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On March 19 2009 07:58 Pika Chu wrote:
#3,4 Jesus, can't you even read the whole story?
One of the mafia complied and began lowering down to the ground, Chuiu raised his gun at the other and yelled at him to do the same. But while he did so the mafia lowering himself sprinted toward Chuiu.
What this means is: the mafia who was before lowering himself to the ground is now sprinting to Chuiu, and NOT that the mafia is lowering himself to sprint to chuiu.
What? I don't even understand what your saying here. All of your defenses seem to be predicated on the idea that Chuiu can't possibly require clue analysis to use any lateral thinking whatsoever.
EDIT: Grammar
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On March 19 2009 09:11 fusionsdf wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 08:39 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Ok, I have some reading to do to get fully caught up from my working into drink fest last night.
But.
Why are people voting for mayor/sheriff choices based off day 1 clue/behaviour analysis? I know that its a good way to catch mafia on both counts, but heres the issue.
Day 1 clues will have only 2-4 clues total each insanely vague, and each to a different mafia, never more clues pointing at it. Also, chuiu typically has his clues as specific words, so using an entire sentence isn't his style bases on past games.
Next, we have barely any posting habits to follow on someones behaviour to have it exactly down at this point, it is just as hard to prove someone is mafia off the little posting done.
I understand both areas are equally important, but for day 1, neither are truely reliable. because its going to be impossible to organize town this time, so the goal is to put someone in mayor/sheriff we want to keep alive. clue analyzers are people we want to keep alive. The second reason, and pyrr is going to hate this, is if he all of a sudden starts giving bad analysis or stops analyzing, we will increase our suspicion of him being mafia. In other words hes analyzing clues to save his life ha ha ha
Oh fuck lol  tbh I already started running for mayor partly because I thought it looked weird that someone voted for me when I wasn't even running (another part was that I want to not be lazy and I want to try to exercise my leadership muscles).
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On March 19 2009 09:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:I can concede to that, but usually its 1-2 words. I more mentioned it as, using an entire encounter on day 1 as a clue towards one player is insanely hard to do, the whole scenario is just weird, he could still be mafia, but I would more say chances of pika chu being mafia off an entire scenario are really low. Think of it this way, his name is pika chu and chuiu likes using clues that are more roundabout or make you think in some way. Using someone who drops down, then charges someone then grabbing someones gun is highly unlikely to be the little rat we all love to hate from smash bros or pokemon. I mean hell if you want to look at areas that are potential clues as well He reached out his hand as if to help Chuiu up, Chuiu grabbed his hand with a puzzled look on his face and began to get upWe know that the mafia in question here only helped him up to stab him but, why would Chuiu take that hand knowing he was someone he had just tried to arrest? Chances are its someone who confused him, or dazed him or the like. that could link to Trancestorm, Dreamflower As for your charging theme, that pika chu is being hit up for, go look at http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=LeperKahnThat looks to be a pull or ram sort of thing, it could easily have been what charged, hands behind the head could signify horns. That all took me maybe 5-10 mins to look at, and are just as insubstantial as the rest. DAY 1 is not good for clue analysis, its normally not enough to hit a mafia with, sometimes we get lucky, but its not worth the hassle of hitting a potential blue or green.
BC's saying some great stuff here, pals so I'm glad I voted for him. We've never got a mafia day 1 except accidentally jumping on a clue meant for someone else so I'm really nowhere near 100% on Pikachu's guilt, it's just the closest thing I've seen and everyone should be doing work to see what they can find.
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On March 19 2009 09:31 Bockit wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On March 19 2009 09:24 Bockit wrote:
Just a note about the whole Pika Chu//Pikachu situation, if you remember from Game 2 crazie-penguin was literally a penguin in all the stories, and it was the subtle things like not being able to speak, having 'wings' instead of hands that were what gave it away. Much like grabbing a gun with a tail and running close to the ground match the actions of a character with the body of a pikachu. but having his hands behind his head to indicate the tail isn't very likely, if they were behind his back maybe How is he going to "grabbed the gun and threw it to the side" with his hands behind his head if he doesn't have some other way to grab a gun beside his hands? Pyrr has suggested a tail and has provided a lot of supporting evidence and supporting clues to match a theme for this.
