. That said, I can't do much to control people breaking rules in PMs and the like so I'm posting example role pms anyway:
Mafia PM: Welcome to TL Mafia - Smurf Edition!
Your role is: Mafia
The Mafia team is: Pyrrhuloxia Song Byung Gu Juni Johnathan Taylor Thomas Go.Go Magikarp
The game begins with the Day 1 post; it should be up in less than an hour.
Innocent PM: Welcome to TL Mafia - Smurf Edition!
Your role is: Townie
The game begins with the Day 1 post; it should be up in less than an hour.
I had no access to teamliquid all day. I couldn't get on the site, some kinda DNS error. I'm now catching up to the forum but I'm down for this game too.
On July 29 2009 15:38 Plexa wrote: If you are worried about people multiaccounting (doesn't look like a problem tbh) let me know and i can run a ip check
I think someone still owe a public explanation about the matter. Not that it is such a big deal but we wont like this kind of things happening again.
On July 31 2009 02:53 Empyrean wrote: Oh quick question, since we know the list of smurfs and the list of accounts, could we somehow manage to speculate on who's who?
Also, after the game is over, the accounts will be revealed, right?
Don't think so, according to the OP
On July 29 2009 13:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over. It defeats the purpose and fun of this smurf mechanic. This includes mafia, please don't reveal your real IDs to each other.
Since he can't actually check our PMs I guess you can speculate through there, but that kind of defeats the purpose of smurfs =/
I kind of prefer not knowing at all until the game is over. In fact I was kind of disappointed that Pyrry posted the list of people playing since I thought it'd be interesting having no idea at all who's involved in the game.
On July 31 2009 03:57 Falcynn wrote: I kind of prefer not knowing at all until the game is over. In fact I was kind of disappointed that Pyrry posted the list of people playing since I thought it'd be interesting having no idea at all who's involved in the game.
The reasoning behind this was because Pyrr got help making the invite list from people who are playing. We figured it would be fairer to release the invite list to everyone so nobody gets an advantage from helping set up the game.
On July 31 2009 07:35 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: One thing Pyrr needs to be sure to do is randomize the smurf list, and not just take the list of players and replace their names
what i mean is that while my name is 9 on this list, it should not be 9 on the smurf list and nor should anyone elses name occupy the same slot
On July 31 2009 02:53 Empyrean wrote: Oh quick question, since we know the list of smurfs and the list of accounts, could we somehow manage to speculate on who's who?
Also, after the game is over, the accounts will be revealed, right?
Yes, after the game is entirely over, the accounts will be revealed. However, not until then so people can't find out akas via process of elimination.
On July 31 2009 10:46 Showtime! wrote: Falcynn and I share the same sentiments.
I didn't want to know who signed up either. In my opinion it would be a lot more fun.
I will admit that i didn't know the "actual players" were going to be released before game end, but most people knew this was intended to be another vet game.
On July 31 2009 10:46 Showtime! wrote: Falcynn and I share the same sentiments.
I didn't want to know who signed up either. In my opinion it would be a lot more fun.
I will admit that i didn't know the "actual players" were going to be released before game end, but most people knew this was intended to be another vet game.
True, and Qatol's point makes a lot of sense as well.
On July 31 2009 02:53 Empyrean wrote: Oh quick question, since we know the list of smurfs and the list of accounts, could we somehow manage to speculate on who's who?
Also, after the game is over, the accounts will be revealed, right?
On July 29 2009 13:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over. It defeats the purpose and fun of this smurf mechanic. This includes mafia, please don't reveal your real IDs to each other.
Since he can't actually check our PMs I guess you can speculate through there, but that kind of defeats the purpose of smurfs =/
I kind of prefer not knowing at all until the game is over. In fact I was kind of disappointed that Pyrry posted the list of people playing since I thought it'd be interesting having no idea at all who's involved in the game.
Damn, I wasn't above getting with a few of my statistics buddies and making a simple software program that would take input text, compare it to other text, and with the magical powers of naive Bayes classifiers give me at least some insight as to who's who
...unless for some reason people change their posting habits for this game?
On July 31 2009 02:53 Empyrean wrote: Oh quick question, since we know the list of smurfs and the list of accounts, could we somehow manage to speculate on who's who?
Also, after the game is over, the accounts will be revealed, right?
Don't think so, according to the OP
On July 29 2009 13:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over. It defeats the purpose and fun of this smurf mechanic. This includes mafia, please don't reveal your real IDs to each other.
Since he can't actually check our PMs I guess you can speculate through there, but that kind of defeats the purpose of smurfs =/
I kind of prefer not knowing at all until the game is over. In fact I was kind of disappointed that Pyrry posted the list of people playing since I thought it'd be interesting having no idea at all who's involved in the game.
Damn, I wasn't above getting with a few of my statistics buddies and making a simple software program that would take input text, compare it to other text, and with the magical powers of naive Bayes classifiers give me at least some insight as to who's who
...unless for some reason people change their posting habits for this game?
lik wut if i startd 2 type lik dis lolololo
<_<
you're welcome to do that on your own and share the results with us when the game is over, it would be pretty cool ^_^
On July 31 2009 02:53 Empyrean wrote: Oh quick question, since we know the list of smurfs and the list of accounts, could we somehow manage to speculate on who's who?
Also, after the game is over, the accounts will be revealed, right?
Don't think so, according to the OP
On July 29 2009 13:47 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over. It defeats the purpose and fun of this smurf mechanic. This includes mafia, please don't reveal your real IDs to each other.
Since he can't actually check our PMs I guess you can speculate through there, but that kind of defeats the purpose of smurfs =/
I kind of prefer not knowing at all until the game is over. In fact I was kind of disappointed that Pyrry posted the list of people playing since I thought it'd be interesting having no idea at all who's involved in the game.
Damn, I wasn't above getting with a few of my statistics buddies and making a simple software program that would take input text, compare it to other text, and with the magical powers of naive Bayes classifiers give me at least some insight as to who's who
...unless for some reason people change their posting habits for this game?
lik wut if i startd 2 type lik dis lolololo
<_<
you're welcome to do that on your own and share the results with us when the game is over, it would be pretty cool ^_^
No incentive to anymore, since some people might've read my idea and will implement it while others won't. The techniques are no longer valid for this purpose :/
Also, that'd be cheating
I will refuse to speculate on people's identities
By the way, I didn't have access to the Mafia forum until today...just wondering why I was suddenly invited to a mafia game :O
Ok heading to bed now...it's almost three AM and I need to get up somewhat early.
I'm gonna try to start the game tomorrow at ~ 6 PM PDT, when I will send roles and then make the day post. If you have work to do on your smurf account, I've PMed you.
first smurf posting woot woot time to pretend I'm someone else! Golly gee I sure hate JeeJee! I think he's a terrible player!
EDIT: hmm that's not gonna work... I need an abrupt posting style that pisses everyone off so they don't listen to me even though I'm invariably right. Maybe next time.
On August 02 2009 00:52 Scaramanga wrote: imho you shouldnt have posted peoples main accounts in the thread but the smurft accounts
Qatol pointed out that Pyrry got help in organizing the invitations from a few people who will be playing, and thought that it wasn't fair that a select group had access to the main accounts while the rest of us didn't.
In any other circumstances though, I'd agree with you
Also, just throwing it out there now. I'm hesitant about doing another newspaper type thread for this new game as everyone will probably associate the poster of that thread with me. So if anyone would like to organize that instead of me I'll put down the basic template here...
(make sure to quote my post rather that copy/pasting it straight from the forum, so you can get all the code/tags that are added in) + Show Spoiler +
Last Updated Sat Aug 01 13:33 KST
(to update the time I just click the "Time" link at the top right of the TL page, and copy/paste the time from the TL.net Time section.)
Read the discussions section to get a quick idea of the latest news. Discussion section organized from most recent (top) to least recent (bottom).
Opening statement for your post here, random tid-bits of what you need help with/what you expect out of this/etc.
Also, to make the direct links the way I have them in the Liquigrad Gazeta! I just look, within the post I want to link, a word that could easily distinguish the post from other posts (mispelled words are best for this). Then in the search bar (make sure to click on "more options") I input the posters username into the appropriate section, and search for the easily distinguishable word. If it's a somewhat common word then you may get a few selections, but for the most part you should find it easily. Once you got it, just copy/paste the link. Quotes should be easy enough that you don't need me to explain it.
On August 02 2009 01:31 Falcynn wrote: Also, just throwing it out there now. I'm hesitant about doing another newspaper type thread for this new game as everyone will probably associate the poster of that thread with me. So if anyone would like to organize that instead of me I'll put down the basic template here...
(make sure to quote my post rather that copy/pasting it straight from the forum, so you can get all the code/tags that are added in) + Show Spoiler +
Last Updated Sat Aug 01 13:33 KST
(to update the time I just click the "Time" link at the top right of the TL page, and copy/paste the time from the TL.net Time section.)
Read the discussions section to get a quick idea of the latest news. Discussion section organized from most recent (top) to least recent (bottom).
Opening statement for your post here, random tid-bits of what you need help with/what you expect out of this/etc.
Also, to make the direct links the way I have them in the Liquigrad Gazeta! I just look, within the post I want to link, a word that could easily distinguish the post from other posts (mispelled words are best for this). Then in the search bar (make sure to click on "more options") I input the posters username into the appropriate section, and search for the easily distinguishable word. If it's a somewhat common word then you may get a few selections, but for the most part you should find it easily. Once you got it, just copy/paste the link. Quotes should be easy enough that you don't need me to explain it.
What you could do is continue to write your newspaper-type thread using your normal account, Falcynn. After all, everyone is already aware that you're participating in this game, so it shouldn't be traceable to your smurf account. I was going to compile my usual list of profile information as well for this game, and that was how I planned to post it once Pyrrh releases the list of smurf accounts. Of course, my job is easier because the profiles don't need to be continually updated, whereas your newspaper does, so you'd have to be careful not to mix up your accounts.
The alternative would be to send your analysis to Pyrrh every time to have him post it. But I think that might be somewhat much for him on top of managing the game and keeping track of people's accounts.
xD wow I'm slow. I didn't think of just making another newspaper with this account. Thank you.
Since all I'm doing is just organizing information/posts and not actually interjecting my own arguments, I guess it shouldn't be too much of a problem to do this. We'll have to see how Pyrry feels about it though.
On August 02 2009 02:00 Falcynn wrote: xD wow I'm slow. I didn't think of just making another newspaper with this account. Thank you.
Since all I'm doing is just organizing information/posts and not actually interjecting my own arguments, I guess it shouldn't be too much of a problem to do this. We'll have to see how Pyrry feels about it though.
I'd be highly surprised if he had a problem with it. Just be careful not to make the posts from your smurf account. It is far too easy to forget which account you're on and screw up.
On August 02 2009 02:00 Falcynn wrote: xD wow I'm slow. I didn't think of just making another newspaper with this account. Thank you.
Since all I'm doing is just organizing information/posts and not actually interjecting my own arguments, I guess it shouldn't be too much of a problem to do this. We'll have to see how Pyrry feels about it though.
The sun began to crawl up the eastern skyline of Smurf City to a chorus of sirens, both of the police car and ambulance variety.
Detective Pyrrhuloxia dragged his tired body into police headquarters at 5:00 AM sharp, and couldn't finish pouring himself a cup of coffee before he was forced to look at two murder report folders that were thrust into his hands: the folders, labeled Plexa and Bockit, were mostly empty.
"We're pretty sure the perpetrator or perpetrators are blue," the intern managed.
"Well, no shit, Sherlock, everyone in town is blue! It's a city of Smurfs!" yelled Pyrrhuloxia, now fuming. "If you won't do your job, I guess I'll have to get out there and investigate!"
But before he could leave the room, a red dot appeared on his forehead. A moment later, he was dead.
[end clues]
MAFIA: You need to tell me which one of you will be the godfather will be and what form they will take for the rest of the game by the end of Day 1. It will be randomly selected if you fail to do so.
All smurf accounts should have been PMed a role, PM me if you didn't get one.
Voting thread is open. You're voting on a lynch because there are no elected roles in this game.
I'll start adding important hyperlinks to make things easier.
<In Hinduism, the tilaka or tilak (Sanskrit: तिलक tilaka)[1] is a mark worn on the forehead and other parts of the body. Tilaka may be worn on a daily basis or for special religious occasions only, depending on different customs.>
Well, the killer last night seems like a ghost. And the closest thing we have to a ghost is Sacrifice (his name and his profile). So I'm voting Sacrifice in the absence of other stuff to go on.
we have 48 hours. there is plenty of time to abstain and come up with a better suspect. Everyone should post, otherwise picking randomly from a list of inactives sounds perfectly fine with me.
On August 02 2009 12:14 bEsT[Alive] wrote: The red dot could pertain to Indian culture. Look at Spoonman's profile.
This line of clue analysis will get us nowhere. If Pyrr is doing clues anything like Plexa, he's going to make a character out of each mafia's profile and have that character kill people. The red dot being related to India doesn't follow that type of clue analysis at all.
Town made that mistake big time in Pyrr's last game. You can't just say that there's some element in a hit that corresponds with something in a suspect's profile. You have to follow the thought process of forming a character that's derived from a suspect's profile.
The clues change from game to game. motbob asked for some clue interpretation and I gave it to him. It is what it is. A red dot can correspond to make things, i.e. sniper rifles and Native/Hindu markings.
There is no Mayor this game. We have to be more lenient.
If you want to mix things up start calling out certain players and we'll see where that takes us.
First of all everybody knows this is going to be hard, and i believe the start is more likely to be a random event. I know at least two people tried to push the red dot clue against me but i think most of the decent players will recognize that more than sketchy its a bad clue to bet on because red dots can point to a lot of things. I want to know how you came up to the red dot in hand = indian since googling for indian culture is not likely to return red dot as result. For now im bolding the things that i see as clues but i dont think there are more than 2/3 clues today.
The sun began to crawl up the eastern skyline of Smurf City to a chorus of sirens, both of the police car and ambulance variety. This is a very unorthodox way to say the sun was raising. Could point to something relevant like: lack of sea or mountains near the city, or plains.
Detective Pyrrhuloxia dragged his tired body into police headquarters at 5:00 AM sharp, and couldn't finish pouring himself a cup of coffee before he was forced to look at two murder report folders that were thrust into his hands: the folders, labeled Plexa and Bockit, were mostly empty.
"We're pretty sure the perpetrator or perpetrators are blue," the intern managed.
"Well, no shit, Sherlock, everyone in town is blue! It's a city of Smurfs!" yelled Pyrrhuloxia, now fuming. "If you won't do your job, I guess I'll have to get out there and investigate!" This phrase seems a little forced but i have trouble getting something from it.
But before he could leave the room, a red dot appeared on his forehead. A moment later, he was dead. As I see this day, the recurring theme is "the red dot" (that at first sight is related to a sniper weapon) and the fact that Pyrrhuloxia came "at 5:00 AM sharp". Both link really well not to sniper or indian but to accuracy and precision. I will review the profiles and watch for something related to that theme.
People seriously need to stop trying to analyze day 1 clues. It's never going to be THAT easy. All successful clue analysis has come from day 3 clues, linking the clues there to earlier clues.
The people inventing weak links to create suspects are either mafia handing out accusations or stupid townies.
Lynching an inactive would be so much more helpful than trying to use day 1 clues.
On August 02 2009 15:50 bEsT[Alive] wrote: thatismanycharacters and PowerOverwhelming. Stop taking goofballs.
Your contributions thus far have told us one thing: your words are as empty as Mariah Carey. Balls. Very tiny balls. You have two options:
1) Contribute
2) or, get the fuck out.
Immaterial has become material.
Smurfs counting their eggs before they hatch. Got to love it.
Happy hunting.
What the hell is wrong with you? I was trying to talk about clue analysis, which last I heard is pretty damn useful to the town. I already hate you and you've only made 4 posts, good job. Fortunately the people I hate always turn out to be town, so, yeah.
A song by Meatloaf comes to mind. It starts off with the following lyrics, "Cry baby Cry..."
To the naked eye, your posts have told us nothing of value. I would expect something like this from your live accounts. Cheerio! You told me everything I needed to know. Thank you for falling into my trap.
Now I can figure out who a few individuals are. If I haven't already done so that is.
"Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over."
O RLY? I thought Pyrrhuloxia was enlisting in the Fudge Paki EMS Squadron, but I guess I could be wrong. lol Satoux.
I haven't figured out Acidic Pirate yet. If you are confident in your behavioral analysis by all means, make your suspicions public to the rest of us. Perhaps you might want to provide a little explanation as well to make your accusation more concrete.
If Acidic Pirate was smart s/he would switch up their posting behavior to make it more difficult.
What the fuck is wrong with you lol. If this is some kind of mafia strategy, it's generally not advisable to use strats that can get you banned from TL.
You could use a backbone let alone a good sense of humor child.
Perhaps your eyes should take notice to my sig as well.
Do the math.
The Rules section should be revised. Like I said before, as we try to catch the Reds (Oh no! Another racial slur! Call the internet police!), it is only logical to subconsciously match the smurf names with their real names under a behavioral pretense. The smurf accounts are just a mask.
You cannot change a character's temperament. They will try to hide their bad habits as much as possible, but their true nature will leak out from time to time, Capiche?
On August 02 2009 16:59 bEsT[Alive] wrote: You cannot change a character's temperament. They will try to hide their bad habits as much as possible, but their true nature will leak out from time to time, Capiche?
Only to a certain extent. It's a bit easier to hide that sort of stuff behind plain text. Some of us have certain tells that might or might not slip, but I don't know if it's worth the time to speculate on identity when we should probably be figuring out who is and is not mafia.
On August 02 2009 16:06 thatismanycharacters wrote: Also let me point out that Sacrifice is inactive. So my vote stays where it is.
Inactive so soon? Just noticed that this had started, I'll be more active now. Those day 1 clues seem entirely useless to me for now. I guess we could look at them them again after day 2 and 3 clues.
Azura = google azura = first hit http://www.azura-retreats.com/ = Luxury eco-boutique Indian Ocean Island Hotel = Red dot on forehead = Indian? (this is based on pyyr's last game where on day 1 he used the first hit on google of a mafioso as a clue)
PowerOverwhelming = North Korea = Red Dot on forehead = nuke?
just throwing stuff out there. in case some clues match on days 2 and 3.
So day 1 clues are really weak so no point in reading to heavily into them and trying to determine a lynch by them.
I'd like lynching an inactive on one hand, but I'm of the opinion that we have a couple mafia amongst us already, in this retarded banter. Namely, bEsT[aLiVe].
Also, why the fuck are people associating the red dot with being INDIAN? There's a key word in the statement. It's APPEARED. So either you fail at logic, or reading comprehension. Pick your poison.
On August 02 2009 20:10 Detective Shinigata wrote: Azura = google azura = first hit http://www.azura-retreats.com/ = Luxury eco-boutique Indian Ocean Island Hotel = Red dot on forehead = Indian? (this is based on pyyr's last game where on day 1 he used the first hit on google of a mafioso as a clue)
PowerOverwhelming = North Korea = Red Dot on forehead = nuke?
just throwing stuff out there. in case some clues match on days 2 and 3.
If he was indian why would a red dot "appear" on his forehead? It's obvious it's some kind of a gun aiming lazer.
Okay. So we have unlimited role checks. That's good. Mafia can "frame" a townie(should be called this, not cover) every night. That's bad. Godfather can appear as anything he wants to. That's bad as well.
Basically, role checks in general cannot be trusted, at least alone. Millers appear as red, Godfather fan frame/cover people, and he himself can still appear as whatever he wants to. DTs still should R/C almost every night, clue checking pretty much only when we need the godfather... Or if there's a really certain clue about someone who was R/C'd to be town. Vigilante should save his hit for a few days until we have a couple of good targets.
Right now, we need to establish a couple of things. First off, what role is the Godfather most likely to appear as and what would benefit him the most? Townie would be the normal, safe choice, but what are the chances that he would appear as, say, a DT or a Medic?
Second, we might have to compose some kind of a medic list for the Medics, although that's not really that high of a priority because this is a vet game and the medics should be reasonably experienced.
And lastly, what are our plans for getting a confirmed townie? Mafia is able to hit themselves in this game, so medic block confirmation doesn't work. Actually, I doubt they'd hit themselves with only 3 KP available to them, so scratch that. Medic block can be considered almost a 100% confimation. Vigilante hit and connecting clues is the obvious choice, but that shouldn't be done until later, when we have enough targets to that a vigi hit would be useful. We also can't confirm the amount of blue roles, only the amount of Mafia, so the benefits aren't as high as they normally would. The confirmed townie would still be useful for acting as a mouth for the DT's, for instance.
Town also needs to decide who to lynch today. Together. 2 votes per person leads into nothing but mafia lynching a townie, a contributing one in the worst case. I believe that we should lynch an inactive for now. Although if someone is extremely wrong, misleading and annoying, it's possible that he could be a mafia. For now I'm leaning on a random inactive. Discuss.
So far Day 1 clues have been why too obvious and mafia is panicing. They had to use almost half of its member to get people to stop looking at the clues. Fortunately, Sacrifice was able to make a long post to distract the town away from the clues. The red dot clue has been getting a lot of attention as mafia fake argue with each other and laugh about it secretly to themselves.
But the greatest news is that Dontlynchmeplease didn't say one word to me about lynching him and no one even laughed. It seems no one even cares. So in that case I am going to change my vote to Detective Shinigata. Isn't it obvious that he is not as well known as Sherlock?
This has been news from the most unbias smurf news organization. Thank you reading and have a great lynch!
On August 03 2009 00:34 upeth wrote: Hi, just checking in for now. The town is getting pretty worked up over trying to clue analyze the Day 1 post, though. Day 1 clues are always vague, and this one gives us almost nothing to work with. I'd stick with lynching an inactive player too.
On August 03 2009 00:49 Smurfette wrote: I am not entirely sure what to think. In a game of experienced players, I am very surprised to see the emphasis of Day 1 clues. This could be a result of not having an election to participate in, leaving nothing else up for speculation, but I see no use in finger pointing and arguing on the first day.
Smurfette checking in. I encourage everyone to be as active as possible, since it will be easier to single out potential mafia members or at least the inactive players.
On August 03 2009 00:49 Smurfette wrote: I am not entirely sure what to think. In a game of experienced players, I am very surprised to see the emphasis of Day 1 clues. This could be a result of not having an election to participate in, leaving nothing else up for speculation, but I see no use in finger pointing and arguing on the first day.
Smurfette checking in. I encourage everyone to be as active as possible, since it will be easier to single out potential mafia members or at least the inactive players.
Eh, same. I suck at clues so on the first day there really isn't much for me to do.
Ordinarily I'd try to help get whoever I felt was the best candidate for mayor elected. Although as there's no mayor this game, the only thing to do is discuss clues. In other games we could probably make decent accusations based on how people are running/how people support the candidates, but just working with clues on the first day seems a bit difficult =/
Pretty much everyone else has already figured out what I was going to say anyways, so there's not much for me to do. I promise I'll be more active after this day though.
On August 03 2009 01:20 Uch3k wrote: Good morning fellow townspeople!
After a night of slumber it is finally time for me to leave my first mark here in the thread. I ask thee, off the inactivity list I must go! For now that I am no longer dreaming, I can only seek to help find the mafia, as nothing but a green townie can hope to do.
SatouxKisei, does it matter that people responded after you called them out for inactivity? The game has just started. Surely there are people who have busy lives, unable to check the status of the town as much as some of us. As this is the beginning of the game we must wait for everyone to be given the chance to post. Then we must make our decisions on who to kill. Haste makes waste even if you do taste the cake!
As was previously mentioned by our fellow Smurfette, it is nonetheless suprising to see the emphasis on Day 1 clues. Can we attribute this to lack of elected officials, thus putting the town in an awkward situation of colloquialism? I think so. Clues are very handy, but only in the right hands.
We must be careful not to tread too far into deep waters, less we drown. It is right now I am going to refer back to Sacrifice's post, as he advises us on how to stay in the shallow waters:
What role is the GF most likely to take? Townie? Vet? Unless the infected among us have some scheme, the GF is probably going to appear as a townie.
Should we compose a medic list? As I am but a green townie, there is no reason for me to be on it. A list should certainly be generated, as the are already plenty of actives who are contributing.
What's the plan for getting a confirmed innocent? Any thoughts here would greatly help the town.
Hi, just checking in for now. The town is getting pretty worked up over trying to clue analyze the Day 1 post, though. Day 1 clues are always vague, and this one gives us almost nothing to work with. I'd stick with lynching an inactive player too.
I am not entirely sure what to think. In a game of experienced players, I am very surprised to see the emphasis of Day 1 clues. This could be a result of not having an election to participate in, leaving nothing else up for speculation, but I see no use in finger pointing and arguing on the first day.
Smurfette checking in. I encourage everyone to be as active as possible, since it will be easier to single out potential mafia members or at least the inactive players.
On August 03 2009 00:49 Smurfette wrote: I am not entirely sure what to think. In a game of experienced players, I am very surprised to see the emphasis of Day 1 clues. This could be a result of not having an election to participate in, leaving nothing else up for speculation, but I see no use in finger pointing and arguing on the first day.
Smurfette checking in. I encourage everyone to be as active as possible, since it will be easier to single out potential mafia members or at least the inactive players.
Eh, same. I suck at clues so on the first day there really isn't much for me to do.
Ordinarily I'd try to help get whoever I felt was the best candidate for mayor elected. Although as there's no mayor this game, the only thing to do is discuss clues. In other games we could probably make decent accusations based on how people are running/how people support the candidates, but just working with clues on the first day seems a bit difficult =/
Pretty much everyone else has already figured out what I was going to say anyways, so there's not much for me to do. I promise I'll be more active after this day though.
After a night of slumber it is finally time for me to leave my first mark here in the thread. I ask thee, off the inactivity list I must go! For now that I am no longer dreaming, I can only seek to help find the mafia, as nothing but a green townie can hope to do.
SatouxKisei, does it matter that people responded after you called them out for inactivity? The game has just started. Surely there are people who have busy lives, unable to check the status of the town as much as some of us. As this is the beginning of the game we must wait for everyone to be given the chance to post. Then we must make our decisions on who to kill. Haste makes waste even if you do taste the cake!
As was previously mentioned by our fellow Smurfette, it is nonetheless suprising to see the emphasis on Day 1 clues. Can we attribute this to lack of elected officials, thus putting the town in an awkward situation of colloquialism? I think so. Clues are very handy, but only in the right hands.
We must be careful not to tread too far into deep waters, less we drown. It is right now I am going to refer back to Sacrifice's post, as he advises us on how to stay in the shallow waters:
What role is the GF most likely to take? Townie? Vet? Unless the infected among us have some scheme, the GF is probably going to appear as a townie.
Should we compose a medic list? As I am but a green townie, there is no reason for me to be on it. A list should certainly be generated, as the are already plenty of actives who are contributing.
What's the plan for getting a confirmed innocent? Any thoughts here would greatly help the town.
SatouxKisei, does it matter that people responded after you called them out for inactivity? The game has just started. Surely there are people who have busy lives, unable to check the status of the town as much as some of us. As this is the beginning of the game we must wait for everyone to be given the chance to post. Then we must make our decisions on who to kill. Haste makes waste even if you do taste the cake!
it is merely an activity incentive for a few and a reference for future accusations and or behavioral analysis. I have not accused anyone, yet.
It is important to come up with a list of suspects, however.
On August 02 2009 20:10 Detective Shinigata wrote: Azura = google azura = first hit http://www.azura-retreats.com/ = Luxury eco-boutique Indian Ocean Island Hotel = Red dot on forehead = Indian? (this is based on pyyr's last game where on day 1 he used the first hit on google of a mafioso as a clue)
Not that it even matters because this line of thinking is utterly retarded, but the first google result for Azura is the entry in the Elder Scrolls wiki for the goddess Azura. Don't spread lies, thanks.
