Just going to edit this with thoughts on the role descriptions, I like what I see so far, good work guys.
"Sheriff and Mayor will hide the roles of the elected players so that a Detective role check will show them as Sheriff/Mayor and nothing else." Interesting
You might want to take the veteran clause out of paramedic.
On March 14 2009 14:26 inertinept wrote: well you might have quit but I will be the bigger man here. i just want to know why you wont let me in the game when i havent done anything wrong.
Seems to me that he has pretty clearly stated his reasons. InertInept, can you please keep this to pms if you're going to keep it up?
On March 15 2009 00:55 inertinept wrote: lol the only reason you guys say im crying is because your not the SINGLE person being not allowed to play. how would you feel if everyone was allowed to play(even people that messed up games worst previously) except you?
nice job being a bunch of ass kissers.
Actually reading through the thread and comparing people who asked to sign up with the player list, you're not the only one. So calm down and cool off. Maybe next game Chuiu will let you play (Though at this rate..), just show you can be mature about it and accept that what you did was not something people want to see in Mafia (Admitting to being mafia is completely lame in these games. It's not as if voted haven't been turned around completely at the last minute, check out game 2 with the Ghar vote for an example of this.).
Ugh I hate it when people do this. But just checking in so I'm not presumed inactive, goddamn I've got a lot to read I'll get to it when I get home in about 6 hours or so!
Thankyou masterofchaos for that post, saved me a lot of time, I have more to say but for now just getting in before final vote count:
I vote for MrBabyHands
I'm a huge fan of behavioural analysis and he seems to know what he's doing here and really this game, complex plans trying to set up an inner circle or w/e are just going to be a waste of our time and risk too many blue roles. Behavioural and clue analysis is going to be the way to go.
Most of the plans that have been put forward so far have massive holes in them, I'll get into the stuff that hasn't been covered by other players soon.
On March 19 2009 07:18 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: There are at least 4 possible links from the day one post to Pikachu, the shockwave clue is one of the least persuasive of them so y'all are selling this a bit short - if you find something better, share, but I'm under the impression the mayor has to choose a day 1 lynch so this is the best I've got:
1. Shock wave is a Pikachu move
"He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave."
"They approached Chuiu slowly and he backed up to a safer distance keeping the gun aimed at them. When they stopped he lowered the gun slightly and told them to put their hands behind their backs and get on the ground, then he yelled at the third person to get out of the car."
It could be that Chuiu lowers the gun a bit because he realizes one of them is short so he aim it at them a little better. This one isn't that great or important.
3,4. One mafia can grab a gun with his hand behind his back - this same mafia stands up at rest and then runs while leaned over.
"One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side."
Notice that Pikachu stands up straight on two feet while at rest, then runs parallel to the ground - Pikachu would have no problem sprinting while lowering to the ground: (I knew my tv tuner would serve a purpose someday!)
Also, Pikachu would have no problem grabbing a gun with his hands behind his back because he grabs them with this mouth:
5. This same mafia can throw a gun to the side without using his hands:
"with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side"
6. This same mafia uses a tackle move:
"He tackled Chuiu to the ground and then ran over to the gun and armed himself with it."
On March 19 2009 08:21 Pika Chu wrote: Now there's no mention that the guy has lowered himself in order to sprint OR that he sprinted while being lowered/leaned.
Eh?
But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side
Pretty clearly states that he's running while lowered.
On March 19 2009 08:21 Pika Chu wrote: Now there's no mention that the guy has lowered himself in order to sprint OR that he sprinted while being lowered/leaned.
Eh?
But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side
Pretty clearly states that he's running while lowered.
Sorry, english ain't my native language and i'm not too good at it anyway.
But what i understand from that sentence is that the second time he mentiones "lowering himself" is that he's making reference to the guy who was lowering himself in the past sentence, not in any way that the guy is lowering himself in order to sprint.
I'll try to explain it even better and will do so by replacing the verb lowering with wanking.
One of the mafia complied and began wankingdown to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia wanking himself sprinted toward Chuiu
The mafia guy wasn't wanking himself to sprint towards Chuiu. It's a reference to the exact guy who was wanking in the last sentence. It's used to identify the person not describe an action. Chuiu just didn't wrote it down in the best manner, which would have been "But while he did so the mafia guy who was lowering himself, sprinted towards Chuiu".
You're right, "the mafia lowering himself" is a reference to person A, however the reference here is describing his activities at the same time, meaning that he is still lowered as he is sprinting toward Chuiu.