I suggested using a mouth (not a tail) to throw the gun.
EDIT TO ADD: Mouth makes more sense to grab things than a ram's horns, imo.
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On March 19 2009 09:28 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Seriously guys, DAY ONE ANALYSIS is almost pointless. lynching an inactive first is more beneficial.
I'm inclined to agree with this, we can always sit on this and keep a close eye on Pikachu's actions and see if more clues corroborate or disprove this while we go after someone who's not contributing / probably won't use their blue roles for good even if they have them. I think that behavior analysis is probably better earlier though Mr.BabyHands seems a little less than thorough to me so far. I think maybe looking at who is helping who and how certain they are about it may be helpful although certainly not foolproof. I say this because I'm pretty confuzzled at who to support at this point. Right now everyone has to choose someone to vote for and thus support but it should get more effective after day 1 to look at alliances.
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Voting is ending soon isn't it? anyone want to do a check up vote im in class or i would
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@redtooth
1. You said Chuiu will be trying to avoid the inertinept mistake again.
Well inertinept isn't even the first time that's happen. Someone with a coffee-related name got inadvertently nailed day one before and QQed - its always a risk and you'd have to be superhuman to avoid it with 65 players with names and profiles and so on. Look at how Chuiu took criticism from Ace - he doesn't give a fuck, he's confident in his abilities.
2. "How about we give Pikachu an ability he's never had before and have him throw the gun to the side."
Because I totally didn't post a video of Pikachu doing just that.
3. You said Pikachu reacted normally and I'm being bloodthirsty by looking for input on my contribution.
Alright, thinking as someone running for mayor and knowing that we have to pick someone day 1 im looking for input on what might be a better move than the one I had the courage to take the risk of bringing up first. I figure Pika Chu would be motivated to do so, although in retrospect I shouldn't expect him to. Chuiu's clues weren't that tough even on day 1 last time. Raxor = = razor = sharp man? That's doable early, I think. There's nothing wrong asking for input I put a lot of thought into it and wanted to have people knock holes in it or give their own ideas but no one really even came up with an alternate target for the MANDATORY (meaning I'm not blood thirsty for bringing it up) day 1 lynch until MrBabyHands threw out mandalor on about page 20. Participation is a must for the town to win, I'd be wrong to not encourage it.
4. As a matter of fact, I would vote to lynch Pikachu right now.
Would you have came to that conclusion if I hadn't presented my case with such gusto? I've admitted this whole time that I know this has a high risk of being wrong but it's the best I've got for day one which seems to be what you're thinking so why am I a landmine the town must steer clear of?
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On March 19 2009 10:26 fusionsdf wrote:Does anyone have a list of inactives?
I think when we get the next vote count it'll be missing a bunch of names unfortunately and I think that'll give us a good start on one
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Nemy voted for mr.babyhands. Maybe it wasn't official it was in a big block of text and maybe worded weirdly and / or not bolded.
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Most of my supporters have joined me because they are okay with my clue analysis. I think going after an inactive would be okay but I dunno a fair way to pick it and even my opponent red tooth seems to think taking Pika Chu out is an okay idea for day 1 so I'll send that to Chuiu, though it looks like I'm going to lose with this last minute shift to semioldguy. I'm kind of worried because I'm pretty sure with mafia votes + subtle persuasion I don't believe a mafia candidate could have less than 10 votes at this point especially with no vote checks or role checks to deter (although mafia would still be stupid to all vote for their own candidate). Knowing that I'm not red I'm uneasy about the odds on the other two successful candidates. In any case I think it would be odd if none of the 4 main candidates were mafia (of course they could be inactive noobs again...).
