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0cz3c
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BloodyC0bbler
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On May 18 2009 07:52 Incognito wrote: This what? Is why you swtiched voting to Ace 20 minutes ago and said you were going to post an explanation, only to take 20 minutes to quote someone and write one word??? Because I had to read the thread? There were about 4 pages to catch up on. I changed my vote due to certain pms I received when I logged into tl, based on questions I'd asked certain people before I even changed my vote from showtime to mynock, who hadn't responded until I had already gone to bed. Me quoting a post and saying "This" means I in general echo the sentiments of "This" ie the quote I posted. In other words, I agree with mikeymoo. | ||
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Then NemY flat out says he got caught lying and I figure Ace is a good choice because he's basically been proven correct. Now there's the idea that they BOTH might be red? My mind is about to fucking explode. | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On May 18 2009 07:58 BloodyC0bbler wrote: The issue being bockit, Ace has gotten random mystery votes, showing signs of mafia possibly pushing him into mayor position. They auto lynch nemy, he in worst case scenario flips blue and town starts the we are fucked boat. I will admit, I haven't checked the vote thread yet, again, I voted after seeing my pms, irrespective of having read the thread, because I couldn't be arsed doing time conversions and just wanted to get my vote in before any vote closing. I'm now going to re-read the last few pages and check vote thread and see if I want to change my vote! | ||
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Bockit
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Ace is way too aggressive, Nemy is way too retarded. Its too cookie cutter perfect. | ||
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Incognito
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BloodyC0bbler
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
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Scamp
United States1086 Posts
Perhaps I was a little premature in voting for Ace but I certainly don't want to keep switching my vote constantly. I'll definitely think about it more, though. I've got six hours. I personally want to hear more from Ver. It seems to me like he's just coasting into an elected spot at this point. (Unless he's very active behind the scenes right now.) | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
And yet he's not. Btw incognito, why make a post calling Ver out on this, and then follow it up with "why is nobody commenting on this" and then move your vote from Ace (Believe it or not, I can understand why you are worried about a bandwagon, I'm not personally worried about this, in fact I'm happy that he got the votes but I can understand your worries) to Ver? And if you feel that strongly about Ace, you just put him into pardoner, which most people are willing to agree is a more powerful position than mayor for mafia. This is a large factor in why I put my vote on Ace from Mynock, because it disrupted the current status quo of the election and I wanted to see who made moves to put it back to where it was. | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
I especially want to hear more from Ver. | ||
Ver
United States2186 Posts
Yes Scamp I've been pm'ing people actively. I didn't want to post and get stuck in this quagmire; confirm my behavior now with my behavior 2 games ago (when I was vigi and took 3 hits night 1). I stayed out of the vigi debates then because there was no benefit to joining them. It's policy to give the mafia rope for hanging themselves and to not get stuck in the bushes on dumb discussion. Now onto the Nemy thing: The interesting part of the Nemy situation is it gives the mafia a chance to argue the town's case which does not hurt the mafia. I jumped on this early to let others blend in and see how far they would go. But yes, the town does not want Nemy in office. Every single person who is voting for Nemy is voting because they are afraid of losing a DT early (and thus are almost assuredly town). That is not the right kind of logic. His behavior, at the very least, has been EXTRMELY fishy. There's more to it though. I'll say it right now; Nemy is not mafia (the only possibility is that he is mafia and Ace & co want to use him as a sacrifice to prove their innocence). a) his move is WAY too quick for being mafia (mafia need time to organize). b) it makes no sense. In a veteran's game? Why would a mafia pull this? Yeah a lot of gullible/fearful people are voting for him (STOP NOW). So yes if Nemy is mafia and he's being used as a sacrifice we'll find that out soon enough. Right now there is not enough evidence to lynch Nemy on that. Yes Nemy's behavior is TERRIBLE. Seriously Nemy you know better if you are DT. Nemy is either traitor, DT, or any other town role. For all we know he could be veteran. He does this stuff in the past (false roleclaiming) and we have no reason to believe him. Only he and the mafia can prove his role from now on. The mafia doesn't know whether he's DT, traitor, or whatever. They can take the risk and hit him, or not. Either way we will force them to do our job. Again, the town has no reason to lynch Nemy. HOWEVER Ace is taking this too far. He had his rope. He had his opportunity to go appear innocent. And he hung himself on it. It is not in the town's interests to lynch Nemy. Because here's the thing, we don't want to lynch the traitor. The traitor has no ACTUAL power. The traitor's only power is influence and words. He can cause mass chaos. But if we know who the traitor is, he is POWERLESS. Nemy is not mafia unless he is a sacrifice. That means we have no reason to lynch him! Yet Ace is going all out trying to get this. Look at this from a behavior standpoint: Mafia are the ones who are this aggressive. See RoL and Attackzerg trying to get Ace lyched/discredited in BC's first game. Now for a direct comparison: remember when Ace defended mikeymoo in Caller's game (Ace was innocent so was Mikeymoo)? He was voracious in defending mikeymoo, but he was not voracious in lynching BC even though BC was full of BS. Yes he wanted BC lynched but he didn't go crazy like he is now. Because that's