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![[image loading]](http://www.betterholdem.com/images/poker_game_dogs5.jpg) Big Slick pulls the Ace from underneath his sleeve: "I'M RUNNING FOR MAYOR, YEEEEHAAAA!" He does a little jig while firing a few rounds into the air. Why me? - Good Instincts/Impulses: I can read people well based on several variables. I'm constantly assessing situations. - Puppet Master - Instrumental Player: other players will vouch for me and with bodyguard aid it's already an uphill battle for the Mafia) - Good Intel/Informant (detectives will be able to verify this shortly) - Good Entertainer: I will make this fun. Why not? - Unofficially the last Veteran to signup. All it took was one PM. Go fish! - I never use one strategy; I'm difficult to read and I think outside of the box. Little aside: Everyone has a few tells, but I know how to keep people on their toes. However, I get right to the point. You won't have to read long posts from me. - Can I be trusted? The question is who can at this moment? I'll share what I have once I'm in office. It isn't much, but it will help people rest easy. - Normally I play on a need to know basis. In other words, I will only share info that is confirmed. The real reason you shouldn't vote for me is I won't be as active as I was in other games. Hey, I have kids to feed! I've already taken proper precautions though to avoid this. I gave my cellphone # to several players so they could keep me in the loop. | ||
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If you would do me a favor. Check either Caller, SoG or myself when you get the chance. For those who are good at interpretation, I'm sure you know where I'm going with this. | ||
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You and I both know there aren't any vote checks this game. I was being sly when I did my ballot. I don't believe in first day clue analysis. This is based on more than one variable. I will only explain my reasoning in full when I gain trust, so I'll make this brief: 1. Veteran players with good intel = big targets. Either establish a core, or find the Mob. I have reason to believe at least one of us is Mafia. 2. Red herrings aside, this is based on personal behaviour, posting habits and perhaps a little clue interpretation from more than one person. 3. I gave the DTs three big names to check. No need to waste rolechecks. Hence, cut down some variables. I'm not asking for them to check us all per say. However, if you guys wish to proceed with this we can do the following: Based on where you (the DT) show up on the signup list, check the player closest to you by rounding up, etc. It's just a suggestion, so take it with a grain of salt. Targeting inactivities isn't necessarily the best choice either, but yes they do ruin the game. I'm sure you guys could come up with more ideas/suggestions. | ||
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Now, let's wait and see how our DTs decide to act. * I'm not ready to get rid of BlindAlbino yet based on that info alone. I rather take out the Blastoise, SoG or our Paranoid Androide Lurker Caller. | ||
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That is the thing. We don't. We have 3 legimate choices. There's a reason why I put myself on the chopping block as well. I'll let our trustworthy DTs handle that. Targeting inactives is hit and miss. I think we're swinging for the fences with lynching BlindAlbino based on that intel alone. I rather Qatol either get rid of: SoG, Caller or me. | ||
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I'm a far cry from obvious. *** I wouldn't make it so blatant in my posts. Perhaps someone like Incognito or Ver can explain to you how I function. You can twist n' turn it anyway you want. I already gave a logical explanation as to why a DT might focus their attention on us. There is no need to dissect it. Take it for what it is. Either they get a red, green or blue. Based on what we have, if they wish to use a RC then do so. If they want to wait for the next set of clues, that's great too. I'm just providing a little direction to a) establish a core b) get rid of big name mafia players early. OR perhaps I'm protecting SoG, Caller and myself by putting our names out there. It would be a silly move on the mafia's part to take us out early based on my suspicions. There are many ways you can spin it. I have very good foresight and I can only see this benefiting the Town. Hm, I really wish I didn't signup so late so I could have a shot at Mayor. Too bad! Off the top of my head I can make five connections to each of us ( and no, it has nothing to do with my seige tank icon). That should do it for now. | ||
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Do you guys have any other suspicions other than BlindAlbino/inerptinerpt? | ||