SatouxKisei, does it matter that people responded after you called them out for inactivity? The game has just started. Surely there are people who have busy lives, unable to check the status of the town as much as some of us. As this is the beginning of the game we must wait for everyone to be given the chance to post. Then we must make our decisions on who to kill. Haste makes waste even if you do taste the cake!
it is merely an activity incentive for a few and a reference for future accusations and or behavioral analysis. I have not accused anyone, yet.
It is important to come up with a list of suspects, however.
Is a vote, particularly for OneSnakeOnATrain, not an accusation in itself?
I specified it was a random vote, to reinforce to the mafia if they stay inactive they may be lynched. No, i wouldn't agree it's an accusation of any sort, I plan to change my vote.
On August 02 2009 21:12 Sacrifice wrote: Okay. So we have unlimited role checks. That's good. Mafia can "frame" a townie(should be called this, not cover) every night. That's bad. Godfather can appear as anything he wants to. That's bad as well.
Basically, role checks in general cannot be trusted, at least alone. Millers appear as red, Godfather fan frame/cover people, and he himself can still appear as whatever he wants to. DTs still should R/C almost every night, clue checking pretty much only when we need the godfather... Or if there's a really certain clue about someone who was R/C'd to be town. Vigilante should save his hit for a few days until we have a couple of good targets.
Right now, we need to establish a couple of things. First off, what role is the Godfather most likely to appear as and what would benefit him the most? Townie would be the normal, safe choice, but what are the chances that he would appear as, say, a DT or a Medic?
Second, we might have to compose some kind of a medic list for the Medics, although that's not really that high of a priority because this is a vet game and the medics should be reasonably experienced.
And lastly, what are our plans for getting a confirmed townie? Mafia is able to hit themselves in this game, so medic block confirmation doesn't work. Actually, I doubt they'd hit themselves with only 3 KP available to them, so scratch that. Medic block can be considered almost a 100% confimation. Vigilante hit and connecting clues is the obvious choice, but that shouldn't be done until later, when we have enough targets to that a vigi hit would be useful. We also can't confirm the amount of blue roles, only the amount of Mafia, so the benefits aren't as high as they normally would. The confirmed townie would still be useful for acting as a mouth for the DT's, for instance.
Yeah, i think the lack of mayor combined with the "inaccuracy" of rolechecks this game could be part of the reason why the kp is a bit lower. I think the only reason the GF would cover himself as DT would be to lure out other DT's into checking him, and then get them killed. Posing as a medic doesn't seem to offer any such incentive, at least that I can think of, because he wouldn't be able to effectively pretend to use the role. I guess if a DT checked him and he popped up medic, the gf might be able to catch the dt. GF has to play a lot smarter to stay undercover as a blue though, so I guess it depends on whether the mafia wants to play it safe or not.
The vigi hit clue is really the only way I can think of for confirming a townie as well. Still, that sort of strategy comes with the problems of drawing the medic protection away from other players, and I doubt there are any more than 2 medics this round.
The sun began to crawl up the eastern skyline of Smurf City to a chorus of sirens, both of the police car and ambulance variety.
The story takes place after Pyrrhuloxia's death when the sun is coming up. crawling is an unusual word for describing the sun's movement.
Detective Pyrrhuloxia dragged his tired body into police headquarters at 5:00 AM sharp, and couldn't finish pouring himself a cup of coffee before he was forced to look at two murder report folders that were thrust into his hands: the folders, labeled Plexa and Bockit, were mostly empty.
Now the flashback happens which explains why its 5:00 AM - where the sun probably isn't up yet. As you can see there was a police car in the previous scene. I guess other police officers don't get up as early as Pyrrhuloxia - he must have been really disciplined. Or perhaps they are in headquarters but weren't mentioned.
"We're pretty sure the perpetrator or perpetrators are blue," the intern managed.
I wonder how many are working on the case and if one of them is mafia.
"Well, no shit, Sherlock, everyone in town is blue! It's a city of Smurfs!" yelled Pyrrhuloxia, now fuming. "If you won't do your job, I guess I'll have to get out there and investigate!"
hmm, Sherlock... could that mean the intern is..ah nah
But before he could leave the room, a red dot appeared on his forehead. A moment later, he was dead.
Usually when a red dot appears on someone's head and then a moment later they die, it usually means they were either sniped or kill with a laser pistol. omg Pyrrhuloxia died right when he was about to go investigate the scene! Sounds fishy. By why would mafia give him the folders? So maybe it is a sniper who has night vision. But then again, we didn't hear any glass break..
A quick note to the abstainers in the voting thread:
Abstaining does nothing for the town. If anything, vote for an inactive townie. He's either an inactive townie, in which case his death wouldn't mean much for us anyway, or he's mafia, in which case we have our first little victory. Besides, by voting for different people, you can see their reactions and use them to try and figure out whether or not a person is mafia or not.
So stop abstaining, and starting voting for people, if nothing else than to see their reaction.
:/
And it's not like by abstaining no one's going to die. Yes, someone is going to die anyway, so abstaining really does nothing. At the earliest stages of the game, we need all the intelligence we can get, and behavioral clues/analysis helps us determine who the mafia are.
I'm going to wait another day until I label anyone as "inactive". Or at least until the game has lasted a full day. I intend on voting later in the day.
On August 02 2009 21:12 Sacrifice wrote: Okay. So we have unlimited role checks. That's good. Mafia can "frame" a townie(should be called this, not cover) every night. That's bad. Godfather can appear as anything he wants to. That's bad as well.
Basically, role checks in general cannot be trusted, at least alone. Millers appear as red, Godfather fan frame/cover people, and he himself can still appear as whatever he wants to. DTs still should R/C almost every night, clue checking pretty much only when we need the godfather... Or if there's a really certain clue about someone who was R/C'd to be town. Vigilante should save his hit for a few days until we have a couple of good targets.
Right now, we need to establish a couple of things. First off, what role is the Godfather most likely to appear as and what would benefit him the most? Townie would be the normal, safe choice, but what are the chances that he would appear as, say, a DT or a Medic?
Second, we might have to compose some kind of a medic list for the Medics, although that's not really that high of a priority because this is a vet game and the medics should be reasonably experienced.
And lastly, what are our plans for getting a confirmed townie? Mafia is able to hit themselves in this game, so medic block confirmation doesn't work. Actually, I doubt they'd hit themselves with only 3 KP available to them, so scratch that. Medic block can be considered almost a 100% confimation. Vigilante hit and connecting clues is the obvious choice, but that shouldn't be done until later, when we have enough targets to that a vigi hit would be useful. We also can't confirm the amount of blue roles, only the amount of Mafia, so the benefits aren't as high as they normally would. The confirmed townie would still be useful for acting as a mouth for the DT's, for instance.
Yeah, i think the lack of mayor combined with the "inaccuracy" of rolechecks this game could be part of the reason why the kp is a bit lower. I think the only reason the GF would cover himself as DT would be to lure out other DT's into checking him, and then get them killed. Posing as a medic doesn't seem to offer any such incentive, at least that I can think of, because he wouldn't be able to effectively pretend to use the role. I guess if a DT checked him and he popped up medic, the gf might be able to catch the dt. GF has to play a lot smarter to stay undercover as a blue though, so I guess it depends on whether the mafia wants to play it safe or not.
The vigi hit clue is really the only way I can think of for confirming a townie as well. Still, that sort of strategy comes with the problems of drawing the medic protection away from other players, and I doubt there are any more than 2 medics this round.
There are tons of reasons to fake medic for the gf. Medics are (potentially) such a good role that the town would never lynch a real medic. Also, medics have sucked so much in the past that it would be ridiculously easy to fake.
In one game, even without being a gf, attackzerg managed to fake medic and delay his lynch for a day and get a circle of blues trusting him leading to a complete massacre.
So yes, the odds are that the mafia will choose medic for the gf because after a check, its so unlikely they'll die and its so easy to fake.
FYI: several smurf accounts have not been given mafia forum access by Plexa yet, so take that into account with your activity concerns. I might have to extend the day due to this; I didn't realize some players weren't in yet until I started the game... .
On August 03 2009 04:43 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: FYI: several smurf accounts have not been given mafia forum access by Plexa yet, so take that into account with your activity concerns. I might have to extend the day due to this; I didn't realize some players weren't in yet until I started the game... .
On August 03 2009 02:04 Acidic Pirate wrote: A quick note to the abstainers in the voting thread:
Abstaining does nothing for the town. If anything, vote for an inactive townie. He's either an inactive townie, in which case his death wouldn't mean much for us anyway, or he's mafia, in which case we have our first little victory. Besides, by voting for different people, you can see their reactions and use them to try and figure out whether or not a person is mafia or not.
So stop abstaining, and starting voting for people, if nothing else than to see their reaction.
:/
And it's not like by abstaining no one's going to die. Yes, someone is going to die anyway, so abstaining really does nothing. At the earliest stages of the game, we need all the intelligence we can get, and behavioral clues/analysis helps us determine who the mafia are.
thx for the info that ur totally mafia and want help getting rid of townies through posting about inactives lucky for you pyr clarified that some people dont have access yet also we need someone else to be more obvious about being mafia like you so we can have a good start on the lynch wars
On August 03 2009 02:04 Acidic Pirate wrote: A quick note to the abstainers in the voting thread:
Abstaining does nothing for the town. If anything, vote for an inactive townie. He's either an inactive townie, in which case his death wouldn't mean much for us anyway, or he's mafia, in which case we have our first little victory. Besides, by voting for different people, you can see their reactions and use them to try and figure out whether or not a person is mafia or not.
So stop abstaining, and starting voting for people, if nothing else than to see their reaction.
:/
And it's not like by abstaining no one's going to die. Yes, someone is going to die anyway, so abstaining really does nothing. At the earliest stages of the game, we need all the intelligence we can get, and behavioral clues/analysis helps us determine who the mafia are.
thx for the info that ur totally mafia and want help getting rid of townies through posting about inactives lucky for you pyr clarified that some people dont have access yet also we need someone else to be more obvious about being mafia like you so we can have a good start on the lynch wars
SatouxKisei's post count is about to surpass SugiuraMidori's post count (nonsmurf). At this rate, SatouxKisei will be a marine in no time. Sat's post mostly contain one liners. Other than that he just posts smiley faces. Sat strongly opposes the inactives and wants them lynch right away. While others feel that the overly hyperactive individuals may need to be lynched instead.
This has been news from the most unbias and most undrivel smurf news organization. Thank you for reading and have fun posting!
34 of SatouxKisei's posts have been dug up. If anyone finds the lost posts please inform me by pm. This is urgent! If SatouxKisei dies, Falcynn would have been left to find all of these quotes. To Falcynn your welcome! + Show Spoiler +
On August 02 2009 07:10 SatouxKisei wrote: hi guys <3
On August 02 2009 09:21 SatouxKisei wrote: make that 1,2,3,4 in repeating order. Oh no.
But before he could leave the room, a red dot appeared on his forehead.
Cool weapon.
On August 02 2009 11:58 SatouxKisei wrote: we have 48 hours. there is plenty of time to abstain and come up with a better suspect. Everyone should post, otherwise picking randomly from a list of inactives sounds perfectly fine with me.
On August 02 2009 14:07 SatouxKisei wrote: Maybe it's the predator gun. That would be kickass.
On August 02 2009 14:08 SatouxKisei wrote: actually the predator aiming laser has 3 dots. =(
On August 02 2009 15:32 SatouxKisei wrote: ah. i merely pointed out a clue, in hopes it would reoccur in another day's post. <_<
On August 03 2009 00:34 upeth wrote: Hi, just checking in for now. The town is getting pretty worked up over trying to clue analyze the Day 1 post, though. Day 1 clues are always vague, and this one gives us almost nothing to work with. I'd stick with lynching an inactive player too.
On August 03 2009 00:49 Smurfette wrote: I am not entirely sure what to think. In a game of experienced players, I am very surprised to see the emphasis of Day 1 clues. This could be a result of not having an election to participate in, leaving nothing else up for speculation, but I see no use in finger pointing and arguing on the first day.
Smurfette checking in. I encourage everyone to be as active as possible, since it will be easier to single out potential mafia members or at least the inactive players.
On August 03 2009 00:49 Smurfette wrote: I am not entirely sure what to think. In a game of experienced players, I am very surprised to see the emphasis of Day 1 clues. This could be a result of not having an election to participate in, leaving nothing else up for speculation, but I see no use in finger pointing and arguing on the first day.
Smurfette checking in. I encourage everyone to be as active as possible, since it will be easier to single out potential mafia members or at least the inactive players.
Eh, same. I suck at clues so on the first day there really isn't much for me to do.
Ordinarily I'd try to help get whoever I felt was the best candidate for mayor elected. Although as there's no mayor this game, the only thing to do is discuss clues. In other games we could probably make decent accusations based on how people are running/how people support the candidates, but just working with clues on the first day seems a bit difficult =/
Pretty much everyone else has already figured out what I was going to say anyways, so there's not much for me to do. I promise I'll be more active after this day though.
On August 03 2009 01:20 Uch3k wrote: Good morning fellow townspeople!
After a night of slumber it is finally time for me to leave my first mark here in the thread. I ask thee, off the inactivity list I must go! For now that I am no longer dreaming, I can only seek to help find the mafia, as nothing but a green townie can hope to do.
SatouxKisei, does it matter that people responded after you called them out for inactivity? The game has just started. Surely there are people who have busy lives, unable to check the status of the town as much as some of us. As this is the beginning of the game we must wait for everyone to be given the chance to post. Then we must make our decisions on who to kill. Haste makes waste even if you do taste the cake!
As was previously mentioned by our fellow Smurfette, it is nonetheless suprising to see the emphasis on Day 1 clues. Can we attribute this to lack of elected officials, thus putting the town in an awkward situation of colloquialism? I think so. Clues are very handy, but only in the right hands.
We must be careful not to tread too far into deep waters, less we drown. It is right now I am going to refer back to Sacrifice's post, as he advises us on how to stay in the shallow waters:
What role is the GF most likely to take? Townie? Vet? Unless the infected among us have some scheme, the GF is probably going to appear as a townie.
Should we compose a medic list? As I am but a green townie, there is no reason for me to be on it. A list should certainly be generated, as the are already plenty of actives who are contributing.
What's the plan for getting a confirmed innocent? Any thoughts here would greatly help the town.
These are the questions we must seek to answer!
On August 03 2009 00:51 SatouxKisei wrote: Good. More inactives please post if you are town aligned!
On August 01 2009 18:59 Roflsupplecakes wrote: Whats wrong with this smurf, it's just something nony said one one of the tlattacks screw you malongo,
two people active prior to day post that have not posted yet. are you two, too busy picking out a godfather?
On August 03 2009 01:01 SatouxKisei wrote: It's okay. Post is just meant to promote activity(for now)- anyone who obliged is doing town a favor. thanks!
SatouxKisei, does it matter that people responded after you called them out for inactivity? The game has just started. Surely there are people who have busy lives, unable to check the status of the town as much as some of us. As this is the beginning of the game we must wait for everyone to be given the chance to post. Then we must make our decisions on who to kill. Haste makes waste even if you do taste the cake!
it is merely an activity incentive for a few and a reference for future accusations and or behavioral analysis. I have not accused anyone, yet.
It is important to come up with a list of suspects, however.
On August 03 2009 01:41 SatouxKisei wrote: I specified it was a random vote, to reinforce to the mafia if they stay inactive they may be lynched. No, i wouldn't agree it's an accusation of any sort, I plan to change my vote.
If anyone feels like adding race, country of origin, birthday, etc., that'd be appreciated.
but it's a smurf game.
also, can you spoiler ^that^ entire thing? :p
On August 03 2009 00:48 SatouxKisei wrote: #I vote for OneSnakeOnATrain Reason: random pick from inactive list.
On August 03 2009 05:02 SatouxKisei wrote: ...why?
In Smurf Town News Thread:
On August 03 2009 00:53 SatouxKisei wrote: I have a vote list im updating in the vote thread. Also an inactivity list in the main thread. Thanks for this! Hopefully i can help you out along the way.
In QuickStriker's blog:
On August 02 2009 09:19 SatouxKisei wrote: coo'
On August 02 2009 09:20 SatouxKisei wrote: you lost your bloginity i see
On August 03 2009 06:20 Empyrean wrote: Anyone know when everyone will be granted access?
EDIT: Fuck, not on my smurf account.
Oh well XD
Plexa has recently approved another round of smurfs. There may be a few still outside the game, if you are one of these, make sure you have asked Plexa to let you in.
On August 03 2009 02:04 Acidic Pirate wrote: A quick note to the abstainers in the voting thread:
Abstaining does nothing for the town. If anything, vote for an inactive townie. He's either an inactive townie, in which case his death wouldn't mean much for us anyway, or he's mafia, in which case we have our first little victory. Besides, by voting for different people, you can see their reactions and use them to try and figure out whether or not a person is mafia or not.
So stop abstaining, and starting voting for people, if nothing else than to see their reaction.
:/
And it's not like by abstaining no one's going to die. Yes, someone is going to die anyway, so abstaining really does nothing. At the earliest stages of the game, we need all the intelligence we can get, and behavioral clues/analysis helps us determine who the mafia are.
thx for the info that ur totally mafia and want help getting rid of townies through posting about inactives lucky for you pyr clarified that some people dont have access yet also we need someone else to be more obvious about being mafia like you so we can have a good start on the lynch wars
I don't even know how to respond to this :/...when I first posted that, I didn't know about some people not having forum access. And still, it's solid advice. Maybe after everyone has access, check the inactives and target them.
By the way, a common tactic for mafia in previous games was to sow confusion in the townspeople. I'm not sure what exactly you're trying to accomplish, but you're playing terribly. So either get some common sense, learn how to play the game, or lose the game for all of us. Your posts aren't useful or helpful in any capacity, and if you want to help us out, you should probably work on making coherent and sensible arguments.
On August 03 2009 06:20 Empyrean wrote: Anyone know when everyone will be granted access?
EDIT: Fuck, not on my smurf account.
Oh well XD
Ok seriously, I know it's hard sometimes, but these slip-ups could potentially ruin the game. If people manage to find out (or easily guess) identities, that kind of ruins the purpose of smurfing.
Try to keep mistakes like that to a minimum please?
On August 03 2009 05:59 ReporterSmurf wrote: Breaking News:
SatouxKisei's post count is about to surpass SugiuraMidori's post count (nonsmurf). At this rate, SatouxKisei will be a marine in no time. Sat's post mostly contain one liners. Other than that he just posts smiley faces. Sat strongly opposes the inactives and wants them lynch right away. While others feel that the overly hyperactive individuals may need to lynched instead.
This has been news from the most unbias smurf news organization. Thank you reading and have fun posting!
Uhh. ok I don't really care about inactives anymore , it's kinda useless cause anyone could just say "i had no forum access, boo hoo"
I certainly don't mostly post one-liners and im fairly certain i redeem myself with huge posts? and last, you could just ask me for my posts? i don't see why you had to waste your time looking when i have a "post" button that lists all of them.
do you even know what a "one-liner" is? it's a short joke. Other than my 3 one-liners prior to the day post i posted none. I could just go ahead and tear apart your entire pathetic post -_-
sheesh, I go to sleep, get up and see random accusations flying everywhere.
To those spending time on day 1 clues, doesn't seem like its something to concentrate on. Not much there, and the last few games seem to have useless day one clues until you compare them to later in the game.
Instead we should be looking at peoples behaviour to this point. to name a few general names best[alive] detective shinigata cardinal
Best[alive] is there due to being insanely brutish with his posts, yet providing almost no help. He argues clue analysis day 1 (which normally isn't reliable as behavioural day 1), and has brought up the idea of indian red dot idea that people are running with, insanely far stretch imo and seems very antitown.
detective shinigata has just had some bad analysis, most likely failing at helping.
cardinal for voting based on a reasoning of masonbob, guess what, masonbob hadn't posted at that point linking anything, which means that cardinal and masonbob are working together closely already (usually only mafia are the only ones able to work that closely), and seems like a slipup on his part.
I would strongly suggest we sit down and analyze behaviourally, or find some obvious openings before we start random voting, which is what we have now.
Alright, so I just got my access to the forum. This is good. To start things off lets get some shit strait.
NOT EVERYONE HAS ACCESS TO THE FORUM YET. I just got mine earlier. I am currently abstaining, I see no point in voting yet. Day one clues suck, and pyrrs not going to clue rape after last game he played in.
I saw some talk about medic protection in this game, and how it doesn't 100% confirm someone as innocent because the mafia can hit themselves.
This is retarded, the mafia has 3 hits, for this awesome situation to work, they would have to have to predict the medic protecting a mafia, then WASTE a hit hitting there own mafia in the HOPE that is actually protected or they just killed one of their own.
If they can arrange all that, chances are they know who the medic is and can kill him or get into a circle of trust in an easier way.
Now if a medic actually does protect someone who gets hit, you fucking role call that person. Start some conversation. I find its always good to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Two is usually better, I have only seen one situation where someone ended up talking to two mafias.
So talk to people however you want. Don't reveal your role under any circumstance except with the aforementioned situation. A medic correctly protecting is rare anyway, if it actually happens jump on it. Yeah its not 100% but its as damn close as your going to get.
With that out of the way, day one clues suck. Search the inactives for someone who might link up and kill him. The worst that can happen is we kill an inactive and narrow down who the clue applies to.
With that said, most clues aren't going to make sense until we have more to work with, like day two or three clues in conjunction with everything.
And everyone, read posts carefully and think for yourself, really think if something TRULY makes sense. Don't fall into retarded bandwagons just becuase you see a wall of text with a bunch of god damn colors and then people start bandwagoning it. Thats what zombies do. Don't be a zombie, because your just going to get us killed.
With that said, I really won't really post much more until the next day. I am actually not even going to look for clues tonight, since I feel its useless and a waste of time. When we get our next set of clues I will start searching. With that said, lets get some mafia killed.
On August 03 2009 07:21 KomabaHajime wrote: sheesh, I go to sleep, get up and see random accusations flying everywhere.
To those spending time on day 1 clues, doesn't seem like its something to concentrate on. Not much there, and the last few games seem to have useless day one clues until you compare them to later in the game.
Instead we should be looking at peoples behaviour to this point. to name a few general names best[alive] detective shinigata cardinal
Best[alive] is there due to being insanely brutish with his posts, yet providing almost no help. He argues clue analysis day 1 (which normally isn't reliable as behavioural day 1), and has brought up the idea of indian red dot idea that people are running with, insanely far stretch imo and seems very antitown.
detective shinigata has just had some bad analysis, most likely failing at helping.
cardinal for voting based on a reasoning of masonbob, guess what, masonbob hadn't posted at that point linking anything, which means that cardinal and masonbob are working together closely already (usually only mafia are the only ones able to work that closely), and seems like a slipup on his part.
I would strongly suggest we sit down and analyze behaviourally, or find some obvious openings before we start random voting, which is what we have now.
Best's agreesive style makes him unlikely to be mafia. Anyone doing that as mafia would have to be a complete idiot to throw out random accusations and add crappy clue analysis while drawing attention to themselves.
I'm putting best down as a stupid townie and highly unlikely to be mafia at this point.
ReporterSmurf: Ok, first question. What exactly is your role in the smurf society?
SatouxKisei: I don't roleclaim. Next question!
ReporterSmurf: When was the last time you visited the doctor?
SatouxKisei: ...2 months ago... but how is this possibly relevant and not drivel(useless) :O
ReporterSmurf: Well, our viewers want answers. They want to know whether or not you have any social disorders. Rumors are spreading over the internet that your hyperactivity has something to do with a social disorder. Can you clear up these accusations of you having a social disorder that makes you hyperactive?
SatouxKisei: i thought this was an interview not a troll
ReporterSmurf: I don't understand what you mean..This is an interview - if you don't feel comfortable answering the question then I understand *gives a sincere look and pats Satouxkisei* Its okay..I'll go to the next questoin, Who do you think is most likely mafia at this point?
SatouxKisei: "to make a short list of suspects
Uch3k he came in and just repeated a lot of things, gave an excuse, then promptly left the spotlight.
cardinal voting list, weird. plus he doesn't seem too bright , granted he only posted twice, and voted without even looking/posting in thread.
I'm not really confident but that's who i think anyways. im pretty sure bEsT[Alive] is town aligned and people who voted for him are PsYchOFisH DontIynchmepIease
that concludes my "short" list of suspects."
ReporterSmurf: Thank you for your time, I think that about ends our interview. And last comments?
SatouxKisei: No
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So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
On August 02 2009 21:12 Sacrifice wrote: Okay. So we have unlimited role checks. That's good. Mafia can "frame" a townie(should be called this, not cover) every night. That's bad. Godfather can appear as anything he wants to. That's bad as well.
Basically, role checks in general cannot be trusted, at least alone. Millers appear as red, Godfather fan frame/cover people, and he himself can still appear as whatever he wants to. DTs still should R/C almost every night, clue checking pretty much only when we need the godfather... Or if there's a really certain clue about someone who was R/C'd to be town. Vigilante should save his hit for a few days until we have a couple of good targets.
Right now, we need to establish a couple of things. First off, what role is the Godfather most likely to appear as and what would benefit him the most? Townie would be the normal, safe choice, but what are the chances that he would appear as, say, a DT or a Medic?
Second, we might have to compose some kind of a medic list for the Medics, although that's not really that high of a priority because this is a vet game and the medics should be reasonably experienced.
And lastly, what are our plans for getting a confirmed townie? Mafia is able to hit themselves in this game, so medic block confirmation doesn't work. Actually, I doubt they'd hit themselves with only 3 KP available to them, so scratch that. Medic block can be considered almost a 100% confimation. Vigilante hit and connecting clues is the obvious choice, but that shouldn't be done until later, when we have enough targets to that a vigi hit would be useful. We also can't confirm the amount of blue roles, only the amount of Mafia, so the benefits aren't as high as they normally would. The confirmed townie would still be useful for acting as a mouth for the DT's, for instance.
Yeah, i think the lack of mayor combined with the "inaccuracy" of rolechecks this game could be part of the reason why the kp is a bit lower. I think the only reason the GF would cover himself as DT would be to lure out other DT's into checking him, and then get them killed. Posing as a medic doesn't seem to offer any such incentive, at least that I can think of, because he wouldn't be able to effectively pretend to use the role. I guess if a DT checked him and he popped up medic, the gf might be able to catch the dt. GF has to play a lot smarter to stay undercover as a blue though, so I guess it depends on whether the mafia wants to play it safe or not.
The vigi hit clue is really the only way I can think of for confirming a townie as well. Still, that sort of strategy comes with the problems of drawing the medic protection away from other players, and I doubt there are any more than 2 medics this round.
There are tons of reasons to fake medic for the gf. Medics are (potentially) such a good role that the town would never lynch a real medic. Also, medics have sucked so much in the past that it would be ridiculously easy to fake.
In one game, even without being a gf, attackzerg managed to fake medic and delay his lynch for a day and get a circle of blues trusting him leading to a complete massacre.
So yes, the odds are that the mafia will choose medic for the gf because after a check, its so unlikely they'll die and its so easy to fake.
Hm, i didn't think it all the way through. I thought that since the person saved gets a PM, it would only work if they got protected by a real medic. But obviously all the mafia has to do is not hit whoever the gf is "protecting." Derp.
EBWOP: since there's no role reveal upon death, only alignment reveal, I think I would be right in thinking that GF posing as a blue is a much more powerful move.
On August 03 2009 00:03 ReporterSmurf wrote: News Update:
So far Day 1 clues have been why too obvious and mafia is panicing. They had to use almost half of its member to get people to stop looking at the clues. Fortunately, Sacrifice was able to make a long post to distract the town away from the clues. The red dot clue has been getting a lot of attention as mafia fake argue with each other and laugh about it secretly to themselves.
