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On March 16 2009 23:33 chaoser wrote: starting tonight? supposedly | ||
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On March 17 2009 12:21 Chuiu wrote: He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave. Shock Wave is a move that Pikachu can learn and there is a player named Pika Chu. I give this a 1% probability of being a real clue. | ||
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On March 17 2009 13:18 fusionsdf wrote: there is a neat thing going on here early votes are much more important than late votes. Three or four early votes for BC have the potential to sway far more people than if they occurred later....not making an accusation, but if mafia wanted to sway the voting, this is where they would do it. Yeah there are a lot of votes for him already; I know that starting early was how we got our godfather elected in Ace's Mafia World. I'm going to wait till tomorrow to pick someone. | ||
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On March 17 2009 13:59 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: On March 17 2009 14:01 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: Any mod / someone who saw that want to tell us what that was? EDIT: nevermind more_minerals isn't in this game lol | ||
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On March 17 2009 12:21 Chuiu wrote: "He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave." Shock Wave is a move that Pikachu can learn and there is a player named Pika Chu. I gave this a 1% probability of being a real clue. But now after a few thoughts I had in the shower I am much more suspicious... "One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side. He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it." One of the mafia is standing up straight at rest, but then lowers himself to the ground while sprinting... just like Pikachu! This Mafia grabs the gun even though his hands are behind his back... this wouldn't be a problem for Pikachu, who carries the ray gun from Super Smash Bros. in his mouth while running around. Furthermore, Pikachu holds the gun from SSB behind in his hands behind his head while leaned over when he fires it... Then this mafia tackles Chuiu. Well Pikachu can't learn tackle in the Game Boy game, but I'm pretty sure he uses it in the TV show, and I know he can use it in the card game: ![[image loading]](http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/expedition/124-pikachu.jpg) Finally, chuiu has posted in this Smash Bros thread so I assume he'd be at least somewhat familiar with this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42012¤tpage=2 EDIT with addition: "They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car." The mention of slightly lowering the gun indicates to me that Chuiu is still aiming the gun at these mafia but that one or both of them is short; if Chuiu wanted to say he was completely lowering the gun he wouldn't have used that modifier. | ||
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On March 17 2009 15:21 nemY wrote: To respond to your post, I would like to point out that I think a plan has already been established via the previous games strategies. Obviously the additions of Godfather and Miller, plus a slight reduction in the powers of the DT could throw a wrench in our plans, but regardless it is still a solid plan and one that I would be sticking by if elected mayor. Well what is the plan? Remember this time around the mayor and sheriff have no idea who the bodyguards are and they don't know each other. | ||
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On March 17 2009 17:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I began running on page 2 so no, not rare I didn't really notice you beginning to run on page 2 and it still seems weird some people voted for you without saying why and some people said it was based on some pms and irc when pressed and it even looks like some less than super active people noticed you were running immediately and voted without waiting for other candidates to say anything... everything might check out and im not really suspicious of you but i feel safer voting for caller or nemy at this point... of course last time (in aces mafia world) we criticized someone for bandwagoning I think they turned out ok and we ended up electing the godfather... | ||
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On March 18 2009 01:27 nemY wrote: I don't really buy the shockwave = Pika Chu clue. It seems far too easy to pick up on. I think if anything this is a better clue to analyze/figure out. Think about it... something ran over and forcefully disarmed Chuiu all while looking like this the entire time: ![[image loading]](http://www.archives.gov/research/ww2/photos/images/ww2-112.jpg) Well, my further analysis on page 9 addresses that issue. Or did that picture come from a profile or something? It seems likely to me that this mafia has more than 2 arms or used his mouth or something other than hands to disarm Chuiu. | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/36781.jpg) Alright, I will run for office as well. If elected, I will do my best to follow the will of the town and follow any plans they have. I don't think organization should flow through the mayor / sheriff this game because of how hard verification would be so I'll do my best to earn your trust while organization can hopefully happen through the medic / veteran plan (so I'm not going to be demanding your roles or anything). The town will have to do most of its heavy lifting through clue analysis this time, which I am looking forward to helping with. This is my third mafia game so I don't have as much experience as some of the other candidates but I will certainly be hovering over this thread obsessively like I have for the previous to games, to the detriment of my GPA. If elected Sheriff I plan on locking up suspected mafia if we have more obvious suspects than we can lynch (and we can see if KP falls as well). Protecting a blue whose cover is blown doesn't seem too strategic because they won't be able to use their power in jail but maybe it can be used if medics/bgs get low in end game. But, I certainly won't go rogue and ignore y'all if a majority of you demand I do otherwise. If Mayor, I'm leaning towards Pika Chu at this point for the previously stated reasons and will stick to that barring new revelations. I don't think I can vote for me so I vote for Bloodyc0bbler at this point because he started running early and thus is probably not running for secret reasons and has a ton of experience. I thought it was suspicious he got support earlier but it reminds me of all the support Plexa got in a previous game from name recognition that looked suspicious but ended up being okay. | ||
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On March 18 2009 03:32 Qatol wrote: When do we want to use our double lynches? We should only use those once clue analysis gets more productive. We'll have to wait until we see 3 likely suspects so we can lynch one, activate the power and then lynch two the next day. If we have 2 likely suspects we can probably use the power if we have double lynches to spare and hope the next day's post will get us a third. | ||
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On March 18 2009 03:59 semioldguy wrote: I will make an effort to not be in conflict with the other officer for as long as it seems we are both playing for the same side as I believe if the town is to rally around the officers it needs to be both officers, not just one. Since both officers will always be suspect (as mentioned by BC) I will do my best to only act in a way the town agrees with by letting them know beforehand whenever possible. If the town or other elected comes up with a viable plan (or if I think of something other than what I posted already) then I will do what needs to be done to facilitate that plan. If someone else can be 100% proved to be innocent at any time during the game and for whatever reason the town comes to not completely trust me. I would be willing to use my power how the 100% proved innocent and trusted person wanted it to be used. There is no reason to double lynch on Day Two. It would be incredibly uninformed if we did so since most of the special abilities can't even be used until the second night, meaning we would only have some clue analysis to go off of for a double lynch which is unlikely. Waiting until Day Three or Four would mean we could potentially have at least some concrete information obtained from special roles being used. I think everything semioldguy said here is sharp and I would follow it, too. | ||
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On March 18 2009 04:45 Qatol wrote: Then the mafia wastes early KP doubling up. That works for me. Right, I think BWDero is wrong because there aren't many medics compared to people who would need to be protected. Odds are at least one veteran is a mafia (though that didn't happen last game) and won't be hit and medics will probably double up on protection before coordination so it makes sense for mafia to begin by hitting skilled, experienced players until they can narrow down some blues from vigi hit clues or behavior / slip ups / etc. | ||
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On March 18 2009 05:47 MrBabyHands wrote: a few of the people posting ideas are clearly trying to trick the mafia into making a bad move. this much is obvious. if i noticed this, then certainly the mafia does as well. which is probably why they aren't posting. in most games, the mafia are either actively trying to get elected, or are in the back trying not to attract attention. The later is the case for this game. There is very little bandwagoning and lots of strategic talk. Mafia are just watching at this point. Which tells us that: quatol caller bw semioldguy pyrr bloddycobbler are all very likely innocent. i also know a blue role-- they'd been hinting at it for a while in this thread (prolly subconsciously-- even more proof of their innocence). i doubt anybody else has even picked up on it. I'll PM them to let them know to be more cautious. I think it's way to early for a post like this. Some mafia may just be inactive noobs like with the last game. And mafia can be pretty diverse in how much they post I know when I was in MTF's mafia I talked incessantly (as I did last game as a DT). And we were pretty organized but still we all talked different amounts. All Caller has posted that I've noticed is a post to say he's running and a post to quietly say he's not. I guess maybe something came up but usually he's super active and seemed pretty pumped to participate a few days ago and internal to the game all I can see to motivate him pulling out of the race is that he started running before role PMs and then rolled red at which point he felt the need to slink away from the inevitable DT checks. But external to the game plenty of things may have come up and I can't debate that. | ||
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On March 18 2009 06:27 MrBabyHands wrote: the people who made compelling arguments for being elected are also the ones finding the holes in the strategies others propose. a mafia wouldn't do nearly as much in such a situation. it behooves an elected mafia to commit to following a flawed plan. This is how people think. the people i listed are innocent. When I rolled mafia two games ago I poked holes in plans enthusiastically and in general did everything I could to forget I was red and I was constantly thinking of what my motivations would be as a green townie and what I would say/do as a townie and I almost got into the inner circle that way except I didn't need to because we got our godfather elected partly due to my support. We can trust no one at this point. | ||
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On March 18 2009 06:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I think it's way to early for a post like this. Some mafia may just be inactive noobs like with the last game. And mafia can be pretty diverse in how much they post I know when I was in MTF's mafia I talked incessantly (as I did last game as a DT). And we were pretty organized but still we all talked different amounts. All Caller has posted that I've noticed is a post to say he's running and a post to quietly say he's not. I guess maybe something came up but usually he's super active and seemed pretty pumped to participate a few days ago and internal to the game all I can see to motivate him pulling out of the race is that he started running before role PMs and then rolled red at which point he felt the need to slink away from the inevitable DT checks. But external to the game plenty of things may have come up and I can't debate that. Well Caller has made a lot more posts than just making and ending his candidacy but that just makes me wonder why he is worried about being too lazy to be an officer when he's been able to post so much and he doesn't give an idea of something coming up that will swamp him just that he's lazy. I know he's ran for office in at least one previous game so I figured he'd be serious about his candidacy but maybe he has decided the limelight would be to bright after all? I dunno. | ||
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On March 18 2009 07:15 Night[Mare wrote: do we vote for a sheriff/mayor yet? yeah we need to hurry up i dunno how many have voted but I think there may be only 3 or so hours left and there can't be 40 votes yet, maybe not even 30... | ||
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On March 18 2009 07:18 Chuiu wrote: Morning lasts 48 hours unless otherwise stated. Night is 24 hours. You have another 28ish hours. oh whew | ||
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On March 18 2009 07:19 MrBabyHands wrote: this kinda supports my claim that the mafia havent been posting if the mafia has few experienced people, then they wont be very diverse at all. and i read the last game-- you guys didnt seem that organized to me. lol i understand where you're coming from. i just know that i'm better at figuring people out than they are at hiding. its kinda funny tho-- by addressing my list, you are actually proving your innocence even more. a mafia member wouldnt intentionally cast doubt on a list that says they are innocent. but an innocent trying to help to town would. either way, those people are good. as the game progresses, you will see that.  I wasn't mafia last game, I was mafia in Ace's Mafia World. Last game the mafia was definitely unorganized. | ||
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On March 18 2009 07:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Current vote tally: BC Qatol Jyvblamo Ver Fishball Pyrrhuloxia Fusionsdf Mikeymoo Teejing Semioldguy 0cz3c Mista Pika Chu Pyrrhuloxia i dont think i missed any. I thought I voted for BC not semioldguy | ||
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-If mayor I'll lynch Pika Chu unless something drastic occurs between now and the end of the election. -If sheriff I will imprison mafia that are suspected and can't be lynched yet (the reasoning for this has been explained earlier by a few people, you, me, maybe some others. If people trust me enough to send me roles I will organize them the best I can but I don't think the mayor or sheriff should demand them at the beginning. I think medics should protect innocent looking vets and hopefully DTs can ferret out some people to trust fully. If this occurs I will definetly not contradict such a player / players. I think vigis should call out their hits beforehand since they only have one hit (making sure to send in their hit really early so it goes through). If the mafia use all of their kill power that night we will have a verified blue - if they lay off with killing power to try to make the person look suspicious, that would be stupid of them because we will have successfully deterred them and if they don't kill the vet we can medic protect him into a figurehead. If the vet dies that night (most likely) at least their hit went through and the vet getting killed is essentially a green at that point and much better than losing a DT / Medic / BG etc. More ideas to come I gotta get dinner / make phone calls. | ||
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On March 18 2009 08:32 Pika Chu wrote: People have already noted how keen you are on blaming and trying to lynch me, a innocent townie. That is the best defense i can have. I'm not keen on lynching anybody. If I was a vigi I'm not anywhere near suspicious enough of you that I would kill you. But the mayor has to pick someone to lynch day one and no one sticks out in my mind more at this point. | ||