Using the wanking example:
He's not wanking himself to sprint, but since it doesn't say he stopped wanking and the tense is present it's safe to assume he's still wanking as he's sprinting towards Chuiu. Or in the case of the clue, the guy is still lowering as he sprints, hence leaning forward.
On March 19 2009 09:11 fusionsdf wrote: The second reason, and pyrr is going to hate this, is if he all of a sudden starts giving bad analysis or stops analyzing, we will increase our suspicion of him being mafia.
In other words hes analyzing clues to save his life ha ha ha
Just a note about the whole Pika Chu//Pikachu situation, if you remember from Game 2 crazie-penguin was literally a penguin in all the stories, and it was the subtle things like not being able to speak, having 'wings' instead of hands that were what gave it away. Much like grabbing a gun with a tail and running close to the ground match the actions of a character with the body of a pikachu.
On March 19 2009 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Ok, I have some reading to do to get fully caught up from my working into drink fest last night.
But.
Why are people voting for mayor/sheriff choices based off day 1 clue/behaviour analysis? I know that its a good way to catch mafia on both counts, but heres the issue.
Day 1 clues will have only 2-4 clues total each insanely vague, and each to a different mafia, never more clues pointing at it. Also, chuiu typically has his clues as specific words, so using an entire sentence isn't his style bases on past games.
Next, we have barely any posting habits to follow on someones behaviour to have it exactly down at this point, it is just as hard to prove someone is mafia off the little posting done.
I understand both areas are equally important, but for day 1, neither are truely reliable.
because its going to be impossible to organize town this time, so the goal is to put someone in mayor/sheriff we want to keep alive.
clue analyzers are people we want to keep alive.
The second reason, and pyrr is going to hate this, is if he all of a sudden starts giving bad analysis or stops analyzing, we will increase our suspicion of him being mafia.
In other words hes analyzing clues to save his life ha ha ha
Hes going into way to much detail to push the clue through though, look at how many videos he used to prove his point, if you need like 4-5 videos to prove it, its trying to force something down ones throat.
Anyone who has played mafia has knows clue analysis is super weak first day, and behaviour analysis is easier for mafia to do to pick out blues first day.
We need to elect someone who will try to get the town organized and who can analyze but not be the center of the town. As neither sheriff or mayor can be town rallying point.
He didn't need the videos to prove the point, the points he was trying to prove were clear if you had played enough SSB or were familiar with Pikachu. They were there for people who weren't so familiar, he even proved through Chuiu's own posts the likelihood that Chuiu was aware of these things.
All this said, I'm not a fan of making Pyrr sheriff/mayor because I think just because someone can do clue analysis that they should be mayor is faulty. I do however agree with the work he's done so far (In the sense that I think it's likely to be correct, or is at least of decent quality).
On March 19 2009 09:24 Bockit wrote: Just a note about the whole Pika Chu//Pikachu situation, if you remember from Game 2 crazie-penguin was literally a penguin in all the stories, and it was the subtle things like not being able to speak, having 'wings' instead of hands that were what gave it away. Much like grabbing a gun with a tail and running close to the ground match the actions of a character with the body of a pikachu.
but having his hands behind his head to indicate the tail isn't very likely, if they were behind his back maybe
How is he going to "grabbed the gun and threw it to the side" with his hands behind his head if he doesn't have some other way to grab a gun beside his hands? Pyrr has suggested a tail and has provided a lot of supporting evidence and supporting clues to match a theme for this.
On March 19 2009 22:30 Rice wrote: also... if we're going to use the hands behind head clue, 3 Lions would be capable of disarming a person with a pair of hands behind his head.
That's a very good point, I must admit I hadn't spent TOO much time looking through the list, I mainly post when I see things which I think are wrong, such was my belief about the pikachu clues (I was against the notion that they had no plausibility). I think you'll find I wasn't advocating a lynch, just defending the clue analysis.
All that said, having done some more thinking about it, I think that it might be incorrect to assume this is a creature with 4 legs, because if it put its hands behind its back and managed to run while leaning forward, it's going to fall flat on it's face? I guess what we take from this is that there is (the possibility of) a persona who has the ability to grab things without his hands, indicating possibly extra limbs, tail, extendable tongue who knows.
These lists that Ace has come up with are very interesting, it's almost like creating detective lists without detectives. What makes them useful I guess is this concept of Propensity To Be Targetted (PTBT).