Complete garbage. It's known that day 1 clues suck. My post is one of the only useful posts on the thread, talking about numerous things that are important for the town to take care of instead of the typical spam or useless analysis. You seem like a mafia trying to spew bullshit or a dumb townie with way too large of an ego for being as wrong as you are.
Only like 2 people actually addressed my last post. Don't you see that the issues in it are imperative for the town's success? Nice post by LayOffRage, the post is completely correct.
On August 03 2009 08:46 glugluk wrote: So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
Hi. Tell us your plan. What if the mafia claim to be Veterans? It can't be confirmed, and they might get into the town circle. Sounds like a bad plan especially without more information.
Now the most important thing: EVERYONE has to decide who to vote. TOGETHER. If we just vote random people, Mafia has 6!!! votes that they can throw at one person if needed!!! If we don't vote for one person, Mafia will just vote for the townie suspect! We need to vote together, otherwise we're GUARANTEED!!!!! to lose a townie!!! Understand this!!!
Some potential suspects:
ReporterSmurf - Makes no sense and seems to attempt to confuse the town
SatouxKisei - spammer, seemingly active but posts nothing of value.
MasonBob - Stupid reply to Acidic Pirate's post.
Town HAS to decide on who to vote, IF WE DON'T, WE'RE 100% GUARANTEED TO END UP LYNCHING A TOWN ROLE!!!!!!
On August 03 2009 08:46 glugluk wrote: So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
Hi. Tell us your plan. What if the mafia claim to be Veterans? It can't be confirmed, and they might get into the town circle. Sounds like a bad plan especially without more information.
Like I said, I cannot tell you the specifics of my plan. However, I have made precautions against mafia claiming vets. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
If your so worried about lynching a town role why don't you just lynch me? Isn't obvious that my news are jokes? yet a few people are taking them seriously, geez. If you don't like them then you should just vote for me to stop in the poll I made in my interview post.
On August 03 2009 08:46 glugluk wrote: So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
Hi. Tell us your plan. What if the mafia claim to be Veterans? It can't be confirmed, and they might get into the town circle. Sounds like a bad plan especially without more information.
Like I said, I cannot tell you the specifics of my plan. However, I have made precautions against mafia claiming vets. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
*edited because of quote tag error
Sounds fishy. Well, I'm waiting for your plan. Hopefully vets don't claim until you reveal it.
On August 03 2009 09:21 ReporterSmurf wrote: If your so worried about lynching a town role why don't you just lynch me? Isn't obvious that my news are jokes? yet a few people are taking them seriously, geez. If you don't like them then you should just vote for me to stop in the poll I made in my interview post.
Falls in the cathegory of appearing to post content but actually not accomplishing anything. Fake activity. Do you think it's the better plan to have 3 votes on 10 different people and have the mafia sway the vote towards a townie near the end? We need to choose someone.
-___- i was doing ok with my inactive plan until it got fucked over jesus if nothing i post is of value i just won't fucking post then goood fucking riddance.
On August 03 2009 08:46 glugluk wrote: So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
Hi. Tell us your plan. What if the mafia claim to be Veterans? It can't be confirmed, and they might get into the town circle. Sounds like a bad plan especially without more information.
Like I said, I cannot tell you the specifics of my plan. However, I have made precautions against mafia claiming vets. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
*edited because of quote tag error
Sounds fishy. Well, I'm waiting for your plan. Hopefully vets don't claim until you reveal it.
So you want the mafia to know what the plan is? The reason why this plan works is not because of a loophole in the rules that creates a foolproof plan. The plan works on how people act. I don't expect everyone to trust me, in fact I expect most people to criticize the plan. I'm not revealing it because it doesn't make sense to be revealed. However, I do hope people do discuss the merits of vets claiming. What can go right? What can go wrong? If something goes wrong what are the consequences?
On August 03 2009 07:21 KomabaHajime wrote: Best[alive] is there due to being insanely brutish with his posts, yet providing almost no help. He argues clue analysis day 1 (which normally isn't reliable as behavioural day 1), and has brought up the idea of indian red dot idea that people are running with, insanely far stretch imo and seems very antitown.
I've done far more than anyone else you clown. Wake up and smell the fricking coffee. Several people have been PMing already.
Do us a favor and leave it to the experts.
You want to be counterproductive? Not on my watch.
I'm still waiting on a few more players to check in with me.
The good players should know who I am by now. I'm not trying to hide it at all.
EDIT: I agree with the guy above. You've already made your intentions public hence it's a bad plan.
Traps are good for two purposes:
1) matching up smurf accounts with real ID's.
2) catching mafia.
Your Vet plan won't work for several reasons. One being you gave them the leg up on us. Good job.
Another thing.. can you guys stop screwing up? Shit, why don't you tell everyone who you are while you're at it. Jesus.
On August 03 2009 08:46 glugluk wrote: So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
Hi. Tell us your plan. What if the mafia claim to be Veterans? It can't be confirmed, and they might get into the town circle. Sounds like a bad plan especially without more information.
Like I said, I cannot tell you the specifics of my plan. However, I have made precautions against mafia claiming vets. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
*edited because of quote tag error
Sounds fishy. Well, I'm waiting for your plan. Hopefully vets don't claim until you reveal it.
So you want the mafia to know what the plan is? The reason why this plan works is not because of a loophole in the rules that creates a foolproof plan. The plan works on how people act. I don't expect everyone to trust me, in fact I expect most people to criticize the plan. I'm not revealing it because it doesn't make sense to be revealed. However, I do hope people do discuss the merits of vets claiming. What can go right? What can go wrong? If something goes wrong what are the consequences?
I already pmed you and this is plain obvious to me: Theres a lot more gain to mafia if the veterans are public. With 3 kp you cant go fucking around sending double hits. If a hit is blocked by a veteran or medic mafia is forced to guess on another hit on the same target risking another lost hit if the guy is protected next night. But in case veterans are public with medic protection mafia can send sure 1 hits to anyone they want and leave the veterans alone for as long as the game goes. Plus you are asking the town to blindly trust yourself. Veterans Get Active And Dont Fucking Roleclaim. DONT.
i believe my last post was grossly misunderstood what i meant by beating on acidic pirate about the lynching of inactives was how often in any past games has that ever killed a mafia and not a townie i just tacked on the post about some folks not having access as a stupid method to back up the faulty logic inherent in lynching inactives in an invite game we need to find someone that can do good behavioral analysis to take care of finding someone out as everyone has pointed out that first day clues are useless to try to analyze and pin to a mafia thus behavioral has a higher chance
as for role claiming to anyone it stands a chance if you would role claim to a mafia like what has happened to qatol in previous games allowing the mafia to vote off stronger or blue players instead of the townies
the whole rushing to lynch inactives nonsense seems to stem from the same players that played in pyrs last game which got them nowhere and inevitably lost town the game those that bother to post a bunch could still be anyone even with chances being higher for behavioral analysis but if no one plans to play the same as they have on main accounts it wont matter much
On August 03 2009 07:21 KomabaHajime wrote: Best[alive] is there due to being insanely brutish with his posts, yet providing almost no help. He argues clue analysis day 1 (which normally isn't reliable as behavioural day 1), and has brought up the idea of indian red dot idea that people are running with, insanely far stretch imo and seems very antitown.
I've done far more than anyone else you clown. Wake up and smell the fricking coffee. Several people have been PMing already.
Do us a favor and leave it to the experts.
You want to be counterproductive? Not on my watch.
I'm still waiting on a few more players to check in with me.
The good players should know who I am by now. I'm not trying to hide it at all.
EDIT: I agree with the guy above. You've already made your intentions public hence it's a bad plan.
Traps are good for two purposes:
1) matching up smurf accounts with real ID's.
2) catching mafia.
Your Vet plan won't work for several reasons. One being you gave them the leg up on us. Good job.
Another thing.. can you guys stop screwing up? Shit, why don't you tell everyone who you are while you're at it. Jesus.
Wait a sec...who is "the guy above?" The guy who just edited his post or me? What did that post say? Cuz this is really getting confusing people...
Anyway if you're talking about my plan, its not a trap. Its a plan to get confirmed townies. If someone could fill in the gaps as to what qatol said...
How did I give them a leg up on us? Or is this in response to your postulate that my plan is a "trap"?
On August 03 2009 08:46 glugluk wrote: So...hi everyone. Haven't finished reading all the posts yet but I'm here to reveal my plan. While I cannot reveal all the parts of my plan, I will say what my plan will do. We will get two confirmed townies who can be kept alive for the first few days so that we can get a system going. How? By having the two veterans publically claiming. If this plan works we will have two confirmed vets who can be medic protected day one. We might also have a good lynch candidate, something that rarely ever happens on day one. Again, like I said I cannot reveal exactly how this will work. But if you trust me it will work. So please, if your role is veteran please claim ASAP. We need to get up a power structure quickly if we are to get something going in this game. Especially since we don't have mayoral elections to stimulate day one activity.
Hi. Tell us your plan. What if the mafia claim to be Veterans? It can't be confirmed, and they might get into the town circle. Sounds like a bad plan especially without more information.
Like I said, I cannot tell you the specifics of my plan. However, I have made precautions against mafia claiming vets. Trust me, I know what I'm doing.
*edited because of quote tag error
Sounds fishy. Well, I'm waiting for your plan. Hopefully vets don't claim until you reveal it.
So you want the mafia to know what the plan is? The reason why this plan works is not because of a loophole in the rules that creates a foolproof plan. The plan works on how people act. I don't expect everyone to trust me, in fact I expect most people to criticize the plan. I'm not revealing it because it doesn't make sense to be revealed. However, I do hope people do discuss the merits of vets claiming. What can go right? What can go wrong? If something goes wrong what are the consequences?
I already pmed you and this is plain obvious to me: Theres a lot more gain to mafia if the veterans are public. With 3 kp you cant go fucking around sending double hits. If a hit is blocked by a veteran or medic mafia is forced to guess on another hit on the same target risking another lost hit if the guy is protected next night. But in case veterans are public with medic protection mafia can send sure 1 hits to anyone they want and leave the veterans alone for as long as the game goes. Plus you are asking the town to blindly trust yourself. Veterans Get Active And Dont Fucking Roleclaim. DONT.
Ok, so the mafia get to hit anyone else other than the vets. So they just leave the vets alone? Once you find the mafia imposter vet, then you got people to roleclaim to. Which makes the town a lot more coordinated. Better than having random blue roles claiming to mafia. Town organization is critical to many town wins. Infinite rolechecks can be powerful...but only if used correctly and if they are coordinated.
I am not asking people to trust me with roles or anything. I am not asking to run the game. I want to get the town leadership in the right hands so we can get an edge up on the mafia.
On August 03 2009 10:48 glugluk wrote: Wait a sec...who is "the guy above?" The guy who just edited his post or me? What did that post say? Cuz this is really getting confusing people...
Anyway if you're talking about my plan, its not a trap. Its a plan to get confirmed townies. If someone could fill in the gaps as to what qatol said...
Or not because this account isn't a smurf? (i.e. I screwed up)
On August 03 2009 10:48 glugluk wrote: Wait a sec...who is "the guy above?" The guy who just edited his post or me? What did that post say? Cuz this is really getting confusing people...
Anyway if you're talking about my plan, its not a trap. Its a plan to get confirmed townies. If someone could fill in the gaps as to what qatol said...
Or not because this account isn't a smurf? (i.e. I screwed up)
Ok, it isn't a smurf, but then why is bEsT[Alive] waiting for your pm/talking about your message/not clarifying who is "the guy above"? Still? He just posted...and didn't answer. This smurf stuff is getting pretty funky already...Are smurfs allowed to talk to non-smurf accounts?
No I'm not. DTs have more worth than Vets in the bigger picture. Mafia have 3 KP. They aren't going to waste their fucking hits man. No way. Vets don't need protection until they notify us that they've been hit. The DTs will have a mouth by the end of Night 1 unless they get car jacked. Odds of that happening are slim.
On August 03 2009 11:28 bEsT[Alive] wrote: No I'm not. DTs have more worth than Vets in the bigger picture. Mafia have 3 KP. They aren't going to waste their fucking hits man. No way. Vets don't need protection until they notify us that they've been hit. The DTs will have a mouth by the end of Night 1 unless they get car jacked. Odds of that happening are slim.
In Cardinal terms: Vets don't need medic protection. Mafia won't waste their KP. There are 24 of us to their 6. I like those odds. Our DTs will RC tonight. They will either find someone they can trust or find a red.
On August 03 2009 10:18 MasonBob wrote: i believe my last post was grossly misunderstood what i meant by beating on acidic pirate about the lynching of inactives was how often in any past games has that ever killed a mafia and not a townie i just tacked on the post about some folks not having access as a stupid method to back up the faulty logic inherent in lynching inactives in an invite game we need to find someone that can do good behavioral analysis to take care of finding someone out as everyone has pointed out that first day clues are useless to try to analyze and pin to a mafia thus behavioral has a higher chance
as for role claiming to anyone it stands a chance if you would role claim to a mafia like what has happened to qatol in previous games allowing the mafia to vote off stronger or blue players instead of the townies
the whole rushing to lynch inactives nonsense seems to stem from the same players that played in pyrs last game which got them nowhere and inevitably lost town the game those that bother to post a bunch could still be anyone even with chances being higher for behavioral analysis but if no one plans to play the same as they have on main accounts it wont matter much
I usually find that lynching an inactive is more of a threat so that inactive players post more. It forces mafia to come out of the woodwork, per se. If we make it practice to lynch those who are outspoken, the mafia can simply hide until the clues start pointing heavily to them. Therefore, a day 1 inactive lynch is perfectly logical. However, with some of the new issues that have risen, I have reason to believe there are better lynch targets for the day. There's at least another 24 hours, how is that inactive list looking?
I think following a "plan" this early is just foolish, especially if not all of the details of the plan are even revealed yet. Seriously: the plan we have so far is just stupid. We're letting the mafia know who TWO of the blue players are? Are you kidding me? That's just stupid. Asking Veterans to roll call is just asking for town to lose.
Additionally, mafia can roll call Veteran. Especially the Godfather, who can roleplay Veteran - he is immune from DT checks. If a DT checks him, he'll turn out Veteran. Great, by following your plan, we potentially have the Godfather in the circle of trusted townies, exchanging PMs and being able to influence lynching decisions.
You don't even tell us the details of the plan, but for us to blindly follow you because you have a "loophole"? Are you kidding me? Asking for the town to follow such a ridiculous and risky plan early on isn't just myopic, it's dangerous.
So hopefully you're just a deluded townsperson who's legitimately trying to help. I'd much prefer that over a mafia trying to spread confusion early on and reveal who the Veterans are.
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Seriously, either come up with a good plan that makes sense or don't try to force a bad one on us at all. You're doing nothing but hurting the town.
On August 03 2009 13:47 Acidic Pirate wrote: I think following a "plan" this early is just foolish, especially if not all of the details of the plan are even revealed yet. Seriously: the plan we have so far is just stupid. We're letting the mafia know who TWO of the blue players are? Are you kidding me? That's just stupid. Asking Veterans to roll call is just asking for town to lose.
Additionally, mafia can roll call Veteran. Especially the Godfather, who can roleplay Veteran - he is immune from DT checks. If a DT checks him, he'll turn out Veteran. Great, by following your plan, we potentially have the Godfather in the circle of trusted townies, exchanging PMs and being able to influence lynching decisions.
You don't even tell us the details of the plan, but for us to blindly follow you because you have a "loophole"? Are you kidding me? Asking for the town to follow such a ridiculous and risky plan early on isn't just myopic, it's dangerous.
So hopefully you're just a deluded townsperson who's legitimately trying to help. I'd much prefer that over a mafia trying to spread confusion early on and reveal who the Veterans are.
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Seriously, either come up with a good plan that makes sense or don't try to force a bad one on us at all. You're doing nothing but hurting the town.
This is the reason why you didn't make the plan. Your description does not describe what happens under the plan. So if nobody wants to follow, lets get this out there. I am a veteran. Theres no reason why the other one shouldn't claim now. If you don't claim, you just gave up a blue for no reason. If you do claim, we have something to work with.
I never said there was a loophole. I said this plan is NOT because of a loophole.
I hope YOU are a paranoid townsperson who is doing his job rather than a mafia who is afraid of getting a town structure set up.
I haven't voted yet as I am still trying to make my decision. It was stated that these games will run off of a strict schedule, but is it possible to request Pyrrhuloxia's word on how the inactive thing is going? Is everyone whitelisted?
The problem is, though, that there is the potential for Godfather to roleclaim Veteran, and there is literally no way, if more than the requisite number of "Veterans" show up, for us to know who the Godfather is besides (at the moment) very tenuous clues - hell, the clues might not even have gotten to point at the Godfather yet :/....also, the Godfather has the potential to worm his way into trusted town conversations - probably game ending right there.
Any detective would just see Veteran, so there's no help there.
So, basically by following your plan, we give away the names of our Veterans?
While I agree that we do need to set up some sort of structure (and, alas, I don't have a good suggestion yet ), it has to be safer than the one you suggested.
Anyway, I'm headed to sleep right now, I'll check back in the morning.
I am assuming all the people who role call vets are going to be checked for authenticity so we can root out the fakers. At worst we figure out 3 are veteran and we have a godfather among us, then we just use clue checks to figure out which one is it I suppose.
On August 03 2009 14:19 glugluk wrote: I am a veteran. Theres no reason why the other one shouldn't claim now. If you don't claim, you just gave up a blue for no reason. If you do claim, we have something to work with.
Um, how does you roleclaiming put the blame on whoever the other person is for giving up a blue? This makes no sense at all...
And now even after several townies voiced doubts about the plan we have LayOffRage claiming in the thread because of this post... even after he called the plan retarded (SO WHY GO ALONG WITH IT?) Now our dt's will probably have to rc you idiots that claimed, which will turn up a result that is not entirely verifiable, instead of RCing either suspicious or trustworthy players. Having the names of the names of the vets in public only benefits us if we can get enough true information to the vets such that it is necessary for the mafia to waste kp and kill the veterans. At this point, when we cannot even tell a real veteran from a fake one for at least 1-2 game days, having the names of the veterans be public simply tells the mafia where not to waste their kp.
And of course you are posting all this shit when we should be figuring out as a town who we want to lynch on Day 1. Right now the votes are a mess.
As Azura and others have said the Vet plan is a very anti-town move. It gives the Mafia too much information and allows them to scratch a few targets off their killing list.
It also wastes time as the DTs do not need to be rolechecking them because one of them could be the Godfather and we would just be playing into the Mafia's hands.
Lastly, there is no point in trying to form any kind of invincible confirmed players - the rules of this game clearly make that a hassle. Anyone going along with this plan is clearly anti-town at the moment. Detectives should role check anyone favoring this plan and those who have been clearly against the people opposing this plan.
glukgluk is surely lynchable. The other 3 I don't agree with. LayOffRage is actually one of the best candidates for a lynch because he called the plan retarded and roleclaimed in the same sentence. I also do not think he understands how hard it is to find a Godfather with a clue check. Essentially he is showing anti-town behavior in not only misunderstanding what he reads but ignoring what others have posted. We should keep an eye on him.
Also something I'm not sure was pointed out is that this "Vet Plan" actually ties the Detectives up. Even if the Mafia do not send forth their Godfather we will be spending time looking at people we kind of already know as legit while the actual bad guys are free to act until it's over.
Yeah, the cluecheck will be a complete shot in the dark, even with only 3 players (the 2 real vets and 1 gf) to tie to clues, unless Pyrr screws up.
I think I mentioned the tying up of the dts in my post.
LayOffRage is interesting... he made a good first impression, I think, but now his play is surely weird - note this quote:
On August 03 2009 07:59 LayOffRage wrote:Now if a medic actually does protect someone who gets hit, you fucking role call that person. Start some conversation. I find its always good to have someone to bounce ideas off of. Two is usually better, I have only seen one situation where someone ended up talking to two mafias.
So talk to people however you want. Don't reveal your role under any circumstance except with the aforementioned situation. A medic correctly protecting is rare anyway, if it actually happens jump on it. Yeah its not 100% but its as damn close as your going to get.
emphasis mine.
He needs to do some explaining here. And i'd like to hear others' opinions
Oh very good find there. That actually makes me feel even stronger about voting for him.
At first he has a stance that clearly warrants caution with the exception of medics. Next thing we notice he throws all caution to the wind and role claims on a very simple plan with some real risky ideas. The same guy who not too long ago said do not reveal your role under any circumstances.
LayOffRage why did you suddenly change your stance?
i now believe acid pirate and azura to be non mafia...
not ready to fall for role claims have never believed them in past either
where is ver to analyze behavior or who else doesnt slaughter themselves in the attempt we need more shouldnt be hard
for smurfette i dont care about inactives yet until all are in and no one is locked out so for now i say the vets need to analyze posts and stop posting with their mains
hope that prexea or whatever isnt able to see ips in the thread and catch matches with all these mains that have posted should pyrr get someone with power to remove those screwups completely or will that make it all disfunctional
i see no other real legit or logical and backed up reasons for anyone else to be getting lynched so far so illl go back to abstain for the day i suppose
more people post so i can figure you all out please then i will start my own network with what i say folks are and they can confirm ignore or pass on info and perhaps have a togethered town
WTF??? I am sleeping and you do THIS? What the heck??? LayOffRage what do you mean "sacrifice a blue"? NO MAFIA would target him. He's a veteran and on top of that is doing nothing to help the town. Mafia would be happy to just avoid him and be happy that they can kill people in 1 hit. If you are a veteran too, you're an idiot, completely and utterly.
Medics, DO NOT protect either of these veterans!!! They aren't really contributing to the town anyway. Mafia will not target either of them. In fact, we are hoping they do. So NO ONE protect them! It actually is forbbidden. Also, don't roleclaim to them. Just ignore them, that's the best we can do now.
I also propose the lynching of either of these "veterans" even if they happen to be legit. Stupid plans like this kill the town.
On August 03 2009 19:45 Sacrifice wrote: WTF??? I am sleeping and you do THIS? What the heck??? LayOffRage what do you mean "sacrifice a blue"? NO MAFIA would target him. He's a veteran and on top of that is doing nothing to help the town. Mafia would be happy to just avoid him and be happy that they can kill people in 1 hit. If you are a veteran too, you're an idiot, completely and utterly.
Medics, DO NOT protect either of these veterans!!! They aren't really contributing to the town anyway. Mafia will not target either of them. In fact, we are hoping they do. So NO ONE protect them! It actually is forbbidden. Also, don't roleclaim to them. Just ignore them, that's the best we can do now.
I also propose the lynching of either of these "veterans" even if they happen to be legit. Stupid plans like this kill the town.
So we now have two fuckers that say they are veterans. Good thing. If a blue claims to them he is just asking to die. Why the fuck nobody read the thread? DONT ROLECLAIM. Im voting to lynch LayOffRage for stupid.
They got what they wanted. The mafia will ignore hitting them. These guys got what they wanted. They won't get hit because the mob doesn't want to waste KP. *frown*
Then again, they could be mafia snooping for roles (Scar/RoL tactic). In other words, don't bother role claiming to them.
We got a few fish voting for blanket and another bloke voting for me. This isn't the race for Mayor. Thanks for the popular vote, but how about using your votes more wisely?
If you want to feed the mob the victory, so be it. I personally don't care. I asked Pi to wait until the other game was over and he didn't listen. Inactivity/access to the forums is a problem in both games.
Just read 12 pages of nothing, thanks for that. bEsT[Alive] all you're doing is screaming like a baby to avoid getting lynched, and in the vote thread you vote for OneSnakeOnATrain. Why and What could those reasons be?
Would someone please remove her head out of her ass, so I could make out her words. You're coming out muffled. Sort of like a queef.
We have enough vaginas in this game. You aren't helping so GFTO. Your post was as useless as Sarah Palin. Perhaps you should change your sig to "Maybe I was stupid for trying to play with the men."
Here. Just for you I'll post something noteworthy.There's a damn good reason why I voted the way I did. I'm putting certain people on the hot seat. It's called intuition. It's time for a response.
With that said, we need more penises to rise up and post. Seriously, where's a bag of dicks when you need it.
This game is already getting out of hand and I'm tired of doing damage control.
Thank you, thank you for your votes of confidence!
If you want a chance of winning you will need my expertise.
All the good players already know who I am. They know I'm one of the biggest threats.
Two of the following people are mafia: Qatol, Caller, MyBabyHands, Ace, Ver, Showtime!, L and BC.
Pi would want a level playing field. It's only logical.
I'm not going to post their akas. I already have a good idea of who a few people are.
Vote me out and you would be doing me a favor. I got a hot date with a ballerina and Caller's Red Army Mafia game is more than enough for me. Or you can keep me in and let me do all the dreaded legwork because I always give it my all before I bite the dust.
With that said, I urge people to vote for players on the inactive list. Ideally OneSnakeOnATrain.
EDIT: In response to Azura's comment. No, I think they're just stupid Townies. Dreamflower could be red though.
On August 03 2009 23:36 bEsT[Alive] wrote: It's called impulse and logic. It would only be fair if 2 of the 6 of us were mafia, no?
It makes perfect sense. The only thing is I have no clue which of us is red yet.
I doubt I'll get that far because I'll either get voted out tonight, or hit by your mafia.
no it doesn't because all of us (I'm not including you here) are on different levels of ability at different things. There's no way of knowing and really - there is no point in guessing. Just play the game based on the information you know and what you can find out. Impulses about who got put into what team is useless.
It's your own fault that you might get lynched lol.
Pyrrhuloxia when I die can I have one last request? Can I get pitchforked to death and bleed blue and white?
I'll be out with my ballerina, so unfortunately I won't get to witness it first hand. Shit, now I'm meeting her at 2EST.
Yeah so, other players are going to have to vouch for me.
EDIT: Yeah, like I said before Ace: I don't care. I'll do the homework if I'm still around. I'm not going to start role claiming publicly to everyone. Even though a few people already know who I am and my purpose. I enjoy monitoring as much as I do playing and right now I have a ton of shit to do.
So GL everyone. Let's see if you guys can figure out some reds on the 1st Day for once.
People are voting for the people who roleclaimed veteran. That is fucking idiotic. Ignore them. If their red they will give themselves away eventually. If not we didnt kill someone the mafia have to waste 2 hits onto kill.
In the voting thread,
On August 03 2009 22:54 StoneForest wrote: I vote for bEsT[Alive]
On August 03 2009 22:54 mOceaNu wrote: I vote for bEsT[Alive]
I have my reasons.
I see 2 votes for best in under a minute with no reasons posted.
On August 03 2009 23:08 Azura wrote: Looks like the mob is using the acridity of best's posts as an excuse to vote for him.
I agree. I'll follow best for now. everyone vote for OneSnakeOnATrain. At least the town gets to choose the lynch instead of the mafia sprinking in votes and making sure a townie dies. best is a arrogant ass but hes the only one not spamming the thread with useless shit
Yeah lets figure them out. So for that we need more vet claims people. Mafia to scared to claim? Or is our other vet still out there? Here's to hoping for another vet claim...we kinda need them people.
On August 04 2009 01:45 PsYchOFisH wrote: People are voting for the people who roleclaimed veteran. That is fucking idiotic. Ignore them. If their red they will give themselves away eventually. If not we didnt kill someone the mafia have to waste 2 hits onto kill.
On August 03 2009 23:08 Azura wrote: Looks like the mob is using the acridity of best's posts as an excuse to vote for him.
I agree. I'll follow best for now. everyone vote for OneSnakeOnATrain. At least the town gets to choose the lynch instead of the mafia sprinking in votes and making sure a townie dies. best is a arrogant ass but hes the only one not spamming the thread with useless shit
wow this post looks weird. I'm leaving now but I'm going to want to look at all your posts later.
