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On July 11 2009 02:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote: working hearts (to my knowledge) I could be horrifically wrong on this, but typically vampires don't have pulses, or if they do, insanely weak ones. This site says: Circulatory System The most profound differences between humans and vampires are found in the circulatory system. These differences enable vampires to survive massive trauma that would kill a human being. 1. Blood: vampire blood is called ichor (pr. ik-er). Modifications to hemoglobin in the blood cells makes vampire blood appear black. 2. the Heart: vampire blood is pumped via the contraction of skeletal muscle rather than the heart, which eventually atrophies from disuse. 3. adrenaline: this "emergency hormone," which normally kicks in during "fight or flight" situations, is found in consistently large amounts in vampire blood. The presence of adrenaline, along with changes in muscle, bone and connective tissue, account for vampire's extraordinary strength, speed and aggressiveness. | ||
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Why Falcynn now? Falcynn has ties to two of the possible mafia members, one of them being Mr Julia. If Falcynn turns red and the Mr Julia clues stop, we'll stop a lot of the bickering and town will get a lot more organized / united. If Falcynn turns red and the Mr Julia stuff continues, we've at least lowered KP. Because Falcynn has possible links to two mafia characters, there is an elevated risk of him being mafia (coupled with behavioral missteps which will follow here). If Falcynn turns green, well, at least we know we have tough decisions to make soon. Clue Recap + Show Spoiler + 1. The fear of spiders: Falcynn's TL blog has an entry about fearing black widows. We've found no one else that links to this odd passage. 2. His quote is from an aquabats song, bat sonar may have helped him find Plexa under rubble. (weak) 3. Radar may have to do with the loud noise from Day 2. (weak) 4. His video of the Takagi Masakatsu song, "Girls", is psychedelic. 5. He has a vampire reference in his TL blog. Falcynn says he was just asking about Twilight, however, it asks the rhetorical question "It has vampires so it much be awesome right? 6. His twilight noobiness could be why Mr Julia is described as new to the mafia. 7. Another video he has shows ipods changing through the colors of the rainbow. 8. Falcynn has a blog post about how bad the smell is in his town. Maybe he removed his nose because of it? (weak, but I've yet to find anything else on this except Michael Jackson in LucasWoJ's profile) 9. The military training thing could be linked to the fact that Falcynn has been training for a TL Altitude team (Altitude is an airplane warfare game). Why the Vampire link is the best bet for Mr Julia a. It fits with the pouncing. If you've seen recent vampire movie Let the Right One In, you'll know vampires often pounce on necks and leave their enemies in "a bloody pulp" like fishball. b. In day one, bodies are hung up and there is "Blood spilling from their gored bodies and pooling on the ground". This is just like how the vampire in Let the Right One In is fed by her servant. c. A vampire might experience the problem Mr Julia has with circulation (passing out, pulsating) because their hearts atrophy away. d. Mr Julia waits until 3:14 am and is not used to such conditions and therefore must hurry. Could be the sunrise that is worrying him. e. Mr Julia's skin turns yellow - this fits with a newbie vampire as shown in the vampire biology site I linked earlier in the thread. f. After Judge gets taken by Mr Julia, L finds his fresh blood all over the place, Judge's blood might be fresh because he didn't get killed, but is instead being slowly drained for food. g. "All three of them instantly knew what had happened to Mr Julia and rushed over to the safe room to bring him back home." Could be indicative of a blood lust episode. There are are few other people that link to vampires, but Falcynn is the closest / only one that doesn't require google. Behavioral Recap + Show Spoiler + On July 03 2009 04:10 Falcynn wrote: I say we vote snow the first 2-3 days. Then if it seems that the mafia's getting lucky with their kills we might do fog for 2 days after that, then move on to rain for pretty much the rest of the game unless we find a strong need for an assassin to make a kill (like we somehow get a really strong lead on more than one guy). Anyone who's played mafia before (and Falcynn has) knows clues are less helpful in the game, certainly less helpful than lowered KP. Also, note he acts like we might never want to use our assassins. AFTER PEOPLE CALL HIM OUT FOR INACTIVITY: On July 07 2009 01:46 Falcynn wrote: Sorry about not being active. I had a few things going on these past few days and got a little too lazy to read during the little free time I had. I'm catching up on the thread right now, I remember how much inactives sucked from the last game I played, so I apologize again for this. He admits being inactive and says he'll catch up, then doesn't do anything. Classic mafia behavior, doing the bare minimum, not doing anything to help the town. AFTER HE GETS CAUGHT ON THE FEAR OF SPIDER CLUE FROM DAY 1, HE TRIPLE POSTS FRANTICALLY: On July 10 2009 23:58 Falcynn wrote: Well, I figured it was probably best for me to lie low since I didn't have much of use to mention during the course of this game. The last two mafia games I played imo I think I hurt the town more than help since I'm usually quick to jump on really crappy clues, and start bandwagons with other people. I thought that with all the other people who are seemingly inactive, I'd be safe in just lying low until I had something good to contribute. If this makes me suspicious (which I already know it does, but as I mentioned, I figured I'd be safe considering the other inactives) then I guess I'll do more to contribute, even if it doesn't do the town much good =/ He admits he looks suspicious and then says it would be worse if he was helping. On July 10 2009 23:59 Falcynn wrote: Also, my votes for BC and ydg