If we make a list of 7 hypothetical people, on average we have 1 mafia (rounded down) in the list. If amongst these 7 people, there is a high PTBT then that list is very quickly going to be brought down to 2 or 3 people. At which point we're looking at 1/2 or 1/3 people are mafia (That last bit is the bit I'm unsure on, while I did a decent level of maths in HS, I haven't really touched it in 4 years >_>).
I'm not sure how well this holds up, I mean, why not just break the whole thing into lists of 4 or so people and try and stack PTBT, maybe the whole thing works because it's perceived to work. Actually now I think about it, it only works if you use a small amount of these lists, otherwise you dilute the whole process and it approaches 1/5 chance of anyone being mafia again.
I'm not sure what you can conclusively draw from this, I get the feeling I'm trying to look for something like 'mafia can't really target the people on these lists because then they are exposing their own players' giving the people on these lists a perceptual protection from being targetted but I'm not sure I'm there yet.
That was a bit of a ramble but I guess see what we can do with it while we wait for the morning's clues.
On March 20 2009 00:47 Night[Mare wrote: Well at least you must have a suspect, you cant believe every player is an innocent soul.
You're right mate, i do. But that does not mean i'm going to make it public until i have at least some weak clues connecting to it.
Actually, please do post what suspicions you might have. Worst case scenario is it promotes activity, gets people posting. The more people post the more info we have to work with for behavioural analysis. And also thread activity goes up. We've had games crippled by inactivity in the past and I think we'd all like to avoid that this time round. Obviously it's still the first day/night cycle and activity is high, let's just keep it high.
On March 20 2009 10:49 Qatol wrote: Let me be clear on this, since everyone seems more confused about medics protecting the target. That is not the reasoning here. The reason I want hits called out is to avoid DTs rolechecking the targets and to avoid vigis stacking hits. The second being by far the more pressing issue.
Addressing this, and everyone worried about mafia canceling out a vigi hit:
Vigilante - You may, only once during the game, kill a player of your choice during the night. A clue will be left behind just like a mafia killing pointing to you. If your hit overlaps with mafia or another vigilante then I will cancel it and they will kill the person instead. [b]In both cases you will not know who caused your hit to be canceled and you will be able to use your hit anytime after that during the game.[b]
It doesn't matter if you call your hit out, if your target is mafia, they can't kill their own guy, your hit will go through. If your target is innocent, then if mafia kill it first, your hit is refunded. If a vigi also targets the player, one of the two hits is refunded.
I think all this discussion on the topic is pointless, there is so little to be gained from claiming your hits before hitting them player as a vigi and about as little to be gained by not claiming. I say we leave it to the vigis and focus on something a little more relevant, like, I don't know, clue/behaviour analysis. We have nearly 30 pages of posts to work with already here.
On March 20 2009 12:07 JL13 wrote: This is a good compilation of what's been discussed so far. Also, remember one of the mafia, that killed Incognito, stayed behind to make sure he was dead. That brings the total to four mafia.
1) Guy charging 2) Guy helping 3) Guy driving 4) Guy making sure Incognito was dead.
Also, there's a sentence when Chuiu describes the three men running away to the car: "He noticed they weren't leaving right away, what could they be waiting for?"
My feeling is that the "they weren't leaving right away, what could they be waiting for?" isn't a clue, it seems to me just a way to say they were waiting for Chuiu to arrive. I could be wrong but I think the other clues are stronger if the dts are all going to be clue checking.
On March 20 2009 11:44 Qatol wrote:
Since nobody else is takling about this, I will get things started: The guy offering to help Chuiu up The guy charging at Chuiu while having his hands behind his head The third guy not getting out of the car The shockwave from the builiding explosion (I highly doubt this is a clue, but it was discussed) The item Incognito finding staying lost
I think what was more important about that last clue you mention in the list, isn't the item that's lost but that once Incognito caught sight of his soon-to-be-killer he knew it was lost forever.
"He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost"
Then again, it's possible that this is simply a case of him knowing he is going to die and that he won't be able to find it.
Combining the efforts of Dreamflower, Qatol and JL13 on this recent page we get something like this:
Strong chance of being clues
Guy offering to help Chuiu up He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get up. But then the mafia pulled him close and stabbed him in the chest. (I'd almost think Dronebabo was playing with this one sounded similar to his signature)
The guy charging at Chuiu while having his hands behind his head But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu and with his hands still behind his head grabbed the gun and threw it to the side
The incognito lost item not going to be found He turned himself around to face the man and knew that whatever could be found was lost
Possibly clue
Waiting around the car He finally caught up with them a few moments later as they were getting in a car. He noticed they weren't leaving right away, what could they be waiting for?
