Mafia VIII [GG]

On May 15 2009 06:18 LucasWoJ wrote:
Your post is a troll post, Caller.

We should not take it seriously.

Yet.

On May 16 2009 13:07 Ver wrote:


You never spoke as araav. Nice try.

On May 16 2009 14:08 Malongo wrote:
If plexa is mafia caller is too.

On May 16 2009 16:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
I would agree with you normally caller that it is weird. But i would make a shite mayor. You would make a better mayor than i would, and i would argue better than Ver. I believe Ver would make a better pardoner than mayor, etc...

In a vet game, It's no longer a game of rush for mayor for a) bg protection (although nice perk) b) its placing yourself where you think your strengths would be best. I don't think the mayor spot would be done justice by me.

On May 17 2009 01:52 LucasWoJ wrote:
That was after reading infundumbilum's post. A few things are different, namely Ver being good at clue analyzing (he's stated the direct opposite in the past) and Caller.

On May 16 2009 23:44 LucasWoJ wrote:



From past experience, I say "Don't listen to malongo in the least bit until the night right before either side wins." Let's do that this time around.

Out of curiosity (and I haven't read the posts below yours yet: I'm just responding as I go), why Caller?

On May 17 2009 03:25 Ace wrote:
Oh I should mention I want to be Mayor/Pardoner because I just don't trust medics or townies in general to protect me. Last game was really the last straw for me in that regard :/

On May 17 2009 03:29 Ace wrote:
^_^

It's also the reason I'd never vote for you Caller. You are just terrible in any position where you get to make decisions alone v_v

On May 17 2009 04:45 MTF wrote:
Ver is no doubt very intelligent and puts a tremendous effort into the game, but he lacks the ability to get under peoples skin. Showtime, Caller, and Ace have that ability in spades. And that is a larger part of Mafia than I think many players realize. It's not enough to just be able to pin down and call out Mafia members with definitive proof or verbose appeals to the town. You need to make Mafia and the supposed town uncomfortable, mad at you, and you need to be able to be able to throw out random insults or vague accusations without remorse. I think Ver is much too polite for that. I'd rather see him in Pardoner role assisting the mayor, but not having the primary voice.

I think I'd prefer either Ace or Showtime in the mayoral spot. Ace has proven his ability to lead in the past, as well as provided TL Mafia with it's first real glimpse at good town structuring. Showtime on the other hand has not really ever been in a leadership position but, as far as I can tell, has been a constant commodity to it's various faces throughout TL Mafia. I'd like to see how he'd approach the game from a leadership perspective.

Mynock and BloodyC0bbler are known to have intelligent views in general and are active contributors in the game, but I think a leadership role needs to be more than protection for those who can pin Mafia down.

So, if I were the collective town consciousness I would be aiming for Ace as Mayor and Ver as Pardoner. As is, I'm voting for Showtime, simply because I'm curious and think he might do well if given the chance.

On May 17 2009 05:46 nemY wrote:
All but one that I know of =]

On May 17 2009 05:47 nemY wrote:
Well you're making it kind of obvious :[

On May 17 2009 12:43 LucasWoJ wrote:


Okay malongo. Calm down. Last game, mafia feasted off of the town's reckless emotions and kept the town in perpetual chaos. You're doing the exact same thing with your post.


@ Tricode: Just so you know, you're derailing the thread without having resolved the nemy "situation." Although your post was made in good humor, please don't do that now.



Personally, I'm inclined to think that nemy himself would not be clever enough to have thought of what you proposed, Ver (namely, run for mayor, roleclaim blue when he's really the traitor). I doubt anyone suggested the idea to him, too. If I recall correctly from previous games, nemy is generally not a "late-game player, meaning he does not strive to outlive anyone. To me, he seems to be a retarded blue.

On May 17 2009 15:16 Vivi57 wrote:
so nemy went from running on air to roleclaiming dt out of nowhere

after a LONG time, he finally posts pms with little to no info in them which prove nothing

now, he wants to be PARDONER, not mayor.


call me paranoid, but I definitely don't trust nemy's position.

On May 17 2009 15:16 Incognito wrote:
Not that ballsy unless Im green. Caller's game very little risks(GF). The risks I did take I solved by silencing mikeymoo. Last game a failed hectic crazy plan that wouldn't have worked anyway.

On May 17 2009 15:33 Incognito wrote:


You forget that there were also tiny informative posts asking why we (town) could purposely lose in order to hear you singing. Subtle and perhaps ballsy, but I wouldn't make tiny informative posts just for no reason. It was to gain trust. Here, defending nemY would not help me gain trust. Thus there would be little to no reason to do that if I were mafia.

