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On May 18 2009 05:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:16 Caller wrote:
Seriously you guys, we have like
Ace/Mynock/Tricode vs. L/nemy
Malongo vs. LucasWoJ
what the hell is going on people, stop arguing and let's figure out what the hell we're going to do voting wise and after the election. Ad hominem can wait until later! I don't know man. It would be nice to hear from the future mayor Ver. But a lot of what to do after the election depends on who our pardoner is. What about the first lynch? I still think we should lynch an inactive. The only people who have been one hundred percent inactive, interestingly, are MrBabyHands and Camlito. Fusionsdf and Plexa and infinity21 come close. Other people have posted only a few 1-2 line posts, as Incognito pointed out a while ago.
From prior experience, both MBH and Camlito tend to post a day or so after the mayoral election, so we may want to let them live until then. I dunno what Plexa is doing, and infinity21 seems not to be paying much attn to the game -_-.
I still think that we'd be better off without a nemy mayor/pardoner...
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You find a way to convince them to pull votes off him call all the power to you, somehow i dont see it coming right away.
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i'll totally run for pardoner and do absolutely nothing
it's my pledge to the people to Liquida
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On May 18 2009 05:15 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 05:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:On May 18 2009 04:16 Caller wrote:
Seriously you guys, we have like
Ace/Mynock/Tricode vs. L/nemy
Malongo vs. LucasWoJ
what the hell is going on people, stop arguing and let's figure out what the hell we're going to do voting wise and after the election. Ad hominem can wait until later! I don't know man. It would be nice to hear from the future mayor Ver. But a lot of what to do after the election depends on who our pardoner is. What about the first lynch? I still think we should lynch an inactive. The only people who have been one hundred percent inactive, interestingly, are MrBabyHands and Camlito. Fusionsdf and Plexa and infinity21 come close. Other people have posted only a few 1-2 line posts, as Incognito pointed out a while ago. From prior experience, both MBH and Camlito tend to post a day or so after the mayoral election, so we may want to let them live until then. I dunno what Plexa is doing, and infinity21 seems not to be paying much attn to the game -_-. I still think that we'd be better off without a nemy mayor/pardoner...
I still think not posting at all is weird, no matter who you are. I mean maybe they all have a valid excuse, but we have no way of knowing that...
Nemy not being mayor/pardoner makes it a weird situation for the medics.. The fact that he has called out DT means that mafia will try to get him killed, either by convincing us to lynch him or by hitting at night, because a DT is dangerous. I mean i think everyone can understand the medic's gamble, protect Nemy and the mafia might just hit other people, or the opposite could occur. Etc. It also creates a dilemma for the mafia; who do they hit? Killing Nemy with the lynch avoids this, but we'd just be doing the mafia's work for them because they surely want him dead anyway...
ugh i need to pick a candidate x_x
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On May 18 2009 05:34 HeavOnEarth wrote:
i'll totally run for pardoner and do absolutely nothing
it's my pledge to the people to Liquida
So you would lose the function of meat shield then?
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Infundi, just go with ver hes a safe bet, and if we aren't careful he wont get in period.
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On May 18 2009 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Infundi, just go with ver hes a safe bet, and if we aren't careful he wont get in period.
Yeah i think I may do this. If my current vote count is correct it's Nemy 6 ::Ver 6 :: Mynock 4 :: Ace 4, for the leading candidates. Ver is probably in, but i can help keep him in the mayor spot. Convenient way to dodge the burden of choosing pardoner 
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On May 18 2009 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Infundi, just go with ver hes a safe bet, and if we aren't careful he wont get in period. Yeah i think I may do this. If my current vote count is correct it's Nemy 6 ::Ver 6 :: Mynock 4 :: Ace 4, for the leading candidates. Ver is probably in, but i can help keep him in the mayor spot. Convenient way to dodge the burden of choosing pardoner
Pretty much
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On May 18 2009 04:13 L wrote:Show nested quote +Obviously determining roles is the aim of the game - but we are still at Mayoral elections. None of us can determine anything right now. Oh shit how did you miss this? You even quoted it but read it wrong. You were talking about Pardoner intentions and usage, a topic which can be examined purely through the rules of the game. If you were referencing my suggestion that we need blues in office ver proved rather dramatically last game that you can sniff out blues very accurately on day 1.
Unfortunately that criteria isn't going to be useful in a game with this many qualified candidates. Like I stated before there are people playing that with or without a blue role they are going to be good in office. Even discussing blue roles right now is a sure fire way to have a problem, just look at nemy.
Show nested quote +2.) Worried about the election != worried about nemy. I'd love to be in, but hey if Mynock and Ver made it can't say I'd be sad. I'm not that worried about the election. But yea your right - I am worried about nemy which is exactly why I've been making my case against him. So you admit you are worried, which is a complete contradiction of your previous stance. I'm not contradicting myself. You are. Think about it.
I'm worried about one thing, not the other. They aren't equal. Sure they are closely tied together in this case but I'm not worried about me losing the election.
Show nested quote +3.) circular collusion? lol ok Don King. Ver has been pretty much silent, and only myself and Mynock have really supported each other. Stop trying to take wild guesses. Uh, you yourself have called the group 'the three musketeers' and Ver actually was posting for a bit while you were sleeping. Moreover, the vote record DOES NOT LIE. each of you voted for one other.
