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inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
Why was I chosen? | ||
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Chuiu
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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Incognito
United States2071 Posts
On May 08 2009 12:44 Qatol wrote: OK I think I'm mostly done with my writeup of this game from my perspective. http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=92894 Nice. But on I actually went to Ver accusing Mynock because I thought they were both mafia on opposite sides and I could possibly get one of you to freak out and kill everyone on my list (which I was going to add names to). Unfortunately the rules and the fact that you were already coordinated made my plan useless. That and the fact that Mynock wasn't mafia  | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
everyone was screaming that as the only clue towards qatol so I just went with my instinct and trusted he wasn't I think I played the last game alot better than this one. Actually, it'd be pretty hard to play it worse. | ||
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JeeJee
Canada5652 Posts
On May 08 2009 13:16 Vivi57 wrote: meh, I put way too much emphasis on the uff da clue not being towards qatol everyone was screaming that as the only clue towards qatol so I just went with my instinct and trusted he wasn't I think I played the last game alot better than this one. Actually, it'd be pretty hard to play it worse. i managed to do worse ^_^ in my defense, eventually i was just doing stuff for the lulz though, this town was too good <3 | ||
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Vivi57
United States6599 Posts
I defended you and disregarded the bockit pms then i pmed qatol and it all fell apart | ||
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dreamflower
United States312 Posts
Good game, all the same. The Mafia deserved this win. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 08 2009 13:09 Incognito wrote: Nice. But on I actually went to Ver accusing Mynock because I thought they were both mafia on opposite sides and I could possibly get one of you to freak out and kill everyone on my list (which I was going to add names to). Unfortunately the rules and the fact that you were already coordinated made my plan useless. That and the fact that Mynock wasn't mafia Corrected | ||
Bockit
Sydney2287 Posts
On May 08 2009 13:01 fusionsdf wrote: pretty disappointed I was hit first night. Why was I chosen? Right before Ver went MIA, he gave us a list of potential blues, (Based off his model of how each person behave in mafia games) . You were on that list (I think it was about 5 people he was almost 100% on), and we all agreed you were a good hit. The reason we double hit pyrr at the same time was cos of a few mistakes we made, he had a good chance of working out 2 of us thanks to some pm's he'd exchanged with 3clipse and lucaswoj so they wanted a double hit to ensure he died. That hit was purely lucky that he was a dt. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
First of all let me address my play style - I don't have one. Purposely I do things differently every game. This is why when Versatile tried to say she knows how I play I laughed. She doesn't, because if she did she'd know I was innocent. This incident also cemented Qatol's guilt but more on that in a bit. When the game first started I just wanted to be quiet. I honestly felt I could just sit back, read some posts and chill out till Day 2 or 3 and bust out with some post about who fucked up. Qatol runs for mayor and racks up votes very fast. Unfortunately the town is incredibly stupid and doesn't question this. Whether Qatol is mafia or not the fact that a large group of people vote for him even before enough people step up, no matter how comical they are should raise suspicion. It doesn't outright tell us that Qatol is mafia but it does tell us that a group of people have an interest in him. I realize at this moment after raising this point no one is paying attention and conclude the town is full of asshats. Might as well lay low for real now and not do too much. WHOOPS I get hit Night 1. Luckily ILoveKTF protected me. Then we see the Bockit PM. This was the biggest turning point of the game. After the deaths on Night 1 we realize there are 2 mafia families (people like RoL still can't figure this out) and some townies are talking too much. This is further cemented by the discussion we have. Quickstriker and JeeJee are on trial with Qatol leading the pack. I read some posts and the case for JeeJee is so simple I can't believe people are falling for it: Qatol has this PM from Bockit (dead mafia) which mentions JeeJee, so JeeJee must be mafia too... Are you people fucking stupid? Qatol isn't a confirmed innocent and Bockit was a definite mafia. Even ignoring