Am I not allowed to use red tags unless its a serious accusation? (Look at SoG's posts) I was seriously considering removing the red tags. I ended up not doing that. Probably should have huh? Other than that I have stated many times (including in that post) that I am not accusing you now. If you really want to you can keep bringing up the subject. But right now I think it would be better not to sidetrack the us on some pretty useless accusation. Unless you think this accusation is the key to proving both me and nemY as mafia. Which I highly doubt you can do. If you can't, then I'd suggest we return to the task at hand which would be to elect a mayor.

On May 17 2009 17:58 Ace wrote:


Actually his post makes sense though - it sums up exactly why nemy needs to be killed. I'll explain this in my big post coming soon.

On May 17 2009 18:14 Ace wrote:



exactly. Which is why I hardly have long PM discussions when I play this game.

On May 17 2009 22:56 Ace wrote:
Yo Mynock I was thinking of this little scenario, it's kinda interesting.

Mayors and Pardoners can't be figured out by DTs. So surely we expect one of the candidates to be Mafia. Whoever it is must think they have a reasonable shot at winning.

They probably thought about this but didn't want to bring it up:

All losing candidates should be investigated by a DT.

whoa whats that? Yup, if you lose you are getting investigated.

So now whoever that mafia candidate is HAS to win if the Town goes forward with this idea. Losing the election means getting found out. So if you weren't winning at first it might be a good idea to get real desperate huh?

On May 18 2009 03:57 Ace wrote:


How about:

we just don't elect nemy period.

Sounds like a smart plan to me.

On May 18 2009 04:14 Ace wrote:


no

On May 18 2009 04:21 0cz3c wrote:
OR....


We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o

On May 18 2009 05:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


I don't know man. It would be nice to hear from the future mayor Ver. But a lot of what to do after the election depends on who our pardoner is.

What about the first lynch? I still think we should lynch an inactive. The only people who have been one hundred percent inactive, interestingly, are MrBabyHands and Camlito. Fusionsdf and Plexa and infinity21 come close. Other people have posted only a few 1-2 line posts, as Incognito pointed out a while ago.

On May 18 2009 07:03 Incognito wrote:
I feel uncomfortable about Ver since he really isn't doing what he says he would be doing. Traitor? Maybe. But that's besides the point. This L/Ace argument is getting us nowhere. And you both know it. I doubt nemY is mafia. On the other hand, I do have doubts on Ver/BC. I really don't trust Showtime! in a position where he is not able to be confirmed. And if Ace is going to act this way as mayor he probably shouldn't be mayor.

The thing is, if nemY is DT I would be ok with him being mayor/pardoner. Yes its good to protect key players. But these key players are generally hard to figure out. And on top of that, a lot of information can come from their deaths, assuming they take those precautions. However, a dead DT isn't worth all that much.

On May 18 2009 13:33 MTF wrote:
MrBabyHands is who I'd go with.

I don't know what you're basing your own suspicion on and lynching on Day 1 clues is pretty much universally agreed upon as a bad idea, but it's all I know so:



All of the above indicates that the attacker is possibly small. He is not seen by Qatol when he turns around to find who was talking, the attacker leaps to strike Qatol's chest, and may have needed whoever attacked LTT's help in pushing the body into the water.

On May 18 2009 13:56 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Yo for the record.

I voted Caller.

On May 18 2009 16:07 Ace wrote:
How is he punishing the town? Nemy played dumb, and in a game this level he got caught in a big lie.

Hence, he's very likely mafia.

Sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

As for my trio, I don't know about those other 2 guys for sure but I'm innocent. Detectives should be checking Mynock, BC, Showtime! and Caller soon anyway.

On May 18 2009 16:07 Ace wrote:
How is he punishing the town? Nemy played dumb, and in a game this level he got caught in a big lie.

Hence, he's very likely mafia.

Sorry but that's the way the cookie crumbles sometimes.

As for my trio, I don't know about those other 2 guys for sure but I'm innocent. Detectives should be checking Mynock, BC, Showtime! and Caller soon anyway.

On May 19 2009 06:26 Ace wrote:



how many am I up to now? I like to know my score when I'm playing a game.

On May 19 2009 06:31 Ace wrote:


uh what? I don't think you've been paying attention so let me clear it up for you...

This whole lynching nemy idea is giving the town tons of information. I've expressed my views on why nemy is useless plenty of times.

L gets to see where my motives are, and so does the town.

I likewise get to see his motives too.

We also get to see the vote records of the people that voted one way, but said something else in the thread.

Oops almost forgot - we get to read posts about people for/against my idea of lynching nemy and how "supportive" they appear.