People are starting to realize how lame smurf games really are. Behavioral analysis has never failed so many before. Many people are suffering from identity crisis. Some people are taking things to extremes such as acting like well known vet acting like a townie acting like a blue acting like a mafia. Everyone is going mad and soon smurf town will be no longer. People will think that smurf town is nothing but a cartoon of fantasy by the end of this game. The biggest problem of all is that most people can't be themselves. Without their big name no one will listen to them. Worst of all big names have to suffer through the wrath of posers. Posers are taking big steps to act like big names. They are going into other mafia threads and copy pasting big names words and tweaking them to fit their needs. That leaves us with this question: Will town lose all identity or will they make a new name for themselves?
This has been news from the most unbias and most undrivel smurf news organization. Thank you reading and have a great time smurfing!
On August 03 2009 16:07 LayOffRage wrote: Well it looks like this retarded plan is already in motion. We can't just sacrifice a blue for no reason -_-;
I am a vet.
Umm. Ok? I hope there was a lot more going on behind this than just "Oh noes, he said he was a vet, so I better rolecall too." If you're both telling the truth, the medics now have two less people on their list when they figure out who to protect. But the Mafia now has two less people on their list when they figure out who to hit, too... and now they know their hits will go through.
If you ask me, this is totally the wrong way to go about being conspicuous as a vet. Having the extra night life means you should post actively, take Mafia attention off other townies and make the Mafia waste their hits because they think you're a normal townie or another blue role. It doesn't mean announcing it publicly so they know not to hit you.
So, I hope glukgluk knows what the hell he's doing. I'm pretty clueless as to how his plan helps the town.
On the other hand, Pyrrhuloxia saying everyone has access to this forum is good news. I haven't voted yet because I wanted to vote for someone who was either actually inactive or looked suspicious. I haven't seen anyone who screams MAFIA to me yet, but maybe that'll change soon when more people come out of the woodwork (or don't come out).
Hey sorry just woke up and read through the last three pages of drama.
Although the "plan" that the ostensible vets went through with was stupid, I don't know why people are actually voting for them to be lynched. If their ideas are stupid, then we just won't follow them and they have no influence. And if they're truly blues, then we just wasted a lynch on them, since there's no chance for them to be red. Of course, if they're red, well, we could always just lynch them on a later date.
About the whole smurf thing that ReporterSmurf brought up, I actually think this is a welcome change in mafia. Instead of people blindly following Ver, Ace, L, or other big names in the game, everyone is free to think independently without the bias of "oh he's a great player I'll just do what he says". People are free to evaluate plans for themselves, and that's refreshing. Think about this: everyone now is saying that glugluk's plan was stupid, but, if in a normal mafia game, someone like Ace brought up that plan, would everyone be jumping on the bandwagon?
In any case, the day ends today and I'm interested in seeing what gets brought up.
Couple things...Reporter Smurf. People should look at your posting style and see that it is something a mafia would do. Of course the smurf name was created before you got your role and you may just be trying to go with your theme, but I'd be careful about him.
upeth: I know what I'm doing. But people aren't helping. Does everyone have access to the forum now? Pyrr, when does day end? Was it extended? If so can you reflect that in the day post? Anyway, we need all vet claims to be made well before the day ends so we have a lynch candidate...So if you're a vet (or mafia) get active and claim vet ASAP.
Acidic Pirate: Ace would never bring up this plan. At least I highly doubt it. If he did nobody would follow and everyone would want to lynch him?
We're on track to end at 6:00 PM PDT / 10:00 KST unless some people who got in late PM me a good reason to extend the deadline. I think everyone has posted now.
On August 04 2009 03:49 glugluk wrote: upeth: I know what I'm doing. But people aren't helping. Does everyone have access to the forum now? Pyrr, when does day end? Was it extended? If so can you reflect that in the day post? Anyway, we need all vet claims to be made well before the day ends so we have a lynch candidate...So if you're a vet (or mafia) get active and claim vet ASAP.
I don't think you get it yet, so let me help you.
Your plan sucks.
You tie up the dts for a day and give the mafia alot of information, you give the mafia better choices of targets, and worst of all, you have some hidden plan that you won't tell to anyone until people start roleclaiming.
How many more people need to tell you this before you abandon this crap?
First, i know people are upset about the veteran "plan"- but lynching them out of spite isn't the way to go, someone said, "the best thing for now is to avoid them" Yes, ignore the veterans for Day 1, we need to focus on the organizing the lynch counts.
also, no mafia would be retarded enough to attack multiple people - or in the aggressive manner that bEsT[Alive] is, and draw streams of attention to themselves, as well as lynch votes , in this case.
Look at the votes on bEsT[Alive] (PsychoFish's Post)
On August 03 2009 22:54 StoneForest wrote: I vote for bEsT[Alive]
On August 03 2009 22:54 mOceaNu wrote: I vote for bEsT[Alive]
I have my reasons.
I see 2 votes for best in under a minute with no reasons posted.
On August 03 2009 23:08 Azura wrote: Looks like the mob is using the acridity of best's posts as an excuse to vote for him.
Do you know how much information we get from lynching bEsT[Alive] ? Nothing, because myself and everyone else can claim we were trying to lynch an inactive.( if we were mafia that is ) However, if you lynch OneSnakeOnATrain and he flips RED, bam you've got 3 prime suspects, currently voting for bEsT[Alive]
So again, please ignore the veteran's and don't lynch them out of spite. Possibly they have a good plan on revealing behavioral analysis and being extremely helpful to the town(?) or they were townies posing as veterans(?)- doubtful but still a possibility.
Instead, please lynch OneSnakeOnATrain, and Pyrr can you confirm if he has access to the forum?
Its fairly obvious after we have 2 pseudo confirmed veterans, we're going to force everyone to roleclaim, which pushes mafia into overtly playing blue or being herded into the green portion of town. If they claim blue, and the town does its job, we should have 33% mafia lists which are prime targets for DT checks.
The method mafia has of stopping it involves them dumping KP into veterans early game, which is horrible for them. If certain roles aren't fake claimed, by day 2 there should be a number of other confirmed townies who can continue the job.
I agree with SatouxKisei. Although getting no informatin out of bests lynch would be a lie. Clearly the mafia would say he was a dick excuse more or less. but we still have a vote list and people acting odd. The only reason I would vote for best now is because abrasive posting annoys me.
On August 04 2009 05:50 MafiaAreJerks wrote: Its fairly obvious after we have 2 pseudo confirmed veterans, we're going to force everyone to roleclaim, which pushes mafia into overtly playing blue or being herded into the green portion of town. If they claim blue, and the town does its job, we should have 33% mafia lists which are prime targets for DT checks.
The method mafia has of stopping it involves them dumping KP into veterans early game, which is horrible for them. If certain roles aren't fake claimed, by day 2 there should be a number of other confirmed townies who can continue the job.
The problem with Rolechecks is the fact that mafia can use "Cover" which would make an actual Veteran appear Mafia, and the Godfather, who would appear Veteran.
Even if someone turns mafia because he was covered, mafia need to predict which blue stack they're going to cover, and the now organized town can simply opt to rolecheck based on voter lists and behavioral information.
Its pretty bullshit to pretend that cover and millers make the act of forcing mafia into boxes anything less than powerful. Infallible? Sure. Powerful? Absolutely. Mafia need to false claim a number of blues or lose the game nearly immediately.
Are you honestly saying you wouldn't want to have a 1 in 3 ASSURED list with a mafia member in it to help with clues, behavioral analysis and rolechecks?
Alas! fellow townies I fear we are making a grave mistake! What has OneSnakeOnATrain done to be worthy of such a lynch? Inactivity. However we have yet to know whether he has access to the forum or not. Thus it only makes sense in the confusing chaos of the veterans that OneSnakeOnATrain live to see another day!
But what choice do we have? I have chosen to vote for blanket, and stay with my vote I shall, unless a more compelling argument should arise. For we see, blanket and OneSnakeOnATrain do have inactivity problems. Fear not! For blanket has accomplished a feat OneSnakeOnATrain has yet to do: vote. OneSnakeOnATrain can claim he had no access to the forum. Obviously the truth will remain concealed. blanket by no means has that excuse, as he has voted!
Suspicious indeed, lynching OneSnakeOnATrain has received quite a bandwagon...only the foul hearted mafia could be behind such a disasterous deed!
are you kidding? i just said, i'm waiting for him to post- if he doesn't post and pyrr confirms he has access then he's even more so inactive then blanket is. it's like you don't know how to read.
Also, not that i need an "argument"(you're using my own damn argument about inactivity as an excuse anyways?), but i think bEsT[Alive] isn't mafia so im keeping him alive.
I mean really is that all you do, copy? First you copied sacrifice's post with godfather roles, medic list, and confirmed town, but far be it for you to actually contribute. "OH hey guys you should all do these things, and help the town out, but im not going to actually contribute anything"
maybe it looks all nice and innocent to everyone else but not me.
I might just abstain for the entire day. I do not think any leads are strong enough to vote. That being said, I really hope OneSnake gets online. I would vote OneSnake to keep best[alive] away from being lynched, but I am somewhat suspicious of him as well, so I see no need for me to do anything but abstain.
On August 04 2009 07:35 SatouxKisei wrote: I mean really is that all you do, copy? First you copied sacrifice's post with godfather roles, medic list, and confirmed town, but far be it for you to actually contribute. "OH hey guys you should all do these things, and help the town out, but im not going to actually contribute anything"
maybe it looks all nice and innocent to everyone else but not me.
Pray, tell me what have you done worth contributing? Sacrifice is a genuine contributor, and anything good he says is burried under the rubble of the landslide from the veteran roleclaims. At the current rate, OneSnakeOnATrain will be modkilled to the depths of hell. Wasting an ever precious town lynch on someone who is going to get modkilled is folly indeed.
And now what have I done to upset you so? Anger and haste shall lead to the deaths of innocence! But please, correct me if my interpretation is wrong. True it is; I have done minimal contributing, but the rest of the townsfolk are riding the same path to destruction as I am. I do not believe it in the interest of the town for bEst to die, less a compelling argument should strike the minds of the town.
All I ask is to off the head of a true inactive, not someone who has the chance of a cruel death to modkill. It is quite clear, when, if at all, OneSnakeOnATrain joins our illustrious town, he will say "Sorry, didn't have access." What plan do you have when this happens? Are you still going to vote for him?
But yes! I will be at fault, should he come back and remain inactive. Then your vote will be as justified as mine, and my speak shall be for naught. For the benefit of the town, I hope you do not continue to seek this grudge against me, less we behead more innocent townspeople.
What does everyone think of StoneForest as a lynch candidate? A random video post + a vote for Best seems fishy, especially since it can be temptingly easy to vote for him.
You can't fault people voting for Best. The way he has played is so crazy people will naturally want him dead. Likewise that plan you came up with is very anti-town and you're suspect #2.
However LayoffRage is who should be getting votes right now. He hasn't even responded to the questions I raised earlier and any innocent pro-town player with nothing to hide would have. If this is truly a Vet game I think he was trying to force the Vet plan subtely by going along with it easily, hoping other townies bought into it.
Between Miller roles and Godfather that Veteran plan is too convenient and would have given the Mafia access to a lot of information and the ability to escape justice. I think everyone should really be looking at how this plan came about and the first set of people to support it.
Look at him. No mafia would just paint themselves the center of attention like that. Killing the people who vote for him is a much better idea. how bout we decide on one of the ppl voting for mr best and kill them. ill be helping out with some clue analysis in a min or two
On August 04 2009 09:00 BarBaPoPPa wrote: best alive is not mafia
Look at him. No mafia would just paint themselves the center of attention like that. Killing the people who vote for him is a much better idea. how bout we decide on one of the ppl voting for mr best and kill them. ill be helping out with some clue analysis in a min or two
lucia, I agree. "The suddenness and poor reasoning behind his roleclaim makes me think he could be a mafia trying to get his roleclaim in before the other veteran."- anoy however there is no 3rd veteran claim
No mafia would just paint themselves the center of attention like that. Killing the people who vote for him is a much better idea. how bout we decide on one of the ppl voting for mr best and kill them.
sounds good, i'm still waiting on OneSnake to post however.
From clues, uch3k might be the mafia. pyrrhuloxia died after a red dot appeared on his forehead. Now some peeps were thinking of sniper bullets & stuff but look at uch3k's profile. There is a red dot in his picture, the sun! Might be a little simple but worth looking into maybe
Don't lynch on day one clues please. I'd be inclined to encourage people to vote for StoneForest. Or Blanket. StoneForest is a little bit stronger to me.
Come on people...where are you? Dont use the excuse that you're busy in the other mafia game please Maybe two games at once with players in both wasnt a good idea after all...
SatouxKisei: Indeed your plan has proven successful, and my thoughts were wrong. I hope there are no hard feelings. Yet you have said not a word in response to my last post. An argument with thee I seek not, nor do I wish to quell any thoughts that you might be mafia, for that would be foolish indeed.
On August 04 2009 09:06 BarBaPoPPa wrote: From clues, uch3k might be the mafia. pyrrhuloxia died after a red dot appeared on his forehead. Now some peeps were thinking of sniper bullets & stuff but look at uch3k's profile. There is a red dot in his picture, the sun! Might be a little simple but worth looking into maybe
And again! One seeks to hinder my existence! You are not the first to link these clues to me. As I am but a simple townsperson I cannot help but exasperate at this. Day 1 clues should not be taken to heart, and as a townsperson these clues cannot be linked with me anyways.
But listen well! I cannot continue this argument indefinitely. Find more clues in the future days you must if you wish to see my head hang. Impossible it is, but I am the only one assured of that. If you are not convinced of my status now, in due time it will become clear.
On August 04 2009 09:05 SatouxKisei wrote: lucia, I agree. "The suddenness and poor reasoning behind his roleclaim makes me think he could be a mafia trying to get his roleclaim in before the other veteran."- anoy however there is no 3rd veteran claim
No mafia would just paint themselves the center of attention like that. Killing the people who vote for him is a much better idea. how bout we decide on one of the ppl voting for mr best and kill them.
sounds good, i'm still waiting on OneSnake to post however.
Well, if the second roleclaim was a mafia roleclaim, the REAL Veteran might wait until he's dead before rolecalling to ensure that he's not wrongly accused of being mafia.
Also, uch3k, you post in the most annoying fashion ever. I hate reading your posts :/
The town barely came to a hotly contested plurality decision. Two minutes after the final vote switch, OneSnakeOnATrain swang in the breeze. Worried murmurs commenced.
Reminder: Only alignment is revealed on death, not role. So a blue would look green, a green would look green, and mafia/godfather would both come up as just red. Cover can't change what someone would look like after they die. I don't put clues in night posts.
Night roles, please send me your actions. You have until 10:00 KST tomorrow to send them in. That is the earliest the Day 2 post will appear.
On August 04 2009 11:40 OneSnakeOnATrain wrote: oh shoot i didn't even realize i had died. ok gg. good luck town and next time i'll try to be more active. also, to pyrr: can i reveal who i really was now?
No. And you should probably edit out that huge post too.
If you come back to play right after a day/night post, please check to see if you are alive before posting. I don't want a repeat of last game's continuous zombie posting. Additionally, quit editing posts by your smurf. If you post with your main, please edit the post to be blank. Please don't post with your main in here from now until the game is over.
oh and for the record when we played two or three games ago (Qatols game) both Showtime! and Caller stuck their heads out numerous times despite being mafia members. People expose themselves as a tactic knowing that they will not be harmed because obviously mafia won't touch them, and we think they're fucking insane for being outspoken.
This is the same trap everyone falls into each game. And if I were to bet the best[alive] and Ace conversation was not two people fighting, he shouldn't have been posting on that account....
the number of times a mafia member has snuck by with a few posts looking an innocent as possible dwarfs that of when they are actively posting, showtime! and caller being a few exceptions.
and it wouldn't surprise me if the same 6-7 people pmed eachother and were like "KEKEKEEKEKEKE THIS IS MY SMURF ACCOUNT LETS WORK TOGETHER LOLLOL" and that's why people are like 'best[alive] isnt mafia..'
cmon guys this isn't a true smurf game if you're doing that. You proly shouldn't have even posted the usernames of those playing [pyr]...
On August 04 2009 22:02 SatouxKisei wrote: the number of times a mafia member has snuck by with a few posts looking an innocent as possible dwarfs that of when they are actively posting, showtime! and caller being a few exceptions.
so it couldn't happen in this game? Where we supposedly don't know the playing style of the other players in this game?
best[alive] is pulling the same Ace bullshit he does every game, regardless of role. We're going to listen to him? I'd rather not...
It sucks when the wrong person has to go. One of the reasons I went with him instead of someone else is because someone else had already voted and because four of you decided to get all pissy by voting for me.
I take calculated risks. I've already figured out who several smurfs are. Plexa can verify this in my PMs. Once I had them on lockdown mode the only thing I sent to them was something like this:
Hi Ace.
or Ver stop dodging me and PM me back.
etc.
There's a strong core in place already. I might be fucked, but the Town sure as hell isn't.
The only person I'm having a hard time locking down right now is Matty boy.
On August 05 2009 03:12 bEsT[Alive] wrote: m keep on guessing.
It sucks when the wrong person has to go. One of the reasons I went with him instead of someone else is because someone else had already voted and because four of you decided to get all pissy by voting for me.
I take calculated risks. I've already figured out who several smurfs are. Plexa can verify this in my PMs. Once I had them on lockdown mode the only thing I sent to them was something like this:
Hi Ace.
or Ver stop dodging me and PM me back.
etc.
There's a strong core in place already. I might be fucked, but the Town sure as hell isn't.
The only person I'm having a hard time locking down right now is Matty boy.
I know it's not explicitly against the rules, but isn't speculation very frowned upon this game? I mean, I've got some people figured out by now, but am keeping it to myself. You better hope you don't draw the ire of the mods.
On August 04 2009 22:02 SatouxKisei wrote: the number of times a mafia member has snuck by with a few posts looking an innocent as possible dwarfs that of when they are actively posting, showtime! and caller being a few exceptions.
In the game you're referring to, Showtime! ran from office, then dropped off the map for 3 days playing as godfather if I recall correctly, so no, he wasn't doing what you're saying he was. There ARE a few mafia members who have decided to play very overtly, like Pyrr during the last game, but the vast majority just post very infrequently.
I am so confused. Can someone give me a quick rundown on what just happened?
What I see: - glugluk announces plan that he cannot tell the exact details of. However, it requires Veterans to roleclaim. - glugluk rc's as Vet (despite the animosity towards the plan) - LayOffRage rc's as Vet
So is the "plan" in motion, or is it abandoned? Did we gain anything from this?
Roles are not revealed upon death, just alignment, so we need to maximize the usage of special roles tonight, as it may be the only night that we have all of our special roles alive. We are not even sure if that is true, since OneSnake was town aligned. I suppose having each special role act on their own accord works for Night 1, but will be fairly ineffective for future nights.
I wanted to bring up the issue of best[alive] and those who voted for him, but I would like my current post to be addressed first.
so my mini network contacts have served me well and i have gotten word from a friendly dt that role checked on poweroverwhelming telling me that he is a red
not happy with the snake fellow leaving but i was also informed he was a bad player so its not a huge loss to our cause
Nice work, though we don't know if he was being covered or if he's actually a red.
Hopefully a Vigi will hit him tonight so if he does turn up red, we have some confirmed blues from which we can build a framework. If not, then I guess we lost another townsperson.
DAY 2 As night fell on the city, rumors and whispers of detective activity began to swirl in the town square.
Elsewhere, Sacrifice was planning the town's response to the vicious mafia attacks. The mafia, impressed with Sacrifice's intelligence, loaded up as a group in to a tinted Suburban and stopped outside of his home. One mafia got out of the car and knocked on the door. When Sacrifice opened it, he immediately started becoming suspicious, but was soon stopped by this mafia's charms. Once Sacrifice had let his guard down, the mafia called for his brethren to enter the house, which was soon painted in blood after a hail of gunfire. Sacrifice's last hope was that he had not died in vain.
MafiaAreJerks certainly didn't betray the name his parents gave him. When he saw that his neighbor's house began to fly a flag that was two-thirds red, he thought he'd check it out. He found that the door was unlocked, and walked inside. After looking around, MafiaAreJerks grabbed his phone and began to look through his address book when some jerk in a hockey puck hat snuck up behind him and did him in.
An aquarium curator, Psychofish sat in his study, reading, when he began to have trouble turning the pages of his book. He was found dead with his nose firmly planted in a book about wizards. Various medications were found in his desk.
You guys realize there are millers too, right? That doens't mean 100% and just gives this supposed DT wiggle room. Since roles don't show he won't have to say a specific role that he was. Just that he was red.
I am just saying if this goes bad and you hear those excuses that is a possible scenario. Although the mafia would be playing it very risky if they were. So who knows just something to keep in the air.
And about the Vet plan. It is abandoned, don't put thought into it. Those posts basically never happened. It was a stupid plan as I said earlier for a variety of reasons.
But now we finally have some clues to work with, so lets get to work.
On August 05 2009 10:51 LayOffRage wrote: You guys realize there are millers too, right? That doens't mean 100% and just gives this supposed DT wiggle room. Since roles don't show he won't have to say a specific role that he was. Just that he was red.
I am just saying if this goes bad and you hear those excuses that is a possible scenario. Although the mafia would be playing it very risky if they were. So who knows just something to keep in the air.
And about the Vet plan. It is abandoned, don't put thought into it. Those posts basically never happened. It was a stupid plan as I said earlier for a variety of reasons.
But now we finally have some clues to work with, so lets get to work.
Ahhh but what choice is there for the good people of the town? Should poweroverwhelming make a compelling argument detailing his innocence, spare his life another day we shall consider. However is this town in a dire situation? As a fellow member, I think not. Kill poweroverwhelming we must, even should his blood drip green as my own.
On August 05 2009 03:12 bEsT[Alive] wrote: m keep on guessing.
It sucks when the wrong person has to go. One of the reasons I went with him instead of someone else is because someone else had already voted and because four of you decided to get all pissy by voting for me.
I take calculated risks. I've already figured out who several smurfs are. Plexa can verify this in my PMs. Once I had them on lockdown mode the only thing I sent to them was something like this:
Hi Ace.
or Ver stop dodging me and PM me back.
etc.
There's a strong core in place already. I might be fucked, but the Town sure as hell isn't.
The only person I'm having a hard time locking down right now is Matty boy.
Do not reveal your real ID or speculate about / demand to hear / mention real IDs in the game thread or PMs or elsewhere with anyone but myself until the game is 100% over. It defeats the purpose and fun of this smurf mechanic. This includes mafia, please don't reveal your real IDs to each other.
This is getting annoying. Really annoying. So please stop.
Anyway...look at the kill list. Psychofish. He posted once in the thread, which will be quoted here for reference:
On August 04 2009 01:45 PsYchOFisH wrote: People are voting for the people who roleclaimed veteran. That is fucking idiotic. Ignore them. If their red they will give themselves away eventually. If not we didnt kill someone the mafia have to waste 2 hits onto kill.
On August 03 2009 23:08 Azura wrote: Looks like the mob is using the acridity of best's posts as an excuse to vote for him.
I agree. I'll follow best for now. everyone vote for OneSnakeOnATrain. At least the town gets to choose the lynch instead of the mafia sprinking in votes and making sure a townie dies. best is a arrogant ass but hes the only one not spamming the thread with useless shit
For some reason they want this guy dead. Maybe they don't want us to ignore the vet roleclaims? Maybe they know he was on to something with StoneForest + mOceaNu? I think the second is more likely.
Sacrifice seemed to be an active townie. Didn't say much in the beginning except the obvious, but perhaps he was killed just because he was active. He did mention some suspects however:
ReporterSmurf - Makes no sense and seems to attempt to confuse the town
SatouxKisei - spammer, seemingly active but posts nothing of value.
MasonBob - Stupid reply to Acidic Pirate's post.
MafiaAreJerks. Of his four posts, two were about vets. One was about inactive mafia. Its kinda strange to me why the mafia killed him, as probably nobody would have listened to his thoughts about vets. Anyway, we should look at these people and see why they died.
Smurfette you look suspicious to me. You really don't post very much important to the town, and say you are confused. While this may be legitimate confusion, what does that give us? Like Psychofish (who is confirmed town) said, you should ignore the vets. Don't roleclaim to them. The plan is dead. Just keep on going and let the mafia be confused. Town has nothing to lose by ignoring the claims (just don't ignore what I say ).
Anyway, I have limited internet access now. Redoing our office so my posts may be intermittent.
Oh btw, MasonBob may I inquire as to the reason why you found a DT or why that DT was bold enough to even claim to you? Especially to everyone in a group??? Its wayyy more dangerous to have everyone in a group know you're a DT since there's more chance for mafia...not a good idea. I trust you will have precautions against that "DT" dying?
On August 05 2009 11:15 Uch3k wrote: Ahhh but what choice is there for the good people of the town? Should poweroverwhelming make a compelling argument detailing his innocence, spare his life another day we shall consider. However is this town in a dire situation? As a fellow member, I think not. Kill poweroverwhelming we must, even should his blood drip green as my own.
LETS OPEN UP THE CASE BOOK KIDS!!!! EMBRACE YOUR INNER DETECTIVE CONAN, SHERLOCKE HOLMES OR THAT BITCH FROM MURDER SHE WROTE.
ITS FUCKING CLUE TIME!!!!
Alright so I see some role calling on PowerOverwhelming. Now I pointed out before the potential pit falls with this being a Miller and a Godfather bullshit, but overall it should be a 90% solid lead or we get a mafia lynched.
Anyway back to business, if you look at the second kill today, we have someone getting killed by a Jerk, while initially a think the theme is to create a character out of a word or image with his clues. I think with PowerOverwhelming he had to keep the clues what is more similar.
The main clue here I see is the "MafiaAreJerks certainly didn't betray the name his parents gave him. When he saw that his neighbor's house began to fly a flag that was two-thirds red, he thought he'd check it out."
Two thirds red. Power Overwhelming has North Korea listed as his country.
I rest my case for him for now, we have a role claim and in my opinion a powerful clue.
Lets lynch him.
My text wall with more clue analysis will come later, for now I am going to play some ICCup 2on2.
On August 05 2009 11:57 glugluk wrote: Smurfette you look suspicious to me. You really don't post very much important to the town, and say you are confused. While this may be legitimate confusion, what does that give us? Like Psychofish (who is confirmed town) said, you should ignore the vets. Don't roleclaim to them. The plan is dead. Just keep on going and let the mafia be confused. Town has nothing to lose by ignoring the claims (just don't ignore what I say ).
I just want to know if we are still under your secret plan or if it has been abandoned. I saw no mention of it in the thread, and assumed it was dead, but did not know. I do not post much information, but I certainly try to give my opinion when I think it is necessary. I will comment on everything else later, I just think that it is unfair to call me out for being confused, when most of the town is not even posting, and some surely share my thoughts.
On August 05 2009 11:57 glugluk wrote: Smurfette you look suspicious to me. You really don't post very much important to the town, and say you are confused. While this may be legitimate confusion, what does that give us? Like Psychofish (who is confirmed town) said, you should ignore the vets. Don't roleclaim to them. The plan is dead. Just keep on going and let the mafia be confused. Town has nothing to lose by ignoring the claims (just don't ignore what I say ).
I just want to know if we are still under your secret plan or if it has been abandoned. I saw no mention of it in the thread, and assumed it was dead, but did not know. I do not post much information, but I certainly try to give my opinion when I think it is necessary. I will comment on everything else later, I just think that it is unfair to call me out for being confused, when most of the town is not even posting, and some surely share my thoughts.
LETS OPEN UP THE CASE BOOK KIDS!!!! EMBRACE YOUR INNER DETECTIVE CONAN, SHERLOCKE HOLMES OR THAT BITCH FROM MURDER SHE WROTE.
ITS FUCKING CLUE TIME!!!!