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Mynock considering I never played with you. Arrogance is bliss. I have nothing to prove to anyone and I don't feel like posting every PM; action; and thought process I made on each decision. Everything I do is well mapped out in my head. With that said, I didn't randomly pick players to be checked. 1. There is a reason why I ran for Mayor. 2. There is a reason why I believe it is in the Town's best interest that I be checked sooner rather than later. ALL of this would be VOID if and ONLY if I'm the Godfather, which is fairly low. I am more than capable of organizing a core, but you guys have to do your part as well. | ||
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On April 24 2009 01:00 Mynock wrote: You Never played with me? I don't have the time to check up all the games we've played in, but it's a few (Mafia 2 comes to mind, where we had like exactly the same situation with you vs me, lol). Every Mafia game u behave pretty erratically and in a confusing fashion, and this time it's no different. Once again you missed it. lol It's okay man, I <3 you anyway. What I meant was you and I never worked together. We just have different approaches to things. There are some things I don't plan on changing soon, for example, telling you everything I know. Qatol PM me about assignments please. | ||
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You were hit last night. He could add this as well: you have lost 1 of your 2 lives. Either way, we need everyone to pickup their activity. We know April can be a busy time, but the least you can do is post to let us know you are alive. EDIT: Update! With that said, I think everyone can agree when I say we have 3 strong leads that many of us can agree on. Based on conversations with others and posts in this thread: - Versatile - Monoxide - JeeJee I would side with our Mayor on this one based on what he's heard. | ||
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From Night 1 we can be certain of the following: 1. There are two families. 2. There are 4-5 regular mafia per family. 3. There are two GFs. It all makes sense. Now we know why the CK role has been put in there. He doesn't have an easy job. Anyway, we can sit tight and pray the mafia hit one another. I still think we have more than enough to go on right now. Plus, we still have the Night 2 clues to go over. New clues will help; but, then again they'll be about different members of each family. -_- EDIT: Because I don't want to double post. Another thing to consider: we're probably dealing with 2 CKs here, so don't be fooled by locking up just one. Annnd, I'd like to direct your attention to a few posts by our beloved Pyr before shit hit the fan. Either way, as a DT he was far too active in the thread and that is why he most likely received his fate. It was luck more than anything else, or yes it is possible that he RCed a GF faking to be a DT and PMed him, but the chances of that happening are slim to none. With that said, here are few posts Pyr made that could have got him killed as well: On April 22 2009 12:37 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: On December 27 2008 17:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Nevake Amaterasu Firebat, Soil, sun tan oil, asian women, sponsors, umbrella ydg Camulus zealot, situational courage(bursts needed to move forward), word combinations, Y D G starts clazziquai Yu templar, #1 fan, terran, cult member, electronic music, acid jazz, house attackzerg Ba'al zerg, mutalisk, burgers, desserts, sandwiches, etc… RebirthofLegend Kali scv, rebirth, man to legend, d-war: rebirth of legend, dragons, monsters kuja900 Chronus lurker, starleagues, julyzerg, fighting, Ver Nirrti scv, no hate, obscurity, Napoleon Bonaparte, knowing of what to do Dinmsab Apophis asian, tributes, comander, empire, terran, vulture, hate, stork references DecafChicken Anupus coffee, poultry, subway, lemons, professional, wood, defiler, plague Capek Aries computers, foot stomp, professional but cockey, probe, robot, mechanical, intelligent Malongo Sokar dragoon, protoss fan, twin or reflection, foreign language Vigilantes Mynock Hathor asian, tech jamming, glasses From this it looks like he may look at unit icons. the other stuff mostly looks like name / profile he never actually made clues from the unit icons just listed them as ideas from what I gather. in any case from what I could tell in the last BC game many of the mafia didn't even know which mafia they were, despite codenames. So day 1's not going to help us much and I think clues once again will be a word or two and definitely could not be something like heavon on earth is suggesting where the shadows and the pouncing and the dying slowly all are attached to 3 Lions. Probably going to be like every mafia game where we accidentally hang mafia on clues meant for another mafia, and most of the progress will come from getting a safe spot for the DTs somehow. On April 23 2009 14:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: mk i've been talking clues and behavior with several of y'all and wanted to make sure this gets out to everyone so I'm copying a bunch of my thoughts from those