Last but not least, the best posts of all are those people that don't even pay attention to it and just try and bring up another point.

Trust me when I say I pay far more attention to everyone's posts than you people realize.

^_^

On May 19 2009 06:57 0cz3c wrote:
I thought I'd try my hand at this, by the way. Empirically based, by the way.

Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 5 percentage points for total accuracy)
1. Caller - 36%
2. Incognito - 34%
3. scamp - 14%
4. scaramanga - 98%
5. bloodyc0bbler - 31%
6. fishball - 19%
7. nemy - 78%
8. fusionsdf - 67%
9. Ver - 59%
10. bockit - 71%
11. plexa - 70%
12. camlito - 82%
13. showtime! - 20%
14. mikeymoo - 45%
15. dreamflower - 47%
16. ace - 9%
17. infundibulum - 43%
18. vivi57 - 38%
19. mynock - 28%
20. lucaswoj - 35%
21. amber[light] - 39%
22. rebirthoflegend - 89%
23. MTF - 78%
24. 0cz3c - 100%
25. infinity21 - 87%
26. heavonearth - 95%
27. Tricode - 94%
28. Malongo - 0%
29. MrBabyHands - 69%
30. L - 63%

Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...2 percentage points)
1. Caller - 64%
2. Incognito - 66%
3. scamp - 86%
4. scaramanga - 0%
5. bloodyc0bbler - 69%
6. fishball - 50%
7. nemy - 36%
8. fusionsdf - 70%
9. Ver - 89%
10. bockit - 11%
11. plexa - 17%
12. camlito - 43%
13. showtime! - 19%
14. mikeymoo - 61%
15. dreamflower - 54%
16. ace - 91%
17. infundibulum - 85%
18. vivi57 - 42%
19. mynock - 28%
20. lucaswoj - 68%
21. amber[light] - 59%
22. rebirthoflegend - 0.0001%
23. MTF - 17%
24. 0cz3c - 100%
25. infinity21 - ~30%
26. heavonearth - 23%
27. Tricode - 35%
28. Malongo - 0%
29. MrBabyHands - 25%
30. L - 34%

On May 19 2009 07:01 Ace wrote:


oh my, looks like you have a contradiction in your post.

On May 19 2009 08:12 Fishball wrote:
Why do I only get a 19%?
Shit.

On May 19 2009 08:21 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
much like caller, he be mad red yo

On May 19 2009 08:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
0cz, infinity is dead and green, he would have 100% townie alignment :p

On May 19 2009 13:28 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


maybe it would be better to just check to see if it is a clue at all?

On May 19 2009 13:47 Ace wrote:


whats your point?

On May 19 2009 13:32 Qatol wrote:

"This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man.

He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.

A storm started to rage over Liquidia as the night waned. A little gray and red bird flew around aimlessly looking for shelter. It stopped at the town cemetery, resting briefly on Qatol's tombstone, before deciding to cower near LTT's headstone. However, a particularly strong gust of wind knocked the headstone over, crushing the bird.

On May 19 2009 14:17 nemY wrote:
nothing useful, "There was no clear horizon separating the star-filled sky and the dark, choppy waters of the Liquia Sea." is red-herring. I'ma die tonight.

On May 19 2009 14:25 nemY wrote:


Can you guarantee my protection for tonight?

On May 19 2009 14:26 Incognito wrote:
Caller the only reason why you think cognizance is a clue pointing to me is because you made it a clue pointing to me when i was mafia in your game

On May 19 2009 14:27 Tricode wrote:


The traitor thing doesn't make sense! Unless Traitor's role changed since the last time i looked at it. He can't kill people. He would have to mafia do it for him.

On May 19 2009 14:28 nemY wrote:
Ugh fine take it for what it's worth please.

On May 19 2009 14:36 Ace wrote:
Of course L, he PM'd me the same thing. In fact he kept PMing me and every time he was getting worried about Ver and told me he was trying to contact him. For a guy with 62 PMs he sure didn't pay attention to the little people. Who the hell was he talking to? Like he said in a Veteran game surely nobody would role claim - so why does he have so many PMs?

On May 19 2009 14:39 Ace wrote:



ohhhh now you're thinking

So even if the Mayor isn't confirmed, it shows that people may still send him info like a certain few people did last game right Caller?

Now start putting it all together.

On May 19 2009 14:45 Vivi57 wrote:

That's just so unlikely.

you're saying ver *somehow* got the roles of his bodyguards *then* found a mafia to pm them to all to make a plan to kill ace?