Alright so I see some role calling on PowerOverwhelming. Now I pointed out before the potential pit falls with this being a Miller and a Godfather bullshit, but overall it should be a 90% solid lead or we get a mafia lynched.
Anyway back to business, if you look at the second kill today, we have someone getting killed by a Jerk, while initially a think the theme is to create a character out of a word or image with his clues. I think with PowerOverwhelming he had to keep the clues what is more similar.
The main clue here I see is the "MafiaAreJerks certainly didn't betray the name his parents gave him. When he saw that his neighbor's house began to fly a flag that was two-thirds red, he thought he'd check it out."
Two thirds red. Power Overwhelming has North Korea listed as his country.
I rest my case for him for now, we have a role claim and in my opinion a powerful clue.
Lets lynch him.
My text wall with more clue analysis will come later, for now I am going to play some ICCup 2on2.
This was just to hold the masses over.
This is pretty solid. Though we should remember to keep the two people who received PM's in our heads regardless of how PowerOverhwelming flips.
While it seems to fit, don't you think that that flag is only half red? Imo the flag is a third blue. But not two thirds red. Perhaps Pyrr wasn't looking that closely though. I don't know, but are you sure the "jerk in the hockey puck hat" isn't the clue there?
Anyway, the rolecheck seems to be enough to incriminate PowerOverwhelming. Although we have no accountability on the source. Seems a little risky to put two mafia out there to risk it though. Will check back later, but kinda disappointed that there have only been 14 posts in the last 16ish hours??
I also can't seem to find what could be the clue in the first killing. Could it be the fact that the mafia was charming? Or could the clue be Sacrifice's intelligence and the fact that we should look at his posts? (I don't know if those are even legal clues??? Posts were in Plexa's last game, Pyrr could you confirm that people's posts can be clues or not?)
On August 06 2009 03:47 glugluk wrote: While it seems to fit, don't you think that that flag is only half red? Imo the flag is a third blue. But not two thirds red. Perhaps Pyrr wasn't looking that closely though. I don't know, but are you sure the "jerk in the hockey puck hat" isn't the clue there?
Anyway, the rolecheck seems to be enough to incriminate PowerOverwhelming. Although we have no accountability on the source. Seems a little risky to put two mafia out there to risk it though. Will check back later, but kinda disappointed that there have only been 14 posts in the last 16ish hours??
i just took out my ruler and smacked mah skreen with it
hole flag is roughly 9.1 centimeters
red section is 6.1 centimeters
time for some maths:
here is the formula i will use to find how much red is in flag: red section in centimeter divided by whole flag in centimeters
a random guy just shows up and says that he rolechecked me and I'm mafia. OMG INSTA 100% TRUSTWORTHY LETS LYNCH HIM.
Seriously. How the fuck would the town create a circle of 100% trustables so fast AND get a dt in there. You know what mini network is established really fast? The mafia. The worst part is that people are voting without even posting or questioning. This is the kind of blind leadership that's gotten us killed in the past. Hell, this is as bad as ver's "power play" in the other game where he basically said EVERYONE ROLECLAIM TO ME!!!!!! and half the game did.
Now suppose this mysterious network actually exists. Magically, a dt managed to check me and blindly trust someone to pass the info onto. Now, there's obviously a massive problem with that because the dt could have easily given his role to the mafia, but lets ignore that for now. Let's assume this actually happened.
Even then, people should THINK. I'm a fucking Townie. Why did I turn up red? I could be a miller, but there's a better explanation. Almost EVERYONE in this game knows who I am by now. They know I'm a strong player and want to kill me as soon as possible.
Why didn't they hit me? Easy. Any medic that isn't a complete retard would know I'm important for the town and the mafia knew this too. Hitting me would be too great a risk because of the medics. The other option is to cover me. And that's what they did.
The mafia knows i'm a super strong player and want to use the town to get rid of me without even needing to use their kp. Start posting and quit being fucking sheep.
on the flip side, if you turn up green we have a massive amount of great lynches. either these people out who fake claimed DT and he dies, or the people that claimed a DT pmed them die. 1-2 mafia for your lynching is a sacrifice that you sort of need to accept. unless people are trolling the game, in which we lose anyway.
On August 06 2009 06:04 PowerOverwhelming wrote: Why didn't they hit me? Easy. Any medic that isn't a complete retard would know I'm important for the town and the mafia knew this too. Hitting me would be too great a risk because of the medics. The other option is to cover me. And that's what they did.
On August 06 2009 06:04 PowerOverwhelming wrote: Why didn't they hit me? Easy. Any medic that isn't a complete retard would know I'm important for the town and the mafia knew this too. Hitting me would be too great a risk because of the medics. The other option is to cover me. And that's what they did.
shut up. nobody protected you
did your magic crystal ball tell you that or are you a stupid medic roleclaiming
Ok, it just occurred to me that some retards might actually believe the flag clue analysis.
Good job trying to pin clues on me based on my location. Locations have NEVER been used before to add clues to a game of mafia. We made profiles for a reason. So he could write clues based off them. Guess what? Countries were never a mandatory part of profiles, aka, he's not going to make fucking clues out of them.
Get your heads out of your asses and start posting. It's almost a waste of time for me to argue this because inactivity has pretty much already fucked us over.
Fellow townspeople! Do not be deceived by that who lies right in front of us. The town is stained with the red blood of a jackal, the quick and witty jackal who seeks to escape harm with his sly maneuvers. We must not be deceived, less the jackal escapes from beneath our grasp, from beneath the trap so well orchestrated even the most deceitful of creatures would have succumbed.
poweroverwhelming is indeed a traitor!
Our blue hunters have cornered this evil presence, against the green trees of the town. But our jackal is agile, and he seeks to use these very trees to escape the wrath of our hunters!
We must not be deceived by his plan, less this jackal escape from his cage and once again roam free. Free to again to prey upon unsuspecting rabbits night after night. But what should happen if this jackal turns out to be nothing more than a rabbit? As it has already been mentioned, if poweroverwhelming is nothing more than a rabbit, then from his remains we can trace the trail to the real jackal, who will no longer be able to best our hunters.
Thus it is clear! The death of poweroverwhelming shall lead to the death of a jackal, and with one jackal down our hunters shall no longer be strained! Soon the rabbits of the town shall be able to live peacefully. Do not be deceived by the sly and witty jackal!
Well I promised a wall post which I think I am going to separate into two sections.
The clues and how I interpret them being one, the suspects I link to being the other. Perhaps another section for traits I believe belong to each mafia member.
The sun began to crawl up the eastern skyline of Smurf City to a chorus of sirens, both of the police car and ambulance variety.
Detective Pyrrhuloxia dragged his tired body into police headquarters at 5:00 AM sharp, and couldn't finish pouring himself a cup of coffee before he was forced to look at two murder report folders that were thrust into his hands: the folders, labeled Plexa and Bockit, were mostly empty.
"We're pretty sure the perpetrator or perpetrators are blue," the intern managed.
"Well, no shit, Sherlock, everyone in town is blue! It's a city of Smurfs!" yelled Pyrrhuloxia, now fuming. "If you won't do your job, I guess I'll have to get out there and investigate!"
But before he could leave the room, a red dot appeared on his forehead. A moment later, he was dead.
[end clues]
MAFIA: You need to tell me which one of you will be the godfather will be and what form they will take for the rest of the game by the end of Day 1. It will be randomly selected if you fail to do so.
All smurf accounts should have been PMed a role, PM me if you didn't get one.
Voting thread is open. You're voting on a lynch because there are no elected roles in this game.
I'll start adding important hyperlinks to make things easier.
On August 05 2009 10:28 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: DAY 2 As night fell on the city, rumors and whispers of detective activity began to swirl in the town square.
Elsewhere, Sacrifice was planning the town's response to the vicious mafia attacks. The mafia, impressed with Sacrifice's intelligence, loaded up as a group in to a tinted Suburban and stopped outside of his home. One mafia got out of the car and knocked on the door. When Sacrifice opened it, he immediately started becoming suspicious, but was soon stopped by this mafia's charms. Once Sacrifice had let his guard down, the mafia called for his brethren to enter the house, which was soon painted in blood after a hail of gunfire. Sacrifice's last hope was that he had not died in vain.
MafiaAreJerks certainly didn't betray the name his parents gave him. When he saw that his neighbor's house began to fly a flag that was two-thirds red, he thought he'd check it out. He found that the door was unlocked, and walked inside. After looking around, MafiaAreJerks grabbed his phone and began to look through his address book when some jerk in a hockey puck hat snuck up behind him and did him in.
An aquarium curator, Psychofish sat in his study, reading, when he began to have trouble turning the pages of his book. He was found dead with his nose firmly planted in a book about wizards. Various medications were found in his desk.
[end clues]
Here we have two days sets of clues. I made a mistake reading first days clues, as well as the rest of you. I read there being a single clue. The militaristic mafia who shoots pyrroxhula in the head. That is what it appears as. There was some petty fighting over who it relating to a hindu dot which seems retarded.
I view there as being two clues now. Here are the lines.
Detective Pyrrhuloxia dragged his tired body into police headquarters at 5:00 AM sharp, and couldn't finish pouring himself a cup of coffee before he was forced to look at two murder report folders that were thrust into his hands: the folders, labeled Plexa and Bockit, were mostly empty The clue I see here is that pyrrhuloxia is very tired and has to read. We see a similar theme the next day with Psychofish's death.
"Well, no shit, Sherlock, everyone in town is blue! It's a city of Smurfs!" yelled Pyrrhuloxia, now fuming. "If you won't do your job, I guess I'll have to get out there and investigate!"
But before he could leave the room, a red dot appeared on his forehead. A moment later, he was dead.
This is where the clue is how he died. A red dot on his head, probably meaning a sniper riffle, then he was dead. I think this is a militaristic character. Its just a matter of finding how that is applying to someone. I believe this character also makes another appearance in the following day.
Now we have Day two which went over my head the first read, but when looking further I saw more.
I assumed each kill belonged to a single mafia, which the second day changes entirely. The first kill on Sacrifice was by a group of individuals which implies a minimum of three individuals. I think they are The Charmer, who makes his first appearance now, The Driver, and The Military Man making his second appearance.
Elsewhere, Sacrifice was planning the town's response to the vicious mafia attacks. The mafia, impressed with Sacrifice's intelligence, loaded up as a group in to a tinted Suburban and stopped outside of his home. One mafia got out of the car and knocked on the door. When Sacrifice opened it, he immediately started becoming suspicious, but was soon stopped by this mafia's charms. Once Sacrifice had let his guard down, the mafia called for his brethren to enter the house, which was soon painted in blood after a hail of gunfire. Sacrifice's last hope was that he had not died in vain.
He is overcome by a mafias charm then gunned down by a different mafia.
The next kill is on MafiaAreJerks
MafiaAreJerks certainly didn't betray the name his parents gave him. When he saw that his neighbor's house began to fly a flag that was two-thirds red, he thought he'd check it out. He found that the door was unlocked, and walked inside. After looking around, MafiaAreJerks grabbed his phone and began to look through his address book when some jerk in a hockey puck hat snuck up behind him and did him in.
Someone whose house was waving a flag that was 2/3rds red. As discussed this most likely relates to PowerOverwhelming. If it is him, then there is no need to further analyze this. So we can wait until hes proven innocent or guilty. I guess we can name this guy The Communist but he should be dead soon so who cares.
Now for my favorite one, the kill where I was thinking "wow, theres NO information here." but in reality I think it was the second appearance of a mafia I will call The Sandman
An aquarium curator, Psychofish sat in his study, reading, when he began to have trouble turning the pages of his book. He was found dead with his nose firmly planted in a book about wizards. Various medications were found in his desk.
We see the second incident where a victim is drowsy, the first obviously being pyrrhuloxia before getting shot in the head. The next clue which I think adds on is that he was foudn with various medication in his desk. I think the wizards thing is a red herring, but I am not 100% on that.
The Suspect List
Disclaimer: These are all based off day 1-2 clues. They are for you to consider. I am not saying lynch and kill everyone I have on this list. It is just merely food for thought.
So I believe we had a few names layed out now. We have The Sandman, The Military Man, The Driver, The Sandman, and The Charmer. I am aware I only have 5/6 here. I dunno if the 6th mafia is mentioned, if so I haven't caught onto his clues yet.
The Sandman- Characterized by sleeping reading and medication. I saw two profiles that actually linked to it. One in each way.
mOceaNu The kill is interesting because Psychofish never actually sees his attacker, hes just dead. Plain and simple. mOceaNu's quote is lyrics to a song which read "I feel you next to me, breathing in your sleep" he never sees him, and neither does the quote.
I think this is decent strength. Nothing airtight 100% strong. Just a decent link
the other I think could link to The Sandman is KomabaHajime It says hes a medical student, no references to sleep however. This could account for the pills found in Psychofish's desk.
This is also a decent interpretation I think.
Next!! The Military Man- I think I am going to stop after this one and pick up on the rest later, I am tired at the moment and went over the profiles too vaguely to actually get every single candidate. so I am going to do the Militrary Man and do the next 3 later tonight or tomorrow.
SatouxKisei We have a demotivational picture with a guy gaming out a window, could be interpreted as an FPS type gamer which are usually war games, this seems like a decent link to me. Its vague enough. Theres really not many people who link to war very well.
"It's not personal, Sonny. It's strictly business." - Al Pacino
Its probably one of the weaker links. Thats really all for him.
SpoonMan His quote talks about knives, which is pretty weak. However his profile is color coded red green and blue, mafia colors. It could be referencing the war going on within the town. Once again, very weak link. Just putting it out there.
and my last candidate. Scratch that, I just had MasonBob's page open for no reason.
Well the military man was done pretty quick because I am going out, but think about everything else. Everyone should mostly focus on the clue interpration and character profiles.
On August 06 2009 07:43 PowerOverwhelming wrote: Ok, it just occurred to me that some retards might actually believe the flag clue analysis.
Good job trying to pin clues on me based on my location. Locations have NEVER been used before to add clues to a game of mafia. We made profiles for a reason. So he could write clues based off them. Guess what? Countries were never a mandatory part of profiles, aka, he's not going to make fucking clues out of them.
Get your heads out of your asses and start posting. It's almost a waste of time for me to argue this because inactivity has pretty much already fucked us over.
On August 06 2009 06:04 PowerOverwhelming wrote: ok, seriously, WHAT THE HELL
a random guy just shows up and says that he rolechecked me and I'm mafia. OMG INSTA 100% TRUSTWORTHY LETS LYNCH HIM.
Seriously. How the fuck would the town create a circle of 100% trustables so fast AND get a dt in there. You know what mini network is established really fast? The mafia. The worst part is that people are voting without even posting or questioning. This is the kind of blind leadership that's gotten us killed in the past. Hell, this is as bad as ver's "power play" in the other game where he basically said EVERYONE ROLECLAIM TO ME!!!!!! and half the game did.
Now suppose this mysterious network actually exists. Magically, a dt managed to check me and blindly trust someone to pass the info onto. Now, there's obviously a massive problem with that because the dt could have easily given his role to the mafia, but lets ignore that for now. Let's assume this actually happened.
Even then, people should THINK. I'm a fucking Townie. Why did I turn up red? I could be a miller, but there's a better explanation. Almost EVERYONE in this game knows who I am by now. They know I'm a strong player and want to kill me as soon as possible.
Why didn't they hit me? Easy. Any medic that isn't a complete retard would know I'm important for the town and the mafia knew this too. Hitting me would be too great a risk because of the medics. The other option is to cover me. And that's what they did.
The mafia knows i'm a super strong player and want to use the town to get rid of me without even needing to use their kp. Start posting and quit being fucking sheep.
So who the hell are you thats so important? This defense sucked.
The main reason we are killing you IS the role claim. That clue I pointed to could be hit or miss who knows? The main reason IS the role claim. If the role claim is wrong, there is the chance you were a miller, covered, or the godfather which would suck for us. If you come up town aligned heres what we do.
We ask the voice of the DT to come fourth and tell us who it was.
We vigi the DTs mouth, rather than waiting a whole day for a lynch. If we lynch who the mouth says the DT is we risk the mouth just being a liar. I think the chance of the mouth being mafia is very very low, but its a precaution we would have to take and clear up this potential fiasco as soon as possible to get us back on track with minimal confusion.
However until I see something compelling happening that flips my world upsidedown you are the lynch candidate. Also this is a smurf game, shouting "I AM ACE, VER L, SHOWTIME!, JESUSFUCKINGCHRIST means jack shit and won't save you. Present a logical reason and present a better target with valid reasoning and we will see about not lynching you.
However as a warning, time is against you now, I suggest making haste if you plan to see the next day.
On August 06 2009 03:47 glugluk wrote: While it seems to fit, don't you think that that flag is only half red? Imo the flag is a third blue. But not two thirds red. Perhaps Pyrr wasn't looking that closely though. I don't know, but are you sure the "jerk in the hockey puck hat" isn't the clue there?
Anyway, the rolecheck seems to be enough to incriminate PowerOverwhelming. Although we have no accountability on the source. Seems a little risky to put two mafia out there to risk it though. Will check back later, but kinda disappointed that there have only been 14 posts in the last 16ish hours??
i just took out my ruler and smacked mah skreen with it
hole flag is roughly 9.1 centimeters
red section is 6.1 centimeters
time for some maths:
here is the formula i will use to find how much red is in flag: red section in centimeter divided by whole flag in centimeters
here is new formula i will use: red section in inches divided by whole flag in inches. 2.4 inches / 3.6 inches
this is 0.666666
hurr durr
on my screen its 3 cm for the red 5.5 for the whole flag = .5454??? screen distortion ftw?
Anyway I'm getting sick of this game. Hardly anyone is talking, and the game is hardly "smurfy" at all. If you're going to say "oh I'm important and everyone knows who I am" why bother playing a smurf game? If people are going to spend all their time talking about who is who why play a smurf game? Imo the smurf experiment has failed. No activity and too much discussion tied to who is who. Oh also this is why the cover mechanic isn't that interesting. Person just says I'm important and I was covered. Nice defense there. Anyone could have done it.
I don't get why a bunch of morons are talking behind the scenes.
Why don't you just shout "hey I might have a role, kill me." In the thread. Maybe it will pick up after the overwhelming lynch. Even if people know each other, there is still no reason to NOT talk in the thread.
Yea talking behind the scenes is no fun, we all got to be more active. layoffrage that was an excellent clue post there. I really like the SatouxKisei link. Makes a lot of sense. We need more of it. The military man/SatouxKisei fits well but the others are a lil tenuous. Wizards does seem like a red herring, but we might need another day to understand the sand man figure. It'd be super cool to hear some other opinions on this stuff though. Everyone start talking!
You listed sandman twice by the way So only 4/6 mafia members have been shown ?
One thing I noticed was that the clues said Sacrifice was intelligent and impressed the mafia. Does this mean he was a good player? Or that he was a powerful role? We might've lost a dt guys
Right now I think we can trust the dt and lynch poweroverwhelming. He's not exactly convincing either. Who is he anyway? Why would someone cover him rather than keeping a mafia member safe? We need everyone to post good clue analysis to find people to rolecheck, not sit on their high horse touting how awesome they are.
But yeah if poweroverwhelming turns up falsely accused we just kill whoever lied about him being mafia. Seems like a simple way to do it. Im likin how roflsupplecakes thinks.
Theres a couple reasons I'm wary of the poweroverwhelming lynch.
1. no connection to the "jerk in a hockey puck hat" clue, at least that I can see. I think we can all agree that it is not a red herring?
2. Look at the guys saying they were in the 'mini network' - upeth and MasonBob. Now MasonBob made some good yet ill-formatted posts after a weird reply to Acidic Pirate and we have no idea what could have been said in the PMs. But if I put myself in the shoes of a DT, would I PM those players based on their posts in the thread so far? Doubtful.
You guys are saying "lynch PO, if hes townie side we kill MB." The problem is the worst case scenario here is pretty damn terrible for us and there's two ways for it to happen: PO was covered or is a Miller. Then we have to lynch MB to make sure he isn't a mafia - what are the chances that MB is town aligned as well? We already missed one lynch...
It might benefit us to just vigi hit him, especially since there was a 2nd person that confirmed the PM sent about PO being mafia.
Posting for the record, of course:
On August 05 2009 09:17 MasonBob wrote: so my mini network contacts have served me well and i have gotten word from a friendly dt that role checked on poweroverwhelming telling me that he is a red
not happy with the snake fellow leaving but i was also informed he was a bad player so its not a huge loss to our cause
On August 05 2009 09:24 upeth wrote: I'm also part of the mini network and got the same pm. Overwhelming is red.
*There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check.
You're too confident for your own good. I'm town :\
Bratia and moceanu have been on my small list of suspects this game as well - for some contentless posts and the best[alive] vote, respectively.
PowerOverwhelming I don't know - his defense was rather thin, but the circumstances behind the rolecheck/dt claim strike me as very odd. I think the possibility of him being covered/miller is also being foolishly under-discussed. What do we do if that happens? We pretty uch have to kill masonbob and maybe upeth, and if that turns up dry where do we go from there? I'll at least vote for double lynch, we need to get that shit rolling and town needs to be voting for it.
Also if I were mod I'd have you offed for blatant disregard of the OP even after players asked you to stop ^_^
On August 06 2009 21:38 mOceaNu wrote: *There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check.
No, we would have to kill them. if they are mafia "holding off" kinda loses the game for us
with that in mind however, I would say only 1 of them is mafia at most. There's be no good reason (that I can think of right now) for 2 mafia to poke their heads out and draw attention to a rolecheck situation where they could both be implicated.
On August 06 2009 21:38 mOceaNu wrote: *There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check.
No, we would have to kill them. if they are mafia "holding off" kinda loses the game for us
with that in mind however, I would say only 1 of them is mafia at most. There's be no good reason (that I can think of right now) for 2 mafia to poke their heads out and draw attention to a rolecheck situation where they could both be implicated.
Well if that's the case wouldn't one of them have said that they were unsure as to how the other got that information? Of course mafia probably infiltrated this group so there's always that option.
So with the death of PO: Do we want to try and vigi hit someone if PO turns green (mason or upeth)? Who is getting protected tonight regardless of outcome? Has the other detective come out to anybody yet, what will be the moves tonight? And who is in these groups? and if they could share some information that would be great since there's a bunch of us still in the dark.
Also are we going to go ahead with the double lynch for tomorrow? I'll throw my vote in there if we have some steady leads.
this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
On August 06 2009 21:38 mOceaNu wrote: *There is always the probability that PO could be the miller, but if that's the case then we hold off on masonbob and upeth, since we don't know if that was mafia getting us to kill or in fact a DT check.
No, we would have to kill them. if they are mafia "holding off" kinda loses the game for us
with that in mind however, I would say only 1 of them is mafia at most. There's be no good reason (that I can think of right now) for 2 mafia to poke their heads out and draw attention to a rolecheck situation where they could both be implicated.
Well if that's the case wouldn't one of them have said that they were unsure as to how the other got that information? Of course mafia probably infiltrated this group so there's always that option.
Given the reliability of town circles in the past I wouldn't be surprised if there was a mafia in it.
So with the death of PO: Do we want to try and vigi hit someone if PO turns green (mason or upeth)? Who is getting protected tonight regardless of outcome? Has the other detective come out to anybody yet, what will be the moves tonight? And who is in these groups? and if they could share some information that would be great since there's a bunch of us still in the dark.
1. I would think so, yes. If PO flips town I'm sure Mason/Upeth will have something to say about it. 2. I would protect players like LayOffRage, Spoonman, best(maybe) 3. Dunno. If someone is in contact with the other DT I'm sure they will only post about when the time is right. 4. Why would anyone answer that? Posting the names of players in PM networks helps only the town.
Another option is to lynch someone else today and do a clue check on the flag clue to PowerOverwhelming. It is not a good option and we probably shouldn't do it, because of the unreliability of clues.[/QUOTE]
well the word of mouth came from a dt through one of our now dead players so im not sure what we can do to get to the dt since it was through a dead person that had the contact upeth was also a third party to the dt through the dead guy so again not sure what to do so we can get the dts head if he was deceitful i like that flag analysis clue bit though it doesnt seem like pyrrs style of quotes considering what he did to the newbie game with google clues hope it fans out though as id hate to have been misinformed
On August 06 2009 23:05 StoneForest wrote: this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
Well WTF do you want me to do? I'm not an admin so I can't edit or ban or anything and I can't PM Plexa twelve times a day to fix all this shit. I guess I can strike anybody that does it from now on with lightning, is that what you want?
On August 06 2009 20:57 BarBaPoPPa wrote: Right now I think we can trust the dt and lynch poweroverwhelming. He's not exactly convincing either. Who is he anyway? Why would someone cover him rather than keeping a mafia member safe?
Forgot to mention earlier that cover only makes town players check as mafia, it doesn't work the other way around.
On August 07 2009 03:34 MasonBob wrote: well the word of mouth came from a dt through one of our now dead players so im not sure what we can do to get to the dt since it was through a dead person that had the contact upeth was also a third party to the dt through the dead guy so again not sure what to do so we can get the dts head if he was deceitful i like that flag analysis clue bit though it doesnt seem like pyrrs style of quotes considering what he did to the newbie game with google clues hope it fans out though as id hate to have been misinformed
Brilliant. The DT's mouth is dead. Which means the info is obviously mafia defiled. Typical mafia strategy, pass on DT information then kill the mouth. No trace back to the mafia. Anyway, even if that didn't happen, we need to know if the DT told anyone he was going to make that check before it happened. If he did we're screwed because of the high chance he told a mafia who just covered him. And why are we calling for double lynch? Is it just because bEsT says he got 4? Seems like this town will just trust anything anyone says. I could think about it but I dont know if I want to waste my effort on this town.
On August 07 2009 03:34 MasonBob wrote: well the word of mouth came from a dt through one of our now dead players so im not sure what we can do to get to the dt since it was through a dead person that had the contact upeth was also a third party to the dt through the dead guy so again not sure what to do so we can get the dts head if he was deceitful i like that flag analysis clue bit though it doesnt seem like pyrrs style of quotes considering what he did to the newbie game with google clues hope it fans out though as id hate to have been misinformed
Brilliant. The DT's mouth is dead. Which means the info is obviously mafia defiled. Typical mafia strategy, pass on DT information then kill the mouth. No trace back to the mafia. Anyway, even if that didn't happen, we need to know if the DT told anyone he was going to make that check before it happened. If he did we're screwed because of the high chance he told a mafia who just covered him.
I pretty much agree with you here.. Keep in mind it's also possible that one of the dead players was the DT and pretended to pass information indirectly. It could explain why the actual DT has not said anything yet. If PO flips town, should we trust that Mason and upeth were really just 3rd parties and leave them alone? I don't really know yet... The only way of knowing whether the DT told anyone who he was checking is from the DT himself, so if he doesn't say anything we have to act without that knowledge. Still, PowerOverwhelming is one of the 'power players' of past mafia games and the mafia may have covered him simply because of that.
And why are we calling for double lynch? Is it just because bEsT says he got 4? Seems like this town will just trust anything anyone says.
Because the longer we wait for double lynch, the harder it is to pass it as townies die b/c we need 1/2 to vote for it to pass. However, we do only have 2 double lynches. Tomorrow, there will be new clues/deaths, PO may be dead, and this might be enough information to make a double lynch useful. Best made a list of 4 people and said they were all mafia, but without any evidence/argumentation it is not very convincing. Not to mention that I'm on the list and am a townie, so he could have made other mistakes as well.
It really comes down to gambling that we'll have good enough information to lynch right tomorrow, or waiting another day. If we don't use it soon (ie withing 1-2 days) we risk falling behind especially if we miss lynches today or tomorrow.
I could think about it but I dont know if I want to waste my effort on this town.
Yeah, morons like us could never hope to understand the staggering intricacy of your genius veteran plan.
