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TruthBringer
Profile Joined November 2003
United States578 Posts
March 17 2009 06:13 GMT
#181
I am hoping for plans like, "i'll have a bodyguard coordinate the specials so that I and the mayor get checked" etc. Not past achievements, but accountability, ways of advancing this game.
Carbon FC
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 06:19 GMT
#182
Do we only vote on mayor day one or do we have to vote for a lynch too?
Qatol
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States3165 Posts
March 17 2009 06:21 GMT
#183
Just a vote on the mayor/sheriff. The mayor gets to decide on the day 1 lynch.
Uff Da
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 17 2009 06:21 GMT
#184
On March 17 2009 15:13 TruthBringer wrote:
I am hoping for plans like, "i'll have a bodyguard coordinate the specials so that I and the mayor get checked" etc. Not past achievements, but accountability, ways of advancing this game.


To respond to your post, I would like to point out that I think a plan has already been established via the previous games strategies. Obviously the additions of Godfather and Miller, plus a slight reduction in the powers of the DT could throw a wrench in our plans, but regardless it is still a solid plan and one that I would be sticking by if elected mayor.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 06:23 GMT
#185
On March 17 2009 15:21 nemY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2009 15:13 TruthBringer wrote:
I am hoping for plans like, "i'll have a bodyguard coordinate the specials so that I and the mayor get checked" etc. Not past achievements, but accountability, ways of advancing this game.


To respond to your post, I would like to point out that I think a plan has already been established via the previous games strategies. Obviously the additions of Godfather and Miller, plus a slight reduction in the powers of the DT could throw a wrench in our plans, but regardless it is still a solid plan and one that I would be sticking by if elected mayor.

Well what is the plan? Remember this time around the mayor and sheriff have no idea who the bodyguards are and they don't know each other.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 06:25 GMT
#186
I guess I would also like to hear what candidates will do with their day 1 lynch if mayor and what they will do with the sheriff power if elected.
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 17 2009 06:50 GMT
#187
I vote for nemy
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
nemY
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States3119 Posts
March 17 2009 06:58 GMT
#188
On March 17 2009 15:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2009 15:21 nemY wrote:
On March 17 2009 15:13 TruthBringer wrote:
I am hoping for plans like, "i'll have a bodyguard coordinate the specials so that I and the mayor get checked" etc. Not past achievements, but accountability, ways of advancing this game.


To respond to your post, I would like to point out that I think a plan has already been established via the previous games strategies. Obviously the additions of Godfather and Miller, plus a slight reduction in the powers of the DT could throw a wrench in our plans, but regardless it is still a solid plan and one that I would be sticking by if elected mayor.

Well what is the plan? Remember this time around the mayor and sheriff have no idea who the bodyguards are and they don't know each other.


Lol whoops back to the drawing board
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 17 2009 07:15 GMT
#189
nevermind, I retract the vote for nemy
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
March 17 2009 07:35 GMT
#190
Haha any plan that relies on previous game plans is destined to fail. We made sure of that.

Elected roles will have to be judged on their own credentials and prove themselves worthy of having any trust.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 07:56 GMT
#191
The only ones I could see as confirming themselves through an ability to be innocent this game are the Detectives, which wouldn't be able to do so until the second night and would have to expend a role check to do so (effectively making it so he won't be able to use a beneficial role check until the fourth night).

However it wouldn't be difficult for a Mafia to fake it as a Detective since there aren't a whole lot of roles. The only way I see to confirm a Detective as being one would be for the person they inspect to be willing to sacrifice themselves in a lynch to confirm that the Detective did know what role they were. Mafia could of course get a lucky guess out of it if they tried to fake role-claim Detective.

Ex: Someone claims to be a Detective and runs for Sheriff. Someone else volunteers to sacrifice themselves for the cause. The Sheriff role checks that player during Night Two. At the beginning of Day Three the Sheriff publicly says what the person's role was and then we proceed to lynch that person. If the Sheriff was correct then we know he is a Detective (or a lucky-guessing Mafia)

The Detective would not be able to just use a role check like normal and then proclaim the next day. The reason for this is that Mafia know who each other are and it would be easier for them to just say they inspected someone who is Mafia, we lynch that Mafia member and would then have reason to believe that he is safe. I don't know that it is worth it to Mafia to sacrifice one of their own in order to gain a position, but I'd say not to give them a chance in the first place.

This would take some time before we really know any confirmation from this and the work going through it doesn't really gain anything except the knowledge that our Mayor and Sheriff are not Mafia. Additionally the Mafia will know who two of our three Detectives are (even though they would be more protected by Bodyguards). The Bodyguards would essentially be guarding Detectives which ensures that an important role is getting extra protection.
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semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 08:00 GMT
#192
Coordinating the "uninformed majority" doesn't seem like it is going to happen very easily this game.

Additionally the Bodyguards should not make themselves known to those they are protecting. The reason obviously being that one of the two elected officials may be Mafia and that would help them remove the Bodyguards and kill the other elected official, essentially stripping the town the special abilities granted by the elected roles.
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Malongo
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Chile3472 Posts
March 17 2009 08:01 GMT
#193
Theres almost no way to make a 100% good choice for the town so ill go with someone that has worked there before and seems to care about the town.
#I vote Caller for sheriff
And honestly all the BC stuff is rare to say the least.
Help me! im still improving my English. An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. M. G.
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 08:06 GMT
#194
Either way I don't think that the town would gain enough by doing that to go through all that trouble and have several important roles publicly revealed in the process As this plan doesn't actually untie any of the town, it only ensures that the election is won by someone who is innocent.