Things nobody is really willing to support as clues yet
The shockwave from the builiding explosion He got to the door just before the explosion and was caught in the shockwave.
Building crumbled in on itself Except for the explosion in City Hall. The sheriff, Chuiu, ran out of his office across the street to see the building crumbling in on itself.
So if any of the 3 dts are still unsure what to do and are looking for clues to check up on, or people to match clues to, take a look at the Strong clues just listed.
On March 20 2009 12:32 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: dreamflower, i like the idea of betrayal regarding the man that helped Chuiu up and then stabbed him. Why would Chuiu, the sheriff and hardened crime fighter, accept the help up from a criminal? It could be someone he recognized or knew that betrayed him by siding with the mafia. So we should keep an eye in the day posts for someone that kills in a deceitful way, by tricking his victims into thinking he is going to help them.
I suggested a possible clue link from the 4th mafia that stayed behind, waiting for Incognito, to the name "Lurker." It sort of fits, but I want to bring it up again so others can see it.
Also: what kind of person could run with their hands behind their head and also grab a gun and throw it to the side? Perhaps someone who is very "Versatile." It's possible but i don't think Chuiu usually writes clues like that. I'd imagine that mafioso to be hinting towards some kind of animal, like a monkey, or someone with multiple appendages.
If it helps Versatile is also synonymous with being ambidextrous. However for both their hands to be behind their head, and then grab something suggests another pair of hands doesn't it?
Yeah I agree that the clue definitely suggests some extra body part or force being used. Versatile's name just jumped out to me on the list when I was thinking about that particular mafioso.
On March 20 2009 12:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah I see pikachus and lions put their hands behind their heads all the time don't you
edited to show how dumb day 1 clue analysis is. its good work you guys are doing but i don't know if it will produce any results. i'm going to sleep now.
hahah excellent point. Don't worry, eventually someone will say the gladiator link in my profile is a clue because a mafioso killed someone with a knife (oh if only MidnightGladius was playing)
On March 20 2009 12:55 JL13 wrote: Actually, I think the "whatever could be found, was lost" is the strongest clue. My brief explanation is explained on Page 28. I think it fits Chuiu's writing style, especially from last game pretty closely. Also, Incognito is helping out with clues as well, so the story is a mesh of their combined efforts.
That quote stood out to me the most and seemed the most awkward sentence throughout the story.
You're right it did stand out pretty strongly from the rest of the text. I'll just edit it around now.
Ok I just read the whole thing, why not use the double lynch? You've built a considerable case against both, I can't find any real points to disagree on personally on either account, I say go for the double.
Something about Caller too. If he is mafia, it means one of the 4 candidates BC, SOG, Pyrr or MBH are mafia. Why? The only reason for him to cancel his election is to get another mafia player into power. There are huge, huge positives for having a mafia player in that position of power (Rolechecks show up as sheriff/mayor and not mafia), so the only reason I can come up with for him to pull out like that would be to instead get another of the mafia players into office.
Which means we should look at who he voted for, and who else voted for them.
Keep in mind this only matters if he flips red, but if he does, then yeah, we might catch a crapload of mafia.
EDIT: Editing because I refuse to triple post:
Hahahahaha.
He voted for MBH, which is coincidentally who I voted for. Teach me to hit submit before checking these things.
I guess it's possible he voted off the mafia train so as to lessen the suspicion on himself aftr pulling out of the election.
Again this is all relevant only if Caller is in fact mafia.
Just trying to recreate the kill lists, without even looking for clues, I think it might be safe to assume Ver used his vigi hit on scaramanga, and then mafia got 3 hits in
I guess that adds up with the him urging the town to lynch Scara, I guess he wouldn't have stressed the point so much if he was going to up and vigi him anyway.
On March 21 2009 14:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: I don;'t think Ver could have use his vigi hit? I thought the only role that could act night 1 was medic and dt?
"All roles must be used at night and only the Detective clue check ability and Medic ability may be used on Day 1."
Ah I see.
In that case, we should try and look at why mafia killed Scaramanga despite him being in the town's sights for a possible lynch. It doesn't make sense to me why they'd do our work for us.
Well at this point, I'm all for voting for mandalor.
Possibilities that I can see:
1)SoG is mafia a)Mandalor is mafia and he's sacrificing a likely-to-be-killed mafia member to gain our trust b)Mandalor is town aligned and I can't explain why this scenario would ever happen given the current state of things (SoG elected office etc)
2)SoG is a detective a)Mandalor is mafia b)Mandalor is a miller
3)SoG is a townie
So 1b) and 3) are stupid but there for the sake of completion.