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On March 18 2009 08:34 semioldguy wrote: There are several reasons why I don't like this plan. We essentially gain nothing unless we also save the Vigilante from being killed. If we don't do that then the Vigilante may have killed an innocent civilian and with the Vigilante dies we did NOT reduce the Mafia's kill power for the night, we increased it. Not only that but we don't have the person with a verified role because now he is dead. Anyone who publicly claims vigilante is likely going to die. They should still do this though as it prevents other roles and their own from being wasted as well as hinders the Mafia's ability to fake roleclaims. Another reason why I don't like this: If the confirmation of Vigilante is secret (which it may have to be in order to get far enough to have some sort of confirmation) then it's too easy to infiltrate. If I was mafia this is how I would try to infiltrate this plan by claiming myself as a Vigilante. Mafia could then use all their kill power killing people and also killing the person the "Vigilante" is supposed to kill. Then a Mafia members comes forward during the next day cycle and says that a Medic contacted him and he was saved. We check him and he turns out to be Mafia, that doesn't really help though, he could have been a Miller. At this point as a town we either need to just lynch one of the two who has come out, in which case our plan has been delayed a very long time or inspect the "Medic." If the medic is the Godfather in hiding then we just "confirmed" a Medic and a Miller and the Mafia is now in the inner circle receiving all of our roleclaims. By this point it will likely be Day 5 or 6 and we will have essentially gotten nowhere in creating a group of confirmed townies. Alright, we agree the vigis should call their hits to avoid overlapping at the very least. The confirmation of the vigi can really only happen if the mafia fucks up and hits people other than the vigi and who the vigi was going to hit (but they'll just hit who the vigi was going to hit and cancel his hit, unless the vigi gets lucky and calls a mafia, since mafia can't hit mafia). Essentially, we agree the vigi should call their hit and if mafia has fallen off the turnip truck we'll get a publicly confirmed blue. I never said anything about private confirmation so there's nothing to infiltrate. If the mafia is off their game and allow us that, the medics should protect them so the mafia either has to waste KP taking out the organizational figure or allows us to get more organized. There's no surefire way to trust anyone if the mafia plays their cards right but if the mafia is as clueless as last game there might be is all I'm saying. Ultimately this game is going to come down to clue analysis and earning trust the old fashioned way, I think. | ||
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So should we medic up on vigis hoping they will kill a mafia and survive the night? If the vigi called out someone the town has high suspicions of and the vigi is someone who has played in a way that looks legit maybe we should consider it because its the most likely way I see to have a publicly confirmed blue that can't be a GF. And if the vigi hits a blue and survives the night with medic help or otherwise, a DT check would confirm they are either vigi or godfather. If they hit a blue we won't send them roles and if there are extra vigi calls we'll have a short list to find mafia from. So... what if we just have one vigi a day call out a hit and then be protected that night. We are bound to eventually hit a red and have someone we can trust. Cons are obviously that it may not be worth the medics focusing and it may take too long and allow too many deaths to set up - plus if mafia get some kills on medics and vigis early we may never get a red and have wasted time setting this up. Still, the unique characteristic that mafia can't kill themselves seems like the only exploitable way to make sure someone is 100% blue so maybe we should consider it. The idea of medics protecting vets could work as long as all vigis call their hits so we know they didn't trigger a medic but the medic and vet could both be mafia or one or both could be millers or godfather and it would be awfully tough to weed that out. | ||
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On March 18 2009 09:41 Tricode wrote: I put my vote with Cob. Don't douche this first game up for me man, or I'll go to Canada and hunt you down. ooh a smurf! any guesses on who this is? | ||
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"Sheriff and Mayor will hide the roles of the elected players so that a Detective role check will show them as Sheriff/Mayor and nothing else." This is exactly why I've already said not to give elected peeps the roles. I'm trying to come up with a plan to figure out someone who can be trusted, feel free to tear it apart since I fear it will be nigh impossible to do this game. @ infun "yes, this is true, however - someone the town is extremely suspicious of is not always red." We'll know if a red dies overnight that the vigi hit a red. "Maybe I am misunderstanding you, but Godfather won't show up on a DT check as Godfather, that's why he is the Godfather..." Right but we will have it narrowed to those two and if that vigi is still alive when the godfather dies we will know they are in the clear at that point. "With one vigi a day claming and medics on him, there is no way to coordinate the meds." There is no way to coordinate the meds in any case because the elected officers certainly can't be trusted. Granted, they are less likely to overlap if picking with intelligent guesses than if ganging up on the supposed vigi. "it would allow mafia... to spread the hits around to key players" There is no guarantee that early on medics won't overlap on one key player, be noobs and overlap on a bad player, or overlap on a key player who is mafia this game. "If the vig misses the negative consequences are rather harsh." The biggest risk I see is the mafia faking as a vigi and stringing us along by posing as a vigi attempting to kill blue after blue and having the mafia end up killing the same person. We would probably have to choose as a town who the vigi should kill because that way a fake vigi wouldn't be able to just choose someone who is not mafia everytime and claim every morning that the mafia had killed the same person in order to foil them. Vigis are always having to deal with the risk of killing a blue or green so as long as its a person the town is okay with attacking I don't think the negative consequences are that bad, however early on we are probably unlikely to have an extra kill to want to give to a vigi that might be fake when we could double lynch - we are also unlikely to even have someone to double lynch. "But if the vig is only targeting suspicious players, why would the medic be planning to protect that person anyway?" They wouldn't, I'm just pointing out a possible epic town fail to make sure it doesn't happen. "So i think it's extremely all-or-nothing, especially early on which unfortunately is when we need the most set up we can get." It is all or nothing but it's the only chance at proven innocence I've been able to see. Seems less risky than other strats ive read although still very risky. Hope someone finds something better. | ||
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If we exhaust all our vigi hits without hitting a red we still have a short list of vigis we can then DT check with either clue checks, role checks, or may just clue analysis as Caller explained. If more than 3 vigis role claim, that's probably better than a vote count list would be for winnowing out a mafia. | ||
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On March 18 2009 10:43 Ace wrote: Well past experience isn't going to help on this one - the rules of the game are different. With the plan these guys have come up with, Mafia claiming vigi is really a valid concern. Even without mafia interference the plan has some big holes but we can't just assume Mafia won't try. Your example actually helps my argument - Tim is highly suspicious. If Tim doesn't flip Mafia the town has just FUCKED up. Bob can be Mafia or legit Vigi but we won't know without solid clue analysis. Even if the clues are worded in a way that shows bob as a vigi(which it won't btw since there are barely any big codenames to go on so far, and even if there were we'd be trying this too early to be able to seperate Mafia codenames from Vigi codenames) what do we do now? Send in all the roles to Bob, who absorbs tons of medic prot and even if he lives now has to sort out liars and coordinate DTs and use up all the rolechecks on the liars? All of you are making the classic mistake you make every game - you look at the good side of the "what if" example and always forget the other side, which more than likely will happen. This time the good side isn't even that good as it's a plan with so many flaws. Very high risk for moderate gain. The best bet for this plan to work is to hope that Bob is a legit Vigi that also happens to be running for Sheriff/Mayor. Even then it probably won't work out well. The risk isn't that freaking high: if the vigi hits red we know they can't be mafia or even GF and we can send them roles. If the vigi doesn't hit a red we don't send them roles and see what we can figure out from clue analysis, clue checks, role checks. | ||
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On March 18 2009 10:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Thing is: say a legit vig claims a hit, and overnight turns out that person was green/blue. Mafia can now kill the vig for free, because it reveals no new information to us. Or they let him live and allow suspicion to develop. Even some mafia/players could push a case to say that the vig must have been faking and start a bandwagon to lynch, then we lost a lynch and a vig and a vig hit and a bystander. You cannot count on such a bandwagoning attempt to be immediately transparent - i think the power of bandwagoning has been proven in previous games. If the Vig is going to kill a blue/green the mafia will probably let him do it. If the vig is going to kill red they will probably try to kill the vig to prevent organization. If the vig gets killed after killing a blue/green its not the end of the world since they had no power left anyway. If the mafia bandwagon to kill the vig who killed a blue/green I think they will look suspicious - we aren't giving the roles to a vig unless they hit red. On the fourth day if a vigi comes forward saying they are a vigi when we've already had 3 claim then we have a short list from which we can find at least one mafia and if we accidentally kill a blue/green while using clues to sift through it at least they are ones that killed how the town wanted them to (have to make sure we hold them to this so the mafia won't want to fake a vigi and then be asked to kill a red that they can't kill) and are now powerless. On March 18 2009 10:50 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I understand we have precious few options for confirming blues, but the adequacy of the plans so far leads me to question whether it is even worth it to bother with them in this round. I suspect it will be better to hold our elected officials to an agenda that solely benefits town - under pressure of lynch if they screw up. This could help minimize any damage done by a possible elected mafia, because an elected townie will act for the towns benefit anyway unless he is an idiot. But then we just screwed up by electing an idiot etc. I do agree that the vigi plan is a long shot however I don't think it is mutually exclusive with holding elected officials to the demands of the town under pain of lynch - that should happen regardless. | ||
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On March 18 2009 10:59 Ace wrote: ... Vigis don't have a lot of shots this game. If a Vigi hits Tim the innocent Townie he is no longer confirmed. End of the plan. If Bob the Vigi turns out to hit Mafia, then all medic prot goes to Bob(who can still be killed) after he's been jailed for a night and everyone else gets killed. Sure, Bob can pass on his unsorted list of liars to someone else - but who does he pass it on to? He can't confirm anyone himself because da da da - he's just a vigi! see how many holes this plan has even if you get everything right by chance? If the vigi turns out to be confirmed good the unsorted list will probably yield him some sort of goodies - if everyone does their duty and sends in their role the mafia will have to fake role claim at least one of every blue or there will be someone to pass it on toward. He'll be able to check at least some stuff I imagine and yeah that makes him a big target but this has still been a legitimate goal of the town every game despite the risk it carries. Even if the mafia use 100% of their KP to take him out, that's a ton of KP to kill one person and helps out the town a bunch in catching up to the bad guys. | ||
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On March 18 2009 11:11 Ace wrote: 1.) what CLUECHECK? The Vigi is going to show up the same night as Mafia codenames IF we even get codenames. So how are you going to know which is which? You can't. Then you still have to find the right clue. And you still are assuming that your highly suspect person is going to flip Mafia. If he doesn't thats it - it's over. 2.) The vigi wouldn't risk dying if none of us know who he is. I'd rather something happen in the day that makes someone plainly obviously mafia, Vigi hitting that guy, and then finding a way to prove it was him rather than going to the reverse option which is just terrible in this game. 3.) actually you haven't. We know the mafia can't control what clues they get - they never have in any mafia game. But since you don't know who the mafia are, you can't tell who the clues point to or how they are done. So when you throw the Vigi in there you just have one big mess and no way of figuring it out. 4.) how do you know the mafia are going to be checked by faking another role? Remember, the DTs are going to have to check every other list too, and this says nothing about how many rolechecks they will have left at that point. Faking blue roles is a very legit strat this game. and once again - the GF will never miss. He's better off hitting if he wants the town's trust. If his target is Mafia, which he could never hit then he would have never fake claimed vigi to begin with and let the plan continue so they could just ruin it later down the line. 1) If they call out in advance and only they call out and we agree they should call out, then if a red dies we don't even have to clue check them we know they are good because mafia can't hit mafia. 2) I doubt anything would happen in the day that would obviously make someone mafia and then not have them killed in a lynch or double lynch. If 3 mafia out themselves accidentally in one day they are Team Noobzors and we'll win regardless. If you can give a way for them to prove in reverse they made a hit I'll entertain it. 3) The vigi calls out who they are going to kill. So, if a vigi claims to hit a blue/green, you look for the clue connected to the person they killed and see if it points to the vigi and that the people dying that night outnumbered the mafia KP. I don't think I'd send my role into a vigi confirmed this way though. A dt could clue check them though to make sure and at least start up a private circle with them if this happened. 4) The beauty of this vigi plan is that it gives us at least a chance to confirm a blue without using a DT (we don't have a DT that we can trust in the beginning anyway). I don't see any other plan giving us even a chance for trustworthy organization. | ||
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On March 18 2009 11:15 Ace wrote: There is no martyr this game, no vet,no jacks, and very few medics. There are only so many guesses to go around. But ok, go ahead and ignore my warnings. If the vigi misses on a high probability target, now we have to hope we kill the GF and that the original vigi wasn't a normal mafia faking it. Then we also have to hope another vigi steps up, takes his shot, and that the guy he hit flips mafia thereby confirming him instead. but if he misses neither of them are confirmed, 1 person is surely lying if the GF claimed also, and then we trust BOTH of them even though we don't know which one is legit. Yes, let's go with this idea. If they both miss we DON'T TRUST EITHER OF THEM. It's not that hard to understand - if they miss we are neutral to them we sure as hell don't send them roles and if we can exonerate them or implicate them later we do it. Simple as that. | ||
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On March 18 2009 11:18 Ace wrote: If the mafia use all their KP to take the guy out the info is lost. Remember it takes some DAYS to even get the info out to DTs to sort it. He'll be dead by the second night he's out. The mafia have more to gain than the town by faking every blue role. Even at the loss of 3 members, the town loses all their info, half or even more of the legit DT rolechecks and a few days on a plan that at best gets us less than even to where the mafia are now. This plan takes no DTs to get to a confirmed blue. Without this the DTs are going to be islands unto themselves unable to avoid overlapping anyway. | ||
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On March 18 2009 09:57 Caller wrote: That said, I vote for semioldguy, because BC does the same electoral thing every game, and that worries me. Anyone know what he means by this? | ||
