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Pyrrhuloxia
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On March 20 2009 08:31 Ace wrote: It doesn't quite work that way. Remember, the entire point of a Vigi calling out a hit is to prove their innocence. Sure, you can assume you lower Mafia KP by 1 - but it's a chance I'm sure Mafia are willing to take so the Vigi can't do it. Hence, we go another day with an unconfirmed Vigilante. Then it's a stretch to assume the Medics will protect the Vigilante AND the Mafia will hit him in the same night. The other problem also being is that what happens if the Vigi is a fake, but a real vigi targets him and he gets medic protected? x_x Lastly, for all this to work the Vigi hit has to go through and it has to hit red. If it kills an innocent we are back to square one. We're not talking about that plan anymore Ace. "the entire point of a Vigi calling out a hit is to prove their innocence" Now we're now talking about the fact that the only thing getting in the way of medics knowing people they protect are innocent are the 3 kills vigis can give. Vigis can't kill day 1 (according to you) so medics know they can trust day 1 protections but after that if vigis are silent they will make medics more uneasy than they have to be. If vigis just say they are going to kill someone after they pm their hit but don't say who they will hit, the mafia can't block it, the medics will know they can't 100% trust protection that night and can take necessary precautions, the mafia might take out the vigi but at least his hit will probably go through, and we don't have to put medics onto the vigi because they can't prove they are a vigi since they aren't saying who they will hit (if they survive somehow and hit a red I suppose they can prove it later and it might be obvious if vigis go one day at a time and all follow this). This would make the vigi essentially a suicide bomber though so if the vigi is a good player its probably not in their best interest. In any case, its all up to the vigi ultimately to decide what they will do. | ||
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On March 20 2009 09:13 Qatol wrote: Pyrr, the medics are unlikely to kill anyone who is seriously called out as a target in the thread. It is unlikely that a vigi will hit someone other than a serious target with their hit. If they do, it is unlikely they will hit anyone off that list. That list is likely where the medics will be. Medics stopping vigi hits is an unlikely scenario at best. Exactly what I thought and why I thought Ace's worries seemed extreme. | ||
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If a public vigi gets his kill refunded he'll die that night. But a public vigi won't get his kill refunded - he sends his kill in early so the mafia will see the kill and then react: If the vigi names a blue/green the mafia let him do it and get an EXTRA kill. If the vigi names a red, yay. Either way, If you're a good player that's managed to live this long while contributing you're gonna bring a lot of attention to yourself and die especially if you use red kill to show up as a guaranteed innocent. I think MrBabyHands has shown that good players have to do everything they can to maintain a low profile to survive. Also, if a private vigi kills a red they can wait until they think the climate is right to make the claim if they think they can lead to the town can maybe ask them to come out if they want to protect the vigi with medics at that point. Seriously though, I think it's like a Monty Hall problem to some extent. If the vigi is gonna hit a blue that the mafia was going to hit, the mafia will get a boost by switching their hit to another player since the vigi can't change their hit and sends it in before the mafia giving them time to react. So it's kind of like a potential two-hit swing against the town's favor if the vigis call out hits: Private Vigi: if they pick a blue, they can get lucky and pick one the mafia picked and get their hit back, maybe get lucky next time Public Vigi: if they pick a blue, the mafia won't pick that person and so the mafia get an extra hit even if the mafia fuck up and put a hit for the same person, the vigi will probably get killed that night and not be able to use the refunded hit | ||
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On March 20 2009 12:29 semioldguy wrote: A puiblic Vigi can NEVER have his kill refunded. How many times do I have to post that for people to stop bringing up the possibility of something impossible happening? he can also never have his kill refunded because the mafia will always hit a blue or green that the vigi isn't targetting. edit blue or green instead of blue | ||
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On March 20 2009 12:48 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah I agree that the clue definitely suggests some extra body part or force being used. Versatile's name just jumped out to me on the list when I was thinking about that particular mafioso. hahah excellent point. Don't worry, eventually someone will say the gladiator link in my profile is a clue because a mafioso killed someone with a knife (oh if only MidnightGladius was playing  ) Didn't someone say that there was a scene from the movie Gladiator where someone helps another guy up and then stabs them? | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:16 Night[Mare wrote: this game is fucking test heavy! anyone has some kind of summary? summaries are gonna be biased / misleading if you are serious it is best to plow through it | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:23 semioldguy wrote: Besides... if we write too much maybe it will discourage the Mafia from trying to figure out what the town is doing :p hey maybe I'm not useless after all! | ||
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Lol my platform wasn't clue analysis, although it was the reasoning of most of my supporters. This is why I don't summarize I usually find something off putting about them. | ||
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On March 20 2009 13:33 JL13 wrote: Lol, my bad. I realized this right after I saw your post regarding avoiding bias ^_^. Well I suppose I talked about it as part of my platform because some people started supporting me because of it, but there was also the vigi plan we debated that I went from defending vociferously to eventually rejecting. And following the town but who doesn't say that. And being (hyper)active. And <3, don't forget <3. And there was more I think but no matter at this point I guess. | ||
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EDIT TO ADD THIS: I know that it is not quite 24 hours since he got home and sent in the hit, its like 21. I am asking if the day post is supposed to come 24 hours after voting ended or after the night post? EDIT TO AVOID DOUBLE POST: Night post was a lot later than I thought, looks like it might not come till 6:30 pacific which won't even come around by the time Bisu vs. Fantasy is over so probably won't come till Chuiu wakes up in the morn. | ||
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On March 20 2009 15:27 semioldguy wrote: Chuiu told me in PM he make a post before long lol ok thanks | ||
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On March 20 2009 16:31 BloodyC0bbler wrote: haha I wish i could, but well, work, drinking, dancing, many women are in my future tommorrow. many womyn why can't you leave one for me you ass  | ||
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On March 20 2009 18:11 Ver wrote: I like how this is your first post. Silent mafia much? Is it really? Maybe I'm just confused because redtooth has been talking a lot and he is another one that comes up when "sharp" does. | ||
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