probably have more to do with me being quick to hop on bandwagons as well... He admits he was bandwagoning (covering for trying to save TruthBringer). On July 11 2009 00:02 Falcynn wrote: (triple posting so my edits don't make me look like I'm hiding something) and I guess me being quick to defend myself isn't helping my case. Whatever, I don't really think there's a strong enough case for any of the current alternatives for lynching, but I'll do my best to try to dig up any clues that haven't already been revealed for others. He realizes his defense is sketchy (one of his order probably told him) so he tries to fix it and promises to do something to help town, which he hasn't. Note what is NOT in here: a reason not to vote for him. Other than he'll do his best, which he hasn't been doing and he has told us he sucks. Why this often works for mafia: If the mafia give you reasons to not lynch them, it will trigger the logical parts of your brain, and you will begin to weigh the evidence against him versus the evidence in support of him. It'll be overwhelmingly against him and so you'll vote for him. But if he just praises you for suspecting him, you will be liable to never think logically and just let him go / forget. LATER: On July 11 2009 02:25 Falcynn wrote: Wow...this just feels as if you just want to believe I'm mafia and are grasping at straws to point the finger at me. I'm not familiar with the way Plexa creates his clues, but all of your findings seem completely out there considering you're digging all of this up from a blog asking wtf Twilight was. Considering I don't have any counters to your argument other than questioning your clue deciphering abilities I guess I have nothing to defend myself with =/ This is kind of the reason I didn't want to say much, since I tended to come up with random conclusions based on little evidence in my last games as well. This would have been nice if it was his first response, but again it was late and probably coached. Again he beats himself up to avoid rational debate, and puts the case against him in the worst possible light and basically just calls it names rather than responding. | ||
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On July 11 2009 10:55 JeeJee wrote: ^ You're ![]() lol wut also if we can come up with one more good suspect we might want to vote sunny before we get our assassins sniped. | ||
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On July 11 2009 11:19 Scaramanga wrote: This game is fucked already ace do you want my spot? If this game is fucked, mind telling us why? we haven't missed a lynch yet even and we still have plenty of blues, and if everyone gets out of the "oh gawd we're helpless children without MBH to tell us what to do" duldrums we'll be able to win with room to spare. | ||
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On July 11 2009 12:15 LucasWoJ wrote: Yeah guys...it's pretty obvious.... Well thanks for taking a two minute break from your trolling to help us out. But instead you seem to be more focused on PMing me about whether or not you technically lied during the game. Which, I guess, you didn't (unlike BC). I'm collating this information into organized posts to try to stop the deluge of sludge posts, some of which has been yours. I'm reasonably sure you're innocent but I dunno why you're playing like this when you seemed a lot less crazy in previous games. | ||
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On July 11 2009 13:52 Bockit wrote: And to prove that I have actually read the whole thread, let's go back a few pages shall we? I found this part of your post quite amusing: And a couple of pages ago, what did you say? You are oh so consistent good sir. EDIT: Tags. While you are right to point out the abrupt switch on that, it should be mentioned that he started supporting me as soon as I stopped pushing for BC's lynch so there was a distinct causality there and it wasn't a random inconsistency. | ||
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On July 11 2009 15:23 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: the problem is that even if you're green, you played like shit this game. such as voting for you, which i dont think he ever explained. I asked him in msn about it and he said something that didn't make any sense and switched his vote to inertinept because the laughter in the latest day post was somehow indicative of wind | ||
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On July 11 2009 15:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pyrr, did you even look at the pm I gave you? It gives you almost all you need to solve these clues, stop following bandwagons and think you tard, Or am I seriously giving you too much credit. I did look at the pm, and if you turn up innocent somehow ill look at it, but again man, you've been making flatout nonsense/false statements all game and behaving differently than normal and I've laid out plenty of clues that I think point to you. | ||
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On July 11 2009 15:35 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Infundi, your two best bets to win at this point if you off me is snow and sunny. Without the double lynches you will need the 2 hits each assassin gets to win. Hell, you will need the extra clues as well, fog at this point will do nothing as most likely kuja or ecomania is a pledge and when they die along side me fog won't drop their kp enough. But hey, just giving you some pointers. you're getting awfully helpful now but I'm not sure snow is a good idea at this point. I think if we go sunny and go after falcynn and whoever survives out of eco/kuja we'll be doing fine. | ||
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On July 11 2009 16:07 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Also as a note, at this point, If i was mafia, I would pull a qatol and troll you guys beyond belief over give you any tips needed to win, so again pyrr, learn to think, I expect alot more out of you. If you were trying to live you'd probably not make it obvious you were mafia. Also, Qatol did that a lot later in the game when it was pretty much over and he had no chance of surviving. | ||