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On March 18 2009 11:58 Ace wrote: Of course I have a better plan, I'm just not going to reveal it yet because I can't. But I sure as hell won't watch the town follow a plan that's going to put us in the grave. As a responsible townie it's my job to poke holes in any plan until it's revised to the point it can't be destroyed so easily. If not, then we just abandon the plan - like we should be doing with this one. @Inf: You know if I'm against some plan in a Mafia game and if you assume I'm innocent - there has to be a really good reason right? Look at the plan and tell me after going through all the "if this happens, and then if this and this and this" happens and it all comes out what is the point? It's like no one realizes this game is designed so that there is no way to have early central organization as easy as before, but you guys are going to kill yourselves and all the rest of us in trying. right now it's better to see how the this election and the first day plays out while letting the DTs do whatever it is they want to do. I had a plan that I didn't want to share and so I can definitely think of reasons you wouldn't want to yet so that idea isn't too sketch but you are continuing to attack a strawpersyn argument here. Our plan of trying to see if he can confirm a vigi by having them get lucky with a red hit wouldn't tie up a single DT check. If the vigi doesn't get lucky we are hardly in the grave; we're not going to hand roles over to a vigi that isn't 100% innocent. I realize the game is designed to not have early centralization but holding elected officials accountable and playing the game with respect to that is not mutually exclusive with spacing out vigis and trying to get a verified blue with a list they can work with and try to pass on. More information can only help us - if the vigi gets killed after making their hit they were powerless at that point anyway. We don't necessarily have to have the vigis use their kills asap just make sure only one goes away but sooner would be better imo because we are always toying with the risk they die before they can do anything. | ||
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BC (10) Qatol Jyvblamo Ver Fishball Chaoser Pyrrhuloxia Scaramanga Zeks 3 Lions Tricode Pyrrhuloxia (5) Fusionsdf Mikeymoo Teejing LaxerCannon Malongo (Switched from Caller) Semioldguy (10) 0cz3c Mista Pika Chu Phrujbaz BWDero Truthbringer Caller TranceStorm dreamflower CynanMachae (changed his vote from BC) Mr.BabyHands (1) Ace Hope this is accurate... | ||
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On March 18 2009 13:16 motbob wrote: I vote Pyrrhuloxia because I think semioldguy is mafia. Something about his posts don't sit right with me... I'm probably wrong. Yeah I'm kind of confused. I think there's got to be a mafia candidate by now but no idea who it is. I definitely wouldn't even rule out Mr.BabyHands. | ||
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I want to make it clear that I believe we can only trust the vigi if they hit a red. We should also have the town vote on who we ask the vigi to kill - this means we can force a fake vigi to be obligated to kill one of their own and thus out themselves and avoid a fake vigi continually faking that their kills are being stolen (and if a real vigi gets his kills stolen, well, the dead person has been voted against and thus probably would have been hung later on anyway, and at least the vigi gets their kill back and gets to try again). Of course this plan would require medics to cover the vigi. This means faking a vigi is great for the mafia because they get to have the medics on one of their own while they kill us. Then again, the medics could be doubling up or helping out mafia players anyway since without this plan I don't see a path to organization. Saying I'm as good as mafia is bullshit. For pages now I've explained that my plan wouldn't tie up any DTs because we only trust the vigi if they kill a red because anything else can be fake. Do we want to risk losing vigis / wasting medic protection to try to get a guaranteed blue we can trust? I dunno; we should still be debating it. We're risking losing vigis / medics no matter what we do, everything could be doubled up or used to help mafia if we have no organization. And yes, even if we get a verified blue they could die fast / not get enough role claims / not find someone to pass things on to. But it has been the most helpful thing in the past and was killer in the previous game. I can't imagine it wouldn't be tremendously helpful in some regard this time. The mafia could throw us for a loop but as long as we don't trust anyone who doesn't kill a red (Ace is spot on that we can't rely on codenames to appear or trust someone who claims to be a DT or the mouthpiece of one) then I don't think we're way up shit creek. I suppose It's more than arguable that tied up medics will lose us too many skilled players early and that we shouldn't have vigis killing until we have a lot more clue material. I'm willing to follow whatever the town decides on here and maybe Ace is right that this plan would be best held off until we have more info that would give us more options if the vigi's kill gets blocked. I guess the question is, are we resigned to the fact that early organization is not worth the risk this game and can we trust individual blues to act well without a circle until the DTs build one (which may never happen if they die early or don't get the right checks)? | ||
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1. Shock wave is a Pikachu move "He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave." Shock wave is a move that Pikachu can learn: http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Shock_Wave_(move) 2. Seems like at least one of the mafia is short. "They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car." It could be that Chuiu lowers the gun a bit because he realizes one of them is short so he aim it at them a little better. This one isn't that great or important. 3,4. One mafia can grab a gun with his hand behind his back - this same mafia stands up at rest and then runs while leaned over. "One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side." Notice that Pikachu stands up straight on two feet while at rest, then runs parallel to the ground - Pikachu would have no problem sprinting while lowering to the ground: (I knew my tv tuner would serve a purpose someday!) Also, Pikachu would have no problem grabbing a gun with his hands behind his back because he grabs them with this mouth: 5. This same mafia can throw a gun to the side without using his hands: "with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side" 6. This same mafia uses a tackle move: "He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it." Might be a reference to the pokemon move: http://www.pokebeach.com/scans/expedition/124-pikachu.jpg 7. Chuiu is at least somewhat familiar with smash bros, the game the vids are from He posted in a thread about it, I dunno about incognito http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=42012¤tpage=2 | ||
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On March 19 2009 07:58 Pika Chu wrote: #3,4 Jesus, can't you even read the whole story? One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu. What this means is: the mafia who was before lowering himself to the ground is now sprinting to Chuiu, and NOT that the mafia is lowering himself to sprint to chuiu. What? I don't even understand what your saying here. All of your defenses seem to be predicated on the idea that Chuiu can't possibly require clue analysis to use any lateral thinking whatsoever. EDIT: Grammar | ||
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On March 19 2009 09:11 fusionsdf wrote: because its going to be impossible to organize town this time, so the goal is to put someone in mayor/sheriff we want to keep alive. clue analyzers are people we want to keep alive. The second reason, and pyrr is going to hate this, is if he all of a sudden starts giving bad analysis or stops analyzing, we will increase our suspicion of him being mafia. In other words hes analyzing clues to save his life ha ha ha Oh fuck lol  tbh I already started running for mayor partly because I thought it looked weird that someone voted for me when I wasn't even running (another part was that I want to not be lazy and I want to try to exercise my leadership muscles). | ||
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On March 19 2009 09:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I can concede to that, but usually its 1-2 words. I more mentioned it as, using an entire encounter on day 1 as a clue towards one player is insanely hard to do, the whole scenario is just weird, he could still be mafia, but I would more say chances of pika chu being mafia off an entire scenario are really low. Think of it this way, his name is pika chu and chuiu likes using clues that are more roundabout or make you think in some way. Using someone who drops down, then charges someone then grabbing someones gun is highly unlikely to be the little rat we all love to hate from smash bros or pokemon. I mean hell if you want to look at areas that are potential clues as well He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get up We know that the mafia in question here only helped him up to stab him but, why would Chuiu take that hand knowing he was someone he had just tried to arrest? Chances are its someone who confused him, or dazed him or the like. that could link to Trancestorm, Dreamflower As for your charging theme, that pika chu is being hit up for, go look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=LeperKahn That looks to be a pull or ram sort of thing, it could easily have been what charged, hands behind the head could signify horns. That all took me maybe 5-10 mins to look at, and are just as insubstantial as the rest. DAY 1 is not good for clue analysis, its normally not enough to hit a mafia with, sometimes we get lucky, but its not worth the hassle of hitting a potential blue or green. BC's saying some great stuff here, pals so I'm glad I voted for him. We've never got a mafia day 1 except accidentally jumping on a clue meant for someone else so I'm really nowhere near 100% on Pikachu's guilt, it's just the closest thing I've seen and everyone should be doing work to see what they can find. | ||
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On March 19 2009 09:31 Bockit wrote: How is he going to "grabbed the gun and threw it to the side" with his hands behind his head if he doesn't have some other way to grab a gun beside his hands? Pyrr has suggested a tail and has provided a lot of supporting evidence and supporting clues to match a theme for this. I suggested using a mouth (not a tail) to throw the gun. EDIT TO ADD: Mouth makes more sense to grab things than a ram's horns, imo. | ||
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On March 19 2009 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Seriously guys, DAY ONE ANALYSIS is almost pointless. lynching an inactive first is more beneficial. I'm inclined to agree with this, we can always sit on this and keep a close eye on Pikachu's actions and see if more clues corroborate or disprove this while we go after someone who's not contributing / probably won't use their blue roles for good even if they have them. I think that behavior analysis is probably better earlier though Mr.BabyHands seems a little less than thorough to me so far. I think maybe looking at who is helping who and how certain they are about it may be helpful although certainly not foolproof. I say this because I'm pretty confuzzled at who to support at this point. Right now everyone has to choose someone to vote for and thus support but it should get more effective after day 1 to look at alliances. | ||
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1. You said Chuiu will be trying to avoid the inertinept mistake again. Well inertinept isn't even the first time that's happen. Someone with a coffee-related name got inadvertently nailed day one before and QQed - its always a risk and you'd have to be superhuman to avoid it with 65 players with names and profiles and so on. Look at how Chuiu took criticism from Ace - he doesn't give a fuck, he's confident in his abilities. 2. "How about we give Pikachu an ability he's never had before and have him throw the gun to the side." Because I totally didn't post a video of Pikachu doing just that. 3. You said Pikachu reacted normally and I'm being bloodthirsty by looking for input on my contribution. Alright, thinking as someone running for mayor and knowing that we have to pick someone day 1 im looking for input on what might be a better move than the one I had the courage to take the risk of bringing up first. I figure Pika Chu would be motivated to do so, although in retrospect I shouldn't expect him to. Chuiu's clues weren't that tough even on day 1 last time. Raxor = = razor = sharp man? That's doable early, I think. There's nothing wrong asking for input I put a lot of thought into it and wanted to have people knock holes in it or give their own ideas but no one really even came up with an alternate target for the MANDATORY (meaning I'm not blood thirsty for bringing it up) day 1 lynch until MrBabyHands threw out mandalor on about page 20. Participation is a must for the town to win, I'd be wrong to not encourage it. 4. As a matter of fact, I would vote to lynch Pikachu right now. Would you have came to that conclusion if I hadn't presented my case with such gusto? I've admitted this whole time that I know this has a high risk of being wrong but it's the best I've got for day one which seems to be what you're thinking so why am I a landmine the town must steer clear of? | ||
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On March 19 2009 10:26 fusionsdf wrote:Does anyone have a list of inactives? I think when we get the next vote count it'll be missing a bunch of names unfortunately and I think that'll give us a good start on one | ||
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On March 19 2009 11:45 redtooth wrote: don't know who the hell ydg is but as i said in my last post i'm going to go ahead and trust babyhands for now. i really don't want pyrr elected. sorry bro but i got to do what i got to do. I'm confused, you're trusting mr.babyhands but voting for semioldguy? Mr.BabyHands has said all of the candidates are innocent, I imagine he would want himself considered innocent. I can't agree with that. I guess maybe mafia is inactive or confused but Ace had a big long rant about how great of a reward with little risk winning the election would be for them so I can't imagine they aren't trying unless they are so terrible they have no chance of winning. Maybe they are going for the least activity possible strat which is probably a decent one but the town seems ready to go after inactives so... | ||
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On March 19 2009 12:18 ZaplinG wrote: I was going to keep fairly quiet until things died down a little bit, but who is Pyrrhuloxia and why is he getting so much support? I mean, I know who semi-old guy is, I know who BC is, I saw that Mr.BabyHands was backed by Ace and Caller from the start and I know who they are... ...but Pyrrhuloxia seems a little random to me. Did he play a major role in earlier mafia games, or what? If all you are voting him in on is a shoddy day 1 clue analysis (lol?), then I just don't get it. I'm not accusing anyone here, I'm just a little confused and a little under-read. lol if you're so awesome why aren't you running? I've been super (hyper, even) active in the games I've played and someone voted for me so it gave me the confidence I need to throw my name in the hat. Been pleasantly surprised at the support I've gotten so far but I will definitely earn it through hard work for the town if elected. | ||
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On March 19 2009 12:57 malongo wrote: I think it would be honest from all the candidates to name their first lynch BEFORE the final count in case they are elected Mayor. I already did this, saying Pika Chu. Would like to see others do it, too. | ||
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A lurker is similar to a zergling I suppose but I would think that a lowering lurker would be like a burrowed lurker and lurkers can't move underground (maybe they can in sc2? i wouldn't know). | ||
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On March 19 2009 13:32 CompX wrote: thanks for u Pyrrhuloxia for mentioning that name! Mr. BabyHands can be the one who helped Chuiu up and stabbed Chuiu in the chest since babies can be curious and all that. haha now you're mocking me :'( | ||
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On March 19 2009 14:24 BloodyC0bbler wrote:  could just take the hit i sent In instead haha.Omg you edgy comedian, you! If you turn out to be mafia, I'll get you for this taunt! I'll... I'll... I don't know what I'll do! *shakes fisticuff* | ||
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On March 19 2009 14:32 BloodyC0bbler wrote: He asked us to submit who we would have lynched if we were chosen as mayor, i said Rice for being inactive, I said as much in here. I know, I also sent one in for Pika Chu in case I won. But if you were mafia it could be a cruel joke at our expense. | ||
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That said I think I am in a shitty double bind tonight. Either Pika Chu is mafia and the mafia think I'm a good clue analyzer and they are going to kill me or Pika Chu isn't a mafia but the mafia thinks I'm good and they'll kill me or Pika Chu isn't mafia and I suck . I guess Pika Chu could be mafia and the mafia could still think I suck. Lol this game makes me so paranoid. | ||