On August 06 2009 23:05 StoneForest wrote: this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
Well WTF do you want me to do? I'm not an admin so I can't edit or ban or anything and I can't PM Plexa twelve times a day to fix all this shit. I guess I can strike anybody that does it from now on with lightning, is that what you want?
honestly why even pay him any mind? The game isn't ruined due to anything you did. He's just QQing. best[alive] has been rather tame, I've done nothing wrong, and like you said you can't due anything outside run the game. Tell him to go fuck himself :/
On August 06 2009 23:05 StoneForest wrote: this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
Well WTF do you want me to do? I'm not an admin so I can't edit or ban or anything and I can't PM Plexa twelve times a day to fix all this shit. I guess I can strike anybody that does it from now on with lightning, is that what you want?
honestly why even pay him any mind? The game isn't ruined due to anything you did. He's just QQing. best[alive] has been rather tame, I've done nothing wrong, and like you said you can't due anything outside run the game. Tell him to go fuck himself :/
He can fuck himself but you can too if you post with your main again. Stop.
About the PO lynch. If he actually comes back innocent and we are all pissed off we have some benefits here.
First, we need double lynch activated to make sure that we can clean house if anything goes wrong, and we might as well use it because Day 3 is a good time to lynch two people.
So with that said EVERYONE VOTE FOR DOUBLE LYNCH Double lynch will take effect on Day 3 voting and by then I am sure we will have two more candidates to kill off, regardless of whether or not its the DT/Morons.
The next thing we need to put out there, there is NO WAY to confirm whether or not PO is or is not the Miller when he dies, or whether he was covered.
The chance of PO being covered and innocent is VERY low imo. The cover ability is useful to make sure you can put two mafia out there without worrying about checks too much. So instead of just having your godfather actively posting, you can have multiple people posting.
Last game Pyrr and Chezinu were covred mafia and godfather, pyrr was checked almost immediately but was covered, from there it was played perfectly to a mafia victory. There is a better chance of that happening in that game then the mafia deciding "IN A SMURF GAME I BELIEVE PO COULD BE SOMEONE IMPORTANT SO WE ARE GOING TO COVER HIM AND HOPEFULLY HE GETS CHECKED."
That is stupid, I would rather protect one of my own, than try to implicate another. Without any infiltration or guaranteed checking on him its a wasted cover. If they pulled it off it would be a great move, but still seems like a long shot.
Directed at BarBaPoPPa The 5 candidates I spoke of were The Driver, The Sandman, The MilitaryMan, The Charmer, and to a MUCH lesser extent The Communist. If PO dies tonight, I expect him to be the communist with the flag clue.
Directed towards Azura its understandable to be wary, but the situations you presented of him being covered are very unlikely and the odds of him being the miller are like 1/30. I will take that check as proof enough to kill him. The rest of your logic is flawed, I understand that hockeypuckhat is probably a clue, but thats not the main reason for killing him. Its the DT check and the flag.
and to Best[Alive]'s mafia list. I hate how you are going about this game, stop trying to destroy the integrity please. But with that information before us, I recommend the DT's begin checking the people on that list.
The list is this.
1. PowerOverwhelming 2. Bratia_Karamazovy - they decided to make Matt the GF 3. Azura 4. mOceaNu
I request that Azura be checked first. He was making a lot of sense and posting well until this incident with PO. To me it is kind of suspect behavior.
If PO dies and comes up red, the first check should be on Azura. To attempt to not get checks to overlap, the DT in the circle should check Azura to confirm what he is, while the other DT should randomly check the list.
The only problem is cover, if Azura is a mafia, chances are he is going to be getting covered after this anyway.
@StoneForest Don't be a prick, pyrr is doing a fine job moderating this game. What do you expect him to do? Get all of our passwords and make sure we aren't sharing our AKA's or something? Even plexa wouldn't be able to stop that. He could probabyl delete bad posts and stuff, but besides that not much else. The game is rolling forward now, so less complaining would be thanks.
Now for another clue interpretation because I have some free time.
The Driver- ReporterSmurf He posted something about being inactive because of a camp or whatever, iirc.
in his porfile it reads this. "Ready to Roll Out Report" the sound a tank makes which is striped out, reporters who are on a scene usually arive in a news van, so I think ReporterSmurf is a very good candidate for The Driver. But more clues would be great too :D
thats actually all I really have for the reporter, someones picture had a stroller and another persons quote mentioned pizza. Strollers have 4 wheels and Pizza delivery people have cars. But that is so weak I didn't even bother linking it I think it was Bratia_Karamazovy and Lucia.
I have been suspecting mOceaNu for a long time as well, the clue analysis and the behavior analysis seem to be enough.
On August 03 2009 21:27 mOceaNu wrote: Just read 12 pages of nothing, thanks for that. bEsT[Alive] all you're doing is screaming like a baby to avoid getting lynched, and in the vote thread you vote for OneSnakeOnATrain. Why and What could those reasons be?
Tries to cause suspicion regarding best[alive] who most of us regard as obvious town.
On August 04 2009 01:45 PsYchOFisH wrote: People are voting for the people who roleclaimed veteran. That is fucking idiotic. Ignore them. If their red they will give themselves away eventually. If not we didnt kill someone the mafia have to waste 2 hits onto kill.
On August 03 2009 23:08 Azura wrote: Looks like the mob is using the acridity of best's posts as an excuse to vote for him.
I agree. I'll follow best for now. everyone vote for OneSnakeOnATrain. At least the town gets to choose the lynch instead of the mafia sprinking in votes and making sure a townie dies. best is a arrogant ass but hes the only one not spamming the thread with useless shit
A post from psychofish, who for some reason mafia want dead. Also has some behavior from StoneForest, but I will try to address that later.
On August 04 2009 21:54 mOceaNu wrote: hay guise lets listen to the loudest people here they know what they're talking about.
Not a great attitude, does not scream "mafia" to me but can still be noted.
On August 04 2009 22:02 SatouxKisei wrote: the number of times a mafia member has snuck by with a few posts looking an innocent as possible dwarfs that of when they are actively posting, showtime! and caller being a few exceptions.
so it couldn't happen in this game? Where we supposedly don't know the playing style of the other players in this game?
best[alive] is pulling the same Ace bullshit he does every game, regardless of role. We're going to listen to him? I'd rather not...
Following the same themes as previously mentioned.
The Sandman- Characterized by sleeping reading and medication. I saw two profiles that actually linked to it. One in each way.
mOceaNu The kill is interesting because Psychofish never actually sees his attacker, hes just dead. Plain and simple. mOceaNu's quote is lyrics to a song which read "I feel you next to me, breathing in your sleep" he never sees him, and neither does the quote.
I think this is decent strength. Nothing airtight 100% strong. Just a decent link
LMAO at the babies crying wolf. That's what you get for practically doing everything for the Town. You're welcome! :D
Mafia is a lot like Survivor: Outwit, Out play, and Out last. It's not my fault if you don't know how to play. You pllaaayyyy to win the game! Once the game is over you will see how I figured every red out for yourself. Everything I did to collect them was within the rules.
EDIT: With that said, my list is narrowed down to 12 atm (2 people on this list are mafia). I know everyone else.
Vig should take out Acidic Pirate or Bratia tonight. (A.P. was on our shortlist too; we just confirmed it.)
On August 06 2009 23:05 StoneForest wrote: this game is already ruined due to very poor moderating, too many jackasses aka bestalive,ace, etc going around posting thinking they can just post/do whatever.
Well WTF do you want me to do? I'm not an admin so I can't edit or ban or anything and I can't PM Plexa twelve times a day to fix all this shit. I guess I can strike anybody that does it from now on with lightning, is that what you want?
honestly why even pay him any mind? The game isn't ruined due to anything you did. He's just QQing. best[alive] has been rather tame, I've done nothing wrong, and like you said you can't due anything outside run the game. Tell him to go fuck himself :/
i didnt say that you could do anything, but it was still ruined because it was hardly a smurf game.
The town followed the rumored detective activity and strung up PowerOverwhelming. Townies celebrated, while some began to clamor for further justice, done vigilante style.
Night will end 10:00 KST tomorrow.
The following people did not vote and are one missed vote from being smited:
Excellent! Folks it is time to start claiming your roles to me to complete our list.
We will be using up some more RCs tonight to verify our next hits.
A few players have already stepped up. Now it is your turn!
Acidic Pirate is already taken. We will dance around the pool of blood he leaves. I ask the other Vig to hit big, bad Bratia tonight. Our team is almost certain he is the GF this game.
Victory is close at hand! It's time to grab your pitchforks!
EDIT: For those who didn't vote, for shame. Doesn't look like we will be able to use the Double Lynch tomorrow. Never fear! Azura will pay the price for his crimes tomorrow!
On August 07 2009 11:31 bEsT[Alive] wrote: UPDATES
Excellent! Folks it is time to start claiming your roles to me to complete our list.
We will be using up some more RCs tonight to verify our next hits.
A few players have already stepped up. Now it is your turn!
Acidic Pirate is already taken. We will dance around the pool of blood he leaves. I ask the other Vig to hit big, bad Bratia tonight. Our team is almost certain he is the GF this game.
Victory is close at hand! It's time to grab your pitchforks!
im curious as to how you think i am gf
first you think im mbh
now you think im mafia
someone in your party, and im guessing its you, is really bad at this game
Hmm, if everything best[alive] says comes true, then wonderful.
However, what'll we do if the people on his list don't turn up red? Then it's very likely that either he has wrong information (which doesn't seem to be likely, considering how confident he is in his information), or is a member of the mafia trying to mislead the town.
In any case, since I'm apparently dead anyway, let's see how far we get with best[alive] leading the town.
I think by that post alone, you're proving that your mafia. You're already resigned to not proving that your innocent. The way you talk seems a bit scummy.
By the way, detective role checks aren't entirely 100% because of cover.
There's no way you know 100% that I am mafia.
That being said, there's still time for whoever is vigi'ing me to call it off.
Why not just let me live another day, role check me again, and if I still turn up mafia, then kill me then?
Three scenarios: It shows I'm mafia again (and I am mafia...which I'm not), then great, we killed one. It shows I'm mafia again (even though I'm not), then we've wasted one of our vigi hits on a green, and the mafia waste another cover for that night. It shows I'm green (like it should), then mafia wasted their cover on me and now you know I'm town.
So, why not let me live for one more day, and if I role check mafia again, vigi (or lynch) me? No point wasting one of our two vigi hits on a green. We need to save our vigi's for 100% sure mafia.
On August 07 2009 12:52 ReporterSmurf wrote: I think by that post alone, you're proving that your mafia. You're already resigned to not proving that your innocent. The way you talk seems a bit scummy.
On August 07 2009 12:56 Acidic Pirate wrote: By the way, detective role checks aren't entirely 100% because of cover.
There's no way you know 100% that I am mafia.
That being said, there's still time for whoever is vigi'ing me to call it off.
Why not just let me live another day, role check me again, and if I still turn up mafia, then kill me then?
Three scenarios: It shows I'm mafia again (and I am mafia...which I'm not), then great, we killed one. It shows I'm mafia again (even though I'm not), then we've wasted one of our vigi hits on a green, and the mafia waste another cover for that night. It shows I'm green (like it should), then mafia wasted their cover on me and now you know I'm town.
So, why not let me live for one more day, and if I role check mafia again, vigi (or lynch) me? No point wasting one of our two vigi hits on a green. We need to save our vigi's for 100% sure mafia.
Oh, and have the other DT role check Bratia as well. Same three things:
Vigi us both the next night, if you want, if we both turn up mafia. But that means we don't have any vigi hits left.
So, if either one of us turns up red one day and green the next (me for sure, though it could happen for both), then I've just saved the town two vigi hits.
It shows that you're willing to work towards proving that you're a townie. Proving that your innocent, when you are innocent, is priceless. Yet you seem to be unwillling to do anything to prove that you are innocent.
ugh...why did you have to mess up my copy pasting methods...
On August 07 2009 12:56 Acidic Pirate wrote: By the way, detective role checks aren't entirely 100% because of cover.
There's no way you know 100% that I am mafia.
That being said, there's still time for whoever is vigi'ing me to call it off.
Why not just let me live another day, role check me again, and if I still turn up mafia, then kill me then?
Three scenarios: It shows I'm mafia again (and I am mafia...which I'm not), then great, we killed one. It shows I'm mafia again (even though I'm not), then we've wasted one of our vigi hits on a green, and the mafia waste another cover for that night. It shows I'm green (like it should), then mafia wasted their cover on me and now you know I'm town.
So, why not let me live for one more day, and if I role check mafia again, vigi (or lynch) me? No point wasting one of our two vigi hits on a green. We need to save our vigi's for 100% sure mafia.
you want us to waste another rolecheck on you?
Hey, you're being vigi'd as well, and since you aren't trying to defend yourself, are you mafia?
The way I see it, vigi'ing us both tonight costs our only two vigi hits. If we delay it by one day, the others could see that we're not mafia (I'm assuming you're not, here), and thus save our vigi hits. By delaying our deaths, we save our guaranteed vigi hits.
And hell, if you're (best[alive]) so sure I'm mafia, why don't you lynch me instead of using a vigi hit? We should save vigi's for the end game anyway, and if I'm mafia, great, you've killed a mafia member without using a vigi.
This way, at least we can save our vigi's for people we 100% know aren't being covered by mafia.
FUCKING FLOOD CONTROL
@Incognito (oops, wrong account!), if we both flip red again, then I guess you should feel even more confident that we're mafia. The way I see it, isn't it worth saving our two vigi hits to potentially not waste them on greens? If we are mafia (and come up mafia again after rolechecks), then use vigis on us the next night, or just call a double lynch and lynch us both.
Oh, and my first post wasn't a resignation that I was mafia, it was pretty much a placeholder to tell people that I was going to go and defend myself later. I wasn't very clear, apparently <_<
First of all, assume the possibility that I'm town and being covered. I can't speak for bratia (who may legitimately be a mafia member), but I am personally green.
That being said, the vigi hit will be wasted on a green (me), and we don't have any more later on in the game.
Now, why not wait until tomorrow? Mafia only have one cover. So, if one of us legitimately IS town, then that person will flip green the next day (unless the mafia decide to cover me again, thus wasting their cover). Now I've just saved us at least one vigi hit (which we can use later on).
That being said, if we both turn up mafia again, then just kill us outright with vigis, or save them and double lynch us (save our vigis for later).
Either way, by delaying my (I guess our) death(s), the town saves a vigi hit. There is the chance that yes, we're both mafia. Great, we used our vigis wisely. But is best[alive] 100% sure? if not, then we should just play it safe and delay until we know beyond a shadow of a doubt that I'm "mafia" (by the way, I'll turn up green on the next role check unless mafia cover me again).
On August 07 2009 07:43 PowerOverwhelming wrote: layoffrage, you fail miserably at this game
cover: "he mafia will have the ability to Cover one innocent player each day"
the mafia can't cover mafia to make them look innocent
seriously, shut the fuck up if you can't even read the rules
Fuck your, right I am so dumb. They definitely knew you were the innocent getting checked.
On August 07 2009 10:44 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Night 2
The town followed the rumored detective activity and strung up PowerOverwhelming. Townies celebrated, while some began to clamor for further justice, done vigilante style.
Night will end 10:00 KST tomorrow.
The following people did not vote and are one missed vote from being smited:
I think I've made it quite obvious to everyone that I am a green townie. Therefore, TIME FOR STEP #2. EVERYONE SEND IN YOUR ROLES TO ME. I AM CONFIRMED GREEN.
Still waiting on people to get their RCs in. Hurry up!!! Ignore the monkeys and let's finish this once and for all. Our sources tell us A.P. has already been RCed and he came out red. 1st Vig is to proceed.
I understand that this mafia game doesn't give a lot of room for you guys to work around as an excuse, but jesus christ, constantly jumping on this "I was covered" crap is ridiculous. We will kill you even if we think you are likely covered just out of principle. If we see red, we kill. If we hit an innocent, well its the risk we take. Trading an possible innocent for a possible red seems like a good deal to me.
But hey GL AP. I'd say valiant attempt but these seems like incoming rape.
It is true. Our vets stunk up this game. You both ought to be shot. You know who you are. GF dies tomorrow. 2nd Vig report for duty. IF YOU HAVEN'T ROLECLAIMED TO ME YET DO SO NOW Hurry the fuck up you useless maggot carcesses!
Here are some pointers to remember for next time:
1. Never post your Smurf Name in MSN. If you feel like using such a silly tactic then pretend to be someone else. i.e. I use POWEROVERWHELMING as my ID to fuck around with people.
2. Remember to check what account you are posting on.
3. If you are a Townie, don't attempt to make useless roleclaims/lies unless many trusted players know beforehand.
Choose your next words carefully. I believe I know who he is already.
Special thanks to those players who made us stay up until 4 AM in the morning. You guys created a big mess for nothing. Congratz my hat goes off to you. With that said, I'm still waiting for those Role Claims to come in.
Acidic Pirate had come over the sea from Austria with his designer shtreimel and antiquated heavy machinery in search of freedom from persecution and a decent life; but, after becoming enamored with the glamor of America, he had fallen into a life of crime. As he began to regret that he had ever left his home country, the emptiness of his materialistic lifestyle caused him to blow his own brains out.
After a hard day at work, thatismanycharacters was ready to kick back on the couch and relax with a few rounds of MUGEN when thought he heard someone rummaging through the other room. When thatismanycharacters found the culprit, he gave up his search and hurled things from the cupboard at their owner. With thatismanycharacters dead from the impacts, the killer cleaned up some of the evidence with gusto and left the scene.
Scared of the increasing mafia activity, MasonBob began racing to build a protective wall around his house. He had read that it would help keep the mafia out, and, once it was completed, he invited Pyrrhuloxia's intern to join him inside. Before the two could hang out and watch the Bricklayer 500, however, the intern was forced to write MasonBob's murder casefile.
You guys, I'm the DT who discovered PowerOverwhelming. Furthermore, I also nabbed us Acidic Pirate. The mafia doesn't stand a chance. It's time to get ALL your roles into me, so I can finish this once and for all. We want to know what you know. Now is the time to pass us every piece of information you have.
If you want to help. Now's the time. You too can support this Town and lead it to VICTORY.
Whoever took/takes a hit you need to let us know ASAP.
Hmm good night. Well as I have said before, the medic who protected someone tonight should role claim to the protected person. They are innocent(99.9%)
The Vigi who killed Acidic Pirate should come forward, you are essentially just another townie now, so theres no harm in doing so. By coming forward you show us what clue was linked to you, which can only really help us. Plus you become a confirmed townie then.
and now for some more clue time!!
Scared of the increasing mafia activity, MasonBob began racing to build a protective wall around his house. He had read that it would help keep the mafia out, and, once it was completed, he invited Pyrrhuloxia's intern to join him inside. Before the two could hang out and watch the Bricklayer 500, however, the intern was forced to write MasonBob's murder casefile.
Hmm, I originally linked the reading/sleep together as The Sandman. Maybe reading refers to ReporterSmurf? I think this actually refers to him. It is pyrr's intern, a lot of people get reporting internships and he is being forced to write the murder case file. Although I think thats where it kind of loses strength its just some food for thought. I saw other things that I thought referred to ReporterSmurf
These clues are kind of tuff, I am going to need more time to look over them. But I think EVERYONE should vote for double lynch. Chances are we will have some candidates this time around, so I think its worth doing.
Who are we thinking for the chopping block so far? I need more time to look over these clues. Probably tomorrow morning, I want to get to sleep now.
Oh wow, Detective Shinigata comes to mind too, Pyrr was supposed to be some sort of police guy (Can't remember exactly) I think it was Sheriff? I guess just more food for thought. That would kind of be clue rape.
Also could the mafa KP have been cut tonight? A mafia died before the other htis which would reduce it to two hits only.
Thanks for intro bEsT[Alive]! Well as you can see Detective Shinigata has a lot of clues on him in comparison to ReporterSmurf. Day 1 clue: the word Sherlock, Day 2 clue: the word detective, Day 3 clue: the intern strikes again
With so much evidence I say we should lynch LayoffRage and Smurfette.
This has been news from the most unbias and most undrivel smurf news organization. Thank you reading and have a great double lynch!
also to confirm my hit did go through, so mafia did attempt to hit someone else (vet or townie under med protection) unless I'm missing something in the rules.
The mafia cannot afford to lose anymore team members. Surely, they would want someone working in the inside. We've taken some measures against this. I almost know everyone's true ids. With exception to a few. So, if there are any rats they will be easily caught. I will tell you right now, it feels like a few of our most trusted members have been sniped one by one. That is why I recommend you guys look at players like Upeth. Look at the players who have contributed very little.
We have quite a few leads at the moment. I will post those later though. Let's wrap this up soon ^_^
On August 08 2009 19:08 bEsT[Alive] wrote: The mafia cannot afford to lose anymore team members. Surely, they would want someone working in the inside. We've taken some measures against this. I almost know everyone's true ids. With exception to a few. So, if there are any rats they will be easily caught. I will tell you right now, it feels like a few of our most trusted members have been sniped one by one. That is why I recommend you guys look at players like Upeth or Bratia. Look at the players who have contributed very little.
We have quite a few leads at the moment. I will post those later though. Let's wrap this up soon ^_^
Good sir I am more than confused by the inconsistency of your statements. At first Bratia was to die by the hands of our esteemed vigilante's during the night. Then, at the last minute when death was at his door, the hit was called off. Now we are told to once again look at Bratia? I do not know whether you want his blood to spill at the guilotine or not. I believe Bratia to be suspicious so I am going to vote for him, less this confusion clears my weary brain.
Good Sir, there's a good reason whhhhy it was called off. I assure you. If you were smart you would understand whhhhy!
My other post was simply to promote more activity. I already have a good idea of whhhhom we should lynch off, but I rather not act as the single voice of reason. I want to hear both sides respond obviously.
This game started off as an invite game. We got some 'serial' players playing in it. Yes, the core has been busy at work, but there is no reason other players cannot respond.
I'm still waiting for half a dozen players to respond to PMs and to get their roleclaims in.
Don't leeeeave me whaaaaiting! If I wanted to play all by myself I would go to the closest convenience store and buy a dirty magazine.
About upeth... I don't know what best said to him in PMs, but best says he's the DT that rolechecked PowerOverwhelming, and upeth says he was in the mini network that this info was passed thru - so upeth must be active behind the scenes if this is true. He hasn't posted too much in the thread except about glugyuk's vet plan, and we even had mafia members posting against that. I don't have the info that best has on him, so I don't really think he is scum - but on the other hand if he's not contributing / being helpful, there isn't much to gain from keeping him alive either...
On August 09 2009 22:41 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Good Sir, there's a good reason whhhhy it was called off. I assure you. If you were smart you would understand whhhhy!
My other post was simply to promote more activity. I already have a good idea of whhhhom we should lynch off, but I rather not act as the single voice of reason. I want to hear both sides respond obviously.
This game started off as an invite game. We got some 'serial' players playing in it. Yes, the core has been busy at work, but there is no reason other players cannot respond.
I'm still waiting for half a dozen players to respond to PMs and to get their roleclaims in.
Don't leeeeave me whaaaaiting! If I wanted to play all by myself I would go to the closest convenience store and buy a dirty magazine.
Ahhhh your humble response delights me so! All too quickly does our tribe of townspeople have a leader, and a good one at that. Under the direction of such diligence can the mafia scum certainly have no hope.
But I ask thee, O Gracious Leader, why do you not give us direction on who to kill? Yes, hearing the thoughts of the townspeople can surely help make deductions. But among these townspeople are the mafia, who blend in and stalk their prey, as a lion seeks to kill an antelope. And once night has fallen we cannot help but listen to the screams as the lions pounce unforgivenly.
I dare say in response to this argument of such sensible logic, that the inactivity is the result of our O Gracious Leader not telling us who to lynch! And I mean no ill when I speak of thee. The little direction you have given us is simply not enough, say, looking at inactive people. This is why I have chosen our fellow member Bratia to vote for.
Do you not think the town is scared to post in your presence? People are perhaps worried about saying the wrong things and getting accused. I shall hope to provide an adequate example to prove my thoughts: under my eyes, I would like to make an accusation against StoneForest. The reasons I think he is of the malicious mafia are as follows:
First, he is relatively inactive, and his posts are hardly more than one or two sentences. Along the same thought line, he has failed in helping the town seek out the dreaded mafia. Secondly, he chose to abstain against the poweroverwhelming vote. Discussion in the thread had led to the conclusion that lynching poweroverwhelming was greatly in the town's favor, even if he was an innocent rabbit. And yet after the evidence was presented against poweroverwhelming, StoneForest makes an angry post, telling Pyrrhuloxia that he's a terrible host, and saying our O Gracious Leader is an idiot, and then he quickly throws in his abstain vote. Is it not true that he is angry because a fellow mafia was discovered? The hatred runs deep within him, all because a town circle was established and a mafia was revealed. Why is he angry, unless he breathes the red color of blood himself, as does his breathren poweroverwhelming?
Thus so, I do believe StoneForest to be suspicious, and a good candidate for lynch. However, I do must take the blame, for I was scared to make such a public accusation. As the world turns, I am still scared now! For I do not possess the knowledge our O Gracious Leader has, and for all I know our StoneForest is actually a blue role! And if that is true then all shall look at my hands as stained with the evil color of red.
I hope that my thoughts have shed some light into us helping to rid the town of the evil stench of mafia. I shall keep my vote where it is for now, less the town as well as our O Gracious Leader sees eye to eye with me.
lol uch3k that looks like one of those half compelling mafia posts that try to lynch innocents and use tons of colors and a massive amount of words to do it.
On August 10 2009 05:33 LayOffRage wrote: lol uch3k that looks like one of those half compelling mafia posts that try to lynch innocents and use tons of colors and a massive amount of words to do it.
Is it so wrong of me to voice my opinion, in a time of great inactivity? I stated I thought he was mafia and gave ample reasons, all of which are within sound reasoning. The town has no one to vote for, and I merely wanted to see what our O Gracious Leader thought about my thinking to rid the town of the dreaded mafia. If anything, it might give us some leads.
I do believe inactivity is killing the mafia game, pun not intended. I am trying my part to rid the town of this infestatious disease. Inactivity is, after all, the most contagious disease, and the town is experiencing an epidemic of it. Our O Gracious Leader has offered the one and only cure for such a terrible plague, and I have chosen to stand behind him and help every way I can. For this contamination's was brought to our ill fated town by none other than the mafia!
I would also believe that our O Gracious Leader deserves the award for using the most color thus far
Bratia and upeth are the two names brought up for this day, and of the two, upeth apparently is part of the town circle, as such im voting for bratia, if things change, drastically my vote will swap. Although with the inactivity of the town, maybe pyrr should give an extension in hopes activity will start up.
Pi I'm waiting for a VERY IMPORTANT PM from a player and they are still MIA. I cannot discuss those details publicly because this would be the turning point in the game.
I must have this info before swinging the vote. Thx.
m right now it's between 3 players. It's very important that I get a reply to this PM.
I recommend everyone abstain for the time being. Thank you.
On August 10 2009 10:19 mOceaNu wrote: best who are the suspects to be lynched? i dont think bratia should be lynched right now. If we could just get rid of uch3k that would be great!
I dare say what do you mean by this incriminating statement? I too, would like to know who seeks to destroy our beloved town, but our O Gracious Leader is waiting on important information.
I have changed my vote following the words of our O Gracious Leader now, but our noose still hangs empty.
Right now we're trying to target the Mobster who killed Sacrifice. 'Charms' is definitely the clue. This leads us to two players:
1. Lucia's cute little hamster picture
2. Smurfette with the pikachu/female connotation.
I hate basing things on clues and this wasn't my original plan when I spoke to the bureau. I hate coin-flips. I rather do something I'm certain of. I know two players who have to go asap.
I need that PM.