If killing ace was the plan, 3 hits on ace the first night would have gotten him anyway (assuming no med prot)

On May 19 2009 14:47 Vivi57 wrote:

wait, wouldn't it have gone bg bg ace if 3 were stacked?

On May 19 2009 14:48 L wrote:
Vivi, that 3 hits shit you just said: dunce cap.

On May 19 2009 14:54 L wrote:
Did you read what he wrote? That's not how the game's rules work. All night actions happen at the exact same time. All of them work. You can't kill a vig in order to prevent his hit, nor can a vig drop the kp of mafia to reduce the amount of kills that happen. Medics can't be killed to remove their protection during that night.

On May 19 2009 15:03 L wrote:
I mean, you'd think someone named caller would know about calling people out.

HAHA ITS A JOKE :D.

On May 19 2009 15:04 nemY wrote:


I'm down for a double lynch. Let's lynch Ace and Ver shall we? ;D

On May 19 2009 15:08 Incognito wrote:


Hey guys I just realized...IF THIS IS REAL ANOTHER DT HAS THE SAME PIC.

If you are this DT, it is safe to roleclaim to nemY. If you do not have this same pic, nemY is a fraud. I doubt Qatol would send a red herring pic to one DT and not the other. Is my logic flawed here anyone?

On May 19 2009 15:10 Incognito wrote:
Oh true. Hmm...well if you did get a red herring pic...

On May 20 2009 05:49 0cz3c wrote:
Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.

On May 20 2009 06:05 Ace wrote:
He's not a confirmed DT stop saying that nonsense.

On May 20 2009 06:08 Ace wrote:
Haven't you guys learned anything about clue checks yet?

On May 20 2009 06:21 Amber[LighT] wrote:


There's only one medic left...

On May 20 2009 06:33 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
neither ver or ace look like they are red.

On May 20 2009 06:37 0cz3c wrote:


Ok. I get what you're saying. To the gallows with Nemy!

On May 20 2009 07:53 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


this is definitely solid though it seems almost too easy. also there's nothing really to link to the fact that the mafia doesn't say anything. he just screams and yells like a wild animal. I guess you could connect that to UFC haha.

i also love how nobody seems to read my posts

On May 20 2009 08:30 Showtime! wrote:
Stick to your guns all you want.

I don't care. Your opinion means very little right now.

I'll stick to my behavioral analysis for the time being thank you very much.

On May 20 2009 09:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ace, how about he uses this instead

fishball had a rake stuff up his ass, this means he prob died crying, so it ended in tears.

On May 20 2009 12:26 Qatol wrote:

In addition, all vigis are rewarded with 7 bonus hits for their cooperation and will be given the mafia + traitor list.

On May 20 2009 13:06 L wrote:

No it doesn't. The strategy for the lynch revolves around the double lynch and pardoner. The RISK that he's mafia makes this the proper move. This is risk management.

I've already asked the vig to hit ace tonight if he isn't lynched, but why depend on a single person?

You're asking questions like "is ace innocent", and I'm saying "i don't care". 50% suspicion is PLENTY. Lynch him. Find his colour. Look at the voting records. Look at his early supporters and people who joined the ace wagon late. Don't fucking delay the biggest treasure trove of information we have from being opened, and don't rely on a single person who may or may not make the hit. Vigilantes are unpredictable. Caller proved that last game.

And yeah, you ARE implying that ace is innocent. WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER WHAT VER FLIPS? IT TELLS US NOTHING. There's no additional info here. Pretty sure fusion's post drilled that into your head. Ace and Ver's rivalry today can be interpreted as sincere or an obvious mafia setup for a red-herring. You want to know why I know that? Because

1: I was saying the 3 musketeers would pull shit like that during day 1. They did.

2: Its what we did in.. every game as mafia prior to this. Standard damage control. Mafia scared one of their own looks too juicy a target? Start incriminating him. Get the ball rolling. Take credit for something town would have done and get confidence in that manner.

On May 20 2009 16:39 L wrote:
I can go on, there are plenty of other posts which show you working together with the two mentioned in order to try and put forth the same argument. You working with Ver/Mynock isn't 100% grounds for guilt, but the way you're taking it as a death threat indicates that I've hit oil and you're going to keep gushing for me.

On May 20 2009 16:47 L wrote:
I made a super general argument because there's a LOOOOOOOOOOOOT of material.

Go to search on the top left of the TL interface, put in whatever, then go search advanced by limiting results to content by Ace and picking Mynock or Ver as the subject field. It will give you a list of all of his posts where he mentions the person stated.

I will make a picture.

On May 21 2009 01:37 MTF wrote:
I'm lynching Ver. I don't see at all why so many people think Ace is dirty this game (especially when compared with Ver's inactivity) and I do not agree with lynching him just to be safe at the next vote.