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I love how he says "In my experience, it's usually the mafia that explicitly defends a quality of the mafia" even though the only game he's played was Ace's Mafia World (I assume, with how low his post count is) and he was mafia in that game. I guess it is this one game of experience that gives him the idea that all mafia post once in a blue moon like he did. I frickin' hope he's not in a mafia irc again, that was such a lame maneuver; it wasn't even an awesome infiltration, he just used a script to auto join channels all new channels before they could be password protected. Also, if I remember correctly Ace thought the irc infiltration was a bit lame which makes me wonder why the hell he would support MrBabyMan from the very beginning of this game off of like 2 crazy posts. Rereading MBH's analysis, it looks even more laughable. And yet so many votes from Class-S players like Ace, Caller, Ver, etc. Flying fuck fish that seems weird to me. And yet I don't think he's mafia and I think there must be a method to this madness. I say I don't think he's mafia because I don't think these great players would vote for him and keep their votes on him if they were in the mafia with him even when he started losing, although it would look weird to switch. Maybe these good players are mafia and MrBabyMan isn't and they put their votes on him thinking he couldn't win and would be a safe / unsuspicious place to put votes? Or maybe they are mafia and the mafia has multiple candidates? (I think it would be a devastating strategy for the mafia in this ruleset to make multiple candidates early in order to discourage others from running since they think there are enough candidates already and whichever mafia wins will be cloaked by the office from DTs) My guess... either those good players voting for MBH are doing so to keep a low profile (since they placed their vote somewhere that couldn't win, although they could all be mafia that were hoping for a last minute bandwagon since that sometimes gets inactives' votes at the last minute) which they could be doing so either as mafia or just skilled blue/greens that have to do everything they can to lay low and avoid mafia hits. OR even most likely, MBH is a smurf they trust, maybe a higher-up from SC2GG or GG or something (that may have been confirmed during Ace's Mafia World, I think moletrap or pretzel or klazart or some people(s) were in that game; maybe that is the explanation). I'm so wishy-washy and have no idea what's going on. It's a good thing I didn't get elected I drank too much caffeine again and can't think straight. | ||
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On March 19 2009 17:32 Ace wrote: Mr.BabyHands is a mafia player from another website that I invited last game. I voted for him because I put his game playing ability on the same level as pretty much any top-tier Mafia player here. Secondly, I never said the IRC infiltration was lame. I was actually somewhat indifferent to it ^_^ We just had to end the game because of all the problems it caused. Alright, thanks for clarification.Yeah, it was legit but awfully frustrating, especially because I never even used the irc. | ||
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On March 19 2009 17:34 Caller wrote: this he is a very strong player, as I recall from Ace's mafia game. What did he do other than the irc thing? | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia: Making sure no one else is the last poster for more than 30 seconds since 2008! | ||
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On March 19 2009 17:54 Pika Chu wrote: Look, i couldn't care less if i get lynched, it's a game and it's the first time i play it. What i do care about is that you aren't thinking. Too many of you aren't reading all the posts and are way too enthusiast when they've been given a track, they even stop questioning over it and just go with the band wagon. And the second problem is, this stupid mentality of blaming someone else. I really really hate this mentality and i believe only retarded people use this who don't have enough integrity to stand on their own feet and you are telling me to use it and find someone to blame? Seriously man what am i, a 10 year kiddo or do i look retarded to you? Now i've realized that most (which have actually voted for pyrr) aren't really looking for clues and don't even care, they are only looking for show. And sorry but i am not willing to contribute to this senseless show, i prefer keeping things simple and honest. It's exactly like politics. Some people really don't give a fuck to what they say, they just watch the show and think "man, he did blame the other one for being a pedo? this guy is cool, i'm voting for him". Take a good look at everyone who voted for pyrr, they aren't interested in reasoning but in bandwagoning the simple stuff. Throw a bone and they'll fetch it, no questions asked. ur a fuckin pedo | ||
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In Ace's Mafia World, between sign up and election he made one (possibly 2) tiny posts and was a vigilante... | ||
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On March 19 2009 18:08 Pika Chu wrote: Would you please force some clues on that too? I'm tempted to, but I want us to be best friends forever <3. | ||
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On March 20 2009 06:35 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Why did the 4th mafia stay behind? Waiting for Incognito so he could kill him, one could possibly say that he was "lurking"... mm not bad | ||
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I think some townies might not care - there are a lot of inactives every game (some of every role) so not everyone hovers over the game incessantly like I do. I comparison of Mandalor's behavior in this game against previous games could be helpful here. @ 0cz3c I voted BC because 1. He started running before roles so there's a 1/6.5 chance that he ends up mafia (he could start running before and then stop if he ends up blue/green or red or something [Caller?] based on his thinking so it's not that simple, but it helps a bit). 2. He gave an impressive experienced resume, experience helps a lot in this game - knowing the community is super-important for being successful at Mafia games. 3. I wanted to vote and I wanted to win and I couldn't vote for myself so voting for the persyn with the most support meant I wouldn't vote against myself ending up in the top 2. 4. BC was pretty cautious about plans and picking them apart without being too negative and in general seemed to have the same level of caution I have which was at least a bit reassuring. 5. The main competitor was semioldguy. I don't think the hearing clue is any real strike against him. I don't think he's a noob so the support isn't that surprising. Something about him made me uneasy although I can't remember what now maybe it was that I thought either BC or semioldguy had to be a mafia candidate and I wanted to rationalize my vote I'll think it over more in depth a little later I'm in class now. 6. I didn't understand Mr.BabyHands - I do a lot more now and might have voted for him in retrospect but it was too late - he should've had a campaign announcement that didn't look like a joke if he wanted my vote although I think that type of behaviour ultimately has its strategic value. | ||
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On March 20 2009 08:31 Ace wrote: It doesn't quite work that way. Remember, the entire point of a Vigi calling out a hit is to prove their innocence. Sure, you can assume you lower Mafia KP by 1 - but it's a chance I'm sure Mafia are willing to take so the Vigi can't do it. Hence, we go another day with an unconfirmed Vigilante. Then it's a stretch to assume the Medics will protect the Vigilante AND the Mafia will hit him in the same night. The other problem also being is that what happens if the Vigi is a fake, but a real vigi targets him and he gets medic protected? x_x Lastly, for all this to work the Vigi hit has to go through and it has to hit red. If it kills an innocent we are back to square one. We're not talking about that plan anymore Ace. "the entire point of a Vigi calling out a hit is to prove their innocence" Now we're now talking about the fact that the only thing getting in the way of medics knowing people they protect are innocent are the 3 kills vigis can give. Vigis can't kill day 1 (according to you) so medics know they can trust day 1 protections but after that if vigis are silent they will make medics more uneasy than they have to be. If vigis just say they are going to kill someone after they pm their hit but don't say who they will hit, the mafia can't block it, the medics will know they can't 100% trust protection that night and can take necessary precautions, the mafia might take out the vigi but at least his hit will probably go through, and we don't have to put medics onto the vigi because they can't prove they are a vigi since they aren't saying who they will hit (if they survive somehow and hit a red I suppose they can prove it later and it might be obvious if vigis go one day at a time and all follow this). This would make the vigi essentially a suicide bomber though so if the vigi is a good player its probably not in their best interest. In any case, its all up to the vigi ultimately to decide what they will do. | ||
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On March 20 2009 09:13 Qatol wrote: Pyrr, the medics are unlikely to kill anyone who is seriously called out as a target in the thread. It is unlikely that a vigi will hit someone other than a serious target with their hit. If they do, it is unlikely they will hit anyone off that list. That list is likely where the medics will be. Medics stopping vigi hits is an unlikely scenario at best. Exactly what I thought and why I thought Ace's worries seemed extreme. | ||
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If a public vigi gets his kill refunded he'll die that night. But a public vigi won't get his kill refunded - he sends his kill in early so the mafia will see the kill and then react: If the vigi names a blue/green the mafia let him do it and get an EXTRA kill. If the vigi names a red, yay. Either way, If you're a good player that's managed to live this long while contributing you're gonna bring a lot of attention to yourself and die especially if you use red kill to show up as a guaranteed innocent. I think MrBabyHands has shown that good players have to do everything they can to maintain a low profile to survive. Also, if a private vigi kills a red they can wait until they think the climate is right to make the claim if they think they can lead to the town can maybe ask them to come out if they want to protect the vigi with medics at that point. Seriously though, I think it's like a Monty Hall problem to some extent. If the vigi is gonna hit a blue that the mafia was going to hit, the mafia will get a boost by switching their hit to another player since the vigi can't change their hit and sends it in before the mafia giving them time to react. So it's kind of like a potential two-hit swing against the town's favor if the vigis call out hits: Private Vigi: if they pick a blue, they can get lucky and pick one the mafia picked and get their hit back, maybe get lucky next time Public Vigi: if they pick a blue, the mafia won't pick that person and so the mafia get an extra hit even if the mafia fuck up and put a hit for the same person, the vigi will probably get killed that night and not be able to use the refunded hit | ||
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On March 20 2009 12:29 semioldguy wrote: A puiblic Vigi can NEVER have his kill refunded. How many times do I have to post that for people to stop bringing up the possibility of something impossible happening? he can also never have his kill refunded because the mafia will always hit a blue or green that the vigi isn't targetting. edit blue or green instead of blue | ||
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On March 20 2009 12:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah I agree that the clue definitely suggests some extra body part or force being used. Versatile's name just jumped out to me on the list when I was thinking about that particular mafioso. hahah excellent point. Don't worry, eventually someone will say the gladiator link in my profile is a clue because a mafioso killed someone with a knife (oh if only MidnightGladius was playing  ) Didn't someone say that there was a scene from the movie Gladiator where someone helps another guy up and then stabs them? | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:16 Night[Mare wrote: this game is fucking test heavy! anyone has some kind of summary? summaries are gonna be biased / misleading if you are serious it is best to plow through it | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:23 semioldguy wrote: Besides... if we write too much maybe it will discourage the Mafia from trying to figure out what the town is doing :p hey maybe I'm not useless after all! | ||
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Lol my platform wasn't clue analysis, although it was the reasoning of most of my supporters. This is why I don't summarize I usually find something off putting about them. | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:33 JL13 wrote: Lol, my bad. I realized this right after I saw your post regarding avoiding bias ^_^. Well I suppose I talked about it as part of my platform because some people started supporting me because of it, but there was also the vigi plan we debated that I went from defending vociferously to eventually rejecting. And following the town but who doesn't say that. And being (hyper)active. And <3, don't forget <3. And there was more I think but no matter at this point I guess. | ||
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EDIT TO ADD THIS: I know that it is not quite 24 hours since he got home and sent in the hit, its like 21. I am asking if the day post is supposed to come 24 hours after voting ended or after the night post? EDIT TO AVOID DOUBLE POST: Night post was a lot later than I thought, looks like it might not come till 6:30 pacific which won't even come around by the time Bisu vs. Fantasy is over so probably won't come till Chuiu wakes up in the morn. | ||
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On March 20 2009 15:27 semioldguy wrote: Chuiu told me in PM he make a post before long lol ok thanks | ||
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On March 20 2009 16:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: haha I wish i could, but well, work, drinking, dancing, many women are in my future tommorrow. many womyn why can't you leave one for me you ass | ||
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On March 20 2009 18:11 Ver wrote: I like how this is your first post. Silent mafia much? Is it really? Maybe I'm just confused because redtooth has been talking a lot and he is another one that comes up when "sharp" does. | ||
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Scaramanga's explanation about the BG eff up seems like it would sort of match the type of eff up Chuiu explained in the green post (or maybe an attempt to exploit that? should look at the timing of those missives more closely). I think we should do our best to find clues and behavior analysis that can implicate the same persyn. Someone said Lurker might be suspicious for his lackluster campaign, though I think that could be as indicative of noob townie and noob mafia (although I think noob townie would know to vote for an experienced persyn). Lurker could also be the mafia waiting around while Incognito tried to dig through the rubble for underground evidence of him. That's some really poor behavioral analysis and iffy day 1 clue stuff but hopefully we can find better clues to match some of this better behavior analysis once day 2 pops up. | ||
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On March 21 2009 17:56 Scaramanga wrote: Nice oneeeee, plan worked out, soaked a hit for you guys, glhf town :D Is he saying that he faked bodyguard to find out if someone in the Ver/BC/MBH/etc. behind the scenes operation is mafia? That seems like it might be a bit much for a death post. | ||
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On March 21 2009 19:23 semioldguy wrote: Mandalor is Mafia... I am 100% sure of this. ##I vote to lynch mandalor Is there anything new against mandalor? I'm still not convinced. | ||
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On March 21 2009 14:13 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: Hmmm......clues in Camlito's death.....the white flower, torn ticket stubs, popcorn and it even said he picked them up as trash off the floor. This sounds like a bum or hobo....either it's too obvious as a clue or I'm on to something I don't get it. Why would a bum collect ticket stubs? | ||
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FYI: Mandalor seems to be a reference to this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalore I don't see any clues jumping out at me yet but they could sure be there somewhere in Days 1 and 2. EDIT: I don't vote for mandalor | ||