Please discuss. I ask everyone to abstain in the meantime so Pi can give us more time. We're trying very hard not to make anymore mistakes.
O Gracious Leader, why must we base our lynch off of clues? Considering it is only day 2 it seems like a high risk plan. Can you be certain the 'Charms' is the definite clue? It seems to me that your intuition based off behavior analysis should prove much more efficient than clue analysis.
Nevertheless, shall we all vote for someone right now? Unless Pyrrhuloxia agrees to extend the day, Bratia is going to be lynched.
Was it intentional? I doubt it. Smurfette has always suspected moceanu for being red. m was the perfect decoy for nabbing A.P. Here's a post she made after I made a list of suspects:
We have to look at this from two perspectives based on the Day 2 clues (yes, I said it.. clues -_-)
If we go with Smurfette... and if 'she' isn't red. Then we still have to figure out if the first kill ties to someone like lucia, roflsupplecakes or even poweroverwhelming (which I highly doubt). Besides that, look at the Intern who died on Day 2. There are less possibilities, for example Detective S. and ReporterSmurf as someone else pointed out before. In fact, I might want to look at who posted that. -.-;; There are many red herrings. Plus, A.P. could have been the one who killed P.F. The reason I say charms is the clue in the first kill is because Pi uses group and mob a lot. You have to read into it.
We need to open the floor up to more discussion. There is another mafia member right in our crosshairs and we're almost certain he's red. That's why I need a response from Pi and the person who must not be named ASAP. I get that PM and we lynch a sure bet rather than a coin-flip or a bo1 game of rock, paper, scissors.
We narrowed the person's ID to a few possibilities. This PM should give us all the info we've been waiting for. Therefore, we will know who to lynch.
Well, I'm glad more activity is picking up, but this simply isn't enough. All I'm trying to do is create more discussion because this is absolute nonsense. There is no reason to hide.
50 minutes left. I'll wait for a response in the meantime.
On August 10 2009 12:31 bEsT[Alive] wrote: 30 minutes and no new pms. wtf lol
Guys I'm bored. Tell me a riddle or something.
You have a barrel of oil, and you need to measure out just one gallon. How do you do this if you only have a three-gallon container and a five-gallon container?
On August 10 2009 12:31 bEsT[Alive] wrote: 30 minutes and no new pms. wtf lol
Guys I'm bored. Tell me a riddle or something.
You have a barrel of oil, and you need to measure out just one gallon. How do you do this if you only have a three-gallon container and a five-gallon container?
fill the 3 gallon fully, empty into the five gallon fill the 3 gallon again, pour into 5 gallon till its full, you are then left with one gallon
not much, drinking coke and watching tv before bed yo
as for a riddle
A dozen Royals gathered round, Entertained by two who clowned. Each King there had servants ten, Though none of them were also men. The lowest servant sometimes might, Defeat the King in a fair fight. A weapon stout, a priceless jewel, The beat of life, a farmer's tool. What are we talking about here folks?
I'll end day at 13:00 KST (less than 15 minutes). I had to extend since I was busy until now. I haven't heard from any inactives in advance about anything so I don't want to extend any longer.
There's no guarantee people will magically show up. All of the inactive players I have gotten a hold of have not become active after I've asked them to do so. So I'll stick by the rules I established. Everyone agreed to tell me in advance if something was coming up and no one did. I got upset last game when Plexa extended the day to help town so I'll stick to the schedule I outlined, I've already given town an extra 3 hours. I don't know why this weekend should be particularly problematic, every inactive I've talked to is either blowing off this game in favor of Caller's or telling me they can't play anymore, so extra time won't help you, Best.
Deciding that the town was too dangerous and boring to live in, most of Smurf City emigrated and the town was downgraded to Smurf Village. A grand coalition of three people secured the lynch of Bratia_Karamazovy .
The following people found Smurf City too boring and decided to emigrate permanently: roflsupplecakes badabing! dontiynchmepiease spoonman
Night will end 10:00 KST tomorrow.
Some more people are probably at risk of emigration I'll look and update this.
i voted for fucking smurfette man. WTF. Seriously. Fuck this game. I quit.
you fucked up your own game Pi good fucking job.
don't even bother hosting another one if that's how you want to admin a game.
Ver's original plan was to kill Upeth today. BC was using DF (Upeth) as a decoy yet it would still result in another red and we wouldn't keep him around anyway. There is a reason we told him jackshit lol.
I'm boycotting this lackluster shit along with the rest of the Town. He PMed them and they didn't reply back.
Ever since Friday I have been trying to promote activity and sent/received or in some cases did not receive PMs back. When you have 1-2 people following votes out of 20 you know there is a problem.
Admins need to be flexible.
Either way fuck this game. The good news is we've got almost every mafia member right.
The core deserves a pat on the back.
GGs everyone. Wish I could say the same for the Administration.
On August 10 2009 13:15 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Game Over. Congratz on all your hard work gone to waste.
Not our problem. It's your's. cutos thanks for the game bud.
Well excuuuuuuse me princess for following the rules that I put together with the help of the half the fucking town. Nobody was advocating for more than 2 days of missed votes before a modkill (I raised it from one). Everybody wanted a strict timeline unless people gave me a good excuse in advance. I thank you for being interested in my game and giving a good effort when so many just blew me off after signing up. I don't know why everyone got bored with this game. I guess the smurf idea sucked; whatever, it wasn't my idea. I didn't run this game any different than my last game and that one went over with flying colors. The noobs showed way more commitment to the game than these supposed veterans. You have a right to be pissed, but not at me.
I've been behind the scenes trying to prod people into posting. One person said they didn't know the game had started four days after it had. Another said he had no idea what to do so he would just do anything. Another said he was losing internet for the next few months; not sure what I'm supposed to do about that.
Oh we gave you a darn good excuse in advance. Like I said, you want to rape your own game? So be it. You are the one who had to do all the work in the end. Not us.
So GG you.
The answer is simple: you post-pone the fucking game. What did I tell you? Did you even bother reading my PMs before you fucking started it?
No. It is your own fucking fault.
Did you read my other PMs prior to making your decision?
No. Once you said you would look at the vote lists at 13:00 KST and make a decision then I PMed you right away telling you what was going on.
Did you respond within the timeframe? No. You did a fucking poor job simply put.
On August 10 2009 13:32 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Oh we gave you a darn good excuse in advance. Like I said, you want to rape your own game? So be it. You are the one who had to do all the work in the end. Not us.
So GG you.
The answer is simple: you post-pone the fucking game. What did I tell you? Did you even bother reading my PMs before you fucking started it?
No. It is your own fucking fault.
Did you read my other PMs prior to making your decision?
No. Once you said you would look at the vote lists at 13:00 KST and make a decision then I PMed you right away telling you what was going on.
Did you respond within the timeframe? No. You did a fucking poor job simply put.
Give it to the fucking mafia.
I mod killed 4 people. They've all been gone 5 days straight now so it's not the fucking weekend. One of the four lost their internet. I can't do shit about that. Another has been active in the other game and on MSN and I've asked him to play and he just won't. Another day won't help BS like that. The other two, I dunno what the story is, but I doubt another 24 hours would help anything.
Yes it would. The one player who had foolishness' ID, blanket would have been around surely.
That is all I needed to nab him and based on my sheet. We would have probably lynched 3 townies at tops and even then they weren't high on our fucking list. -_-
Whatever man, it's your game. GG. The last names you gave us just sealed the deal. I know all mafia now.
On August 10 2009 13:41 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Yes it would. The one player who had foolishness' ID, blanket would have been around surely.
That is all I needed to nab him and based on my sheet. We would have probably lynched 3 townies at tops and even then they weren't high on our fucking list. -_-
Whatever man, it's your game. GG. The last names you gave us just sealed the deal. I know all mafia now.
So I'm supposed to bend the rules to help town and it's not about inactivity at all just about Blanket being tardy. No one waited for mafia when they needed just a second for MBH or the other guy to show up in the last vet game. Have I made fuckups this game? Yeah. But you've yet to name one of them. Also, I now have confirmation that even more egregious cheating has occurred so I'm just going to go ahead and call this game as EVERYBODY LOSES. Plus you've just admitted you were waiting around for blanket to give you the aka you needed which we outlawed for a reason. Is it stupid that we outlawed it? Yeah, because it ends up with stupid situations. But not allowing it would have done even worse shit. Bottom line: we now know smurfing was a shitty idea. Lesson learned.
No man. That isn't even half of it. The point is, there was no activity. I tried my best to promote activity and still. There was just a long weekend. On weekends you should cut some slack. It was literally impossible for me to get a hold of everyone in our core. Even when you mentioned the extension i told you that wouldn't cut it.
Look at the vote times and the amount of votes period.
I told you you would have problems with activity based on the other game alone. Next time listen to reason and delay the game.
Special thanks goes out to BC and his dota playing so the wrong guy got lynched lol ;p
I got quite pissed when L told me what he told me on msn. Either way we were going to kill A.P. that day.
Actually that's wrong Pi. It's always borderline with me. The way I asked blanket was the following: I need to know what you know. What smurfs have you been talking to via pm?
I didn't outright ask for anyone's aka. Caller, Qatol, BC and Ver gave me their's moderately.
With most players it was a guessing game. By the end of Day 1 we had 15 players figured out.
On August 10 2009 13:50 bEsT[Alive] wrote: No man. That isn't even half of it. The point is, there was no activity. I tried my best to promote activity and still. There was just a long weekend. On weekends you should cut some slack. It was literally impossible for me to get a hold of everyone in our core. Even when you mentioned the extension i told you that wouldn't cut it.
Look at the vote times and the amount of votes period.
I told you you would have problems with activity based on the other game alone. Next time listen to reason and delay the game.
Special thanks goes out to BC and his dota playing so the wrong guy got lynched lol ;p
Weekends were never a problem in the noob game; I only modkilled one persyn if I remember correctly. If the weekend was a problem then town should have complained about it in advance, not at the 11th hour. And, as you continue to ignore, the weekend was not the problem in any of the many cases of inactivity I've thoroughly investigated.
On August 10 2009 14:01 Incognito wrote: What was this cheating that was going on?
L had rolechecked Pirate, then died before passing on his info. He then msn'd it or pm'd to showtime, causing the vig hit (note he did this fairly late the next day).
At first he just claimed the other dt gave him the info. Later in msn he confirmed L was the dt and that L was dead.
Thing is showtime. Qatol started that "hes red' train. You didnt ever give me enough to prove i was the snitch as i was never given aka's or roles. We just managed to figure them out on our own.
On August 10 2009 14:01 Incognito wrote: What was this cheating that was going on?
Apparently (and I'm not the one that did the detective work here but I've got some respectable witnesses), night one L checked Acidic Pirate and found out he was mafia, mafia guessed he was a smart player trying to lay low and killed him the same night before he could pass on the info. After he had been sniped, L got Showtime's MSN and told he had RC'd acidic and found him as red. If that's what happened I'm not gonna hold it against him or blacklist him or anything, it's just one thing in a huge pile of things in this game.
Ver and I knew something was up after Day 1. We both agreed it was you and that's why we never gave you akas or roles to begin with lol. Yeah, I figured you would do something like that.
I don't want to give you the reasoning behind it because we want to use it against you next game if need be lol
I'll tell you exactly how it went down.
Once I felt I located some reds, or a few players of consequence I would PM them the following.
To: PowerOverwhelming Subject: HI ACE
Blank text.
REPLY: HI L
From our behavioural analysis Ver and I concluded P.O. was red we got rid of him. This led me to believe L was clean.
I PMed several players with similar msgs like this to a) find their alignment b) find out how good their behaviour analysis was.
The next day I PMed L's real account with the following:
To: L Subject: L, I know you are clean.
Contact me ASAP: colouredpink@hotmail.com
He said no problem and just like that, when he logged on he blurted:
I have very little time so two things
1) I'm already dead.
2) I was a DT and I RCed A.P. He's red. I got to jet man, gl
I just store blankly at my screen in disbelief. A.P. was on the top of my list from day 1. This led to the vig kill and yes, they lost a KP because of it.
I told Qatol, BC, Caller and Ver right away. I couldn't fucking believe it. I was really ticked.
haha, day 1 all we did was hit 2 relatively active yet intelligent players, then one person who did a huge epic post then vanished into thin air. Turns out we got insane lucky with those first day hits.
Oh sorry, you were already dead and not in the conversation t.t
I remember you msging me and saying like, hey man... why no invite? lol
With that said, Special Thanks goes out to Qatol who pretty much text read BC and DF. It was actually him who led Ver to believe they were both red. I thought DF was red too, but obviously misread the alias.
Ver never seizes to amaze me. Even though we had several akas wrong, we were on the right track.
Caller for always giving us a good laugh. He fucking owned me hard when I tried to guess his aka lol.
Good effort overall. I think the players/roles were fairly balanced. Showtime fuck you I'm never playing a game with you again. And before your large ego decides that it's because you're too good at this game, I suggest that you take a look at your "confirmed" list of pretty much non-mafia. Pyrr, thank you for hosting. This must be such a pain in the ass. mikeymoo out.
On August 06 2009 21:57 bEsT[Alive] wrote: I'm just going to come out and say it: this game was too easy.
We got 4 out of 6 pretty much nailed.
1. PowerOverwhelming 2. Bratia_Karamazovy - they decided to make Matt the GF 3. Azura 4. DreamFlower who we believe to be mOceaNu
Perhaps you should just concede now, or do you want to prolong the inevitable?
ok cool let's kill these people. nailed.
I'm not crying. I'm just pointing out I don't want to play with you. It's like playing with the kid who throws a tantrum on the playground. He may be good at tag but he sucks at life.
On August 10 2009 14:42 bEsT[Alive] wrote: Ace when was the last time you ever had an advantage over me in mafia if ever?
Keep dreaming.
Prove me wrong. I dare you to trooper. It's not my fault that you did jackshit all game. SUP?
you mean because I didn't need to do anything? lol? It was pretty funny that from Day 1 people were all trying to bite my style to impersonate me. Come on, how many times did I have to read "THATS ACE!"
And um I always have an advantage over you in Mafia - I don't need to cheat. I don't need to have confirmed secret town circles or PMs or a billion guesses to people's roles to get it. Thats why I always call bullshit when you guys come out of no where with "evidence" - if it's not done in public there's no reason to believe you. That's why after Day 1 I pretty much afk'd the game. It wasn't Pyrr's fault - it was you people who still try to play by cheating. Keep on going on your tirade though it amuses me ^_^
obviously you don't know how the system works now do you?
You call a few players out and you see how they react! You are like so smart MM. M&M's have nothing on you.
I saved all the reds just for you!
Perhaps you should take your own advice.
EDIT: Ace
Get it through your thick skull. I didn't cheat, ok? L released it to me as soon as he logged in and then he logged right out.
You can confirm it with him. I had no idea that he was already dead at the time.
Now then, there's a reason why things are done in private. Because we don't want you kids to know exactly what we're up to.
Anyway, Qatol, Ver, *ahem* Caller and BC *ahem* can confirm every move we made together as a team. Yeah, it was more like Qatol, Ver and myself. It's not easy when you have us paired together. It's okay Ace. Obviously the other game is more than enough for you. Multitasking isn't your specialty. I'll get over myself once you get over yourself. Deal?
On August 06 2009 21:57 bEsT[Alive] wrote: I'm just going to come out and say it: this game was too easy.
We got 4 out of 6 pretty much nailed.
1. PowerOverwhelming 2. Bratia_Karamazovy - they decided to make Matt the GF 3. Azura 4. DreamFlower who we believe to be mOceaNu
Perhaps you should just concede now, or do you want to prolong the inevitable?
ok cool let's kill these people. nailed.
I'm not crying. I'm just pointing out I don't want to play with you. It's like playing with the kid who throws a tantrum on the playground. He may be good at tag but he sucks at life.
Ya Inactivity + Showtime screaming the whole game turned me off. Sorry Showtime but this game really makes me lose my respect for you. Figured it might have been you from one of your posts in the beginning but I was doubting myself after since I really didn't think you would play that way. Apparently I was wrong.
On August 10 2009 14:44 Incognito wrote: When/how much behind the scenes pming with Regular IDs actually happened?
Msn consisted of alot of people on regular ID's talking, but early on alot of the big names were just talking and confirmed eachother pretty well legit and shared smurfs, or at least a few people did. some did roleclaim.
Showtime tried to get alot more names than need be. His screwup though (since he thought i was red) was telling me stuff like
"i just said in game that i had like everyones role but only like 2 people have pm'd me" or "OMG Azura jsut sent me this huge pm block stating that both vets fake claimed" And he told me of L's cheat -_-
basically i got enough out of him to do what i had to.
Also for all those saying smurfettes clues were easy,
sacrifices killer was poweroverwhelming mafiaarejerks killer was acidic pirate, past that i didnt bother figuring out who hit who.
obviously you don't know how the system works now do you?
You call a few players out and you see how they react! You are like so smart MM. M&M's have nothing on you.
I saved all the reds just for you!
Perhaps you should take your own advice.
EDIT: Ace
Get it through your thick skull. I didn't cheat, ok? L released it to me as soon as he logged in and then he logged right out.
You can confirm it with him. I had no idea that he was already dead at the time.
Now then, there's a reason why things are done in private. Because we don't want you kids to know exactly what we're up to.
Anyway, Qatol, Ver, *ahem* Caller and BC *ahem* can confirm every move we made together as a team. Yeah, it was more like Qatol, Ver and myself. It's not easy when you have us paired together. It's okay Ace. Obviously the other game is more than enough for you. Multitasking isn't your specialty. I'll get over myself once you get over yourself. Deal?
nah. The other game is easy too. I just like to sit back these days and watch other people play. I know I'm really good at this game so I don't have to prove anything. You on the other hand seem to be trying very hard to make it to that level and in the process have ruined whatever good reputation you had. I gloat because by now everyone knows I'm joking around and that I really am that good - you aren't. Big difference.
You better not mess with Ace! He is really good at getting elected and getting people to vote a certain way. And he is good at starting cults and....ummm.....what else?
thats nice showtime! I'm sure your friends are really good at Mafia lulz
The mere fact that you were trying to sniff out people's smurfs and got them wrong SO badly speaks volumes about your level of skill. Even after you already know other people's IDs.
Nah, bud. Completely wrong perhaps you should re-read what i said before you make an ass out of yourself.
I simply went around the core asking Qatol, BC, Caller and Ver who they thought everyone was. In other words, it was a combined effort. Say it with me princesss, commmbiiiinnneeed efffffoooorrrtt. Once we felt like we 'pinned' or a good player at that I would send them a message to fucking gage them. Capiche? Do you understand the math? I don't see you posting lists of smurfs before the game host sends their shit in! I only got a feeeeew players wrong you dipshit.
You are a GOOD laugh bud. Next time think before you start talking out of your ass.
There's a reason why I do MOST of my plays behind the scenes. To keep retards like you out.
Oh thanks ...I haven't played in forever hahaha...I was actually granted access to the mafia forum AFTER my smurf was, so I wasn't aware of any of the newish strategies and stuff. >_>
One of my suggestions was to create a fake message board and leak it when some random mafia guy died lol. Not very feasible :D
SatouxKisei's post count had in fact surpassed SugiuraMidori's post count (nonsmurf). Unfortunately, SatouxKisei did not make marine since the game ended so abruptly. Most of the thanks goes to bEsT[Alive] , aka showtime!
This has been news from the most unbiased and most undriveled smurf news organization. Thank you for reading and have not playing!
basically Myself, Dreamflower and Foolishness were all read via messenger chat styles by ver and qatol, so they heavily suspected the three of us as red, but could never figure our smurfs out.
On August 10 2009 15:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Blanket was mbh.
I do know that showtime wanted me to give you up at one point as they were 100% sure you were red (but not what smurf you were).
How does that even work...you know he was red but not which smurf...aren't you supposed to figure it out by the smurf's posts???
Note: this game was balanced. Right?
??? Why are you quoting me? Ya the game would have been balanced...if it were a regular game. This format is pretty much similar to Qatol's last. Which was pretty well balanced. I'm guessing unless people get really bored of the regular game we'll keep using this format. Except probably without smurfs.
lol showtime you are a complete jackass. We were doing decently then you came out of NOWHERE and were like "OKAY GUYZ THIS IS MAFIA WE WILL RAPE EVERYTHING"
Then you proceeded to give NO guidance on who to vote. I voted for double lynch but not a candidate. You can't try to lead the town and not give us 1. A lynch candidate and 2. Reasoning.
You failed to give us both, or at least post it enough. I saw you post for double lynch so that's what I did because I agreed with it. Yeah, you spammed for activity, but didn't fucking contribute or give us something to argue or debate about.
Also your list of mafia sucked, it was worse than my clue analysis, and at least I didn't cheat you douche. Don't blame pyrr for this shit, your the guy who spams the shit out of the thread with bullshit and no guidance when your trying to take a leadership role as the town voice. That is entirely your fault.
I was doing some clue analysis and while some of it was indeed off, eventually they clues would stack up. Your shit relies entirely on information you got from people in a smurf game.
On August 10 2009 15:09 Showtime! wrote: Nah, bud. Completely wrong perhaps you should re-read what i said before you make an ass out of yourself.
I simply went around the core asking Qatol, BC, Caller and Ver who they thought everyone was. In other words, it was a combined effort. Say it with me princesss, commmbiiiinnneeed efffffoooorrrtt. Once we felt like we 'pinned' or a good player at that I would send them a message to fucking gage them. Capiche? Do you understand the math? I don't see you posting lists of smurfs before the game host sends their shit in! I only got a feeeeew players wrong you dipshit.
You are a GOOD laugh bud. Next time think before you start talking out of your ass.
There's a reason why I do MOST of my plays behind the scenes. To keep retards like you out.
I don't go around snooping for smurfs because um..Pyrr asked us not to and I don't need to.
It's ok man keep raging, like I always say prove me wrong. When you can prove that you are better than me at this game then you can talk. There's a reason why I always have a nonchalant attitude when you guys start posting dumb ideas and I start laughing publicly in your face.
On August 10 2009 15:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Blanket was mbh.
I do know that showtime wanted me to give you up at one point as they were 100% sure you were red (but not what smurf you were).
How does that even work...you know he was red but not which smurf...aren't you supposed to figure it out by the smurf's posts???
Note: this game was balanced. Right?
??? Why are you quoting me? Ya the game would have been balanced...if it were a regular game. This format is pretty much similar to Qatol's last. Which was pretty well balanced. I'm guessing unless people get really bored of the regular game we'll keep using this format. Except probably without smurfs.
If the game was balanced then key players had to be on opposing sides.
On August 10 2009 15:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Blanket was mbh.
I do know that showtime wanted me to give you up at one point as they were 100% sure you were red (but not what smurf you were).
How does that even work...you know he was red but not which smurf...aren't you supposed to figure it out by the smurf's posts???
I'm assuming they figured out from Ver, who I leaked information to hinting I was red. Basically how it happened, I had told Ver I was Sacrifice and was dead. He told me he was thatismanycharacters, which is why he died last night. I don't know how/when he deduced I was lying, but by this time I knew he was still in the game. Then I was going to talk to him, telling him that he died because I was mafia, and I was going to list off the remaining mafia as
lucia (me) ReporterSmurf Detective Shinigata KomabaHajime (as the GF, which was actually true)
This was just a rough sketch of my plan, and hadn't been talked over with any of the other mafia. The obvious idea is get the town to waste a lynch/vigi hit on the above people. Who knows how it would've turned out, could've been disaster. At that point though I was really depressed with the game and just wanted it to end.
Comrades, to arms I say, for night is upon us. We have taken on the mantle of protectors of the realm of blue, but to due so requires its metamorphosis into our glorious realm of red. To arms my friends, for we are the masters of the night, we are here to stay and live and die for what is right. We are here to stay, so let us pray, that we all survive till mornings light!
The night light was deep, the town were like sheep, and we decided to bless them with a small treat. We sent three forth in a jeep, and gifted him with a metal hail for the cost was cheap. Quickly there after we heard a deep laughter as a squawk cried out for a cracker. With the last duty to be done, we decided for fun, as the man read a pun, magic was spun forever denying him more sun. The ray of light came up, we all all raised a cup, for further nights we would sup.
The night was back, and before we could attack, we had lost one of our pack. We stood in horror, as the crowd surrounded our florer. Before we knew it, the noose appeared and his head went through it. The knot was hung, and the executioner hit the leaver after he sprung. Our friend gasped for breath, just before he met old man death. We all worry of our plight, and move out into the night, for it is now really time to fight.
I was writing one of those a transition and never got around to the last night hits one
On August 10 2009 15:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: everyone wanted to fuck me over see, the town the mafia, it was all a huge ploy ahhhh
Well, the further part of the plan would've actually saved you. Had they believed that information, they would've received it during the next day, not nightime. Thus would've led hopefully led to the lynch of one of the three that's not you. Once they lynch one and realize they were wrong they would have figured you were clean as well (which a role checked would have also said).
Yeah I know lots of problems with it but that was the basic idea.
@ BC Haha. If it makes you feel better I protted you night 1 Didn't have much time to think about it (internet down) so I just went with my gut. Pity I actually want to kill you for killing me when I SHOULD have been protted...
On August 10 2009 14:45 ReporterSmurf wrote: RoL - PLAYING - LayOffRage
lol I was totally thinking this b/c of intials ROL to LOR
I did this in purpose :D I was actually hoping BC would be innocent and would know.
BC was mafia and knew but not because of the name. I had that smurf for a while, since Plexa's game where I PMed BC with it for something when he had died. I thought he would remember, but he didn't. He accidentally confessed being mafia to me then kind of avoided me after that until best[alive] started being a faggot.
On August 10 2009 15:47 Incognito wrote: @ BC Haha. If it makes you feel better I protted you night 1 Didn't have much time to think about it (internet down) so I just went with my gut. Pity I actually want to kill you for killing me when I SHOULD have been protted...
And to think whats hilarious is i covered you night 1
as well had you on my initial hitlist but pulled you in favour of mikey finding psychofish at the last minute
So what was the idea behind the vet plan then? My thought was that you had to be a vet, and that way it would be easier for you to catch any liars if they claimed. That whole thing seemed to fall apart though :\
On August 10 2009 15:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Blanket was mbh.
I do know that showtime wanted me to give you up at one point as they were 100% sure you were red (but not what smurf you were).
How does that even work...you know he was red but not which smurf...aren't you supposed to figure it out by the smurf's posts???
Its similar to this.
BC told me he was mafia, but not what his actual name was. I knew BC was mafia whole game but not his name. I never tried to learn it because I felt that would ruin the spirit of the game.