As for lynching Dreamflower, while both BC and I came up with (differing) sets of clues pointing to her, I feel it would be more sensible to kill off Ver (who I believe is red) based on clues/behavior rather than just Dreamflower off of clues alone.

And would you mind telling me exactly why you voted for me, Caller? You don't have to, I'm really just curious. :p

most likely both

-----------------------------------------
Original Message:
do you think L is traitor or something

or is he just retarded

On May 21 2009 02:59 L wrote:


Lol, compare that to my pms:



And its not really an underground network. Voting in mafia to office always uses the same pattern. Go look at previous games. No, seriously, this is Mynock homework. Want to do some good for the town? Go label the voting order for every mafia voter in each mafia office attempt. See if you find a pattern. I know what it is and have posted it. Go see if i'm full of shit.

On May 21 2009 05:52 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
What if Ace Ver and L are all innocent?
Who is the mysterious man in the shadows, pulling the strings?

:tinfoil hat:

On May 21 2009 06:04 Tricode wrote:
Holy fucking shit! I caught up finally! Jeez L and Ace, fucking get a room or something. You sound like my parents...well Ace actually sounds more intelligent then my parents lol.

On May 21 2009 12:13 MTF wrote:
And with Caller's switch we have Ver & Ace tied at 11 each.

Wonder why Caller voted for me in the first place, after all.

On May 21 2009 12:15 Ace wrote:
It's 10 to 11, Ver has 2 votes not 3.

But yea Caller just fucked himself over. Oh well.

On May 21 2009 12:16 Ace wrote:


MTF fishy?

...

This is a Veteran's game at least make your bullshit interesting (this goes for you too BC)

On May 21 2009 12:19 MTF wrote:


Why switch at all, then? What changed between then and now, ignoring the obvious changes of the time before the vote ends and the arrival of several previously quiet Ver supporters?

On May 21 2009 12:19 Ace wrote:
yea you just "randomly" voted for someone after less than 10 hours ago you were having pretty coherent arguments with L.

Then you call out MTF for being fishy when he's been pretty sane in his arguments thus far.

Just dont be surprised you get to sit in the derp derp section with BC and dreamflower (Ver can't sit with you he'll be dead by then)

On May 21 2009 12:22 MTF wrote:


The only person I went into the analysis thinking were suspicious out of those I listed as being possible matches was Ver, and I like to believe I can separate my bias from my analysis. Dreamflower and Infundibulum just came up.

On May 21 2009 12:24 Ace wrote:


which would mean you would have never voted for me if you didn't think I was mafia. Come on man, do better than that.

On May 21 2009 12:25 MTF wrote:


That's a laughable argument to use. Really.

It's even moreso in that the only information that you could be wanting to innocently hide, namely that you were a DT and rolechecked either Ace or Ver, is impossible at this point in the game.

On May 21 2009 12:27 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:

I am a couple of pages back, but for the record.

I voted Caller.

On May 21 2009 12:32 Malongo wrote:

Ver is not blue. Why the hell do you think a veteran would go first in mayorals runners, win the fucking election and all the reasons i labeled before. In fact if he is veteran he is a dumbass. Put yourself in Vers "veteran" position you will see the truth. As I said I dont have a fucking real clue against Ace but VER IS NOT TOWNIE SIDE

a Roleclaim MAYOR veteran LOL!
b Lynched infinity a random player that gave us 0 info about the mayorals or inactives
c Lucaswoj incident (I think mafia just messed up with milkymoo)
d Random activity posting
e Not lynching Nemy.
f PMs

All this are not little mistakes: they are plain stupid plays, VER IS SMART ENOUGH NOT TO DO THIS IF TOWN SIDED.

On May 21 2009 12:35 Malongo wrote:

Caller:
Mafia KP=3 2 veterans in the game. DO YOU RUN AS MAYOR? Hell NO.

On May 21 2009 12:52 L wrote:
And caller, the sketchiness of what you just did is pretty fucking off the charts.

On May 21 2009 12:58 L wrote:

You're part of that sudden change of votes.

If you were suspicious of people who are on the lists voting now, we could figure out their stories with the confirmation of mafia/town post lynch of Ace and Ver and your suspicions would come to good use. We would be doing so on Day 4 with another 2 days worth of clue analysis and 2 days worth of mafia hits to give us information.

So why the fuck would you say: Yo, guys, don't fling mud, that's weird, then toss a gigantic glob of it with the intention of fucking the town out of its best bet?