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1. MrBabyHands said mafia was being inactive and then Mandalor posted -That could just be because he first saw the thread at that point for whatever reason. There are players that haven't even posted yet, I think. Ver didn't post until after this and he flipped innocent. (Not to mention that Ver's other target was Scaramanga, who flipped innocent). 2. Mandalor questioned the list after MrBabyHands praised me for questioning the list -I do think it is a bit odd that mandalor picked this issue up after it had died down a bit although it was only a page or two back in a timespan heavy with activity. I don't get why MrBabyHands thinks that mafia is offline during night and online during day - that makes no sense to me. 3. Mandalor defended a quality of the mafia -Mandalor only said that MrBabyHands took mafia as stupid because MBH said mafia was inactive and would stay back and not help town or would try to lead town into bad plans - they would never help construct good plans. Well, in Ace's Mafia World I definitely put honest thinking and input into the plans of the town even though I was mafia. Prior to night 1, I voted for my godfather but damn near everything else I did, I did as if I was a highly energetic townspersyn. I knocked holes into plans where I saw them, I suggested things, etc. Some of this was because I thought I had a good shot at getting my Godfather elected mayor but alot of it was just that a good mafia will try to compartmentalize their thinking. They will have a What Would a Townie Do? bracelet on their wrist and not be constantly acting for the mafia's interest but instead will be an honest to goodness townie except for the few key subtle moments where they turn the tide of the game. I don't think that every candidate can be innocent and most were on MBH's list. I'm even beginning to become suspicious of some of the people who voted for me. My suspicion of Pika Chu looks a little crazy in retrospect now that I've settled down into the game a bit and I wonder if some mafia began to vote for me because they think I suck (no offense to those innocents that voted for me). Mandalor posted this in response to MBH's first post accusing him as mafia for sure, by name: "In my experience the players who stir the most shit, going on a blind witchhunt are most likely to be mafia. How is that for behavioral analysis? Your behavioral analysis is based purely on thinking anyone who criticizes you or posted after the first day has to be mafia. That is hilarious and I hope everyone can see that, I haven't read the replies to this, yet." I remember reading this and thinking it seems like a pretty natural response for a townie and I still kinda feel that way. Although I criticized MBH and he thinks I'm innocent so it's wrong but I could still see an innocent townie getting pissed off and saying that. On to Ver's accusatory post... At this point I see that semioldguy is role claiming DT and so I'm going to stop doing all the work digging through this. | ||
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On March 21 2009 19:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: semioldguy's confidence tells me there may be something against mandalor that he can't reveal. Lol, I called it. Explanation having been given, #I vote to lynch Mandalor. | ||
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On March 22 2009 06:26 Versatile wrote: These are things that stuck out to me from day 2, not including things that have already been expressed by others, for fear of being repetitive. 1. Camlito was killed by someone who he thought was a theatre attendant: could this indicted a mafia in some position of authority, whom he trusted, was his killer? 2. Everyone except Incognito has been killed by stabbing or an explosion; with all the creative ways there are to kill people, why would Chu only use these? I think it might be a theme of sorts. 3. As for the mafia personalities, I've come up with: a. Powerful, dressed in all black, armed man b. Weak, pathetic fight man c. Tattooed biker man d. Person-in-charge w/ bum characteristics Just some thoughts. The trash collection attendant killed his victim with his bare hands, not a gun (like with Incognito), or a stabbing or explosion. | ||
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@ Rice who says: "These clues are well thought out, and well hidden. Why would he make such blatantly obvious clues?" Lol, how would you know how good the clues are at this point if you aren't mafia? No one has tied a clue to Rebirth of Legend, it's possible he died before a clue was made for him, so we don't know how the clues might be working this game yet. | ||
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On March 22 2009 06:49 Versatile wrote: hmm, I missed that, thanks. quick question: what is the virtue of a dbl lynch? I see mandalor is the prime suspect, and there are clues on rice, but are we really ready to vote both of them off today? The double lynch must be voted on today and activated tomorrow - it is pretty likely we will find another suspect in tomorrow's day post. | ||
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On March 22 2009 06:56 Versatile wrote: oh wait, nvm. I see that the dbl lynch would be for Day 3, not today's voting. ##I vote for a dbl lynch. might want to spell out double in case the counter looks for that. | ||
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I Propose that this mafia is JeeJee http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=JeeJee there is jeejee’s profile. We see his profile lists what you need to do to be a top athlete, which explains why he could jump on the chairs repeatedly without falling. It also states that not to fear the person but their skill and ability, This explains why he was armed heavily, Qatol is a top notch mafia player, which means you would need a lot to take him down, so he armed himself accordingly. Lastly, the way he knifed qatols hand matches another part of the clue. He was rocking the knife back in forth in his hand, much like someone trying to lodge a shovel into a hard part in the ground you rock it back and forth to make a spot to get a good grip. He has that he is a dig power user in his profile." Rice's profile picture is of the gravediggaz so I think it kind of has to be Rice or JeeJee at this point. Love your analysis of Kennigit (who has laid low all game), and Humbug. Mafia does seem kind of dumb but remember Ver's post against him came (I'm pretty sure) after night had already gone 24 hours so mafia probably had sent in their hits by then (can they change them with a later pm?) Scaramanga might have been seen as the best player not on Ace's protection list or maybe Scaramanga was successful in faking being a vigi. | ||
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On March 22 2009 08:29 Ace wrote: Oh and I like the connection to Humbug better than anything else. ## I vote to lynch Humbug ## I vote for double lynch Why do you distrust semioldguy? | ||
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On March 22 2009 09:17 Ace wrote: huh? I don't understand how this means I distrust him. I just like the fact that Humbug being inactive is a better option for today's lynch. Lol better than someone claiming DT and role checking this guy and saying he comes up red? I'm not sure I trust semioldguy and this is why I ask you for help on whether I should since I know you're a good player. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + A few things.... (1) I am confident Mandalor is mafia because I am a Detective and I checked that shit out. He is also not the Godfather (unless he chose to appear as Mafia which seems very unlikely). (2) Technically I am not 100% that he is Mafia, but I am 100% sure that he looks red to me. There are 3 Millers still, and 8 non-Godfather mafia members remaining. So statistically it's an 8 out of 11 or a 72.727% chance that he is Mafia, with the other portion being that he is a Miller. (3) I know Detectives are not supposed to use a role check on day one. So before someone brings that up let me explain. + Show Spoiler [explanation] + When i read the rules the first time I do remember reading that the only Night One abilities could be Medics and Clue checks. When I went back to re-read the rules, I didn't see that clause and assumed that the Day One rule for Detectives must have been from another game that I read, had previously played in or am currently playing in. So I PM'ed Chuiu asking, and since he didn't come up with all these rules himself he too forgot that clause. We noticed the mistake shortly after, but knowledge can't be undone. So we modified my ability to compensate some for the error. I won't get a role check tonight, and for all purposes the game will pretend that I used my role check tonight instead. So I won't be able to consecutively role check on nights three and four, since I would have used this one tonight and that would be impossible. Tonight I get a clue check from Day One Clues. In my opinion our mistake actually weakens my abilities over the first couple days. I was ready to go for Mandalor before I role checked him, so if I was unable to do that it is likely I would have gone for him anyway and it seems likely that he could have been lynched today regardless of any additional info (of course I could just say this and there is no proof of that here, though there are a few others that were fully aware of my suspicions toward him). So basically my first two Nights of abilities are both based off of Day One information alone, whereas I would have had an additional Day of information for my Role-check and now I only get one role check over the next three Days. Chuiu should not confirm whether this is true or not in my opinion, because if he confirms it to be true or false it would basically 100% confirm my innocence/guilt. He is a moderator (or outsider) and should not be making posts to influence the game in a way that 100% determines a player's role. Choose for yourselves whether you believe my story or if you think it's fabricated. I knew someone would inquire about it though so I thought I should include it here. I think that covers everything, but if I missed something ask and I'll let you know. (4) Another Detective Role-Claimed to me during the night. Though I personally think this was very unwise for obvious reasons, he told me that the shockwave clue did not point to Pika Chu. This does not necessarily confirm his innocence. There was the whole other segment that was looked at that could have been a clue for Pika Chu. The Detective might not be a Detective at all and if Pika Chu is ever lynched or evidence is proved on him later in the game that "Detective" could potentially be another caught Mafia member. At that point it would be likely that I reveal that player, obviously I won't reveal him now though, but will continue to act as his mouth. (5) I feel it is relatively safe for me to role claim at this point. There are two Bodyguards still left which will keep the Mafia from being able to get me. I can now use my Detective abilities at the town's requests if I deem them to be the best intentions and uses of the ability. It doesn't really benefit the Mafia to know what my role is a whole lot; I think it benefits the town much more as it gives the town a whole lot more information and knowledge which the Mafia won't necessarily benefit from. Also when the Bodyguards do all expire, Mafia would likely choose me as a target at that point anyway to get rid of the Mayor regardless of whether or not I had a role. (6) Bodyguards it is imperative that you keep yourselves secret, even and especially from me (and BC) | ||
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On March 22 2009 10:17 Caller wrote: The guy is described as being dressed in black, armed to the teeth, and is agile enough to jump from seat to seat. Sounds like a ninja to me. And meh, I guess it isn't Mandalor. However, the clue still points quite strongly at Chaoser, whom has also been unusually "inactive." Yeah I guess that could be a ninja. | ||
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On March 22 2009 15:02 Fishball wrote: So we already have enough votes for double lynch. I assume we could cast our 2nd lynch in now? Mandalor is pretty much dead no matter what, so I'll just leave my first vote at Rice. I vote my second lynch vote on Humbug edit: typo We don't vote on who it is till Day 3. | ||
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On March 22 2009 15:18 Fishball wrote: No such rule. @Bockit: Cool thanks, I guess I'll leave it up there for now, since I don't want to edit too much. Well I guess if you want to add to the pages Chuiu has to look through. | ||
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On March 22 2009 17:55 JL13 wrote: Okay, finally got down to reading everything (page 40 until now, page 51) First off: BC incarcerating Ace means that BC and Ace are mostly likely not mafia together. Why would he incarcerate a fellow mafia when Vigilante's can't act night 1? Mafia have no fear of being killed during Night 1. This leaves these possibilities: BC is town, thinks Ace will be hit, thus protects Ace for the night. BC is mafia, thinks Ace is a power role, thus denying Ace's powers for the night. BC claims he was just following the Zodiac Brave list, but there's a chance BC has other motives. Night 1 killings = bad. First off, you have BG+Vigi dying. Since vigi's can't act night 1, Ver's hit was not used. I'd like to think our sheriff/mayor played no part in Qatol's death T_T. Other business. Some more suspect posting behavior. ahswtini. Page18 is a random vote for BC with not much justification. Page40 is talking about waiting for morning to come and re-reading everything, just a bunch of randomness. Phrujbaz. Page 39 is him bringing up the vigi discussion all over again, mentioning also that he "doesn't want to beat a dead horse." Why post such a huge reply then? Then while the entire town is voting for either Rice/Mandalor/etc, he puts up a vote for Lucktar? I'm a little confused. ##I vote to lynch mandalor ##I vote for a double lynch Here's my reasoning: Mandalor flips Miller. SoG is prob DT or at least in contact with a DT. Mandalor flips Mafia. SoG is not as likely if Mandalor flipped Miller instead. Because this can be a ploy for SoG to gain more trust. But then again, mafia loses 1 KP, so it's a good enough benefit to the town regardless what color Mandalor flips. Mandalor flips blue. Well, I won't even consider this case. But that would most likely mean SoG is mafia or he got totally played by a mafia faking DT. Malongo has a pretty nice post, Page45 full of bolded potential clues and such. Pyrr has an insightful clue to infundibulum Page50. There is plenty of clue analysis so SoG/claimed DT/hidden DT should split up clue checks/role checks. Well, not SoG since he can only clue check day 1. I would suggest SoG to checking "Whatever that could be found, was lost." I feel that was the biggest clue that sprang up. For everyone in general, Day 1 Clue analysis was recapped by Bockit Page37. Thoughts? I will post my own clue analysis at some point, too. yeah ahswtini and phrujbaz are weird as hell i dunno what they are doing i dont think they do either you have to call incarcerations a day in advance - so no one was incarcerated day 1 and today and tonight Ace is is my understanding so ace / bc could be fearing vigi hits | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Ooookay I finished reading all pages. Semioldguy sounds fishy and MrBabyhand's only plan seems to be to lynch mafia (good idea lol). The only players who seem to have reasonable ideas are Pyrrhuloxia and BloodyC0bbler. MrBabyhand's idea is based fully on behavioural analysis which is fine to a certain extent, but obviously he trusts that too much. People on tl.net are not sheep. I was killed because of this when I was innocent in Ace's game while I heavily contributed for the town in Chuiu's (I think it was) 3rd game when I was mafia. While behavioural analysis might be right in like 70% of all cases, saying stuff like On March 18 2009 05:47 MrBabyHands wrote: Which tells us that: quatol caller bw semioldguy pyrr bloddycobbler are all very likely innocent. is over the top. You take it as fact that mafia is stupid and that is naive. There have always been mafia players who actively contributed in town's favour and I doubt this game will be any different. That's why I vote for Pyrrhuloxia. Unless MrBabyHands orchestrated this public shitstorm between Mandalor and himself (and if any player has the requisite combination of balls and skills to organize something like that, it is MBH) it seems like Pika Chu is innocent and mandalor voted for me because I looked like a shitty player at that point (and I probably am at this point ). I wouldn't be surprised if most of the mafia either didn't vote for voted for me. So far we have 2 mafia. One didn't vote, one voted for me. At page 16, Semioldguy and I are tied at 4 votes a piece, BC has 7 votes. Caller has malongo only, and then Caller drops out of the race. By page 20, BC and Semioldguy are tied at 10 votes a piece and I've only picked up malongo. Then motbob votes for me saying: "I vote Pyrrhuloxia because I think semioldguy is mafia. Something about his posts don't sit right with me... I'm probably wrong. Last edit: 2009-03-18 13:19:29" Would be interesting to know what that edit was. Wait, wtf. motbob's vote never got counted by Chuiu even though it was bolded so semioldguy and I should have been tied at 13 votes. Tiebreaker is first to 13 in that instance I think (or at least it was like that in Ace's Game) so it doesn't matter (unless there were other missed votes... eesh...). In any case, thank God I didn't win because semioldguy needs the protection way more than me especially because he's a DT and I've already learned a lot more about how to play this game since I started running that I should have figured out before running. Every game