a sure sign of mafia behavior: being overaggressive to get a lynch. In case anyone wants to relate to the Folca/Ace scenario, that is a completely different thing. Because then Folca roleclaimed with a specific intent to prove something, i,e that Ace was mafia. Thus in that circumstance Ace's logic train is true and the correct choice of action (and he would've done it if he was townie I'm sure). Because if you lynch the accuser you know everything about the accused role. However, now here Nemy just plain roleclaimed. WHY ON EARTH WOULD WE LYNCH HIM? WE GET NO BENEFIT. NOTHING. Under the present circumstances there is NO reason to lynch Nemy. Ace you screwed up. This is not Savior sense. This is not to the benefit of the town. And you people who agree with his logic (mikeymoo, bockit), you guys better think through exactly what he's recommending. Game 3 and now are COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Furthermore, the Ace voting train, you guys are all suspect. You people are clearly trying to push him into mayor over me. Not gonna happen. I'll dissect through suspects in a bit. ------------------------------- The Mayor election: I said in my intro speech that mafia will want to cast doubt onto me. That is exactly what was happened from MTF, Mynock, and Ace (yes other people did it too but they are almost surely innocent). Mafia obviously know how dangerous I am. They want me dead. Thus mafia will attempt to subtly discredit me in any way possible, and this is exactly what the trio did. They are prime suspects at the moment (for other reasons too obviously this is just icing). As for mayor votes, they show the final part of the tell. You guys remember how I declared Caller and BC almost postively innocent very early. It was a simple trick. They did not earn ANY votes. I'll tell you right now that a mafia candidate never lacks votes. In fact, I don't think a mafia candidate has ever failed to get elected when they tried. The only possible way they could be mafia is if the mafia had so many people running that they wanted to push their most prominent candidates in. However, I believe this is extremely unlikely simply by behavior analysis. When two distinct metrics agree with each other, I think it's pretty safe to close the case. This also proves another person innocent: Showtime! I'll admit I haven't confirmed showtime innocent via behavior. He's a tricky character. But I will say that Mynock/Ace are DEFINITELY not anywhere close to being confirmed innocent. Which at least for Ace is abnormal because 2 games ago I confirmed him innocent halfway through the mayor election. This isn't that huge but it's more on the table. The Ace/Mynock problem is interesting, as one of my associates pointed out, that both of them are perfectly fine with the other getting elected. They are being way too buddy buddy with each other. My associate and myself both agree that their complete trust in each other signifies something deeper. Yes they also listed me with them, because of course they'd stand out. But furthermore I was almost guaranteed a spot at the stage (not anymore obviously; there is a distinct chance of both grabbing a slot). This is a way to read things too. I caught Camlito as a DT in BC's first game because he was so certain that I was mafia yet didn't say much or give reasons (aka he rolechecked me and I turned up mafia). This game Mynock/Ace are betray Caller/BC are both innocent as well. However, neither of them have any votes. Showtime is not here right now because he's at some family event but I have talked with him a lot. Showtime is an extremely good player who is always cloaked in the dark; if you want proof I kill him off asap even when I know he's towny. Yes he's hard to read. But he's much more likely innocent than any candidate who has more than a vote. Thus switch your votes now. We still have time. If we move fast mafia will be isolated or be forced to change their votes too. We do not want Ace, Mynock, or Nemy in office. Ace is almost positively mafia. Mynock is probably mafia but it is less certain. Nemy is probably not mafia but is useless in office. I want Caller, BC, or Showtime in office with me. But showtime is the only one who really has a chance right now. Switch to him off of Ace, Mynock, Nemy please. Summary: Don't vote for Nemy Don't vote for Ace Don't vote for Mynock Vote for Showtime | ||
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Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
Incognito, ignore most of my post, I thought you moved from Ace to Ver, not showtime to Ver, that changes a lot. My bad. | ||
Mynock
4492 Posts
Ver disappeared (no feedback whatsoever, he's essentially running on his name alone now). Ace is always a solid vote (good player, and there's only 1/5 chance he's mafia to begin with even before the roles are given out). I'm active and trying to react to whatever comes up. I stated previously that I'm comfortable with Ace or Ver in office as well (or both), but Ver's behaviour has changed since then and that makes me a little uneasy. So I'd like you to reconsider the things I've said again. I'm content with any office position (I didn't specifically ask for Pardonner, let's not mix things up), I just said that this game the two roles are pretty much the same (and no, L's ramblings don't change anything, BC) so I'd be glad with any. I want to make more this game than in certain others, and I feel I can, but I need room to do it. That comfy office will have room enough! Sure, nemY being a DT would be nice (even then, good PLAYERS > good ROLES), but let's stop for a second and realise that nemY is fishy as fuck. And his play does not warrant any kind of trust at all. So ideally, I'd like to enter office and try to be as useful as I can so I'd like you to vote for me, or alternatively, at least don't vote nemY in. | ||
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
I did not move my vote from Ace I never voted for Ace I voted for Showtime! Oh I forgot about ties. But two extra votes for mafia do a lot when there's only 30 people playing. Pretty useful for mafia as Pardonner would probably be more useful in the late game. *edit* well I guess this is useless then  And wow long post from Ver... | ||
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Mynock
4492 Posts
OK, Ver just posted finally, let's read | ||
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