I just dont' get that. I don't think i CAN get that. This is why I want to know what Ace/Ver flip. If you ARE mafia, i will be able to see you early on the Ver list. I will see your fucking retarded voting here. I will be able to examine what a mafia would do in that situation.

On May 21 2009 13:01 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


asdf i don't think you needed to do this at all

On May 21 2009 13:26 Ace wrote:



seriously...what the fuck?

On May 21 2009 13:27 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


I'm under the impression that he is going to be modkilled no matter what... maybe I misread something?

On May 21 2009 13:39 Ace wrote:
I hope I die by Ninja execution squad, it's the only way to go.

Caller you can have my pet rock collection.

On May 21 2009 13:47 Qatol wrote:

When he asks for the modkill...........

On May 21 2009 13:50 Incognito wrote:


That's probably a lot...

On May 21 2009 15:08 Plexa wrote:
Another thing I don't like...

Day 1 we saw the use of Arrows to kill people (kinda like hunters did), and in Day 2 we have a mafioso "hunting" his victim (and later pulling out a knife, which gets special mention ie is important). This consistent idea of hunting could link to Callers quote
"Attacking a Terran without any lurkers is like going hunting without your accordion."
There are also enough references to sound in those paragraphs to account for the accordian (or lack of)

On May 21 2009 15:20 Incognito wrote:
Well, speaking of planning (*cough* L *cough*), what do we do with dreamflower's hit? She is already exposed to the mafia, might as well attempt to use it before we lose it.

On May 21 2009 15:44 Plexa wrote:
I spent saturday violently throwing up
Sunday trying to walk
Monday trying to get myself in a position to go back to univ
Tuesday I went back, only to come back home after an hour
Wednesday I completed a day of uni, still felt like shit
Today: well now im fucking posting

On May 21 2009 15:47 Plexa wrote:
I feel better now

On May 21 2009 15:49 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
caller, stop getting into plexas pants

On May 21 2009 15:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
hahahahaha, god your fast

On May 22 2009 02:34 MTF wrote:
Well, we fucked up. Sort of. Like Mynock said that lynching Ver was the right decision. It just wouldn't have happened to have a good outcome, no matter how it played out. But, hey, at least we'd still have someone who cared about the game in still.

That said, I'm not giving up.



I actually agree fully with this. Here is my reasoning:

Caller has been playing Mr. Middle Ground all game, never posts anything truly constructive, and seems to just be feigning a high level of activity by responding to peoples posts with "LOL" and such. Also, the way he voted towards the end of last night was very odd, in that he flip-flopped suddenly twice between the candidates. And now that we know that both were innocent, we know that Mafia probably didn't care which of them got killed or not, because either way, half of town would be up in arms about it.

Though perhaps it should be noted that Ver roleclaimed as Vet long before the vote ended. That would have given Mafia some incentive to switch over some members to his side.

Rebirth has been played the "I don't know what's going on, guys" card, which is usually unacceptable to me with town-side. However, with one of his recent posts that highlighted people who voted for Ver as well as voted for Ace to be lynched, his name is cleared a bit in my mind. It seemed like a sincere effort, and only Mafia would have known for sure at that point that both Ace and Ver were not Mafia.

Which is another thing. Though they were right, keep the people who were saying that we shouldn't lynch either leader in mind. This is a category simply because it's a smart play to have a few members advocate against the lynching when it's already obvious it's going to happen and you know the outcome is in your favor no matter who it is that is lynched.

These include:

Showtime! - Voted for Plexa to get some activity out of him.
Caller - Claimed he thought the lynch was stupid which is why he switched his vote to me, before going back and forth later. Voted Ace (maybe just a joke), MTF, Ace, Ver.
Amber[Light] - Just stated that he didn't think either leader should be lynched, then voted Ace.

On May 22 2009 04:18 fusionsdf wrote:


Do you have any posts by ver confirming/hinting at this from before he died? Otherwise you can just say whatever you want, and ver can't correct any misstatements.

I think you're innocent. I also think you're a blue.

Unfortunately nobody is voting for you (I'd rather have you in since I think you are the most innocent).

What do you think about the auto lynch? We can a) choose an inactive b) we can choose a big shot c) we can choose someone stupid.

Also, who of the candidates do you suspect? I'm positive at least one of them is mafia. It doesn't look to be Ace anymore so Mynock/Showtime are both very questionable. They've gotten too many votes for my liking.

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Original Message:
hahaha mtf
OMG PLEXA BANDWAGON VOTE AWAY FROM HIM

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Original Message:
I agree pardonner has some use. In the balancing we made it so that pardonner can pardon the mayor's auto lynch; quite handy.

I too would like you/I elected as things stand right now. We just need to stop mtf from scheming his way in again.