I take a day 1 clue and try to pin the tail on some poor asshole. Not going to do that next game lol. <3 u Pika Chu! It may come back to help the town anyway because I've learned from it and my candidacy was a good stimulus for behavior to be analyzed I feel. BC and semioldguy were tied at 12-12 when mandalor voted for me. It seems to me that BC or semioldguy were mafia then mandalor would have wanted to try to push the mafia candidate toward first place. But instead, mandalor starts a string of vote posts for me with weird reasoning. Mandalor gives a big F.U. to MrBabyHands and his list (maybe because he knew it was right and wanted desperately to discredit it and this apparently damn skilled behavior analyzer?) and says that is why he voting for me. What? Vote Pyrrhuloxia because MBH is wrong? He also says "Semioldguy sounds fishy" and, just like motbob a few posts back, leaves no reason why. He also says "The only players who seem to have reasonable ideas are Pyrrhuloxia and BloodyC0bbler" and votes for me presumably because BC is winning and I would be the closest person to knocking semioldguy out. This actually makes me a bit suspicious of BC. I could see the mafia motivation for voting for me - I'm going all out to get Pika Chu who is likely not red (especially given mandalor's vote for me), making me look like a shitty player who's going to send the town on wild goose chases (probably would've been true, too). Why would a mafia have a motivation to compliment BC and slander semioldguy? I suppose the mafia could have been planting misdirections at this early time, conscious of what election time comments might look like after death but I don't think mandalor has been playing that level this game. After being accused he basically said "well i wasn't lying about contributing in previous games but everything else im just not going to argue with". Maybe he was being coached at this point and I know MTF gave us loose guidance about what to do in the thread during election time in Ace's Mafia World but I don't think this post was coached or made with an eye for future repercussions. I just took a second to think about how hard it would be to play that many steps ahead and it seems like it would take a brilliant strategist on the level of Boxer to endure and I'm glad im not mafia this game lol though this thought experiment has given me some ideas on how to play next time I roll red. Maybe there's another reason for a mafia to support BC like he was proposing some move that would have helped them like I was with Pika Chu. I guess if semioldguy and mbh were mafia they would be smart enough that I could see them telling mafia to diss them in the elections and praise the other candidates... I'm certainly not very much more suspicious of BC over this but it is perplexing to figure out. Anyway, after mandalor voted for me Naib voted for me a few minutes later in a plain vote post. My next vote came from bumatlarge: + Show Spoiler + I vote for Pyrrahuloxia for mayor/sheriff those clues seem solid enough for him to be mafia yet vague enough to be genuine first day clues. Though the grabbing guns part was a little meh, I think i could be possible with the others. Then monoxide quickly follows with a plain vote post. right after that BWDero changes his vote from BC (i think) to me, saying: + Show Spoiler + I change my vote to Pyrrhuloxia. Outstanding clue analysis, you have me convinced. That sort of stuff is what I'm looking for in a sherrif/mayor. Then BC posts a few seconds later asking why the hell people are voting based on day 1 clue analysis. My next vote comes from ilovektf + Show Spoiler + I vote for Pyrrhuloxia as Mayor! I agree with the pikachu part wholeheartedly. :D Last edit: 2009-03-19 10:13:38 Wonder what that edit was about, maybe just vote formatting. Next vote from CompX, also edited + Show Spoiler + when do the vote ends? I vote for Pyrrhuloxia and agree what he said so far Last edit: 2009-03-19 10:53:06 Conclusion: Well I don't know what I can really get out of these but here is my feeling that I can't really back up with all the evidence at this point: Some townies liked my analysis and probably every non mafia that voted for me did so because of it. All the mafia probably liked it and some voted for me. Laxercannon probably voted for me because I'm pretty sure we worked together in Ace's Mafia Game. I'm a bit suspicious of BC - I get the feeling some other people are as well but I certainly see no clues pointing towards him. I think some saw me as a day 1 green/blue lynch of Pika Chu and voted for me without thinking any farther ahead than that. | ||
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I've been trying to figure out what mafia might be in charge of the explosives work done in the two day posts. Nothing amazing yet but here's what I've got: Laxercannon: Cannons involve explosions. That's Grade A clue analysis right there, I know. Maybe I should attach a youtube to prove that point, the peanut gallery is probably saying. Well, at least I'm trying. But try this: His profile pic is a Ford Escape. The demolitions expert mafia oversaw Incognito barely escaping his shockwave and also oversaw Scaramanga trying to escape him. Notice that a lot of the other mafia had their opponents end up trying to fight them off but twice this mafia's victims have tried to escape rather than fight. It should be said that Qatol tried to run before struggling with his foe, but Ver, Chuiu and Camilto actively fought their mafia killers. Meh, still pretty mediocre especially given the roughly equally plausible case for... fusionsdf: fusion is a reaction that can be involved in nuclear explosions (although fission is more prominent in that) There's also this from his profile: + Show Spoiler + In school, I was the kid who sat in the back of the class and hid behind his book, the one you felt bad for, but not bad enough to do something. People always told me, "Jack, you need to smile more." Perhaps I was a bit on the sulky side, but was it any of their business whether I smiled or not? Well one day, these kids invite me to a party. Of course, I'm ecstatic. Well, being my first time at a party, it's my first time drinking. Long story short... I pass out. And wake up in the emergency room. My face is burning, and it turns out that they really did just want to see me smile. One of those ass holes decided to draw on my face with a permanent marker, and I had a pretty severe allergy to some of the things in those markers. But now, at least nobody has to remind me to smile. That reads like something the Joker might have said in the Dark Knight and he used a lot of remotely controlled explosives and he blew up a fair amount of buildings. In terms of behavior I'd be surprised if fusionsdf was mafia. Maybe I'm biased because I'd feel like a total tool if he turned red because I didn't start running for mayor until he voted for me. So if he's red I'd be some sort of Manchurian Candidate, picked by powers outside of my knowledge to run and be controlled for nefarious purposes. It's 1 AM and I don't want to sift through all 65 profiles again but there's another player whose profile has a bunch of stuff that includes a quote about the US in WWII turtling and teching to nukes with some drop harass. Seems less likely than these other two but maybe there's something else in that profile that lines up with other traits of the explosives-expert mafia. EDIT: I fixed a confusing wording and a spelling mistake. | ||
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On March 23 2009 17:13 Centric wrote: Wow great job guys. I've been inactive cause I don't have internet at home (I'm home for spring break), but damn you guys have been doing well. whoa crazy i thought i had gone through every profile but I guess I missed yours | ||
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aZnvaLiaNce is really suspicious. I went through all the profiles with the Day 2 clues in mind and found nothing that really caught my attention except Rice's, which redtooth explained pretty well. But, I found something that matched up pretty damn well to something in Day 1 (a lot better than Pika Chu, lol): From Day 1: "Over at City Hall Incognito just realized something the mafia might have missed. He began sifting through the rubble thinking he could score something to help catch the mafia. What he didn't know was one stayed back to make sure he was dead. He was shoved forward while hunched over pulling some concrete away and smashed his head into a large chunk of debris. He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost. With one shot to the head Incognito's life was ended." From aZnvaLiaNce's profile: "How can there be any meaning in the memory of such a being? What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion." On Day 1, Incognito has a memory of something about the mafia - he isn't able to find it and it may have been an illusory memory planted to lure him back to the scene of the crime. "Whoever wins, the battle does not end. The loser is set free from the battlefield, while the winner must remain there. And the survivor will live out his life as the warrior until the day he dies." The battlefield of Day 1 is City Hall, which is destroyed in a victory for the mafia. Incognito is a loser in that he failed to prevent this, yet he escapes to freedom from City Hall while one victorious mafia stays behind. Incognito is then lured back by a fruitless memory and killed by the warrior that stayed. Looking back, this seems like the most clue-worthy passage; several players commented on this. Some people thought maybe it tied to lurker (which I thought might be true). I'm sure whichever mafia was tied to this passage would want to take a real low profile. So, what has aZnvaLiaNce's activity looked like so far this game: After the day post on page 7, aZnvaLiaNce's first post WASN'T UNTIL PAGE 42. And did he apologize for being so inactive or give some kind of excuse? No, he used his first post to try to link someone to a clue. (Contrast with Centric who's first post is on page 53). This correlates with someone who is lurking the forums without contributing because they don't have an incentive to do so. They are up to date on everything that has happened between page 7 and page 43 and therefore tend not to notice it has been a long time since they've posted. Also of note: aZnvaLiaNce did not vote and did not post after the day post despite posting multiple times before the day post (behavior matching RebirthofLegend's). He didn't post even after candidates said they would kill inactives, just like rebirthoflegend (though the election may have ended before he may have seen this, don't forget that rebirthoflegend was shown to have done some posts on the site elsewhere while being inactive in the game). Here's aZnvaLiaNce's first post of the game: "Hmmm......clues in Camlito's death.....the white flower, torn ticket stubs, popcorn and it even said he picked them up as trash off the floor. This sounds like a bum or hobo....either it's too obvious as a clue or I'm on to something" It seems pretty clear he's trying to implicate bumatlarge - why doesn't he just say it? It's like he's trying to lead the town a certain way but wants someone else to be the first to mention bumatlarge by name so the accusation doesn't get traced back to him. Why would a bum collect ticket stubs or flowers anyway? I could see food but it doesn't seem as obvious or as likely as his wording is geared to try to make it seem. This mafia is a theater worker so it makes sense that ticket stubs and popcorn would be in his pocket. It is the dried up white flower that sticks out, IMO. Why is it white? Dried? There are several profiles referencing flowers. From Zapling's profile: "Don't believe the florist when he tells you that the roses are free" From dreamflower's profile: http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/41975.jpg (He pre-emptively thanked everyone for not bringing up this picture since his flower is blue, apparently missing the white flowers behind the blue one) From Phrujbaz's post: http://www.teamliquid.net/userfiles/40422.jpg Also could be a packrat or cleaning / trash / janitor reference although all I came up with for that is someone with a mice and men reference which is nowhere near packrat. MrBabyHands gave the same bum idea a post or two later and I'm not too suspicious of him so maybe it's not that weird. After holding out on accusing aZnvaLiaNce I watched the rest of his Day 2 activity carefully: He goes with the bandwagon here, and then defends Rice: "##I vote to lynch Mandalor ##I vote to use Double Lynch for tomorrow I have this very very odd feeling that Rice will turn out blue....." Kinda sounds like the odd feeling Mandalor had that semioldguy was mafia. Also weird that he would make these posts that make no apparent contribution - Rice is blue - no idea why! - This is pointing to a bum but no idea who that could be. I make vague statements like these when I have gut feelings or complicated feelings I can't quite explain without barreling into yet another War and Peace-length post but they don't make up all 100% of my stated thoughts. I sent a pm to semioldguy asking to check it out and he responded: + Show Spoiler + Semioldguy: I can only ask if a clue is one sentence or less... so I'd imagine that anything that is a clue wouldn't be something like an extended metaphor type of clue. ----------------------------------------- Original Message from Pyrrhuloxia: From Day 1: "Over at City Hall Incognito just realized something the mafia might have missed. He began sifting through the rubble thinking he could score something to help catch the mafia. What he didn't know was one stayed back to make sure he was dead. He was shoved forward while hunched over pulling some concrete away and smashed his head into a large chunk of debris. He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost. With one shot to the head Incognito's life was ended." From aZnvaLiaNce's profile: "How can there be any meaning in the memory of such a being? What I have shown you is reality. What you remember, that is the illusion." "Whoever wins, the battle does not end. The loser is set free from the battlefield, while the winner must remain there. And the survivor will live out his life as the warrior until the day he dies." What do you think about using a Day 1 clue check on that? I responded with this and he's ignored me since (this was more than 24 hours ago). Maybe he's backlogged with IMs, though he responded quickly to the first one and has posted a bunch since my second one. Or maybe he's mafia. Most likely he thinks its a shitty idea. I definitely think there are better ideas to check now but this was the best I had when he asked for ideas right after claiming DT. + Show Spoiler + You could ask: does "one stayed back" point to aznvaliance? That limitation is probably to keep people from highlighting the whole day post and asking "does it point to so-and-so" to get an extra role check. | ||
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"Untrustworthy person who steals things from his friends. He's a real rhaegar who steals his friends things." Dunno that I see that popping up anywhere but thought I'd throw it out. | ||
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On March 24 2009 04:38 redtooth wrote: I've been out for a while but I'm glad to come back to good news. Now that mandalor's flipped red (and mafia KP is lowered) I say we should go ahead and cluecheck Rice. Rolecheck priorities should go to Ace and BC. Also, Ace is protected tonight because of Incarceration right? To Chuiu and special role players (including mafia): Let's hurry up and get the next morning up. To Medics: I trust that you guys will make the right decisions To fusiondf: Are you going to actively maintain that blog? You should put it on your profile or something because its drowned among the billion other blogs in TL. You can't role check BC. | ||
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On March 24 2009 05:43 dreamflower wrote: Agreed, though I would feel a lot better if a DT could possibly clue-check one of these two. With a double lynch coming up, I really doubt we need to add a vigi hit into the mix, especially as our evidence seems shaky at best right now. Semioldguy, if you still haven't decided which Day One clues to check, it would be great if you could check things like the guy who pulls Chuiu to his feet only to stab him, the one who disarms him with both hands behind his head, or the third guy staying in the car. And by the way... First of all, I'm a girl. Second, the flowers behind the blue rose in my picture are indeed white (and I'm surprised it took people that long to notice the picture at all, even with my preemptive thanking), but they are not dried either, which should make it a moot point. Just wanted to mention that.Edit: Grrr, quote tags. I should learn to use the "Preview" button before I post. Sorry | ||
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On March 24 2009 07:46 semioldguy wrote: This would also be completely ridiculous for me to fabricate (I have no idea how it could successfully be pulled off). Reason being that if there are any Detectives out there thinking to themselves "Hey, I don't fit descriptions #2 or # 3" Then at minimum we have caught at least one Mafia. Yeah #2 and #3 may not exist and this could be used to out all 3 DTs into role claiming to you if they are afraid to post in the thread. I kinda trust you at this point but if I was a DT I dunno if I would fully trust you. | ||
