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Alright, I've already shared all the reasons why I was suspicious of BC. But halfway through Day 3 I backed off for two reasons:
- Foolishness asked me to back off.
- Qatol explained to me that we had to keep BC alive long enough to get at least two double lynches out of him.
So I backed off of BC. He had said he was going to activate the double lynch but I thought he might not if he worried it could be used against him. At about 7/10 13:48 I saw Bockit putting his second vote on BC. I should have thought about him seeding some bandwagon, but I figured he had read my analysis and it made sense to him, too (and I still think BC was acting really weird until he was on his deathbed). So I figured I'd explain to Bockit why I was backing off and see what he thought, and I sent Bockit this message:
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I've backed off of him for the moment, partly to make sure he activates double lynch, but I still think he's mafia based on how much he tried to get me off of TruthBringer in our conversations even after I pointed out his obvious behavioral misstep and based on his flat-out lying on his day 3 analysis towards me. What do you think?
Later, (7/11 5:33) I see Malongo making a huge post against BC and I start to worry that BC won't activate the lynch on the next day if the criticism keeps up. So I tell Malongo to back off.
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Look, pretty much everything in your post about BC is true, HOWEVER, we've managed to scare him into activating the double lynch for today so I'm trying to direct town towards other suspects and layoff of BC for the first half of the next day and get him to activate another double lynch tomorrow, at which point we can go after him. We really need the double lynches if we want to whittle down mafia KP.
At some point during day 3, I find (with help from BC in msn, if I remember correctly) a link between Falcynn and vampires. I had already found the link from BC to vampires and had been sure that it lined up. So I decided a good strategy would be to lynch Falcynn and see if the clue parts that made me suspicious of BC vanished instead of immediately risking the double lynches. I sent this Malongo about it. I meant to send it to Bockit, too, but I guess I never did. (7/11 05:36) Since then, we've found a vampire link to iLoveKT and someone else as well, so, yet another fuck up.
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The reason why lynching Falcynn is important is that he's the only other player but BC with a link to vampires (though Falcynn has some links to a mafioso that isn't mr julia as well). If Falcynn dies and the Mr Julia stuff continues we can be sure BC is mafia and is worth killing despite the risk of losing the double lynches.
So Bockit finally responds to my PMs at 7/11 12:01.
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Hey, had a very busy day yesterday so I haven't had a chance to follow what's happened since I called him out, looks like I have quite a lot of reading to do I'll get back to you once I have.
Then he goes into all out attack mode on BC before addressing my concerns with it. If I had a mafia sense, it would have been ringing like somebody's ears after a My Bloody Valentine concert but if anything is clear about this game, it's that I don't have such a sense. Nobody really seems to care or understand what I was hinting at or planning with the falcynn accusation and I was still certain BC's behavior was mafia so I figured with malongo and bockit going at him with both barrels and a bandwagon forming against him he wouldn't activate anymore double lynches and would try to cause as much confusion as possible (such as his attack on infundibulum, and adding inertinept to the kill list after that even[which was possibly a good move on his part at this point, we'll have to start looking at clues the way BC explained]) on the way out. So I sent this to Bockit. (not to malongo, though I'm not sure why but it was probably because he never responded to anything so I couldn't hit reply in my inbox and send something).
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Yeah my strategy was to lay off of him until (I told malongo this as well) he activated a double lynch tomorrow but we are spread out as fuck. My reasoning on Falcynn which I tried to hint at was that Falcynn could fit the clues that fit BC or maybe be a lesser mafia, and if it took out the Julia clues then maybe I was wrong about BC but BC just continues to be useless/worse than useless to town so... Qatol told me that we need at least two double lynches out of BC before we kill him so that's how I've been trying to play it but I guess it is too late now that you and Malongo are going all out.
After attacking, Bockit responds to my concerns with a PM at 7/11 13:35.
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Qatol is possibly right, I don't know.
I honestly don't know what the maths is like, but the fact that he's causing so much disruption is enough for me to want to off him.
"fuck the math let's kill him anyway because he's mafia dood!" Is what I should have read that as, but I guess I got caught up in my suspicion of BC, and while I was trying to balance not defending BC since im suspicious of him, trying to not have BC get suspicious of me and town and start witholding double lynches, trying to stop people from killing BC this early, trying to avoid a repeat of Qatol's mayor shenanigans, etc., Bockit sent me another pm.