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yo,

remember that big plan I made a while back for Ace's game? Well I'm checking the rules for this game, and since the pardoner's back, I think it might be possible to use the pardoner as a way to "incriminate" people, i.e. threaten to lynch person a, pardon them, let mafia hit them. I mean pardoner use is just weird, and obviously limited as well, so why would mafia just ignore its use unless pardoner is mafia, in which case that will be apparent soon enough?

Thoughts will be more coherent when I'm not half-asleep -_-

(title: What are the chances...)
That nobody in the mafia is running.

I'm trying to form a picture of things and it simply isn't clear.

People are switching votes too easily.

Mafia candidates have always gotten elected if they bothered to run. Always. So why were so many people eager to switch around.

Mafia definitely has some good players but I'm honestly not sure what to make of this. Also looks like I can't go with the lynch ace plan b/c he's pardonner. I'm considering mynock but that might be hasty given the above.

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We have 48 hours.

I want to lure out as many mafia as possible.

The smart people who go with this BS logic are the culprits.

So far that's Ace, L, and possibly incognito.from me? I don't want the innocent townies leaping on me.

I'm staying quiet until the right moment.

I encourage you to troll hard though. Don't worry ill tell qatol it is with a just cause :D

Here are the ppl I pm'ed to get support. If they don't do it something is fishy:

you
bc
showtime
dreamflower
tricode (bc pm'ed or will)
plexa
scamp
infundibulum

I think the vast majority/all of these are innocent. But just as a contingency.
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I guess the answer is to spam inflammatory comments then, no?

On May 22 2009 07:25 HeavOnEarth wrote:
oh true, cause you don't even know if you're a BG eh.
possibly they got lucky? =/

On May 22 2009 13:34 Tricode wrote:
..........why did you announce that?

On May 22 2009 13:35 Tricode wrote:
@caller, wouldn't it have been better if they didn't know?

On May 22 2009 13:38 Tricode wrote:
@caller no but i mean, wouldn't it be better if mafia didn't know so if they did try to hit her, they would miss (assuming that she is not mafia for those who are still unsure about DF).

Now they would either have to stack or go after others. =\

On May 22 2009 13:40 Tricode wrote:
@caller, well as long as it is to late for them i guess that's cool. But what if Qatol is late and they have the extra time to switch who they want to kill =\?

On May 14 2009 16:16 Qatol wrote:
1. Caller

I can't believe I lost it. This will be shorter and I might forget some stuff but I'll try to put down the important parts. It's from we figured last night in combination with evidence dug from random places.

I posted this in the thread but I'll put it here too for reference.

not mafia:

1. Caller
2. Incognito
3. scamp
6. fishball (Paramedic)
7. nemy
9. Ver (Mayor)
14. mikeymoo (Bodyguard)
15. dreamflower
16. ace (Pardoner)
17. infundibulum
19. mynock
20. LucasWoJ (Bodyguard)
21. amber[light]
25. infinity21 (green)
30. L

At most 1/6 mafia on this list

Cannot prove:

Scara
Bockit
Plexa
Cam
Showtime
vivi
rol
mtf
0cz3c
heavon
tricode
malongo
mbh

Reds (most likely):

Scara
Bockit
MBH/MTF
Plexa
Showtime
malongo/rol/vivi
cam


Scara gave me this list after being pressured to reveal his role:

"fine im mafia, so is ace, ver, infundi, mtf, plexa"

First 3 are not mafia. If MTF/Plexa are not mafia then camlito is (1 clue analyzer at least must be mafia) and so must be MBH, because either MTF or MBH must be mafia (or L or incognito but that's much less likely). I think MTF is more likely innoccent than MBH simply because of last nights hits. Who else would hit fishball?

0cz3c had a random percentages post that put scara, bockit, mtf, 0zc3c, tricode, malongo, and rol as 100 percent innocent. Which is amusing and perhaps not coincidental because none of those people I can prove innocent at all. Tricode is still an unsustantiated dt, same w/ malongo and medic, and the rest have varying degrees of evidence against them. 0cz3c himself is extremely suspicious overall; I can't see him doing this as a non-dt/town role again.

Bockit definitely feels mafia. This is just intuition though since I've skimmed so much of the thread. Note a few things: he supported showtime in the election, but showtime didn't have any other suspicious votes iirc (maybe 1 suspicious one). He also called out plexa and supported camlito with AWFUL logic.

MBH obviously has everything against him and nothing for him. The only way he could be innocent is if he's doing exactly what I'm doing but that makes no sense. He's smart enough to realize the town is making terrible blunders in all of this and his votes/posts prove he's been around. I can't see how he isn't mafia. This of course proves MTF innocent and puts more doubt on Camlito/Plexa.