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On March 24 2009 08:10 semioldguy wrote: Obviously the worst case scenario here is that if I am guilty, as it could potentially screw over ALL of the town's DT's. I still think that if there are DT's out there that they should NOT Role claim to me yet regardless. It should become apparent whether this is all true or not before very long. How does it become apparent without DTs outing themselves to you or publicly? | ||
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On March 24 2009 09:00 Bockit wrote: I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts. It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective. I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet. As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player. SoG doesn't even have to be godfather because all he can be rolechecked to is Mayor. | ||
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On March 24 2009 09:36 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: I'd like to hear BC explain what he's going to do with the jail tomorrow. I guess maybe he shouldn't tell us for whatever reason but if so he could explain that. | ||
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On March 24 2009 09:40 fusionsdf wrote: If he tells us, then mafia just won't target that person. If he gives us hints, then it just makes it easier for mafia too. I think we just have to trust him That doesn't make sense, I thought he sends it in one night, and then that person is incarcerated the next day and night. So the incarcerated person wouldn't be invulnerable that night but the mafia instead might target that person before they could be incarcerated. | ||
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The only other thing I could see for this is Teejing. For some reason that guy is suspicious to me and so I looked for clues for him and he's got nothing in his profile. I know it's not really the right way to go about it (person -> clue) but I tried to think of what a clue might look like for each of the people with no profiles and only names and for Teejing, all I can find about his name is that it seems to be Malaysian. So maybe the other weird shit that he couldn't make out in the biker's tattoos was something in an east asian language like Malay since they tend to be common tattoo subjects of the type that are harder to make out. Edit: Malaysian is not a language, Malay is. | ||
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On March 24 2009 10:08 Ace wrote: I've been watching the game. Honestly I don't really need to do much right now, the town seems to be doing okay Oh ho ho. A free rider eh? | ||
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"Here is the definition of Humbug 1. Something intended to deceive; a hoax or fraud. 2. A person who claims to be other than what he or she is; an impostor. 3. Nonsense; rubbish. 4. Pretense; deception." Rubbish = what was in his pocket | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Scara’s killer taunted him, and let him run to a door, open it wide and die. I currently believe that this mafia is the one and only Kennigit. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Kennigit kennigits profile. In it his quote is that he loves catching people in the act, that’s why he whips doors open. In this case he caught scara in the act of fleeing for his life, by having a door whipped wide open and being blown to pieces. As for the taunting, that image has LOL typed over and over before a an annoying image of an asian kid waving and winking. Which could be a taunt. Kennigit and MoC are both blue names that haven't contributed much to the town this game even though they are pretty smart peeps... I think with so many good leads maybe we should go after the best players first as long as they aren't doing anything for the town? | ||
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Sounds like Versatile was killed by a vigi due to this: "He was suspected by his assailants to be a danger." "three men across the street walking towards him" This possible clue comes after tricode dies. Maybe there are multiple mafia members linked to 3? Like 3 Lions perhaps? Lot of arrows flying around, all that comes to mind now is blue_arrow. Seems a little too obvious but blue_arrow has no profile or signature or anything but the name. "lights from some nearby houses flashed on" Sounds like a clue to me... gonna keep that one in mind as I move through the profiles again "a loud crack came from the sky" , "cloud whizzing by" This one brings TranceStorm to mind who I've thought has been behaving a bit suspiciously. We've already seen a clue that might have been trance related (the puzzled look as Chuiu accepts his enemy's hand, for instance). "several feathers fall out of the mans pockets" probably the closest thing to clue that could be pointing to me that I've seen at this point (Pyrrhuloxia is a species of bird) But more importantly, here we have another pocket clue... Also, the pocket contains a quill pen (made from feathers) and feathers. Maybe a clue relating to processing or craft working or taking raw materials and turning them into something more useful? "the rocks weren't very effective" maybe this mafia is a ground type, steel type or fighting type pokemon? lol "magnet which was pointed directly at the phone and was screwing with the hard drive" Magnet seems awful weird to not be a clue. "a trident" another weird weapon to keep in mind | ||
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On March 24 2009 13:32 semioldguy wrote: seems suspicious in conjunction with Day One. Yeah reminds me lurker at first glance | ||
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On March 24 2009 13:31 Caller wrote: Three=#3 on the list? Hmm... could be... If BC is GF i think the GF usually gets harder yet more recurrent clues such as this | ||
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On March 24 2009 13:45 JeeJee wrote: on the other hand, i don't think chuiu has ever done clues with respect to number placement in the actual player list... you'd see a whole lot of blood and a lot more clubswinging rather than the number 3 if you wanted to point to cobs imo Well we had a baseball bat swinging this go round | ||
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On March 24 2009 13:48 CompX wrote: keep in mind that JL13, iNfuNdiBuLuM, mikeymoo and Pika Chu all got hit in the chest whoa crazy EDIT (to add this to a pretty much useless post and avoid my 76th double post of the thread): I would have thought iNfuNdiBuLuM due to the chest part... but he's dead obviously If a bunch of people got hit in the throat i might think Caller (Collar) Gonna keep this in mind too | ||
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On the cloud clue: Zapling's aim is Nimbalisto Nimbo is spanish for Nimbus Listo is spanish for clever Zapling also came up in conjunction with the dried flower due to this clue: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=ZaplinG Also on the cloud / storm clue: Monoxide has what looks like a HT calling down a storm Also on the dried flower clue: First result for googling Zeks is "Manufacturer of Refrigerated dryers, dessicant dryers, air line filters and other related equipment." On the tattoo clue: Snakes and crosses - I thought it was maybe something about the letter S and lowercase ts but maybe it could be something about Saint Patrick / Irish person probably not tho On the explosives user: Jyvblamo blamo? like an explosion? eh Icysoul's profile: "Stop telling new recruits that mines are full of Candy!" Raxor2's profile: ""Nuclear Launch Detected" - South Korea on hearing that SC2 sucks." On arrows: blue_arrow's gotta come up I could see chuiu doing this on Day 3 due to his lack of a profile On the quill: 0cz3c's profile: "Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!" Anyone want to translate that? sounds like latin or some old language written with a quill (obviously this is weak as hell) LucasWoJ's: "Lasciat ogni speranza, voi che intrante." | ||
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On March 24 2009 13:21 semioldguy wrote: Well... although the Medics didn't stop anyone this night... we did get a successful Vigi hit though. We have a double lynch today, let's make the most of it. Detective #3 has role-checked on Scooter and told me that he checkout out as Mafia! I say that is most assuredly one of our two lynches. Additionally the clue I checked for day one came back with no results. For reference I checked was: What does no results mean? You checked if it was a clue and it wasn't? Or Chuiu didn't return your PM? | ||
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On March 24 2009 14:44 semioldguy wrote: I checked if it was a clue and it wasn't. Guess that's one less strike against MrBabyHands and TranceStorm | ||
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"I put my vote with Cob. Don't douche this first game up for me man, or I'll go to Canada and hunt you down." Also note I'm pretty sure this is the guy that said he relied on IMs from BloodyCobbler to keep up with the game. They don't sound like IRL friends given Tricode's Canada comment so I wonder why he's trusting BC so much. I also think he said that BC would stick up for him if anyone criticized him for being inactive. | ||
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"I agree with Cob. I think it is to early on to be picking people with such little evidence. At least cob is actually analyzing and being realistic about things, while MrBabyhands is just picking out who ever he wants to be the first victim. Same goes with Pyrrhuoxia. BC is the only one keeping his head straight about this and isn't going to take some poorly given evidence such as someone finally randomly posting, or some clues that are looked way to far into." Tricode says BC is good and MBH and Pyrrhuloxia are bad. Mandalor says BC and Pyrrhuloxia are good, semioldguy and MBH are bad. Another post by Tricode: "Hey, isn't night suppose to be over by now? I would ask cob normally but he said something about not being online today much. Does anyone know when morning is suppose to happen? I'm kinda confused." Malongo posted this: "-The three number. At first this made me think of 3 lions, but theres one more person: [r]tricode[/r], wich is quite more suspicious since his profile is empty (thus forcing the three reference). I havent read too much from him, but he voted BC and came up with this post On March 21 2009 08:16 Tricode wrote: Hey, isn't night suppose to be over by now? I would ask cob normally but he said something about not being online today much. Does anyone know when morning is suppose to happen? I'm kinda confused. this guy looks QUITE suspicious to me, im 80% sure hes mafia." Malongo looks pretty good for this post in my book. Tricode voted to kill fellow mafia Mandalor (note that Mandalor was as good as dead that this point): "I am going to go with SOG's information since it holds merit. Unless someone can prove Mandalor is a miller or convince me otherwise. I vote for Mandalor." + Show Spoiler + "I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob. Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused. I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me. If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior. But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that." Pretty weird post. If BC is mafia would Tricode really be a bad enough noob to post something like this? Maybe another mafia coached him to say this to make BC look bad? Though BC would have probably said something if the conversations didn't happen. BC better cough up some details about these conversations or he's gonna be lighting up as red as Rudolph. Another tricode post, reponding to my post saying we still can't trust semioldguy 100% / send him roles: + Show Spoiler + Uhm, I might be going out of a limb here, if he could be mafia, why would he get two of his mafia members killed? Sounds kinda unreasonable not to trust him =\. Malongo, why rolecheck babyhands or any of those others? I think I am understanding the game better and if i understand it right, your asking for SoG to waste a rolecheck(s)? Also i posted my reasons of why i asked on page 47. I think you are kinda making a lot of demands already and I would prefer you giving more evidence. Look at BC's analysis can you give something more like that. All you have given is some words you spotted and looking any way to accuse someone. Some more of his posts for easy reference: + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2009 14:40 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Ehh well do what you want with semioldguy I am actually very convinced that he is not mafia for yet another reason after my new analysis of the election, which I will post shortly. Then why did you just tell us not to trust him? + Show Spoiler + On March 23 2009 14:56 malongo wrote: Hide nested quote - On March 23 2009 14:35 Tricode wrote: Malongo, why rolecheck babyhands or any of those others? I think I am understanding the game better and if i understand it right, your asking for SoG to waste a rolecheck(s)? Also i posted my reasons of why i asked on page 47. I think you are kinda making a lot of demands already and I would prefer you giving more evidence. Look at BC's analysis can you give something more like that. All you have given is some words you spotted and looking any way to accuse someone. Actually i remade my statement and didnt call for the rolecheck on Mrbabyhands. Maybe you are understanding the game better (LOL) but remember that not all dts can rolecheck now because rolechecks cant be consecutive. Im not making a demand (how could i demand somehing?) im proposing clues to the dts to use the cluechecks (they have to use them) so im guessing you dont understand the game better . And for my "random words" maybe you can give us more to work? have you proposed something? and for the last just remember how "sharp" conducted to ra.xor last game, my clue proposal may look simple yet they are all possible. A last note to motbob: If you are inocent why do you fear a cluecheck? im missing something? if someone made a call for a cluecheck like that for me id try to suggest a better target instead of your answer. I also noted that your vote came in quite late when the lynch was decided. Again you and tricode posts dont add much but rather look like mafia. I said 'and others', you changed it from babyhands to some others. You don't have to be a jerk about me still not understanding the game (by loling me), instead of actually trying to help me understand the game better to be more helpful, you do the opposite. To add, I am still trying to learn the game and how clues work. I don't know what kinda work you want me to put in since everyone else has a better understanding in what to look for. Sorry about my choice of word about demand though, but you still are making requests with out any reason and I just want to understand why. Also you can't ask me to remember something i was never there for. Though I would appreciate if you can tell me the pages (links) if you think it will help me be more useful to the game. Lastly what do you mean my posts don't add much? If anything I am just more confused. On March 24 2009 10:06 MrBabyHands wrote: Based on the last day's clues (and behavior for some) I have 5 top mafia suspects. Just in case i dont survive the night, let me show you thems. I present, MrBabyHands's Furious Five: tricode : malongo noticed the repeating theme of "3" in the clues. tricode also made a suspicious post (that malongo also noticed). but his response to the idea that he might be a suspect is what convinced me... see below I asked tricode what he thought about malongo bringing up his name as a suspect. this was his response: Show nested quote + On March 22 2009 03:25 Tricode wrote: I don't know what to say really. I was just being honest about everything. I don't post because I would just read and go on AIM and talk to cob. Since I haven't been able to talk to him for the last two days. I was hoping you guys would help me. I didn't know when to vote until i saw others voting. I knew there was a clue in the morning and I am enjoying the game. Plus everyone said morning should be coming soon or something to that extent and it seemed like it was taking to long. So i was honestly confused. I am not certain about the clues to much. I don't want to ruin my first game and have people getting mad at me for pointing fingers at people who are innocent and get them killed though I doubt people would listen to me. If this helps in my defense, Cob knows I am new at this game and can vouch for my claims about being new and my behavior. But I will admit you are kinda half right about me posting it so I don't look inactive (mind you I still posted cause I wanted answers and help). I want my first game to be as fun as I can make it. I am having fun reading what you guys are saying. I do wish I can help more, but until I learn this game a bit better and understand how the clues are presented, I don't want to be completely inactive where I get blamed like this, but I don't know how I can contribute. I'm sorry about that. the ol "puppy dog eyes" technique "i'm new" "i was hoping someone could help me" "its my first time, i just want to have fun" "i dont want people to be mad at me" this could verywell be his first time. but that doesnt mean he's not red. i think he presented too many explanations and they were all around a common theme (first timer, new to the game, dont wanna mess up, etc). People do this when they have something to hide. I feel like most innocent new players are more likely to downplay their inexperience so as not to appear as a burden. Tricode did the opposite. I also feel like he's overcompensating for his inactivity, again posting lots of extraneous information (who is cob anyway) and appealing to our emotions he offers a humble apology at the end. His only defense was "i'm new. sorry about that." And he didnt address the clues at all, even tho they were a main part in his suspicion. if i wasnt sure he was mafia before, i am certainly more convinced now. (edited for a few typos) First, Cob is BloodyCobbler, the guy who told me to hop onto this game with the information "It's fun". You know the sheriff of the game. Second, the way i acted is how i am. But I do understand your suspension about me, it's very reasonable, but then again there is a suspicion of almost everyone being mafia and it would be difficult for many of us to prove our innocence. Third as far as my thoughts for the clues, I think malongo is just looking to deep into that word. What else could have chiuiu have used in some of those other cases? The number three wasn't used to reference any mafia but events in the second morning clues. Actually that number had nothing to do with any mafia member now that i looked at his thing again. Let's add there is also the number 1 and 2 also. So are you going to look for anyone with those numbers? Your cases against me is weak other then the percent chance that any of us can be mafia including you. I could make the claim that you two try very hard to pick other people but when some others get suspicious of you, you just ignore it and point fingers at others. EDITED: MrBabyHands What if i say I find that it is weird that after you fail the election you seem to disappear. After making accusations against people you seem to disappear for a bit again. People claim that most likely that a mafia member tried to run for the election and if i recall correctly you made the claim that everyone who was running was innocent (correct me if I am wrong) Those are my thoughts, but I want more evidence before making more claims. That's why I want to play it a bit safe and wait for more clues, because I am not going to run around pointing fingers at every little thing I think could be a clue, that's called a Red Scare tactic. It might work, but when you get it wrong, you will lynch a lot of innocents. 