And a Mafia would be able to get away with it long enough before confirmation to do some damage while simultaneously mucking up the plan.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 08:10 GMT
#195
Anyone want to comment on my Pika Chu analysis?
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 17 2009 08:17 GMT
#196
On March 17 2009 17:10 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Anyone want to comment on my Pika Chu analysis?

The analysis makes sense to me... even though I think any clue brought up on the first day seems to have a high chance of not holding true. If Mayor I would lean toward lynching Pika Chu... but really we don't even have much of anything else to go off of yet anyway.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2009 08:18 GMT
#197
Ok everyone, unlike the flashy gimicks of caller, I offer substance to my platform!.

to start with heres my portfolio.

Name: BloodyC0bbler
Mafia experience: 5(6 if you count callers as two go's), 1 game run, 1 game co hosted

Looking at just the one stat alone, I have the experience to lead this town to victory!
In mafia 2, I was town aligned and we won, mafia 3 we as town dominated the mafia, mafia 4 was ruined by a jerkoff so well, can't really say much there. Tracils game ended early, but my side was winning. Callers first game ended day one with VI win, and his second game I as VI won.

I have a high precident of winning the games on the side im part of, with ability, and luck like that, I would be an obvious goodluck charm for the town.

Now, witha ll the extra things I do on TL (PX, Location thread, etc...) You guys know I spend way to much time here, giving me the most amount of time to really jump ontop of things, I can analyze clues well which is helpful in your sheriff.

That is my background,

As for what I will do for the town to win.

As sheriff or mayor, I will help guide the town where I can doing what I do best, Analysis. I can analyze clues, behaviour of players and guide us in a winning direction.

As sheriff, I can jail 4 people in a game once per person, this allows me to save potential targets from mafia in a night, or jail the mafia lowering their KP.

As mayor I can guide us towards killing the right suspect, and with a day 1 auto lynch, kill the person who is the most fishy to the town, but in the end, that will come to a consensus among the town first.


Now for a plan.
We all know the town works better when organized, as such, neither mayor nor sheriff can guide this town to victory without being under suspect (we always flip as mayor or sheriff regardless of any other role).

So heres the plan.

Medics protect veteran players early. When one of them takes a hit, the medic should roleclaim to that person AND that person should claim they took a hit. That person then gets checked. They get the medic checked as well. If BOTH check out, they both come out and serve as figureheads for the town. They coordinate blue abilities but keep information on to the town.

When the person is hit they speak up. The sheriff then locks him up, protecting him from night hits while a dt checks him out. Once verified we repeat process with med, and have two figureheads, as opposed to the regular one.

In the event the person who is hit doesnt speak up, the medic speaks up, we verify them first, then the one hit after.

This is our best chance at getting town leadership quickly.
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Ver
Profile Joined October 2008
United States2186 Posts
March 17 2009 08:19 GMT
#198
On March 17 2009 17:10 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Anyone want to comment on my Pika Chu analysis?


Seems pretty solid but I think we should wait until after the election to focus on this kind of stuff.

Right now we need to have a solid plan and leadership structure. There are definitely ways to do this and I have some ideas of my own that aren't fully fleshed out yet but I'm hoping we have some candidates with good proposals that allow the town to work together more effectively.

What could be useful is if we use Pika chu, assuming nothing else comes up, as an agreed upon first lynch. We need the mayor (and sheriff too of course) to be held accountable for his actions and a pre-determined lynch is an important part of this.
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BloodyC0bbler
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Canada7876 Posts
March 17 2009 08:19 GMT
#199
On March 17 2009 17:01 malongo wrote:
Theres almost no way to make a 100% good choice for the town so ill go with someone that has worked there before and seems to care about the town.
#I vote Caller for sheriff
And honestly all the BC stuff is rare to say the least.


I began running on page 2 so no, not rare
#3 Member of the Chill Fanclub / Rhaegar fought nobly. Rhaegar fought valiantly. Rhaegar fought honorably. And Rhaeger died. --Ser Jorah Mormont TL MAFIA FORUM http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 go go !
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 17 2009 08:25 GMT
#200
On March 17 2009 17:19 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 17 2009 17:01 malongo wrote:
Theres almost no way to make a 100% good choice for the town so ill go with someone that has worked there before and seems to care about the town.
#I vote Caller for sheriff
And honestly all the BC stuff is rare to say the least.


I began running on page 2 so no, not rare

I didn't really notice you beginning to run on page 2 and it still seems weird some people voted for you without saying why and some people said it was based on some pms and irc when pressed and it even looks like some less than super active people noticed you were running immediately and voted without waiting for other candidates to say anything... everything might check out and im not really suspicious of you but i feel safer voting for caller or nemy at this point... of course last time (in aces mafia world) we criticized someone for bandwagoning I think they turned out ok and we ended up electing the godfather...
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