Qatol, you know Bockit isn't stupid so it's very well possible he could be setting JeeJee up. Duh. Of course people are stupid so this simple notion doesn't occur to them. Now lets get to the Versatile scenario and how this led me to both Qatol and L being mafia. I was sure on Qatol after JeeJee, but Versatile's bad play did it (ironic isn't it). When the town tried to blame me for Versatile's death Qatol said since she knows my playstyle and she died as an innocent, then I must be fishy. It's a deceptive idea, but not tricky to people that know how to read. Versatile = Innocent Versatile died, so therefore whatever she says must be true. This is a false way of thinking. Versatile had no idea of knowing my role. She was just guessing and playing badly. So whether she's innocent or not she can't know anything about me. Simple, but some townies were such saps they couldn't follow this logic. By now, Qatol was so easily caught guilty it was or at least should have been a matter of time before his lynch. As for L I caught on to him when he was arguing with Versatile. He was right - she played like shit. He was also right that the way she played was so mafia like (the excuses) that any sane townie (the smart ones) would have realized she was just bad for the game. However one thing L didn't do - he never addressed Qatol. This was a big tipoff for me. If L, who was arguing with Versatile is reading the thread how could he not catch on to Qatol's bs and call him out? I already had my case against Qatol but I didn't have enough to convince anyone L was mafia. Now right before I died something tricky happened. I had a PM from Qatol claiming the medic list was fake, Qatol is mafia and a whole bunch of stuff I don't even remember. I sent the PMs to semioldguy thinking that if he is mafia that wouldn't matter because they would already know it anyway and can't kill t_co for fear this PM spread to more than just me. Then it hit me: I forgot there were 2 mafia families for a second. This is bad - I want the town to win. If I give any of the mafia families too much info, they could have power over the other family therefore dictating the game. I'd rather both of them be afraid and try to backstab the other with the town being the eventual winner. Of course this would only work if Qatol and SoG are not in the same family. After I send the PM out and reload the forum I see BCs post a minute before I sent it: fuck. Now I can't even get a response from SoG so I have no clue about how he'd react and the info is out there. I don't know why I wasn't protected on this night but that's that. By this time I realized the 2 families can't even do too much harm to each other because neither side truly knows how many medics/Cks/vigis and other townies the other has under the influence. The only other mafia I would have known from my short time playing was LucasWoj. He always questions anything I say no matter how wrong his questions are. So I didn't even know he was playing the game because I didn't look at the player list. If I did I probably would have caught on to him for being quiet for so long. Either way the town played like shit, Tricode,Vivi, everyone that voted for JeeJee to die =Town LVPs. As for my tips for playing here they are straight from PM land and some others: 1.)Keep your story simple Anytime some guy PMs me with a long post about a lot of things I'm usually very wary. If he'd truly want something it would probably be a really short message unless we've been talking for a while. 2.) You don't have to tell people your role I pretty much do this every game. The only time in any mafia game anybody knew my role without me telling them was when MBH was a DT. You can be very effective without someone knowing your role. The less they ask the more trustworthy they are to a certain extent. It's also why I usually never ask people their role. 3.) Anytime somebody has an excuse as to why they couldn't post (like exams) write it down. Lo and behold in a few hours at least 10 more people will say they'll be inactive because of exams also. Always one of these guys is gonna be mafia. Always because if they wanted to start going after inactives 1 mafia hiding amongst a bunch of these guys means lots of innocent death without strong analysis. 