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On March 24 2009 17:18 Rice wrote: for further clarification thats an sc2 high templar, not a bloodmage but your point still stands right, it's an ht calling down a storm (cloud) | ||
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On March 25 2009 03:59 ahswtini wrote: A bit of clue analysis: Bockit's profile picture has something resembling a bullseye, though I'm much more convinced by LeperKhan's picture. Also, Has anyone analysed this yet? I really can't find anything, the closest being Phrujbaz. His picture is of a dandelion, which is sort of feathery. Pyrrhuloxia is a bird, those are sort of feathery lol I gave some more likely ideas a few pages back | ||
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On March 25 2009 04:16 Naib wrote: I doubt that clue would actually relate to the feathers. It's similar to the previous day's clue, it's just about someone who puts random junk in their pocket, which tends to fall out (because it's so full, maybe?) Worth looking for that, I guess - it's a recurring theme. I think you're right and I think chuiu puts red herrings in the pockets while the pocket is the recurring item and thus the real clue (the flower in the pocket last time brought up at least 3 profiles) | ||
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If this is a bird, then why aren't the things being thrown together into a dwelling place? They are being brought together into a pocket - sounds more like a kangaroo than anything. "Birds are described as glaring at things over looking." Wtf, I've never heard that about birds. Maybe birds like hawks and eagles but not Storks and Cardinals (Pyrrhuloxia is a Grey Cardinal). "As for the final crushing blow, one swift beak peck and its over." A beak peck would be a piercing blow, srsly wtf. If rocks are such fitting weapons to use against birds than why do we see that: "the rocks weren't very effective"? As for the bat it could be aluminum or what have you or it just as likely could be someone resourceful and good at cobbling random things together. "cob·ble 2 (kbl) tr.v. cob·bled, cob·bling, cob·bles 1. To make or mend (boots or shoes). 2. To put together clumsily; bungle: cobbled a plan together at the last minute. [Probably back-formation from cobbler.]" Perhaps this mafia is cobbling together shit at the last minute - why else would they have to procure a weapon at the scene of the fucking crime because they forgot one? What kind of clumsy mafia is constantly dropping clues out of their pockets? | ||
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On March 25 2009 05:37 blue_arrow wrote: hmm, everything except the baseball bat sounds reasonable. it sounds like you're trying too hard to connect everything to pyrrhuloxia, though.... besides, i don't think a little grey cardinal would be capable of picking up a person and flinging him around. i say the clues point towards a bigger bird, like a stork. additionally, quill pens are taken from the primary feathers of large birds who's an avid Stork fan or mentions Stork alot in their profile? ##I vote to lynch Scooter and LeperKahn Lol did you even read all of his post - I'm a huge Stork fan, it's in my sig. | ||
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On March 24 2009 13:45 JeeJee wrote: on the other hand, i don't think chuiu has ever done clues with respect to number placement in the actual player list... you'd see a whole lot of blood and a lot more clubswinging rather than the number 3 if you wanted to point to cobs imo Also I dunno what clubs swinging has to do with bloody cobbler but that could explain the bat thing if it is bc Still, I give credit to BC for making humbug less of a lock. think ill switch over to leperkhan because im pretty sure lucktar or leperkhan has that set of clues going towards them and leperkhan makes more sense and i dont think Chuiu would use the word "luck" (or lucky or whatever) to point to lucktar. #I change my vote from Scooter and Humbug to Scooter and Leperkhan Edit to add this in case Chuiu needs the format like this: I vote for Scooter I vote for Leperkhan | ||
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On March 25 2009 08:40 JeeJee wrote: soo i guess i'm the only one that thinks the recurring 3's are important? We all think it is important and it will certainly be looked at on Day 4 especially if it pops up again and we get reds today. | ||
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On March 25 2009 12:10 malongo wrote: 3 people-> aznvaliance You said 3 people linked to aznvaliance because a znv alliance but there is only one L I think it means Azn (asian) Valiance | ||
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On March 25 2009 12:34 ydg wrote: I think the important clue is that the things are falling out of his pockets, not necessarily the items, since the "pocket" phrase appeared twice. I forgot how he tied nemy to pockets though. #I vote to lynch Scooter #I vote to lynch Leperkhan I agree ydg. He linked nemy to pockets I think by what was in them. Nemy has a profile pick of him at a theme park which would fit with tickets and popcorn. Wait nvm I get it, he's on a ride and stuff could fall out of his pockets when he's on that kind of a ride with the freefall. Sorry malongo. | ||
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On March 25 2009 12:50 CompX wrote: time to wait for the night... I hope it comes quickly lol yeah i bet you're itchin to send your hits in | ||
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On March 26 2009 06:48 JeeJee wrote: hah this just got a lot more fun ohhhhhhh man Why? Because of bumatlarge's post? | ||
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On March 26 2009 12:36 JeeJee wrote: hah. good one *twiddle thumbs* i should be writing my end of term paper instead of procrastinating at teamliquid.. where'd that zenhabits.net link to beating procrastination go, i need it haha yeah I have two papers due in about 12 hours and I've only written half a page of one lol | ||
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On March 26 2009 13:34 nemY wrote: first Nice use of post #2000 | ||
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On March 26 2009 14:28 Bockit wrote: Who should we vigi tonight? It might be worth trying to beat the mafia kill list so they're knocked down to 3kp. the living vigis may both have used their kills by now | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + As for analysis. “Fear is the strongest driving force in competition. Not fear of one's opponent, but of the skill and high standard he represents; fear, too, of not acquitting oneself well. In the achievement of higher performances, of beating formidable rivals, the athlete defeats fear and conquers himself. -Franz Stampfl” That is part of jeejee’s profile. Now look at this “Just a block over Versatile was digging a hole in the ground looking for something. She was suspected by her assailants to be a danger. But her assailant wasn't wasting any time on her. From the shadows someone ran out towards her and gave her a few quick punches to the face. “ compare the similarities of the quote above. Fear is the strongest driving force, and Versatile was suspected to be a danger hense why jeejee killed her. If she was a danger she would have decent skill, and she was on the zodiac list. As an athlete, he would be used to using fists as a weapon, hense the shots to the head. Franz Stampfl was also a very well known runner which is why he quickly ran at her. Also jeejee has a diging reference in his profile, once again a hole is being dug. | ||
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On March 25 2009 03:46 JeeJee wrote: this actually pretty much solidifies that i'm not a red. chuiu has never pulled a billion things from one's profile and used it to create a scene or a way of killing. it's always been ONE thing. If there'd be a recurring digging theme (i'd go with digging people's graves -- that would be a good one for me) then i'd agree with you. but pulling everything from my profile isn't. there's not going to be a recurring theme of a fast runner in a competition who digs people's graves and is motivated by fear (hell, why don't we throw in some torture and pain too, and a battlecry of "JI JI!!!" while we're at it) remember ghar? ..yeah and fwiw, i don't think humbug is good lynch, at least while the references to the number 3 keep popping up and 3 Lions is still alive. scooter's pretty much a shoe-in though This is JeeJee's defense - he basically says there are too many clues. But we had a bunch of clues for Leperkhan: there was the word "lucky", he was easy to push over, he was using arrows because of the bull's eye on his profile, also the 3 clue was tied to him because he has two korean gamers on his signature so 3 lions may be off the hook as long as the 3 clue doesn't come up again. JL13 was trying to dodge Leperkhan and Leperkhan had a picture of Dodge City on his profile. | ||
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On March 26 2009 17:41 JeeJee wrote: i question your sig! you're hatin' on me, bird-o nah I's just sayin' | ||
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On March 27 2009 00:44 Caller wrote: Medics, Watch These People Tonight. Caller Bockit MrBabyHands (in jail, don't protect him) Also note that it is quite likely that at least one of them is mafia. fixed Any particular reason Ace is no longer one of the 12? | ||
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On March 27 2009 16:05 MrBabyHands wrote: *cracks knuckles* showtime lol can't wait to hear the next plan of attack | ||
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On March 27 2009 18:01 malongo wrote: booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo good luck town. ill miss you! | ||
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On March 28 2009 12:15 ZaplinG wrote: Woah hey guys I've been inactive lately - the power cord to my computer broke so I've been computerless for a week or so. I'd like to read through 40 pages worth to catch up but I just don't have the time. What have I missed? CompX wants you dead | ||
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On March 28 2009 12:38 JeeJee wrote: i already voted. i was merely agreeing with him that lurker's a good next target oh my bad didn't see it because it wasn't bolded | ||
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On March 31 2009 13:09 Mista wrote: That's what you get for being impatient.Hmm who shall we lynch .. Ho ho I bet Chuiu did delight in making it more gruesome than necessary. | ||
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On April 01 2009 03:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote: I vote to lynch MasterofChaos I vote to Lynch Centric Centric IMO is the violin link I just googled Centric and didn't find anything about violins or music, I even googled Centric and Violin found nothing. First result on google is for brakes. I looked up Centric music and there was a techno label - hardly violin fare. Who was it that had "symphony of destruction" or something like that in Korean in their profile? | ||
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I change my vote from MasterofChaos to semioldguy Here are my PMs with semioldguy thus far so you can see how fucked we are and how I phrased the clue check PM: + Show Spoiler + lol April Fools - I'll change by vote back before night don't worry | ||
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Zapling's Blog has two huge posts about finding frozen waterfalls, maybe has something to do with the "frozen" comment from Day 2? I don't know how to find blogs easily so I haven't been looking at them for clues. I think the case for zapling is better than that for jyvblamo honestly. | ||
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On April 01 2009 11:51 fusionsdf wrote: Too bad that was an april fools joke, it would have been interesting. I've been waiting for the mafia to do something like that, but they've been too timid. At this point if I was the mafia I would openly be trying to sow seeds of doubt. They aren't going to win anyways, so they might at least try to take as many townies with them as they can Yeah, we're kind of 1a2a3aing at this point the lack of drama is dissapointing. | ||
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On April 01 2009 12:48 semioldguy wrote: LOL... Pyrrhuloxia... I was reading that and was like... What the fuck?! Anyway... as I mentioned to BloodyC0bbler or Fishball earlier (or maybe to both), I've been suspicious of ahswtini since morning three because of his voting patterns and timings and posts in general have seemed suspicious to me. I, too, have been suspicious of his behavior. | ||
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On April 01 2009 13:38 semioldguy wrote: Most of the mafia we have gotten so far have been busy doing nothing but giving themselves away and doing absolutely nothing to cast doubt and suspicion among the town. How could they expect to win? He's right, every mafia we've caught so far has done shit for strategy. They've all been pretty silent, they've all voted along with the town in killing mafia, they've taken no risks for any hope of rewards as far as I can tell. It's kind of made for a boring game but I thank them for not giving up and implore them to see this through to the end. | ||
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On April 02 2009 12:30 semioldguy wrote: @Pyrrhuloxia Why am I looking at a game review? Sorry, it was meant for my blog. | ||
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On April 03 2009 15:47 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: I figured trying something for once. I thought that if I blocked a mafia hit on you, it would give the mafia the impression that you were blue. I was hoping they would try to hit you again the next night and laugh at their failures. That's why I did what I did. As for protecting you the first time, I decided to let my actions speak for my innocence. Of course, you would never know for sure who or what I was until the game ended, which I hoped cleared me of any doubts of my actions. Well I was hoping whoever protected me would claim it to me before I said anything about it and if only one persyn did then they were probably for sure the medic but then no one claimed, mafia or otherwise. Good plan though lol. | ||
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On April 03 2009 15:49 mikeymoo wrote: I actually thought Pyrr was mafia after he started accusing BC incredibly harshly. But then I was dead so I had nothing to say lol Haha no, he was making shit up like "glaring is obviously something a bird would do" so I just did the same thing back at him to show him how absurd it was - I didn't really mean it, you'll noticed we both voted for Leperkhan after that and Leperkhan was who that first pocket clue was ultimately about. | ||
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