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You gonna change your votes yet?
So i changed. Also, I only realize now that I put this post together that Malongo never responded to any of my pms. Bockit had been responding and I sort of mentally grouped them together but yeah. Basically I should have realized that people who didn't care about the double lynch concerns were suspicious, but at some point I figured we were gonna knock out 1.5 KP with the double lynch and BC was under too much fire to activate another one.
As for Kuja, I don't fuckin' know. Everything seemed to fit well and he didn't say shit the whole game.
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TLDR: I got played like a flute again 
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Also, we have to vote sunny very soon (Day 4, if not, then 5), I think that's obvious.
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On July 12 2009 07:27 Malongo wrote:
I cant believe BC wasnt mafia. I wont try to make myself clear at this point i know that most of the townies may think im mafia but please take a look: all my points were crystal clear all my posts are logic and BC didnt even try to argue with me. GTFO. I think this is angels night, 4 hits 4 protections. Angels: please dont protect anyone on BCs list and the last dt should not check BCs list because its more likely that mafias there arent pledges. Note that there are a lot of double votes there so mafia only needed 1 mafia to make the lynch. If you want to check a list check kujas's list. If not please rolcheck one of this guys:
Scaramanga
Infundibulum
Pyrrhuloxia
wow, I would lean heavily toward thinking scaramanga and infundibulum are innocent, and a list that small virtually guarantees that the GF will cover one of us to look red which will cook up yet another misplaced shitstorm. Very low chance of two mafia being on that list. If one was on that list, they would just get covered and this is useless. Unfortunately for town, I think it's just best to let the mystic do their work and talk to someone they think they can trust when they think they have something because we can't telegraph what they are going to do or it only helps the mafia mislead us with cover. It's similar to why analyzing the priest was a bad idea.
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On July 12 2009 13:34 Foolishness wrote:
If you want to roleclaim as angel, you best do it now.
You told me in PM you wanted him to claim after night ended, not now...
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On July 12 2009 14:14 redtooth wrote:lol. lol. lol. i look away from this game for two days (mostly because of pyrr being either the most brilliant mafia ever or the biggest wad of shit i've ever seen) and we lynch BC. fucktasticly brilliant everybody. well look on the bright side: Show nested quote +On July 12 2009 05:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Don't think I'm gonna be playing this game anymore after this one.
okay now. can't really salvage this but foolishness is mafia. tried to get everybody to "form together" and to take over the power vacuum left by L. L accused him and ended up dying. he tried to contact everybody when no contacting was needed and moved to get BC lynched. no need to explain that one more. lucas is prob prob nothing because he's even pissing off plexa. rest of mafia's prob hidden everywhere. BC wasn't mafia (why would he activate double lynch?) and Kuja was a wild guess but that lynch should have been for pyrr. btw. i didn't really read through most of the thread after page 40 because it was mostly pyrr being dumb. gamekiller award goes to pyrr and lucaswoj. way to ruin what could have been a great game.
How did Foolishness move to get BC lynched? Pretty sure Foolishness tried to prevent that, although I am kinda getting weirded out by why foolishness doesn't want to go after bockit at all and is going after motbob as gf which makes no sense to me. I'm pretty sure mr julia, being the only named mafia, would be gf. And Bockit has a link to that (as BC pointed out early in the game) plus Bockit links to some of the new mr julia clues as well (wwii stuff could be the military training link). And BC told us to go after Bockit first when he turned green yet Foolishness, who has professed undying loyalty to BC all game doesn't want to go after him. I dunno, I'm really confused now (and apparently have been all game).
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Also, BC has told us we need to look for chuiu style links which revolve around a single characteristic and Foolishness has no profile quote or anything but the name which would fit the laughing / clumsiness thing that I tried to link to Kuja. I've trusted Foolishness for most the game so I didn't mention it but it's a perfect fit.
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Look at YDG's post about ecomania, yet again we some ecological way of killing with a tree coming down on the tent.
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On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote:
btw mafia list is
motbob (gf)
pyrr
faronel
ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning?