discussions and putting it into this post. Adding a few things where applicable. Explaining why I said I wasn't going to post due to school and have been anyway: + Show Spoiler + Ugh I get obsessive about mafia games... so I've been trying to keep checking the forum to a reasonable level since I have so many term papers due in a couple weeks but so far I am failing miserably . I have terrible self control. Ocz3c clue/behavior analysis: + Show Spoiler + Ocz3c has "mystery box" in one of his quotes. A TV with a mysterious message on it could match this. Also, his name sounds like an incomprehensible block of text. His profile is in latin which could have been incomprehensible to BC (i remember last game a tattoo that couldn't be made out got some people to think it was korean or whatever in someone's profile). maybe he's abstaining because hes trying to be grassroots mafia candidate and he has to be the one mafia that doesnt vote for himself (because he cant)? I dunno. Is suspicious he didn't mention previous inactivity with an explanation. I kind of agree with his sentiment that there had been too much sole focus on the CK in the thread for a while just would seem so weird if ocz3c is the best candidate the mafia can muster given the high ratio of experienced players this time around. I know mafia has to have some big names this time so maybe they are just inactive so far and thus some mafia are getting antsy waiting. coolcrimefighter clue/behavior analysis: + Show Spoiler + coolcrimefighter could have something to do with Scaramanga warming himself up. (coolcrimefight has only his name to make clues from) coolcrimefighter looks like he's not going to be too helpful so probably not a huge loss unless he turns blue. Quickstriker behavior/clue analysis: + Show Spoiler + QuickStriker's outrage at being pointed out at kind of reminds me of pikachu last game for what its worth. I guess BC's death could have been a "quick strike" but meh. he could be a desperate blue and his comments seem consistent with what a noob innocent might say. I just read malongos post about quickstriker and he makes some good points i hadn't thought of yet, like about how he's not helping us at all. Of course, coolcrimefighter is not helping town at all either. Also, striker is a soccer position. That could be fodder for making clues, but I don't see anything to link to that. Guess there could be something about refusing to work as well. Maybe BC died slowly because the mafia decided to quit doing his job? The TV could have been said to have stopped working. Those are both weak as hell though so I am wasting effort even thinking these links perhaps. why more clue links = more suspicious, even early: + Show Spoiler + One thing I've realized after the last few games is that we often catch people based on the wrong clues. While clearly there is unlikely to be more than one small clue per day linking to a specific person (ie, that one post about how there are 3 seperate phrases linking to 3 lions in the day 1 post), the more plausible links from a suspect to the clue post the higher likelihood that one of them is correct. Last game BC (think it was him) came up with 3 great links to LeperKhan (getting knocked over easily, bullseye in his profile, think there was another one i forgot) but the intended clue was something we linked to someone else. Just something to keep in mind that coming up with a bunch of links for someone doesn't mean they are innocent because there couldn't be so many intended links. I think you should evaluate it taking into account both the quality and number of links (many shitty links is less than a few good links, but many good links is probably better than one great link because if a link is too great its probably too obvious to have been chosen by BC) Inertinept clue/behavior analysis: + Show Spoiler + the last game he played he gave up and admitted being mafia and whined. maybe he is also not putting much effort into this game and is voting for another mafia regardless of what it might cause and without even getting confirmation from / coordinating with ocz3c. That last sentence looks like it could be the truth if neither speak up to explain otherwise with something logical. One other idea, inertinept could be mafia and some mafia are just voting random people to try to spread out suspicion on to the hapless people they are voting for, so when the mafia get caught we go after innocents they alone voted for in an odd fashion. I don't think mafia is clever enough for that and I'm not sure that's even clever because we wouldn't make that mistake more than once. Ok, going to add some inertinept clue analysis here: I didn't find much. "with a gust of wind, perhaps" could be something stoking a fire but really doesn't fit the phrasing / layout of the fire section at all, imo. Can't think of anything about inert or inept to fit. Maybe the sound behind BC was wind? ehhh I don't really have anything good at all for a link to inertinept. Look for one word answers in what BC said. i.e. Night 1; nemY's death = burning sensation in his lungs = carbon monoxide = Monoxide. I call that the decaf effect. Then again, Monoxide could have killed Bockit. i.e. Night 1; Bockit's death = slammed his head into juke box = SC2 DT profile = Monoxide. -_- Note these are just a few examples. If you want more just ask. | ||