CLUE EXPLANATIONS (these are copy/pasted from IM conversations so that's why they are as they are)
the charmer was poweroverwhelming, i was kind of using charm as a synonym for spell at it was referencing the stasis spell of an archon. that mafia also called all the other mafia to his location, a reference to recall (I fucked up and thought arbiters said "poweroverwhelming". Archons are the ones that say that . Oh well he was about to die anyway.) i did the same thing i did last game kind of which is day 1, the clues are single words after that, each death has clues linking to the mafia and some stuff that points to the person that gets killed so any intentional red herrings are stuff that you could sift out by seeing that it linked to the dead person. Example: Psychofish has an aquarium due to the fish in his name. The drugs linked to the fact that he was a psycho or psychologist or psychiatrist or whatever Psychofish's killer was Uch3k Psychofish had trouble turning the pages of his book. What do you do when you have trouble turning pages of a book? Many people lick their fingers. Psychofish did this and was poisoned and died. "There's always hope with water and soap" was a Uch3k quote. If Psychofish had washed his hands he wouldn't have died. Also, the book was about wizards. There's a picture on a wikipedia page about Stonehenge showing Merlin making Stonehenge. When BC first saw that Acidic Pirate was in his mafia group, he said something about how he first saw Ass Pirate before realizing it was Acidic Pirate. So I decided to give him clues about being Hasidic and an Ass Pirate (gay guy). Later I would have given him pirate related clues probably if no one got the joke, but he died next anyway so yeah. a shtreimel is a hasidic hat that looks like a furry hockey puck The two-thirds red flag refers to the Austria flag (that Bruno movie just came out so I thought I would make Bruno references as the other part) Also "snuck up behind him and did him in (the ass)" (parenthetical phrase added just now) Bruno is from Austria so the Austrian flag clue was about Acidic Pirate. Acidic Pirate was killed by Moceanu. I put the austria part to give people a good shot at figuring out who he was in the day 2 post. Also put the actual name of the hat. Called it designer to suggest a gay stereotype. "antiquated heavy machinery" is a Bruno quote (he asks child models to work near them). Moceanu has a picture of a t-rex saying "get money, fuck bitches" this hedonism is what causes Acidic Pirate's suicide. Also, acidic pirate regrets leaving austria and Moceanu had a quote like "i never should have said goodbye" And Acidic Pirate uses a gun to kill himself, the T-Rex in Moceanu's profile has guns shooting off materialistic messages. also moceanu has some girl in a glamour shot and a blingy hat for thatismanycharacters, the red herring of MUGEN refers to a pc fighting game with hundreds/thousands of playable characters. The rummaging through the kitchen cupboard is a reference to cookiemonster. Smurfette's video had a dude in a cookie monster shirt (you could see it in the video thumbnail). He throws a cookie jar at thatismanycharacters and then eats the cookies. "the killer cleaned up some of the evidence with gusto and left the scene" He enthusiastically eats the cookie crumbs but leaves the shattered parts of the cookie jar.
From a conversation with BC / Hajime: yeah you were my intern killed Mason bob cuz you (the character KomabaHajime from Rabbit Doubt) were a detective and student so you were an intern detective i guess also I hinted at the story of the big bad wolf in MasonBob's post, although it also referenced her profile about wall making she suspects you are the wolf the first google result for your name talked about how he (Hajime from Rabbit Doubt) was wrongly thought of as the wolf the wall doesnt keep you out because you arent the wolf
Day 1 word clues sun -> Acidic Pirate's public profile skyline -> Uch3k's picture (someone got this one) blue -> Smurfette (cuz he is blue but not a smurf... a cookie monster!) ambulance -> KomabaHajime, cuz his name is a med student dragged -> upeth's picture, it's a dragon look -> PowerOverwhelming's picture, it's a galaxy that looks like an eye
Worst Day one ever? Top three vote getters were all blue. Town lynches a vigilante (OneSnakeOnATrain / redtooth), almost kills an awesome player who is a veteran (blanket / MrBabyHands), and a detective leads the vote-getting for much of the day (best[alive] / Showtime!). The other veteran, Spoonman (Malongo), tells me he is going to be without internet for the rest of the game. Two people role claim as veterans, neither are veterans. Neither are mafia either. The first is glugluk (Incognito), a FREAKING MEDIC. The other is LayOffRage (RebirthofLegend), a townie. Mafia chooses KomabaHajime (BloodyC0bbler) as godfather, he chooses to be a townie.
NIGHT ONE ACTIONS: Glugluk (Incognito) protects KomabaHajime (BloodyC0bbler), the Godfather. Mafia hit list rough draft is Sacrifice (Shikyo, townie) because he is "insanely intelligent" as well as MafiaAreJerks (L, Detective). Best[alive] (Showtime!) checks PowerOverwhelming (vivi57, mafia) and is told mafia. Mafiaarejerks (L) checks Acidic Pirate (empyrean, mafia) and is told mafia. Mafia covers glugluk. Mafia hits mafiaarejerks (L, detective), Psychofish (Qatol, townie), Sacrifice (Shikyo, townie).
On August 10 2009 15:47 Incognito wrote: @ BC Haha. If it makes you feel better I protted you night 1 Didn't have much time to think about it (internet down) so I just went with my gut. Pity I actually want to kill you for killing me when I SHOULD have been protted...
And to think whats hilarious is i covered you night 1
as well had you on my initial hitlist but pulled you in favour of mikey finding psychofish at the last minute
Hahaha well I guess covering me would have been expected. Although you know nobody would have checked me...
On August 10 2009 15:47 Incognito wrote: @ BC Haha. If it makes you feel better I protted you night 1 Didn't have much time to think about it (internet down) so I just went with my gut. Pity I actually want to kill you for killing me when I SHOULD have been protted...
And to think whats hilarious is i covered you night 1
as well had you on my initial hitlist but pulled you in favour of mikey finding psychofish at the last minute
Hahaha well I guess covering me would have been expected. Although you know nobody would have checked me...
I was initialy planning on hitting layoffrage as you both claimed vet, cover you (so any rc would show red on the off chance a retard got dt), and then use it as you lured a vet out to kill him, etc..
On August 10 2009 15:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: everyone wanted to fuck me over see, the town the mafia, it was all a huge ploy ahhhh
I mean, my plan also stemmed from the fact that I thought the mafia was in a much worse situation then we actually were (I'm sure all the other mafia members felt the same way). Once Showtime made it clear he was the DT, and said he knew nearly everyone, it seemed really hopeless, especially after Acidic got killed. This past day, when I posted talking mainly to Showtime (any place I used O Gracious Leader), it became apparent that Showtime did not have a grasp on the situation. And this was furthered proved by the fact he wanted to lynch based off of clue analysis. If he really knew everyone and everything that was happening there would've been no need for that. This also led me to believe that LayOffRage and glugluk were not actually the veterans. My picks for mafia lynch that night would've been those two, just to see what would've happened.
On August 10 2009 16:17 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: NIGHT / DAY ACTIONS:
Worst Day one ever? Top three vote getters were all blue. Town lynches a vigilante (OneSnakeOnATrain / redtooth), almost kills an awesome player who is a veteran (blanket / MrBabyHands), and a detective leads the vote-getting for much of the day (best[alive] / Showtime!). The other veteran, Spoonman (Malongo), tells me he is going to be without internet for the rest of the game. Two people role claim as veterans, neither are veterans. Neither are mafia either. The first is glugluk (Incognito), a FREAKING MEDIC. The other is LayOffRage (RebirthofLegend), a townie. Mafia chooses KomabaHajime (BloodyC0bbler) as godfather, he chooses to be a townie.
NIGHT ONE ACTIONS: Glugluk (Incognito) protects KomabaHajime (BloodyC0bbler), the Godfather. Mafia hit list rough draft is Sacrifice (Shikyo, townie) because he is "insanely intelligent" as well as MafiaAreJerks (L, Detective). Best[alive] (Showtime!) checks PowerOverwhelming (vivi57, mafia) and is told mafia. Mafiaarejerks (L) checks Acidic Pirate (empyrean, mafia) and is told mafia. Mafia covers glugluk. Mafia hits mafiaarejerks (L, detective), Psychofish (Qatol, townie), Sacrifice (Shikyo, townie).
Night two: hit list was the two greens that died + spoonman (malongo, a vet. malongo had lost his internet during day 1 and told me he couldnt play anymore) moceanu hit acidic pirate. cover was on moceanu. showtime (best[alive]) checked blanket and found he was veteran. He told me he thought blanket was foolishness and mafia. When he saw blanket as blue, he figured blanket was foolishness and godfather but I guess he figured out that was wrong somehow. glugluk protected Best[alive] once again the other medic (scaramanga aka roflsupplecakes) didn't prot anyone even after I asked him through MSN to pick someone he said he didn't know who to pick so he wouldn't pick anyone.
On August 10 2009 16:17 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: NIGHT / DAY ACTIONS:
Worst Day one ever? Top three vote getters were all blue. Town lynches a vigilante (OneSnakeOnATrain / redtooth), almost kills an awesome player who is a veteran (blanket / MrBabyHands), and a detective leads the vote-getting for much of the day (best[alive] / Showtime!). The other veteran, Spoonman (Malongo), tells me he is going to be without internet for the rest of the game. Two people role claim as veterans, neither are veterans. Neither are mafia either. The first is glugluk (Incognito), a FREAKING MEDIC. The other is LayOffRage (RebirthofLegend), a townie. Mafia chooses KomabaHajime (BloodyC0bbler) as godfather, he chooses to be a townie.
NIGHT ONE ACTIONS: Glugluk (Incognito) protects KomabaHajime (BloodyC0bbler), the Godfather. Mafia hit list rough draft is Sacrifice (Shikyo, townie) because he is "insanely intelligent" as well as MafiaAreJerks (L, Detective). Best[alive] (Showtime!) checks PowerOverwhelming (vivi57, mafia) and is told mafia. Mafiaarejerks (L) checks Acidic Pirate (empyrean, mafia) and is told mafia. Mafia covers glugluk. Mafia hits mafiaarejerks (L, detective), Psychofish (Qatol, townie), Sacrifice (Shikyo, townie).
I am not insane.
I dunno I thought the strategy was pretty surprising. I guess it ended up doing no harm though. The "insanely intelligent" quote is from BC so Shikyo should be proud he played well.
On August 10 2009 16:02 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: So what was the idea behind the vet plan then? My thought was that you had to be a vet, and that way it would be easier for you to catch any liars if they claimed. That whole thing seemed to fall apart though :\
It was a stupid fucking idea. The whole vet plan. The reason I called was to let the mafia have a the thought that we could be veterans in the back of their minds and avoid hitting us. While hopefully the other two veterans would remain silent and increase the chance of the mafia hitting them.
Its why after that happened I tried to shut up all thoughts of the vet plan. My goal was to not let it deter the town and it just be a thought in the back of the mafias minds. Glukyuk's plan was so convoluted and complex that it couldn't help the town and hinged on a lot of stuff that most likely wouldn't of happened.
Its why I tried to shush up the whole plan and forget about it after the role call, I knew it was dumb and wouldn't work and figured most people would ignore it afterwords. However the mafia must use all the information they have including that and just hope its true. It will make them second think hitting us and hopefully hit other veterans or medic protected people.
(Glukyuk actually turned out to be a medic which is kind of funny.)
This entire thing failed however. Azura who I was PMing with along with glukyuk told BC that we both faked the role claim which kind of sucks. Almost everything I PMed with Azura (who I talked with most of the time) I also posted in the thread. Mainly about clue analysis and some suspects.
For a little while I actually thought Azura might of been BC, he seemed pretty logical but said something stupid in defense of PO, but when I harassed him about it he changed his mind and admitted it was stupid.
BC somehow knew I was either Glukyuk or LayOffRage after a few days, but knew I faked and they never hit me. My conversations with Glukyuk just consisted of me telling him his plan was stupid and to just hush up about it and let it go by.
I posted my clue interpretations to try to encourage some conversation, but at the same time Showtime! started being a douche bag and playing like a dick. The entire game I did the best I could to respect the rules and not try to sniff out smurfs and phish around on aim for peoples names. BC was a complete accident.
i didnt pm to BC at all this game. i talked to showtime about it cause he was trying to figure out the vets, and i showed him that neither of you guys were vets. he sent that to BC
On August 10 2009 16:02 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: So what was the idea behind the vet plan then? My thought was that you had to be a vet, and that way it would be easier for you to catch any liars if they claimed. That whole thing seemed to fall apart though :\
It was a stupid fucking idea. The whole vet plan. The reason I called was to let the mafia have a the thought that we could be veterans in the back of their minds and avoid hitting us. While hopefully the other two veterans would remain silent and increase the chance of the mafia hitting them.
Its why after that happened I tried to shut up all thoughts of the vet plan. My goal was to not let it deter the town and it just be a thought in the back of the mafias minds. Glukyuk's plan was so convoluted and complex that it couldn't help the town and hinged on a lot of stuff that most likely wouldn't of happened.
Its why I tried to shush up the whole plan and forget about it after the role call, I knew it was dumb and wouldn't work and figured most people would ignore it afterwords. However the mafia must use all the information they have including that and just hope its true. It will make them second think hitting us and hopefully hit other veterans or medic protected people.
(Glukyuk actually turned out to be a medic which is kind of funny.)
This entire thing failed however. Azura who I was PMing with along with glukyuk told BC that we both faked the role claim which kind of sucks. Almost everything I PMed with Azura (who I talked with most of the time) I also posted in the thread. Mainly about clue analysis and some suspects.
For a little while I actually thought Azura might of been BC, he seemed pretty logical but said something stupid in defense of PO, but when I harassed him about it he changed his mind and admitted it was stupid.
BC somehow knew I was either Glukyuk or LayOffRage after a few days, but knew I faked and they never hit me. My conversations with Glukyuk just consisted of me telling him his plan was stupid and to just hush up about it and let it go by.
I posted my clue interpretations to try to encourage some conversation, but at the same time Showtime! started being a douche bag and playing like a dick. The entire game I did the best I could to respect the rules and not try to sniff out smurfs and phish around on aim for peoples names. BC was a complete accident.
There is not really any harm in claiming vet. Since its a role town usually tends to ignore but mafia think about a lot. So even though the plan never went through nothing bad really happened.
On August 10 2009 16:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: i didnt pm to BC at all this game. i talked to showtime about it cause he was trying to figure out the vets, and i showed him that neither of you guys were vets. he sent that to BC
On August 10 2009 16:36 Incognito wrote: Well even when the mafia knows we're not vets, it still limits the pool. Who'd want to kill us anyway? (Except I was a medic )
I was going to push to hit you night 3. Don't know if it would've actually happened, based on what the other mafia members thought.
On August 10 2009 16:32 Incognito wrote: There is not really any harm in claiming vet. Since its a role town usually tends to ignore but mafia think about a lot. So even though the plan never went through nothing bad really happened.
There is plenty of harm if the vet claim is actually legit. It tells the mafia who NOT to hit. Additionally, it tells the mafia that the people they hit were medic protected, which means that the protected player cannot believe a roleclaim from the person who "protected" them since the mafia KNOW it was a medic
On August 10 2009 16:36 Incognito wrote: Well even when the mafia knows we're not vets, it still limits the pool. Who'd want to kill us anyway? (Except I was a medic )
I was going to push to hit you night 3. Don't know if it would've actually happened, based on what the other mafia members thought.
rly? I wasn't doing anything productive this game...kinda slacked off after the plan failed and Showtime started attempting to take over.
On August 10 2009 16:32 Incognito wrote: There is not really any harm in claiming vet. Since its a role town usually tends to ignore but mafia think about a lot. So even though the plan never went through nothing bad really happened.
There is plenty of harm if the vet claim is actually legit. It tells the mafia who NOT to hit. Additionally, it tells the mafia that the people they hit were medic protected, which means that the protected player cannot believe a roleclaim from the person who "protected" them since the mafia KNOW it was a medic
Well ya, I meant fake claim. Except I guess if you do it too often it encourages mafia to do it too? In which case you'd have to care and it would be harmful.
On August 10 2009 16:32 Incognito wrote: There is not really any harm in claiming vet. Since its a role town usually tends to ignore but mafia think about a lot. So even though the plan never went through nothing bad really happened.
There is plenty of harm if the vet claim is actually legit. It tells the mafia who NOT to hit. Additionally, it tells the mafia that the people they hit were medic protected, which means that the protected player cannot believe a roleclaim from the person who "protected" them since the mafia KNOW it was a medic
Well ya, I meant fake claim. Except I guess if you do it too often it encourages mafia to do it too? In which case you'd have to care and it would be harmful.
Well if there is a legitimate Vet that rc's as the third, all three rc's will be under harsh scrutiny.
On August 10 2009 16:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: i didnt pm to BC at all this game. i talked to showtime about it cause he was trying to figure out the vets, and i showed him that neither of you guys were vets. he sent that to BC
I am sorry, I misread that.
showtime fails even harder.
i figured i could trust him w/ the info and that it would help, seeing as how he had contact with other players and knew a bit more than i did.
i guess the problem was the whole linking akas ordeal.
if we had a bit more time/started earlier i think i could've got town to lynch smurfette/MM - some thread reading found me the post where he tried to but some more dirt on moceanu, which had me convinced along with the (technically incorrect) clue analysis.
On August 10 2009 15:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: everyone wanted to fuck me over see, the town the mafia, it was all a huge ploy ahhhh
Well, the further part of the plan would've actually saved you. Had they believed that information, they would've received it during the next day, not nightime. Thus would've led hopefully led to the lynch of one of the three that's not you. Once they lynch one and realize they were wrong they would have figured you were clean as well (which a role checked would have also said).
Yeah I know lots of problems with it but that was the basic idea.
If you got me lynched, being that I was a miller you would have had a really good alibi
On August 10 2009 15:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: everyone wanted to fuck me over see, the town the mafia, it was all a huge ploy ahhhh
Well, the further part of the plan would've actually saved you. Had they believed that information, they would've received it during the next day, not nightime. Thus would've led hopefully led to the lynch of one of the three that's not you. Once they lynch one and realize they were wrong they would have figured you were clean as well (which a role checked would have also said).
Yeah I know lots of problems with it but that was the basic idea.
If you got me lynched, being that I was a miller you would have had a really good alibi
Except nobody would have known you were a miller thanks to only alignment being revealed
On August 10 2009 15:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: everyone wanted to fuck me over see, the town the mafia, it was all a huge ploy ahhhh
Well, the further part of the plan would've actually saved you. Had they believed that information, they would've received it during the next day, not nightime. Thus would've led hopefully led to the lynch of one of the three that's not you. Once they lynch one and realize they were wrong they would have figured you were clean as well (which a role checked would have also said).
Yeah I know lots of problems with it but that was the basic idea.
If you got me lynched, being that I was a miller you would have had a really good alibi
Except nobody would have known you were a miller thanks to only alignment being revealed
Uhh... in that case, what a useful role.
The whole game was... really inactive =/ Pretty much a good thing I died early -.-
I liked this game It was fun just trying to avoid being found/killed and planning in the background, especially when I didn't have a lot of time. But unfortunately it seems that smurfing, while a nice concept on paper, is not an ideal playing environment in reality for a number of reasons. So yeah this was an experiment that failed and won't be repeated.
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Pyrr did perfectly fine. This was out of his control and he had to do something at the end.
Also, sorry Motbob for getting you killed lol. I had to give a fake name to Foolishness as he was hunting for me pretty hard.
Infundibulum said:dit2: im curious as to what Ver has to say bout all this
What do you want to know? I have a lot I could say but I prefer staying clear of post-game chats heh.
On August 10 2009 16:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: i didnt pm to BC at all this game. i talked to showtime about it cause he was trying to figure out the vets, and i showed him that neither of you guys were vets. he sent that to BC
I am sorry, I misread that.
showtime fails even harder.
where did i fail? We would have gone 5 for 6 in the lynch. Show me where I failed, thanks.
I love how you kids have no fucking clue what you are talking about. In the end we had most of this shit sorted out. It's called PMs.
On August 10 2009 15:09 Showtime! wrote: Nah, bud. Completely wrong perhaps you should re-read what i said before you make an ass out of yourself.
I simply went around the core asking Qatol, BC, Caller and Ver who they thought everyone was. In other words, it was a combined effort. Say it with me princesss, commmbiiiinnneeed efffffoooorrrtt. Once we felt like we 'pinned' or a good player at that I would send them a message to fucking gage them. Capiche? Do you understand the math? I don't see you posting lists of smurfs before the game host sends their shit in! I only got a feeeeew players wrong you dipshit.
You are a GOOD laugh bud. Next time think before you start talking out of your ass.
There's a reason why I do MOST of my plays behind the scenes. To keep retards like you out.
I don't go around snooping for smurfs because um..Pyrr asked us not to and I don't need to.
It's ok man keep raging, like I always say prove me wrong. When you can prove that you are better than me at this game then you can talk. There's a reason why I always have a nonchalant attitude when you guys start posting dumb ideas and I start laughing publicly in your face.
Rage? lol Let's just say I learned from the bEsT! You've proved absolute shit yet you continue to talk out of your ass. Ace always the entertainer. Do you do birthday parties too?
Keep on flapping. The only thing coming out of your mouth is empty air man. Laughing publicly in my face? Did I miss something here? All of the dirty work was done via PM. Fail once again. You have to explore every scenario bucko and that we did. If you don't look at all the variables and what they bring you will fall flat on your ass. Qatol, Ver and I did our homework. Yes, Ver was hardly active and Q got the boot early so it was up to me for the most part.
Continue your royal suckage. I get off it everytime you decide to open your mouth. Regardless of any mistakes I played 3 good games, so GGnoRe.
You could learn a thing or two from my constant trolling. Look at how many wankers wanted to cry/quit this game. Nuff said. Have a tampon for your sore ass.
Hey Best/Showtime you want those Dreamflower pics to prove moceanu = DF ? lol
Showtime if you told me it was you I would have cooperated sooner. I thought you were Ace.
On August 10 2009 16:46 Vivi57 wrote: the vet plan was terrible
RoL, we knew you weren't a vet the whole time. You were on my hitlist, but bc decided to swap for a vet snipe (qatol).
Since I knew I was dt sniped night one, I had plans to kill you, cover glugluk and then claim vet
not sure that would have changed anything tho
ANd you! Your MSN almost got me. I was going to RC to you the same time I RC'ed to Showtime in case I got fucked in the end and killed a townie and was a "suspect"
Group consensus based off the two posts you made on Day 1. lol
The important thing was to get an idea of who the good players were. Lucas you would fall into that category. You were one of the only players to guess who I was when I did my Day 1 PMs.
Just a few quick things I wanted to say, as a minor Mafia member.
On the town side, nice job to Qatol and Ver as always. I think Qatol could use some lessons in flying under the radar from Ver, though.
On the Mafia side, many thanks to BC for explaining everything to me in short sentences with small words. I think those logs you posted sapped my will to play, though, heh. Nice job to mikeymoo. Foolishness, I really enjoyed your 0cz3c-style posts, and I was a little surprised you didn't consider yourself a "big name" in these games.
Pyrrh, thank you for running this game as well as you did, given the dysfunctions and inactivity that popped up. I'm sorry for having contributed to the general inactivity myself. I know it couldn't have been easy for you to keep the game going, and it certainly was through no fault of yours that the game sputtered and died the way it did. The smurf game was a fun idea, but in practice I don't think it worked out too well.
Oh, and by the way...
On August 10 2009 21:29 Amber[LighT] wrote: Hey Best/Showtime you want those Dreamflower pics to prove moceanu = DF ? lol
On August 10 2009 15:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote: everyone wanted to fuck me over see, the town the mafia, it was all a huge ploy ahhhh
Well, the further part of the plan would've actually saved you. Had they believed that information, they would've received it during the next day, not nightime. Thus would've led hopefully led to the lynch of one of the three that's not you. Once they lynch one and realize they were wrong they would have figured you were clean as well (which a role checked would have also said).
Yeah I know lots of problems with it but that was the basic idea.
If you got me lynched, being that I was a miller you would have had a really good alibi
The point of the plan was to get the town to waste a lynch on one of the people, which would've bought the mafia extra time. If my fake information had came during the night time, one role checked would've easily revealed I was lying, which is why I wanted the information to come out during the day time.
Not to mention nobody knows who the miller was I picked people based off of inactivity and the most likely chance that Showtime did not know who they were.
I figured you weren't poweroverwhelming the whole game based off of something BC said early on (since BC knew all the real accounts of the mafia members). I would have never figured you'd be lucia though
On August 10 2009 16:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: i didnt pm to BC at all this game. i talked to showtime about it cause he was trying to figure out the vets, and i showed him that neither of you guys were vets. he sent that to BC
I am sorry, I misread that.
showtime fails even harder.
where did i fail? We would have gone 5 for 6 in the lynch. Show me where I failed, thanks.
I love how you kids have no fucking clue what you are talking about. In the end we had most of this shit sorted out. It's called PMs.
You leaked information to the mafia, that is generally considered bad.
Everything that they got was a fucking non-factor and if you knew how to read you would have heard it from BC himself. We never gave away akas, or other key information.
Qatol and Ver always suspected him. It was conclusive by Day 2, so sup?
I ended up telling showtime for the sole reason that I was afk for the majority of the entire game, and I was actually going to tell him before I had died, but then my access to a computer was removed the night before I was going to tell him. The fact that he was told so late in day 2 was because I simply couldn't get access to msn, and when I did our conversation was 30 seconds or so because I couldn't stay on.
When asked by Qatol I told him the above minus the day 2 information without any concealment. You guys can point fingers or whatnot, but I figured I was just rectifying the penalty that having an afk DT would have on the town. The utter rape which followed was far more a credit to showtime making a very nice play than anything else.
On August 12 2009 01:14 L wrote: I ended up telling showtime for the sole reason that I was afk for the majority of the entire game, and I was actually going to tell him before I had died, but then my access to a computer was removed the night before I was going to tell him. The fact that he was told so late in day 2 was because I simply couldn't get access to msn, and when I did our conversation was 30 seconds or so because I couldn't stay on.
When asked by Qatol I told him the above minus the day 2 information without any concealment. You guys can point fingers or whatnot, but I figured I was just rectifying the penalty that having an afk DT would have on the town. The utter rape which followed was far more a credit to showtime making a very nice play than anything else.
Cheers.
That has happened to people many times before, and they haven't cheated (or knowingly anyway) what you did was still pure utter bs. The dead stay dead. In a invite only "vet" game, all players should know that better than the rest, hugely disappointing to see people cheating so rampantly in a smurf game.
On August 12 2009 01:14 L wrote: I ended up telling showtime for the sole reason that I was afk for the majority of the entire game, and I was actually going to tell him before I had died, but then my access to a computer was removed the night before I was going to tell him. The fact that he was told so late in day 2 was because I simply couldn't get access to msn, and when I did our conversation was 30 seconds or so because I couldn't stay on.
When asked by Qatol I told him the above minus the day 2 information without any concealment. You guys can point fingers or whatnot, but I figured I was just rectifying the penalty that having an afk DT would have on the town. The utter rape which followed was far more a credit to showtime making a very nice play than anything else.
Cheers.
L does deserve credit for not trying to conceal anything about it at all. Thanks for being honest.
That has happened to people many times before, and they haven't cheated (or knowingly anyway)
I talk behind the scenes with 15-20 players per game during and after the conclusion, and this statement is utterly false. This type of information transmission is incredibly common. In fact, its so common that mafia have taken to avoiding hitting certain members of certain PM rings because they know that some of the players will continue discussing and passing around information. In the largest games we've had the effects were most pronounced, where there would be entire IRC channels full of people who were dead and others inside rings talking. Somewhat counter-intuitively, the games which are blowouts are the ones that people are the least interested in, and the ones that exihibit the least rulebreaking of this sort.
The only real 'uncommon' part here was that I actually admit to doing it willingly in an incredibly limited manner. If I really wanted to dodge this, I'd have just pretended to not know I had died before telling showtime, then going "oh shit, srysrysry" afterwards, which is also fairly common. I could have also just flat out lied to Qatol.
This isn't really meant to start a fight or anything, but that's the context of the situation. I really don't think it would have changed the course of this game at all, either, so take it for what you will. I mean, you of all people should know this, given how we ended the 2 mafia team game by semi collusion due to rape.
I apologize for going inactive Pyrry, but the smurf game was a bad idea - I don't tend to log out and I don't want to use Internet Explorer (because it sucks) so I forgot about the game. The other problem was everyone trying to find the smurfs - wasn't the whole point of a smurf game to try and play without prior assumptions about players? So basically I just decided to forget it after those two factors.:/ Understandable if I'm banned from future games.
i totally forgot about this (again) so for those of you who are still interested or curious (i haven't read anything since page 9) i was the first one to be lynched. i made my account, signed up, forgot about it, and PM'd Pyrr telling him to PM me back when the game starts. then i forgot about the account and never logged onto it. one day i get a PM saying "voting ends in a few hours, why aren't you playing?". immediately i post saying that i just got on and will try to get caught up soon. unfortunately i died before i could get caught up. so that's the story.
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So only 4/6 mafia members have been shown ?
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