I'm telling you just because each of us voted for each other doesn't mean anything. Ok it may look suspicious, but personally speaking if I were Mafia I wouldn't take the chance of one of us getting into office.
1. No you aren't. 2. By your own admission we don't know that. Why do you assume people should assume you're innocent? If that's the case everyone should have just PMed you their roles at the start of the game and that would have been a good play. Frankly, for someone harping on nemy about poor play, you're doing a lot of it yourself.
How so? I've broken down numerous times why we don't need nemy in office, and I've run on an honest platform. I'm not doing anything disruptive unlike some people.
Show nested quote + How would you know the Mafia covet the Pardoner spot unless they themselves stated it? Okay, lets assume pardoner instantly wins the game. I think mafia would go for it. See what I did there? The rules of the game describe the advantages and pitfalls of certain actions. Do you think mafia would NOT want the pardoner spot? Do you think they'd want mayor more?
Mafia Pardoner is not that strong until the end of the game in one specific scenario. A Mafia Mayor is stronger because of the extra votes. Sure, I'm pretty confident that anyone that can think notices how BRUTAL a Pardoner can be at the right time but like I said we aren't even close to those waters. We can't even verify anyone so even trying it is just not going to work. Behavior analysis isn't always 100% correct and it's a gamble I'm not willing to take for Pardoner or Mayor.
It's an US statement because playing the game with Ver and Mynock so many times I KNOW none of us play the game like you. It's just that simple - nothing beyond that. Yet by your own admission you've stated that good players will not have a style. Ver's 'afk townie' method this game, for instance, is something he said he wouldn't be doing, and has only performed while previously mafia, yet you believe that you can call their style even if they're not the same allegiance as you?
Bad choice of words, and a telling one.
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Yea in a way. Of course Ver has been "afk" several times in other games (he takes forever to post seriously). Mynock, while he doesn't know my exact style (I don't have one I'm fluid) has a good idea of when I'm being honest about something. Many people have tried to analyze what I do and most have failed. It's different knowing someone's integrity and knowing their style. How is that a bad choice of words? ^_^
Read my fucking posts. Do you refuse to give the information? Y/N. As you put it. Go ahead champ. I wouldn't fucking TELL YOU what information I have if i'm trying to cross reference the information I've got with your statements to check for inconsistencies. I mean, you should know that, you aren't an idiot.
What information do you need? Cross reference away because there's nothing fishy about me.
(^_^)
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On May 18 2009 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Infundi, just go with ver hes a safe bet, and if we aren't careful he wont get in period. Yeah i think I may do this. If my current vote count is correct it's Nemy 6 ::Ver 6 :: Mynock 4 :: Ace 4, for the leading candidates. Ver is probably in, but i can help keep him in the mayor spot. Convenient way to dodge the burden of choosing pardoner
I'm telling you guys don't let nemy get in. We'll all regret it. He claims DT, doesn't provide the information he said he had and yet we would STILL let him in? Come on guys don't be like the town last game.
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If we were like the town from last game, we would have elected mynock and malongo by now and be 3 lynches into our own town and blaming you ace for the fuckups, I dont think we could ever repeat that horrible form of play
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On May 18 2009 05:50 Ace wrote:
How so? I've broken down numerous times why we don't need nemy in office, and I've run on an honest platform
From Pyrr's mafia thread... Ace comments on how to play mafia.
On May 16 2009 12:13 Ace wrote:
nah all you need to know how to do is lie ^_^
Anyways I'm heading out right now, before I go what information did you want from me Ace?
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where are the other private messages nemy?
And what does my post in Pyyr's thread have to do with this game? It's not even in the right context ^_^
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On May 18 2009 06:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
If we were like the town from last game, we would have elected mynock and malongo by now and be 3 lynches into our own town and blaming you ace for the fuckups, I dont think we could ever repeat that horrible form of play
Whats the problem with me in the office?
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Can I get all your pm's/chat logs as well?
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no, because unlike you I didn't say I had multiple messages from people asking about my role.
You got caught lying. And now you're trying to avoid the situation. All my lynching efforts are pointing squarely at you from now on.
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On top of that, has nemy even defended himself? lol. Flipping through the pages his own words that's all I have for now.
essentially summarize his weak defense of obviously this points to me being more the traitor or what not, but I'm not... that's all I have for now. on page 18.
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he seems to be pulling similar tactics to ace which is things like tl:dr
or telling people what he feels they have to know over what they should know. Pretty popular tactic used by better known players of the game. However his execution leaves alot to be desired
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On May 18 2009 06:29 Ace wrote:
no, because unlike you I didn't say I had multiple messages from people asking about my role.
You got caught lying. And now you're trying to avoid the situation. All my lynching efforts are pointing squarely at you from now on.
Wait... you didn't want to lynch me before this? jk I don't get why you want my PMs so bad seeing as how they are merely exchanges between Incog and myself on who we feel are mafia candidates... something I'd rather not detail to the public. Incog can verify this if he feels like it.
-As for the lying situation... yes I got caught lying. Last time I checked this game revolves a lot around deceit and dishonesty. It'll be interesting to read this game once it's over and see who was full of more shit: me? or you? (although we both know how that's going to turn out don't we?)
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