Camlito hates being mafia. So his apathy (similar to me when I'm mafia) could be taken that way as well.

Plexa is acting similar to how he was in AMW but it's hard to tell either way. I mean I suppose they both could be mafia, especially if MTF is innocent, but it's uncertain as of now.

Showtime seems to be innocent but he's pretty skilled at hiding so I honestly don't know.

Vivi is also very questionable overall; he could be blue/red but I don't like his lack of activity at all. I thought rol/scara suspicious since they weren't yelling at 0cz3c but rol finally did so that's uncertain. RoL in my game was very aggressive but the mafia

rol is probably innocent. When he's mafia he's more aggressive but mafia isn't doing that strategy this time. He's also pm'ing me like an innocent would and shares a lot of my analysis.

I keep forgetting about fusionsdf. Now that I think of it he's showing a lot of mafia/blue characteristics. Very strong candidate as well.

Same with heavonearth. He is very active yet is posting nothing helpful.

Just a random thought. be a little cautious on infundibulum. 90% innocent but he's one of the few on that list I'm uncertain of.


mbh
bockit
0cz3c
heavon
fusion


are all ridiculously likely mafia. Cam probably too. We can start from there.

On May 22 2009 14:03 Qatol wrote:

Doesn't matter. she is also 100% Confirmed Dead

On May 22 2009 14:04 Malongo wrote:

Last words?

On May 22 2009 14:04 Tricode wrote:
@caller......should i be thanking you or be mad that we lost another townie?

On May 22 2009 14:05 Qatol wrote:

So are you. Heed your own advice please.

On May 22 2009 14:06 Qatol wrote:

[23:04] Caller: yes i am
[23:04] Caller: but i'm not dead yet ^^
Caller
Happy? Now let me fix the day post please

On May 22 2009 14:15 L wrote:
I was pretty sure I was going to die tonight, so I've already told all the important townies about each other in small groups.

There's going to be an avalanche of high quality analysis posted tomorrow.

lets have fun watching the game from the sidelines, now, caller.

On May 24 2009 14:14 Ace wrote:
lolololololololol

On May 24 2009 14:16 Ace wrote:
I just realized this is the second game in a row Caller got me killed.

Third game overall cuz he failed as a bodyguard in Mafia 2.

:/

On May 24 2009 14:18 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


those chatlogs were the fucking best

On May 24 2009 14:30 Tricode wrote:


No i didn't cause it didn't pull through sorry. Plus i had people defending me and willing to pull out in the last second if i requested it.

What you think i was doing through pms? You were not the only person i talked to.

Why you think Ocz3c pulled out from me?

You took my bait and if i died you and cob were coming down with me if everything went right.

You could of killed me but i don't think you or Cob would of gotten away after that.

On May 24 2009 14:32 Tricode wrote:
12 townies left 6 mafia.

would have been tie =\.

Damn you're right mafia would have the advantage.

On May 24 2009 15:12 mikeymoo wrote:

This is how players generally read posts when there's 4+ pages to catch up on.
"filler... filler... OOH BIG POST WITH COLOURS MUST BE ACCURATE...
filler... filler... malongo's an idiot... L is lashing out... filler...
OOH COLOURS"
I think it was Caller's strategy to blend in not making informative posts but still posting.

On May 24 2009 15:26 Incognito wrote:
BC when did you get in contact with the mafia?

On May 27 2009 22:57 Ace wrote:
:/

I don't think you understand.

Ver sent me a PM saying he wants to kill you or MBH.

He lynches infinty21.

Then 2 bodyguards die the next day.

Seriously how hard is this to figure out? Sure the kills were dumb luck but from the town's POV that was damn near impossible. Look at the odds of both bodyguards dying and tell me how your post makes any sense

On May 28 2009 00:43 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Amber, you attribute it to dumb luck (which apparently it was) and as the town we looked at the statistic probability of them both dying, it was something like 1 in 680? I can't remember. With those odds we had to assume that they leaked to someone, even though I couldn't see mikeymoo doing that but I don't know much about lucas.

From our perspective they had to leak to someone to make it even possible, at least one of them. The dumb luck scenario required well, way too much dumb luck.

So we decided to purge the office of red.

There was no red.

Fuck.

That is basically what happened. If you can't see how that fucked the town over, then you need to think more. Combine that with the random ass infinity21 lynch as opposed to 1/2 mafia and we were like "Wtf? Something is not right in there"

A lot of bad luck plagued the town and turned us stupid. If those two things didn't happen, if you hit any other blue this game might of gone different.