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On July 11 2009 16:11 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Fuck. All this time I thought So no fek was an angel. Why of all times are you suddenly making sense now? When you're on the executioner's slate? Damnit man, I wish your behavior early in the game wasn't so incredibly incriminating. I retract my vote, hesitantly. How did the DT give himself away? What about this is exonerating? It seems to me like the plan was to throw out a bunch of targets and hope we got confused and Foolishness and I have been trying to make up for that all day, while BC shows up at the 13th hour and claims a conspiracy despite lying about colors and acting suspiciously at every point of the game until he absolutely has to clean up his act to avoid death. | ||
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On July 11 2009 16:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Pyrr, Do you ever read my analysis in games? I LINK EVERYONE TO EVERYTHING, and work from day to day of who links more and more and eliminate the rest. It sets marks in threads of my own train of thought to go back to and reflect on. As for so no fek giving himself away, go re-read his posts. I mean I do that too with suspects. I looked over the notes about Kuja i had saved and that's how I found him. Here's a note I have saved from L, for instance: + Show Spoiler + "Lets examine the general course of conversation this game has taken. We started talking in general terms about weather. We then slid into a chat about what type of mafia one would send into the election. The answer was simple: the godfather. Elections went on, some odd voting happened, then we nearly completely dropped the topic. Why is this important? Because BC is acting incoherently in his role. BC will criticize ydg for 'flip flopping', but flip flops himself, posting: On July 05 2009 14:48 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ydg Ecomania Elemenope Kuja Scamp If elected, i will be random # generating from this list. Ydg as he tends to go inactive for alot of a game in most games (sorry bud but inactives kill the game) Elemenope seems shifty to me based on a question he asked previously in the thread, ecomania, kuja and scamp due to general inactivity then essentially going "oh wait nevermind, i'm going to kill a power player instead" 40 minutes later. Regardless of the wisdom of the plan, BC can't be pointing out other people for changing their minds when he's been the biggest flip flopper in the game when it comes down to concrete life or death decisions. More importantly, check that list: Who's number 1 there? The person BC is trying to get the town to bandwagon right now. Okay, fair enough, he's had a grudge and has been searching for shit to pin on ydg despite not having ANY clue information to back his claims up. There's obviously more poor argumention from him, quite a bit of it stemming from kill MBH plan and a bit more coming from previous conversations. That alone isn't enough to pin someone as being mafia. Tricode last game was throwing up complete garbage posts, but he was just an idiot townie. What makes BC special is WHO his friends are and WHEN they support him. Next: Lets take a gander at the vote lists: BloodyC0bbler [13] TruthBringer Pyrrhuloxia HeavOnEarth ydg LucasWoJ Shikyo BWdero Falcynn Scaramanga Faronel StorZerg Foolishness Vivi57 L [10] So no fek iNfuNdiBuLuM Chezinu ecomania motbob GoodWill iLoveKT Malongo chaoser JeeJee Abstain [9] redtooth BloodyC0bbler Fishball Bockit Lenwe vx70GTOJudgexv araav Elemenope MrBabyHands The bolded member of the list are special because they correspond to typical voting periods for mafia members on a mafia candidate. Mafia will seed a list to get a bandwagon running, then let it grow a bit on its own, sprinkling a few extra votes in the middle, but holding most of their members back if they need to make a last minute push. The early voters? TruthBringer and Pyrr. TruthBringer has been silent and is by far our best clue link, and Pyrr defends BC fanatically, throwing a few red herrings at other players now and then. The two bolded votes further down correspond to the 11th and 12th votes for BC respectively, the votes needed to overcome the fact that I hadn't yet voted and assure the win for BC. Foolishness is posting useless comments and poor analysis all over the thread, adding to the 'chaos' that BC was talking about when referring to flip flopping. StorZerg Is nearly 100% silent. The italicized members are those that have been put under suspicion in the past few pages. That said, there are likely only 3-5 mafia on that list, with the other 3-5 being on me or abstaining. Since I'm in the unique position of knowing that mafia would only vote for me to camouflage themselves (unless they wanted to warp my mind and control my precious fog votes), This tells me that BC is far too likely to be mafia to be followed in bandwagons. Lets examine those people who have been following: Araav - 3 Storzerg Pyrrhuloxia So no fek YDG - 5 Foolishness vx70GTOJudgexv BloodyC0bbler iLoveKTF Falcynn Out of the 5 most likely mafia members, 3 of them are seeding bandwagon lists to deflect the pressure put on a fourth member: TruthBringer. Wake the fuck up. Don't take my word for granted either. Think this shit through yourself. Town is getting fucking RAPED right now. We aren't active and the mafia are actively putting up walls of shit posts to throw you off and make you too lazy to go back and find quality information." Like L was saying, I was playing stupid when I was just following you around, then I started thinking for myself. | ||
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I still think Foolishness is innocent and just following BC out of the same mistake I was making earlier in the game, but we'll have to see if the laughing stops when Kuja dies. | ||
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Anyway, at least this time I know what happened while I can still talk so I'll explain. | ||
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