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On July 13 2009 03:59 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
i think the clocktower at the end has to be a clue
it sort of connects to motbob's sig, just like the control tower at the cheese factory from Day 2 i think it was.
also it may have a connection to time, like the 3:14am clue.
Faronel has no pic or profile or sig or anything but, his name when googled shows it is Lighthouse in some language. I think control tower fits more to Faronel's name, while the clock tower fits more with motbob's sig.
Also, I think motbob is mafia, too, but I'm sure he's not the godfather, I'm guessing that's Bockit, who fits the Mr Julia clues.
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On July 13 2009 12:56 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 10:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote:
btw mafia list is
motbob (gf)
pyrr
faronel
ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning? Nope its already been posted by bc and foolishness throughout the thread against these 4, but even if your not mafia you've fucked this game so badly you deserve to be lynched
Neither BC nor foolishness have called me mafia.
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On July 13 2009 13:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 12:56 Scaramanga wrote:On July 13 2009 10:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote:
btw mafia list is
motbob (gf)
pyrr
faronel
ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning? Nope its already been posted by bc and foolishness throughout the thread against these 4, but even if your not mafia you've fucked this game so badly you deserve to be lynched Neither BC nor foolishness have called me mafia.
BC called me mafia but he retracted it pretty fast and even knew I was innocent on his deathbed which I fucked up in helping with.
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On July 13 2009 14:03 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 13:52 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 13 2009 12:56 Scaramanga wrote:On July 13 2009 10:45 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:On July 13 2009 03:18 Scaramanga wrote:
btw mafia list is
motbob (gf)
pyrr
faronel
ecomania
Surely it wouldn't hurt to post your reasoning? Nope its already been posted by bc and foolishness throughout the thread against these 4, but even if your not mafia you've fucked this game so badly you deserve to be lynched Neither BC nor foolishness have called me mafia. Didnt say foolishness has, he posted against motbob and ecomania bc posted agaisnt you and faronel
Everything BC posted against me was a clue analysis story that was made obviously false on Day 3.
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alright, here's what we know at this point:
We need to vote sunny.
ecomania is 99% sure mafia.
motbob is probably mafia, I dunno what percentage but well over 50%. If he turns green/blue, then faronel is 100% mafia.
pretty sure bockit is mr julia. BC showed us that the clues are based around a central theme, but if you notice for bockit, there is no central theme (BC lists his theme as "insane amount of things"). This probably forced Plexa to name him so the disparate clues could be seen as one persyn.
Almost certain the flying/gliding mafia is Falcynn. From your point of view, it's gonna be a choice between Falcynn and I but I can't do anything about that.
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On July 13 2009 14:39 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 12:21 Foolishness wrote:On July 13 2009 12:02 motbob wrote:
wow OK looks like people suspect me pretty badly.
I'm gonna respond to Foolishness's original post accusing me.
- Suspicious voting behavior and posting during the BC/kuja lynch
Again, if you look at my posts when I was discussing with Bockit about what to do, there's no inconsistency in my opinions. Like I said before, I think that anyone who actually goes back and reads what I wrote in response to Bockit's arguments (and not just the posts that Foolishness cherry-picked) will absolve me of any wrongdoing yesterday.
- Suspicious voting behavior during the Truthbringer lynch
If you look at voting patterns, there were a lot of people who were voting Truthbringer without posting in the thread and were just following blindly the person who posted the original clue analysis for him, disregarding BC's loooong post on ydg without responding or anything. What I did was an anti-bandwagoning measure.
- Knowledge of the protect last night
What a dumb argument. The suicide bomber blew up 2 people (it's in the clues), 2 people were hit, mafia KP was 3, and therefore we had a protect. It's not rocket science.
- General suspicious and unhelpful posting
I assume this is because I haven't done any clue analysis? I don't do clue analysis anymore because I obviously suck at it. Remember last game, foolishness? Remember when I said "Raxor has to be mafia based on these clues" over and over again? Well, Raxor wasn't mafia and that's why I don't do clue analysis anymore. Post analysis got me far more accurate info.
