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JeeJee
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Canada5652 Posts
May 08 2009 02:19 GMT
#1301
those are some awesome pix chuiu
(\o/)  If you want it, you find a way. Otherwise you find excuses. No exceptions.
 /_\   aka Shinbi (requesting a name change since 27/05/09 ☺)
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
May 08 2009 02:24 GMT
#1302
On May 08 2009 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
also in terms of a next game

We dont have a host to my knowledge so that poses a problem.

I can help or whatever... I don't have to do weird video clues and everyone knows I'm active lol


I honestly prefer playing over hosting, so its more one of those things, I would prefer to not host the next one lol

I could probably handle the main host I don't think I would use a design this complicated though.
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 08 2009 02:26 GMT
#1303
On May 08 2009 11:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
also in terms of a next game

We dont have a host to my knowledge so that poses a problem.

I can help or whatever... I don't have to do weird video clues and everyone knows I'm active lol


I honestly prefer playing over hosting, so its more one of those things, I would prefer to not host the next one lol

I could probably handle the main host I don't think I would use a design this complicated though.



this design was just chuius last game slightly modified.

His design was built by like 10 of us?
ver,
myself
qatol
showtime
incog
ltt
chuiu
ace and caller i think?

and one or two others as well

overall the work is mainly in role pming, building clues and writing the posts. Then knowing your own rules well enough to answer questions or enforce them
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 08 2009 02:27 GMT
#1304
hah, gg! sucks dying early before i even get a chance to make my mark

only mafia member that really surprised me was 0cz3c. well played man.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
May 08 2009 02:32 GMT
#1305
BC I would say this game was heavily modified. Putting in a second mafia team and the CK's changed things drastically.
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Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-08 02:34:27
May 08 2009 02:33 GMT
#1306
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.

I'm also active/free enough to host a game. After my last AP which is on Tuesday that is.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 08 2009 02:33 GMT
#1307
they were minor modifications which had a huge change on the game. Not heavy mods.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
May 08 2009 02:34 GMT
#1308
On May 08 2009 11:32 Chuiu wrote:
BC I would say this game was heavily modified. Putting in a second mafia team and the CK's changed things drastically.

Yeah I'm gonna have to second this. CK's with two different goals. 2 mafias that didnt know each other and then did and I still don't know if they were competing or not, I guess they weren't?
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 08 2009 02:34 GMT
#1309
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 08 2009 02:35 GMT
#1310
ALSO

For future games


CAN PEOPLE PLEASE NOT ROLECLAIM RETARDEDLY EARLY it ruins the way the game should be played.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:37 GMT
#1311
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 08 2009 02:40 GMT
#1312
They had roleclaimed fully to eachother right after bockits death.

HAD at that point i said, sorry you have to kill eachother. We would have two dead mafia families and a town winning who deff did not earn it.

the biggest issue in this game was mainly inactivity and people auto claiming to friends. This leads to huge issues as a host balance wise :p.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:41 GMT
#1313
On May 08 2009 11:40 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
They had roleclaimed fully to eachother right after bockits death.

HAD at that point i said, sorry you have to kill eachother. We would have two dead mafia families and a town winning who deff did not earn it.

the biggest issue in this game was mainly inactivity and people auto claiming to friends. This leads to huge issues as a host balance wise :p.


Then at least tell people the rule change? Maybe?
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
May 08 2009 02:42 GMT
#1314
I'll admit, I was the one that sent in the kills for our mafia the last night. And it was so very very tempting to put something like Ver, LTT, and LucasWoJ down. Or, straight up go Chuiu, Chuiu, Chuiu, and see if BC modified the write up for him at all. Would have been great if the post was a giant gang bang- esque kill, but without all the literal rape.
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Infundibulum
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States2552 Posts
May 08 2009 02:44 GMT
#1315
On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.


I think it's kind of like the prisoner's dilemma.

If Mafia A and B both know that only 1 family can win, an additional goal is finding the list of the other family (doesn't seem to be too hard). So A and B know each other's members, what do they do?