4.) Make sure everyone talks. Quiet people are the first to get lynched. This makes sure that from the get go Mafia have to be involved in the town. Likewise from the Mafia point of view this works very well - if you are active early when you start giving out the bullshit pies only the smart people will pick up on it. 5.) Probably the most important rule of Mafia that most people just don't understand: It's not what you know, it's what you can convince people to believe. This is really where the Mafia game is won and lost and people just don't get it. In this game you are a mafia mayor and I know this because I read it correctly. Does it matter? Not really, because now I have to convince the town that you truly are. Likewise we all know quickstriker and JeeJee are innocent but in the grand scheme of things it means shit - people believe they are guilty. Once you get people to believe certain things about other players you can start either dividing the town and standing back silently watching them devour each other as mafia, or as a townie bring them all to focus on a few people. The idea is all the same - persuasion is much more powerful than outright facts. If you can lie skillfully or find a crucial mistake to exploit while keeping a straight story people will often trust you easily unless they are smart enough to be objective (coming next). 6.) Reading objectively. This really means learning how to ignore the emotions and fluff in a post and picking out the key information and coming to a conclusion. Doing this you would start to ask yourself some basic questions and realize that a lot of the posts you see can be easily broken down to find major holes. Qatols posts were good - they were good enough to paint him as supportive to the town's plight. Of course I read them objectively and realized that they weren't. He didn't have anything on QS and JeeJee except misguided townies. 7.) Don't revenge accuse. If someone calls you mafia, don't turn around and claim they are mafia unless you are sure. Revenge accusing is just bad as now the town can't see the facts of an argument and it's just some guy mad/paranoid he's painted red. It's also bad because if they are both innocent the Mafia can keep the town focused on these 2 players all the time. 8.) Read posts from the past. Anytime someone dies, you should go back and skim all their posts. If the town is doing bad instead of skimming you should scrutinize them feverishly. 9.) when sharing information everyone doesn't need to know everything. If you're talking with someone privately keep them on a need to know basis. Same goes with the town. A bunch of clueless people are much more dangerous than 1 sane individual. If you tell them too much or too critical info it WILL be misused. Slowly give people more information based on their reactions to past info. 10.) Change your playstyle or at least keep it ambiguous but not threatening. This is obvious. 11.) Not a tip, but partial discussion of what happened this game with so many townies: Mafia talks to someone through PMs thats innocent (Player X) Player X starts posting mafia influenced information to the town actively. People question his stupidity. Problem is he's so active you can't really do much without wanting to lynch him as a town for fear of his stupidity spreading to other players (who probably got Mafia poisoned mouths too, ugh). Player X is also adamant because not only does he take offense to being called wrong, but the Mafia probably made him feel that those ideas weren't theirs but "his own". So he argues even though he is wrong but doesn't know it. Player X gets lynched, flips innocent, town has lots of new innocent suspects and no one knows the mafia fucked Player X because Player X was too proud to admit he got his "ideas" from Mafia. The Mafia just stay quiet and watch the new circus. There are more little things I usually do during a game that Im sure I forgot. But those first 10 are usually good enough to get you through a game. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
THIS TOWN SUCKS, LISTEN TO MALONGO MORE. j/k malongo, you tried  ./end Bragging rant well played mafia... actually nah you didn't even do anything special. | ||
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Mandalor
Germany2362 Posts
Once again, sorry. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 08 2009 16:12 Camlito wrote: LOL WTF I WAS FULLY RIGHT ON MY CLUES THIS TOWN SUCKS, LISTEN TO MALONGO MORE. /end Bragging rant well played mafia... actually nah you didn't even do anything special. Thanks a lot! Nice to hear all the hours I spent coordinating things were put to good use! | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
Trust me, you coulda helped the town with those hours and we would have lost still lol. I admire your work though, and that was just a subtle anger post. Don't mind me when i do that. Well played, seriously. | ||
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Qatol
United States3165 Posts
On May 08 2009 16:39 Camlito wrote: <3 you Qatol. Trust me, you coulda helped the town with those hours and we would have lost still lol. I admire your work though, and that was just a subtle anger post. Don't mind me when i do that. Well played, seriously. <3 Yeah I know. I got called out for a few things I would have done as town haha. I DID think it was kinda a tragedy that your work was ignored. I was just hoping it was a testament to my trolling skills. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Vivi57
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