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Thanks! EDIT: Day 2 is almost at an end and so far Monoxide is leading the votes with something like 5-8. Camilto, Ace, Ver, BW, etc. where you guys at? Let's pick up the activity people. | ||
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Both families will be able to pick us apart at this rate. At least some people are showing their true colours and we'll be able to pin point which family each person works for. :p | ||
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On April 28 2009 04:37 Ace wrote: Tricode you can't be serious. Really JeeJee is right - just look at Qatols post. Look at how he became Mayor. Sure, no one with the exception of Caller and myself (har har) seemed to have run but look at how quickly Qatol got votes. In fact, Im sure some of those people that voted for him did it just because he was the first "candidate". Now he's trying to push for a double lynch WHEN WE DO NOT NEED ONE. We don't even have 1 sure fire suspect so a regular lynch will barely do - why double lynch? Lastly, he's trying to make himself look active by accusing people. It makes Qatol seem to be on one side of the "us vs them" paradigm - namely Townies vs Mafia. However people seem to forget that with Bockit dying on Night 1 it has revealed to us that it's more like "us vs them vs those other guys too". There is more than 1 mafia family, so even if JeeJee is guilty that doesn't mean Qatol isn't either. His interests are mafia motivated just as much as anyone he accuses or gets to flip red. I ran too late. The double lynch is based on posts and behavior more than anything else. Besides that, it looks like the game is on hold because TOO MANY PEOPLE ARE INACTIVE! | ||
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Would everyone stop calling Versatile Ver? Ver is Ver. Versatile got lynched for one reason alone. Pretending to be inactive and playing sloppy. We have more than enough to go on already and I'm livid people ousted her when we had more to go on with the other targets. I didn't expect her to get lynched. I assumed JeeJee would. I've been busy working. Anyway, I'd look the other way guys. | ||
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I'm pissed. I knew I would die tonight. BC gives us like 4 days before posting anything. It hasn't even been 24 hours later and he posts the Day 3 post. Well, that's all I can say for now. That's fucked up man. Really fucked up. You guys do the math. | ||
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Since Ace is talking. Yeah, I sort of knew Qatol was GF. This is why you vote for the fucking *cough* medic *cough* next time. I thought I made it abundantly clear, but I guess not. Don't bandwagon so early next time. Some of you really have a knack for voting reds into office. I'm glad they took me out early. I really didn't want to deal with all the drama. There's a reason why I stopped PMing Q and the others. | ||
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Way to give away some of the Reds, lol. My profile says it all; and, I haven't changed it for several months. Anyway, I try to keep my posts implicit and short. Two major mistakes: - Bandwagoning - PM Baiting I'll say this right now, I'm running for Mayor next game. Take your time to vote. Vote wisely. Who wants to hear my side of the story? Some reds were easy pickings this game and yet we still failed. Vivi came to me way too late; I already knew my fate. - I knew Qatol was mafia by the end of Day 1. I'll explain this later. - Ver MIA? Please, it's the oldest trick in the book. Besides, he's like a brother to me. It was too late to do anything about it because I usually always die by Day 3. Yes, I protected him unwilling on night one (truth be told, I was going to protect Mynock). It doesn't help when Qatol was the only one giving me info. This goes back to problem 1. - With that said, read between the lines! I gave you guys SOG on Day 1. Likewise, I gave our DTs a chance to make Caller and myself the core. I didn't lie when I pointed the Town to SOG, Caller and myself. I said only one of us is Mafia. As for the rest? Caller and I would make a strong core and we missed it. If the DTs did their checks we wouldn't have been in this mess and the medics would have known who to protect. There was no communication because Qatol disabled it. That's all I'm going to say right now. 3 easy Mafia and you guys only got one of them. lol EDIT: My MVP award goes to SOG. For being one of the most obvious mafia and no one doing anything about it. Qatol and Ver are a close second. | ||
