EPTHey, at least we didn't hit a blue. I guess we can call round 1 a draw?
I guess our next step is to construct the medic list.
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zeks
Canada1068 Posts
Hey, at least we didn't hit a blue. I guess we can call round 1 a draw? I guess our next step is to construct the medic list. | ||
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iLoveKT
Philippines3615 Posts
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chaoser
United States5541 Posts
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
The medic lists aren't going to be 100%, and they are probably going to contain the highest benefit/risk toward us since it should contain the most active/influential/experienced posters. We cannot afford to lose them until we are sure they are on our side, but must be aware that they might not be on our side. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Moloch
Canada222 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
If we move to lynch an inactive again, I'd like to see clazziquai be part of our options. His lack of posting is seriously raising suspicions for me, considering he's been in prior games. He is somewhat inactive early in other games, but this one seems different - he's been red in one game before and he had a similar streak. Also, he bandwagoned Shikyo and in Mafia 2, he bandwagoned 1st vote, only to end up on some bandwagons later, but early votes. There isn't much clue analysis on him, granted (we only have slumping/Sea.Really for him), so obviously we must wait until day 2 clues come out, but I wanted to make sure we don't make this an oversight. Congrats to the two elected, and although I was alone with voting for Zeks, I do think we have two solid office members. I'm waiting on the day 2 clues to post more, but I'll be around to actively discuss things throughout the night (OSL FTW). Sucks I can't update my OSL Ironman stuff  | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 20 2009 09:35 Foolishness wrote: JimTudor is a top spot in the election? o.O he is behind by 4 votes which is a lot at this stage in the game. Well, he was at first, but as suspicion grew on his part, people abandoned him. It's not really the end result that matters, if he was the mafia candidate, it is entirely possible that they feared all the attention and decided to dissolve the plan, spreading to the other candidates. Jimtudor wrote: Well, then I don't have much to defend against... Other than the fact that I sure hope that Teks elimination number game is wrong and that for all the 'top' contenders for office, one should be mafia. It's not just that, you know. It is this post from JeeJee that made people suspicious of you: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93562¤tpage=10#186 Together with, while being active, not really contributing to the thread other than in self defense. About the lynch, oh well, atleast we didn't hit a blue. I don't think we were doing anything wrong here, like zeks said: zeks wrote: If you can point out anyone else worth lynching day 1, then please tell everyone (or at least convince JeeJee/Shikyo) that you're worth living, rather than giving up so easily this early in the game. Although he was active after his name was brought up, I don't think we lost anyone of importance (sorry mate :/ Hope you can take this as a learning experience!). vx70GTOJudgexv wrote: If we move to lynch an inactive again, I'd like to see clazziquai be part of our options. His lack of posting is seriously raising suspicions for me, considering he's been in prior games. I agree on this one. If we're lucky, we may even find (more) clues pointing to him. About the medic list, I liked Shikyo's (because I was on it.. :p). Naw just kidding. We should have a list though, consisting of the active posters. I guess the list can be made quite a bit larger than the amount of medics we have, as it would seem unlikely that the mafia would strike anyone at that list when they know there are several persons being protected on it. Unless they stack hits. I'm not liking crate's list (no, not because I'm not on it), as I don't agree on putting neither iLoveKTF or Jimtudor on it. Neither of them have really contributed to the thread apart from running for office and trying to clear suspicion made about them. We already have Jimtudor as a suspect, I'd rather protect someone else. If he dies and turns out to be blue/green, well that sucks. But at this point there are other people I'd rather save. The only people I'm sure that we should put on this list are these three (I'll leave it to other people to decide whether or not I belong on this list):
And that leaves some spots for some or all of these candidates:
I thought I would be finding more people to put on this list, but I honestly didn't. So I guess the discussion will focus on the medic list for a bit now. I'd like to propose this as the first question that we discuss: How many people do we want on our medic list? 4? 6? more? | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On May 20 2009 16:34 teks wrote: How many people do we want on our medic list? 4? 6? more? In my opinion, 6 is a good sized medic list, as it has mafia on their toes. If we're 3 medics + 3 non-protected, then they have to guess and take a calculated risk on who to hit, or hit someone who isn't a major deal for us to lose and leave a clue. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
My list as of now would be:
I value experience here and iLoveKTF has 3 games experience. Jimtudor has 4, as does BWDero. The others have been providing for the game throughout, and I've been on other lists so I took the liberty of including myself (selfish, I know  ) | ||