Leaving: 1a) 2a) and 2b)
1a) and 2a) get us a mafia kill. 2b) gets us not much.
Statistics put put the chance of him being a miller reasonably low. Also we have the behavioural analysis of Ver/MBH.
Thus:
I vote for Mandalor
I vote for a double lynch tomorrow
I do this because we already have rice lined up and we'll have more clues to work with (we've barely scraped the surface of Day 2 clues as it is...) so it's very likely we'll have 2 prime suspects. That's leaving alone out other behavioural analysis that gets done.
On March 21 2009 21:18 semioldguy wrote: Of course just because we have Mandalor doesn't mean we should stop doing other things (not that I'm accusing anyone of this, just want to make sure it doesn't happen).
We should still decide if we want to double lynch tomorrow.
Also all this time we are going to be saving discussing a lynch target can now be used for other areas like finding potential clues or where to go looking for the next red after Mandalor.
I'm for the double lynch, as explained in my prior post. I also think our first target should be rice. He has tried the copout post "my generic picture has always caused these kind of false clue accusations", however due to the fact that the paragraph of clues pretty much describes his picture with all the different clues in it, I'm inclined to disagree with the 'generic' argument. However I propose that to prove this, we use SoGs cluecheck on one of the clues in the paragraph of clues, to see if it links to rice
On March 21 2009 13:33 Chuiu wrote: Across from where Camlito had died Qatol was frozen still staring down a man dressed in black. He heard a clicking sound from the mans coat and was sure he was armed to the teeth, ready to shoot him any second. Well he inched his way back towards the seats while his would be killer stood a few rows up and waited. Once Qatol was close enough he decided to make a break for it, he ducked under the cover of the seats and started running towards Camlito's corpse; the area now vacant of any other mafia. He was halfway and didn't hear any gunshots so he looked up and saw the man jumping from seat to seat barely keeping his balance before he moved to the next one and slowly closing in. Qatol stood up and ran full speed now but it was too late, the man jumped down on him from behind and brought him to the ground. As they struggled Qatol saw a glint of metal and thinking it was a gun tried to push it away, but his hand wasn't pushing away something it was pushing in. The knife penetrated Qatols right hand and his killer was rocking it back and forth making the wound hurt more. Screaming in pain and losing his strength quickly Qatol had no chance of defending himself as the knife continued forth and penetrated his chest.
Haha too easy. Rice's profile picture has a few gangsters showing off their thugness to the crowd. If you look closely, many of the descriptions fit perfectly with the picture. All of them are dressed in black, the man in the back has a coat, and the center man is holding a knife near his eye. Now these are generic clues but the key giveaway is "armed to the teeth". If you are so armed then why would you waste your time with a knife? Because you are literally armed to the teeth. Look at the man on the right. He has silverish fangs that could easily be considered weapons. + Show Spoiler [Rice's Profile Picture] +
I'd say Mandalor has a greater chance statistically to be a Miller than he has that chance based on behavioral analysis (meaning that I believe his actual chances of being Miller to be much less than my post of 18%). Just my opinion though.
At this risk of sounding stupid, I think I'm missing something here, can you re-explain what you mean by this?
In my post I was saying (I think..) that Mandalor has a smaller chance of being a miller showing up as a mafia to your detective rolecheck, than him being a mafia showing up as a mafia to your detective rolecheck. I was then saying I think the behaviour analysis by Ver and MBH is enough for me to discount this small chance (of him being a miller) and be willing to vote for mandalor on the blind logic of you having called him out and roleclaiming dt.
On March 21 2009 21:32 semioldguy wrote: We're saying the same thing... I also think that with the behavioral analysis it is enough to largely toss aside the small chance he is a Miller.
On March 21 2009 23:27 RaGe wrote: Hmm, I don't agree with a double lynch. The outcome of Mandalor's lynch will give us important information, and the case against Rice and Tricode seems pretty weak to me.
Double lynch isn't for tonight, it's for tomorrow night.
On March 22 2009 16:52 semioldguy wrote: The double lynch is NOT auto-passed at this point. People should still vote for it if they want it to pass since with each additional voter it increases the difficulty to pass the double lynch by another one-half of a vote. meaning if 14 people spam voted right now without also voting to double lynch, we would get no double lynch tomorrow since the 21 votes we have now would no longer be equat to half of the voters.
I'm just going with what Chuiu has on page 50.