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I'm not blaming anyone. You know the old saying, "Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer." I was trying to use Qatol for information. I knew the Town was fucked from Day 1. Hence, I didn't care if he knew my role. I was dead by Day 2 anyway unless the medics and DTs stepped forward (to me of course). DTs were pivotal to my plan at first, yes. I won't deny that. From the outside, it looks like I was asking you guys to take a leap of faith. Risky but rewarding nonetheless. I wanted a core of trust and SOG's logic had to be taken out of the picture. This goes back to L. Post game bragging? Plllease. Read over my posts again and tell me how I didn't have a good idea of what was up. Like I said before, no one trusted me from Day 1 for several reasons. One of them being I'm a dangerous player. Likewise, I tried to approach a few players, but considering my previous history, they decided to remain silent. Truth be told, I told Qatol I was planning on protecting Mynock instead of Ver (something I truly regret now because I would have been able to try and do something about it a lot sooner). Ver went from one extreme to another. He wasn't hard to miss. Anyway, I look forward to the next game. It would be nice to be red for once. As soon as I received his PMs. I knew I was dead. I was going to write him something along the lines of, "God damnit, you're fucking mafia," but I didn't have enough time. BC gave us no warning about the upcoming Day post, so bleh. Whatever! | ||
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Anyway, Mynock said it best: On May 10 2009 05:58 Mynock wrote: My key point here is: The Town and Mafia played by a different set of rules. And YOU knew it. This is undeniable. It was pretty obvious that they were working together based on the votes and kills (other than bockit, ahem). Either way the game is over. The rules should be known to everyone next time. Many Townies made key mistakes. The biggest one was the Qatol train, which to me was just baffling. Relax. We were screwed from the start. Chances of us unifying before the chaos that would ensue was slim to none. The DTs turned the other cheek when I voiced my ideas (hell, they had every right not to trust me) and we got fucked. Likewise, if everyone were to vote for me as Mayor next game we would probably find ourselves in the same predictament based on bandwagoning. Reds and blues alike made themselves huge targets this game, i.e. Pyr, SoG, Ver, etc. How some of this went unnoticed is beyond me. Now, keep in mind the amount of intellectual power we have on this website is unparallel and we collectively missed the mark. | ||
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our Town was too stupid to boot. Not like I played any better because I didn't. Did I protect anyone? No. Did I attempt to find more people to rally around me? No. No time to. Two reasons for that a) work; family = inactivity b) didn't see a post from BC announcing a Day shift Either way, it's hard to act upon information you just got. I only had a few hours when Vivi approached me. Q gave me a good list to protect from the outset. Let's look at this game from another perspective shall we? Ace, Cam, Mynock or myself in office. The game could have ended the other way. Perhaps the mafia would then cry wolf. | ||
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On May 10 2009 07:32 Caller wrote: How about this for a new game idea: There are 50 townies and 10 mafia. KP of Mafia is 1 per person. The catch is, each mafia member is by themselves in the beginning. Storyline: A group of mafia sleeper agents woke to see their Godfather being executed publicly in the street. Unfortunately, they do not know who the others are. Mafia: Two powers: 1) May investigate one person and find their role (millers included) 2) May kill one person (including other mafia members) that night. This does two things: A) it gives mafia pause from simply just 1a2a3aing their way through the active players. This also prevents mafia from simply just hiding and staying inactive, as they need to meet up with the other mafia. Obviously, once mafia gets organized, they will have massive hit potential. But this is counteracted by the fact that they aren't organized to begin with-thus, there is a chance that mafia may hit their own. Thus, they may choose to instead investigate people and find that person's role. This also counteracts DT roleclaim confirmations and Vigilante claims. However, there will still be Millers in the game. Thus, a group of organizing mafia may inadvertently invite a miller into their group. Add the fact that Millers now can be any town, blue OR green (the miller "red" appears over blue/green, but town is unaware of it) and mafia must now be more careful. Interesting idea. This would get rid of the bandwagon to a certain extent. I still think the game would be far too chaotic. Probably best to make it 55-60 Townies, but then again we're still having problems with activity. | ||
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