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EsbenPM
Denmark364 Posts
Anyway congratulations to the elected, and to bad therapy turned out green, but as people have mentioned, he did a crappy job of defending himself. I can see that some people are already discussing the next lynch. I don't think deciding lynching on an inactive here right off the bat is a good idea. Sure they don't contribute anything, but i think we should try and make a connection with the day 2 clues, and try to make it as objective as possible. Because once you have someone suspected, you'll automatically try to connect anything to them, which in the end could make us kill an innocent just because we had a feeling he was mafia. But lets wait and see what happens. As for the medic list i agree that: zeks crate vx70GTOJudgexv teks Should be on it. Don't know who to put in the other spots. | ||
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
If our medics aren't on that list, and they get hit by random, or even unforseen mafia hits, how do we go about identifying a towny from there? I'd imagine the game almost entirely rests on our vig at that point right? Also what if theres 1, or even 2 mafia on that list? Would this have any ill effects? Actually.. upon thinking about it, i guess not so much. The medics still randomly choose someone on the list, and they're still just as likely to protect a mafia hit I guess. What would the mafia think if they were on this list. I know im bringing up a lot of criticisms without original ideas of my own, but I think this is the right track, we just need to think it through even more. And to everyone: be ready to do some major clue analyis tomorrow. If we can lynch a bad guy and have identify another likely target by cross refrencing clues with day 1, we'll be in a great position. Remember if we nerf the mafia kill power, it buys us even more time. | ||
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omG.[RaYnE]
Philippines100 Posts
just make sure at least one is hot so If ever I get killed it's a win-win situation :D | ||
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
On May 20 2009 17:18 EsbenPM wrote: I don't think deciding lynching on an inactive here right off the bat is a good idea. Agree 100% with this. All this does is put us down likely 2 players, unless we somehow catch a mafia in hiding, which isn't likely without clues. I'm just worried about the mafia ignoring the potential threatening townies(hell some of them may even be mafia) and start mass hitting people. If they pull off 3 hits tonight, we lynch an inactive, and they can pull off 3 tomorrow, thats 8 players down. Our play has to be spot on from that point. | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
On May 20 2009 17:23 omG.[RaYnE] wrote: I don't mind whoever is gonna be the medics.. just make sure at least one is hot so If ever I get killed it's a win-win situation :D No edits. -_- | ||
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EsbenPM
Denmark364 Posts
On May 20 2009 17:25 Pawsom wrote: Agree 100% with this. All this does is put us down likely 2 players, unless we somehow catch a mafia in hiding, which isn't likely without clues. I'm just worried about the mafia ignoring the potential threatening townies(hell some of them may even be mafia) and start mass hitting people. If they pull off 3 hits tonight, we lynch an inactive, and they can pull off 3 tomorrow, thats 8 players down. Our play has to be spot on from that point. You are forgetting we also have two vigi hits, that if used corrctly could lower mafia killing power. But again this require us to get good suspects, so i think for now we should just sit tight and hope for some good clues and medic saves  About the mafia ignoring the potential threathening townies: Well you have to remember the uncertainty with the medic list. By giving some people priority over others for protection, mafia will most likely stack kills on the most dangerous on the list or ignore the people on it to begin with. This plays to our advantage since the medics know mafia will most likely ignore the people on the list and if they have a strong gut feeling about a hit protect someone outside the list, and possibly save someone mafia thought was a sure kill. Because as people have mentioned the medic list shouldn't be followed 100% if the medics are sure someone else is going to take a hit. Alright this turned into a pretty weird post, but the point is the medics could use the mind game revolving arround the list to save people outside the list if they have a strong feeling about someone being hit. | ||
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teks
Norway263 Posts
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Pawsom
United States928 Posts
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teks
Norway263 Posts
On May 20 2009 18:02 Pawsom wrote: Also, how does that give us a higher chance of hitting red? We'll have a higher chance once there are less players, and once we have more clues. Well.. If we have a strong case against two players, and we lynch both of them, we have a greater chance of killing off a red. I'm just saying that if we wait until there are few players left, it's probably going to be too late, even if it will be easier to hit the mafia then. If we end up lynching blindly without any clues, that's another case though. But come day 2 we really should be making connections and assumptions if we want to win this. | ||
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