Say A chooses to snipe off B. This ensures that A will be the winning mafia team, but it also increases chance of victory for the town and provides clues. Thus this move is extremely risky early on and probably ensures town victory, barring the added variable of the CK. However, as the game progresses, one could expect that such an "all kill" is more likely.

In this situation, B has 2 options: die, or also snipe off A in a mirror betrayal. The latter is the lose-lose situation. The former is also not as desirable as mutual cooperation.

if both A and B choose to cooperate, this significantly increases the chance of a mafia family winning rather than the town. In the short term, this strategy is probably optimal: an uneasy truce. If the mafia knows that they can do this and the game will just end once town dies (see: this game) there's little reason for them to play differently, other than just for lols and for bragging rights.

I think this makes sense.
LoL NA: MothLite == Steam: p0nd
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
May 08 2009 02:44 GMT
#1316
On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.


Absolutely. I've already brought up this argument on page 51
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=91680&currentpage=51

I've also discussed this topic on MSN with BC.

Bottom line, Mafia parties can work together, but not win together.
Who the hell would join a FFA Starcraft match, when you know you opponents would just gang up on you then ally end?
靈魂交響曲
Incognito
Profile Joined November 2008
United States2071 Posts
May 08 2009 02:45 GMT
#1317
Yes. The only way you could change this is...

I'm not telling
The bureaucracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy
BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
May 08 2009 02:46 GMT
#1318
it happens all the time. My issue in this case was never (hey im in contact do we have to kill eachother) it was so the other side is x, x, x, x and x do we have to kill eachother. I recieved that from both sides
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
May 08 2009 02:48 GMT
#1319
On May 08 2009 11:24 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:13 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:07 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
also in terms of a next game

We dont have a host to my knowledge so that poses a problem.

I can help or whatever... I don't have to do weird video clues and everyone knows I'm active lol


I honestly prefer playing over hosting, so its more one of those things, I would prefer to not host the next one lol

I could probably handle the main host I don't think I would use a design this complicated though.

PM me if you want to set this up. I can definitely handle rules, but I'm unsure about my clues abilities. (This game kinda burned me out so I will likely sit out the next game anyways. People will hopefully understand when they see my writeup which is already 2 pages long and night 2 isn't even done yet.)
Uff Da
LTT
Profile Blog Joined March 2003
Shakuras1095 Posts
May 08 2009 02:48 GMT
#1320
On May 08 2009 11:44 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 08 2009 11:37 Incognito wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:34 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On May 08 2009 11:33 Incognito wrote:
If there are dual mafias they have to kill each other to win please. Otherwise town = confused + screwed.



I would have forced them to in the end, but as stated many times earlier by mafia members. Its in their best interest to rape the town first then eachother. They happened to trust eachother fully soon as they found eachother which in this game would have led to a double ko of the mafia.


Um sure but the point is that if they don't know they have to kill each other till the end then they won't. Until you tell them. Telling them makes them nervous and makes them want to kill each other. Unless they want to be screwed/killed off first.


I think it's kind of like the prisoner's dilemma.

If Mafia A and B both know that only 1 family can win, an additional goal is finding the list of the other family (doesn't seem to be too hard). So A and B know each other's members, what do they do?

Say A chooses to snipe off B. This ensures that A will be the winning mafia team, but it also increases chance of victory for the town and provides clues. Thus this move is extremely risky early on and probably ensures town victory, barring the added variable of the CK. However, as the game progresses, one could expect that such an "all kill" is more likely.

In this situation, B has 2 options: die, or also snipe off A in a mirror betrayal. The latter is the lose-lose situation. The former is also not as desirable as mutual cooperation.

if both A and B choose to cooperate, this significantly increases the chance of a mafia family winning rather than the town. In the short term, this strategy is probably optimal: an uneasy truce. If the mafia knows that they can do this and the game will just end once town dies (see: this game) there's little reason for them to play differently, other than just for lols and for bragging rights.

I think this makes sense.


Not quite. The way that the members and killpower was set up, it was nearly impossible for one side to take the other out in a single night. This meant leaving survivors who could then just out the entire other mafia team. Mafia fighting each other was more mutually assured destruction than the prisoner's dilemma.
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