Speaking of clue analysis, post some of me. Don't lynch someone without any clues pointing to them... BC tried to do that and it almost got ydg lynched. I believe that there are already some leads on clues pointing to you, as listed above. Yes maybe nothing definite, but the possibility is still there. I haven't looked that hard into it so you're better off confronting someone else who knows there stuff. Well can you please find someone who knows their stuff so I can actually defend myself? I only see 1 line of clue analysis on me anywhere in this thread...
It's pretty good, there's two towers so far and a tower in your quote, only other persyn with a tower is Faronel (as far as I've found).
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Mr Julia candidates:
Preface: I think the reason Mr Julia is named is because their clues are more disparate and not themed like the others. This would fit a busy profile like bockit's that has no clear center to it (BC said Bockit's clues in Plexa's system could be an "insane amount of things".
iLoveKT
Behavior
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Hasn't missed a vote, has never posted. Was very active in previous games I've played / ran with him as far as I recall (ran for office in my game). Would fit a godfather not wanting to lose his team the 1 KP / cover. (This whole "motbob must be GF because he talks a lot" thing is retarded. Only time GF would be talkative is if they had ran for office, which didn't seem to happen this game.)
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Bockit
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Maybe mafia wanted someone immune to rolechecks to start the BC bandwagon. A lot of other stuff looks pretty town-aligned though good GFs go against their brethren a lot. I guess Mr Julia may not be GF but it would make sense to me that the only named one would be GF.
Anyone notice this guy has gone totally silent since succeeding in Killing BC?
Clues
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see the preface.
His WWII quote could be related to the military training.
any opera buffs know if there are any other clues? the glowing could be because he's a phantom and only partially part of this dimension or whatever
Reading up on the plot of this thing, the masked dude has a "lair" that he brings the girl he's after to, this could be like what Julia does bringing back judge to a location.
like BC (think it was BC) said, Bockit has a quote about binary that could explain prowess with electronic locks
"I am the master of vegetable timing rush. - Silver" Hoho, it's all coming together now. Mr Julia waits for the exact right time to strike!
Check out these quotes from Day 3, it's clear Plexa is alluding to a timing attack:
Mr Julia had been given a strict set of instructions to follow, and the first required him to wait until exactly 3:14am.
As predicted, vx70GTOJudgexv left the building at the precise time. (just like waiting for an opponent to move out with too few units / too soon)
The bulbs on Mr Julia’s skin began to change to a chilling shade of yellow as he realised he did not have much time left. (losing his timing opportunity)
MOST IMPORTANT / ORIGINAL CONTENT WARNING:the white mask from the phantom of the opera logo (bockit's special icon) is leather and the dude in that play has a deformed face like Mr Julia's. http://store.masksandmakebelieve.com/phlewh.html
PLUS, he has a quote about a timing attack and this is clearly alluded to in Plexa's post, check the Bockit clue spoiler above. Everybody read this I'll be damned if this gets lost in the shuffle.
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On July 13 2009 15:46 Scaramanga wrote:
Mafia list is
motbob (gf)
pyrr
faronel
ecomania
IloveKT
bockit
ez town win now, we have 6/6, lynch these people
pyrr may not be red, but he's gotta help the town 100% now to not die, vote sun btw i wanna kill a mafia
Leaving aside the fact that you haven't made an argument for my death other than "BC said so" (in a clue analysis he recanted, was made completely unworkable on day 3, and that I think I've found a much better explanation for) how are both IloveKT and bockit mafia?
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Oh I get it, whoever I accuse is mafia, because I'm mafia, and I'm mafia because I'm mafia. Brilliant.
Scaramanga is mafia. He's the godfather, and, like, Plexa didn't tell us or anything but he's like the right bit of Lavos from Chrono Trigger and if we kill him we instantly win the game.
Amazing head on our assassin here.
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Still don't get why we'd kill motbob before ecomania when ecomania is 100% mafia and motbob is less than that and the motbob = gf because he talks is stupid in a game with cover. Bockit = named mafia = GF.
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On July 13 2009 18:25 motbob wrote:Show nested quote +On July 13 2009 17:54 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Still don't get why we'd kill motbob before ecomania when ecomania is 100% mafia and motbob is less than that and the motbob = gf because he talks is stupid in a game with cover. Bockit = named mafia = GF. I don't understand this post at all but it looks like you're saying I'm not the godfather so I endorse it.
You're still mafia and dying very soon. Write your will.
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