He specifically wrote "29 (16 needed)", so your argument is null.
"The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day."
Plus the number he gave (29, 16) match the requirements sog is describing.
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote: I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.
I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.
It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.
I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.
As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.
Also, where is Ace? He's in the lockup but that doesn't stop him being able to speak. And being in lockup, he can't be killed tonight, which means it was his chance to go nuts with clue/behaviour/plans and be safe for another night.
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote: I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.
I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.
It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.
I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.
As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.
SoG doesn't even have to be godfather because all he can be rolechecked to is Mayor.
I forgot about that, an even better tradeoff then.
Still conjecture, but enough reason for dts *not* to roleclaim to SoG.
Ok first things first, Pyrr, I love the work you're doing but can you please use quote tags instead of copy pasting from the thread? I can't work out who's saying what sometimes
Secondly, They're ripping through that list of 12 eh? Feeling a little worried now >_>
Thirdly, grats to the vigi who hit tricode.
And finally:
## I vote for scooter and humbug
I'm not convinced by any means that rice isn't mafia, but I'm happy to go with the consensus on today's vote.
Tricode's posts really don't make bloodycobbler look very good. We can't forget that it's very very very likely one of bloodycobbler, semioldguy, mrbabyhands or pyrr is mafia. The benefits of getting into the sheriff or mayor position are just too good for a mafia player for them to ignore it because of the spotlight effect.
Because that seems to be the general consensus of things to do. It might be a good idea to check the previously asscociated with humbug clue (the stuff falling from the pocket) on pyrr. I'll work on a recap much like my day 1 clue recap for the game till this point, we can probably work from there.
EDIT: Really late, spelling in the vote message was wrong.
I normally can't believe people manage to do this but I just lost everything I was typing up.
I'll redo it in the morning when I wake up...
Something interesting I found out while I was doing it all, the clue about the biker dude, with snakes and cross tattoos, and indecipherable stuff. I wonder if the indecipherable stuff is the most important bit of the clue. I thought this was pretty strong so I looked through all the profiles for stuff like Ascii art in signatures. Unfortunately no ascii art, but Fishball does have a bunch of chinese(?) characters in his signature. Could be counted as indecipherable. It did seem like a stronger clue though when I didn't know nobody had any ascii in their signatures I guess just another thing to keep in mind.
I normally can't believe people manage to do this but I just lost everything I was typing up.
I'll redo it in the morning when I wake up...
Something interesting I found out while I was doing it all, the clue about the biker dude, with snakes and cross tattoos, and indecipherable stuff. I wonder if the indecipherable stuff is the most important bit of the clue. I thought this was pretty strong so I looked through all the profiles for stuff like Ascii art in signatures. Unfortunately no ascii art, but Fishball does have a bunch of chinese(?) characters in his signature. Could be counted as indecipherable. It did seem like a stronger clue though when I didn't know nobody had any ascii in their signatures I guess just another thing to keep in mind.
There is a reason I didn't even bother to respond to that so called "musical note" clue mentioned a few pages ago, but this stuff is pretty entertaining when I actually see my name being mentioned
I must... resist!!!
Hahaha
Yeah I've pretty much ignored the stuff linked to me too, due to its tenuous nature there's not much to refute.
I'm really suspicious of Lurker. He signs up, and then when morning of day 1 rolls around, pretty quickly puts himself forward as a candidate for sheriff. We never hear from him again, and he's posted on 3 separate occasions outside this thread. He has no profile really so all chuiu has to work with is his name, and we now have clues about digging holes.
On March 26 2009 18:10 JeeJee wrote: isn't it Night Three now Bockit you slippin' up? or was it sog that was doing the title i forget aghhhhhhh 5am i cant htink straight. im almost done my essay hurray
As per the information released by Fishball and SoG:
## I vote for MasterOfChaos ## I vote for Jyvblamo
I've been pretty inactive since about day 3 (on tl and in this thread) but I have kept up with reading the thread. There's not much more for me to say as I am quite happy to let the people who are clearly getting mafia kills do their thing and vote accordingly at this point
And getting a perfect game would be really awesome.
Was a fun game, townies felt a little op, but I think that was more a case of various townies (mainly SoG ) picking up the flame and keeping the thread incredibly active and on topic. I think this will become less of an issue as we all get better at the game though, with mafia more able to hide their 'mafia-ness' while being incredibly active and seemingly helpful.
If I was to take anything from this though, rolechecks are still a tad OP imo. Maybe drop back to 2 detectives?