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On March 19 2009 11:45 redtooth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 19 2009 11:43 fusionsdf wrote:On March 19 2009 11:34 redtooth wrote:
alright, the last two votes likely put semioldguy over the top.
as it stands, its BC and semioldguy getting the elected positions.
you don't find all this bandwagoning the least bit suspicious? don't know who the hell ydg is but as i said in my last post i'm going to go ahead and trust babyhands for now. i really don't want pyrr elected. sorry bro but i got to do what i got to do.
I'm confused, you're trusting mr.babyhands but voting for semioldguy? Mr.BabyHands has said all of the candidates are innocent, I imagine he would want himself considered innocent. I can't agree with that. I guess maybe mafia is inactive or confused but Ace had a big long rant about how great of a reward with little risk winning the election would be for them so I can't imagine they aren't trying unless they are so terrible they have no chance of winning. Maybe they are going for the least activity possible strat which is probably a decent one but the town seems ready to go after inactives so...
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I guess Nemy and Caller were also running so there are at least 6 candidates.
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Okay I get it, mr.babyhands voted for semioldguy so that is redtooth's stated reason for voting semioldguy. I'm not suspicious of you, Mr. Hands like a Baby's but I'm not persuaded that activity is a sign of innocence or that your supposed traps were sure things. I also think that the mafia should have a candidate and candidates tend to be at least a bit active so one of the 6 or more is probably red so your list of supposed innocent people seems a bit easy to get onto (though its probably a tool you will be using in someway as an instrument of capture).
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On March 19 2009 12:18 ZaplinG wrote:
I was going to keep fairly quiet until things died down a little bit, but who is Pyrrhuloxia and why is he getting so much support?
I mean, I know who semi-old guy is, I know who BC is, I saw that Mr.BabyHands was backed by Ace and Caller from the start and I know who they are...
...but Pyrrhuloxia seems a little random to me. Did he play a major role in earlier mafia games, or what? If all you are voting him in on is a shoddy day 1 clue analysis (lol?), then I just don't get it. I'm not accusing anyone here, I'm just a little confused and a little under-read.
lol if you're so awesome why aren't you running? I've been super (hyper, even) active in the games I've played and someone voted for me so it gave me the confidence I need to throw my name in the hat. Been pleasantly surprised at the support I've gotten so far but I will definitely earn it through hard work for the town if elected.
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On March 19 2009 12:57 malongo wrote:
I think it would be honest from all the candidates to name their first lynch BEFORE the final count in case they are elected Mayor.
I already did this, saying Pika Chu. Would like to see others do it, too.
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Oh yeah I forgot to mention Zapling could be like a zapping zergling - maybe one that can cause a shockwave and use the arms on its back to do stuff? Who knows.
A lurker is similar to a zergling I suppose but I would think that a lowering lurker would be like a burrowed lurker and lurkers can't move underground (maybe they can in sc2? i wouldn't know).
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Wait wtf Ace and other good players are jumping all over this Mr.BabyHands candidacy and his supposed behavior analysis skills and he has 39 posts? Is it common knowledge that he is a smurf of someone or something?
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On March 19 2009 13:32 CompX wrote:
thanks for u Pyrrhuloxia for mentioning that name! Mr. BabyHands can be the one who helped Chuiu up and stabbed Chuiu in the chest since babies can be curious and all that.
haha now you're mocking me :'(
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I dunno I fail to believe that because someone acts more or less active than last time that they are necessarily a different role or that if someone participates the same amount they are the same role but not everyone posts as obsessively as me every game.
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Whew so close. Hope Mr.BabyHands is the mafia candidate or there isn't one... actually given the star power of MBH's support I'm hoping we aren't faced off with such a mafia all-star team. Whatever, there are like 20 inactives maybe we'll wake up tomorrow morning to no hits having been submitted, lol.
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