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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
1. Really confuse us by hitting townies and mafia so it will be hard to know who they are. 2. Join mafia and just kill people and team with them (could do this by telling mafia or not telling mafia) 3. Join us and well help (though should be security obviously, or else mafia kills the person. To add they might just not tell anyone who they are to keep themselves safe, thus they could accidentally be killed by mafia or townie lynching). So any thought out plan for this type of person? I think the others running for mayor should consider this factor as well. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
If this person wants to be on our side, it could hurt us, adding if we also lynch wrong too. So it could be a double edge sword at that point. So best bet is, get the contractor to join townies and make sure the contractor is in contact with townies and not mafia. There is another option we could do with the contractor, but either case we shouldn't just forget about this person. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 22 2009 14:22 Tricode wrote: Qatol, what do you plan to do about this contractor? You talked about the other special roles, but this role was neglected in your speech while running for mayor. This person can really screw with both sides, join us, or be our enemy. Pending who has this role they can, 1. Really confuse us by hitting townies and mafia so it will be hard to know who they are. 2. Join mafia and just kill people and team with them (could do this by telling mafia or not telling mafia) 3. Join us and well help (though should be security obviously, or else mafia kills the person. To add they might just not tell anyone who they are to keep themselves safe, thus they could accidentally be killed by mafia or townie lynching). So any thought out plan for this type of person? I think the others running for mayor should consider this factor as well. Tricode, Honestly, I don't see much we CAN do with the contract killer. 1. This doesn't actually matter. We don't know what the KP is anyways. He might get in the way of clue analysis, but we can't do a thing about it. 2. We can't help this either. If he finds the mafia and decides to help him, we can't stop him. He basically becomes an extra mafia that might help us in the future. We treat him as a suspect. He gives clues, so accuse him. 3. He would have to contact someone trusted. Nice boon for us, but also this cannot be controlled. Basically, we have to treat him as a mafia unless he proves willing to be otherwise. As for how to get him to join us, he has to approach one of us. The only way we can do anything else is get a lucky rolecheck. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
The real answer is that they just can't use their power without making a contract. Yes they can be a chaotic liability. We can't do anything about that. I realize that I'm being pretty harsh towards the CK. I just don't see any way to ensure he won't go crazy on the town. If he wants to help the town, he needs to find a DT/medic or someone with a good enough position (no lynch guarantee) to give him a contract. Approaching a towny early helps him however. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:09 Ace wrote: I'm a green townie, so the CK can approach me ^_^ Greens are actually very bad for the CK to approach. All they have to offer is their role. The CK MUST approach someone with something to offer | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:01 Qatol wrote: In rereading (and observing the no edit rule) I have noticed that I have misread your #1 The real answer is that they just can't use their power without making a contract. Yes they can be a chaotic liability. We can't do anything about that. I realize that I'm being pretty harsh towards the CK. I just don't see any way to ensure he won't go crazy on the town. If he wants to help the town, he needs to find a DT/medic or someone with a good enough position (no lynch guarantee) to give him a contract. Approaching a towny early helps him however. I was thinking some where in the lines as what you said about the contractor, but I wasn't sure if you had an idea or plan to kinda make the contractor want to favor us or find a way to have the contractor join us so they feel safe. Edit: Thank you though for showing your thoughts about that for me. | ||
semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
Question to the Game Moderator: What is the Contract Killer's win condition? I have an exam tomorrow, so I need to be studying for that at the moment. But tomorrow at work I should be able to sneak on for a bit. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
United States6700 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:10 Qatol wrote: Greens are actually very bad for the CK to approach. All they have to offer is their role. The CK MUST approach someone with something to offer I'm offering my influence, something that goes well beyond the bounds of the game. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:20 semioldguy wrote: In looking through the roles I don't see a listed win condition for the contract killer (win condition should be obvious for mafia or town: eliminate the other one). So I have a question that might help us figure out what to do about the contract killer... Question to the Game Moderator: What is the Contract Killer's win condition? I have an exam tomorrow, so I need to be studying for that at the moment. But tomorrow at work I should be able to sneak on for a bit. That is the question isn't it, but one that can't be answered for you ;p | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
If we are offering all these options and advice about the role and it turns out that he determines that he would be better off not siding with us, that would suck. I have some ideas about how to get the Contract Killer on the town's side, but I don't want to post them if his win condition doesn't go along with that because then I'd basically be telling him what not to do. Can we not talk about what we want to do with the Contract Killer, but instead what the Contract Killer would want to do with us and if it fits his victory condition? He isn't necessarily playing for the town to win, he is playing for himself to win. So let's make sure we can put those both on the same path before speculating about what to do about the Contract Killer role. Does this make sense? | ||
LTT
Shakuras1095 Posts
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:10 Qatol wrote: Greens are actually very bad for the CK to approach. All they have to offer is their role. The CK MUST approach someone with something to offer I think we are missunderstanding the role. Once the contractor contacts mafia theres no way back for him, since mafia can hit him anytime after that. On the other side contractor can work a few rounds for the town then change to mafia side. Thats why its extremely important that we take him early as a mafia member, if he wants to join the town on his own will he has to accept that this can only be done through a single townie. And maybe BC can clear this but single townies have the voting power so if the contractor contacts me or ace or whoever roleclaimes townie the exchange can be the vote, maybe its not a big gain for the killer early but this can give him the chance to join the town. | ||
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semioldguy
United States7488 Posts
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:32 semioldguy wrote: I don't think anyone should be suggesting what to do with the Contract Killer or what that role's best courses of action could be until we can determine whether or not that the Contract Killer siding with the town is his role's best bet in riding to his own victory. If we are offering all these options and advice about the role and it turns out that he determines that he would be better off not siding with us, that would suck. I have some ideas about how to get the Contract Killer on the town's side, but I don't want to post them if his win condition doesn't go along with that because then I'd basically be telling him what not to do. Can we not talk about what we want to do with the Contract Killer, but instead what the Contract Killer would want to do with us and if it fits his victory condition? He isn't necessarily playing for the town to win, he is playing for himself to win. So let's make sure we can put those both on the same path before speculating about what to do about the Contract Killer role. Does this make sense? I think sog has the right idea here. We can't really know what to offer the killer without him telling us what he wants. If he can offer us something, we can make a deal. Either way, he has to approach one of us before anything can be done. We can probably be flexible since anything he has to give us (either kills or rolecheck info) is useful. | ||
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Tricode
United States538 Posts
I just thought of something. Contract killer (if working for mafia) can choose to investigate someone and constantly keep trying to find blues for the mafia. (I am not sure how easy this will be though) It might be important to make sure mafia doesn't get this power. Remember Contract killer doesn't have to kill, they can investigate. So we need to make a proper incentive to keep this contract killer on the townie side. | ||
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Malongo
Chile3472 Posts
On April 22 2009 15:43 Tricode wrote: Well first thing is reaching Contract killer. Second thing i guess would be guaranteeing him medic protection for a good amount of time right? I just thought of something. Contract killer (if working for mafia) can choose to investigate someone and constantly keep trying to find blues for the mafia. (I am not sure how easy this will be though) It might be important to make sure mafia doesn't get this power. Remember Contract killer doesn't have to kill, they can investigate. So we need to make a proper incentive to keep this contract killer on the townie side. The problem again is that we cant trade blues info. Think that the contract killer is imba in terms that he can join town and change side when he wants after that, but he cant leave mafia if he starts working for them. | ||
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