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On December 31 2008 03:41 nemY wrote: Hey guys. I'm a DT and I R/C'd ace and he came up red. So you all know what to do. + Show Spoiler + JUST KIDDING I think we should kill him, based off of three things. Your role call, the fact that the michael jackson clue clearly points to Ace. Ace is black and tries to look smart(which is a white person trait) and michael jackson is racially confused. The third being that I am a Jack and I role checked Ace again. k guyz all lynch Ace. Again. | ||
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On December 31 2008 07:24 JeeJee wrote: btw, I'd like to point out that RoL was ruining mafia games 10 years before he was born. That is skill some can only dream of. Oh and I have been at work since 3PM today and missed all the fun, I came home at around 11:30 and had car trouble, I will post something constructive in around 45 minutes when I am done reading. | ||
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Lets just lynch oczec, I swear to god he is pissing me off, hes the village idiot every fucking game, regardless of whatever role he receives. Jesus Christ I don't even know how one goes to achieve that level of stupid. I am going to go check the vote list and just side the the minority probably. And for the record, I disagree STILL with the logic of lynching the accuser when he is sane. It is stupid. However in these circumstances we need both of them dead to have any tangible information to work with. I say lynch mikey, Vigi BC based on results? I am really tired and at this point it is hard for me to think strait and about all the possibilities, so I don't really know what to do. But seriously AZ, I hate you. | ||
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On December 31 2008 15:33 JeeJee wrote: whoa RoL that's a little mean to ozcec don't you think. He just causes sheer chaos regardless of his role, and he was PMing me as I was reading the thread and just not making sense. In M5 (Callers first one) he just posted insanity and confusion as a towny, we left him alive because it was hilarious how confused he made everyone (I was mafia) at this point he is maintaining how he posted in the other games, but its just confusing regardless of what role he is, he is helping the mafia, not us. | ||
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On December 31 2008 21:05 AttackZerg wrote: to get ocz3c to stop messaging you tell him you'll fucking kill him every time and he stops after 3x. Your insanity never ceases to amuse me. You suicidal bastard. | ||
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On December 31 2008 22:45 0cz3c wrote: Or maybe he's lying about that to either get one hit from mafia or several hits from mafia. Regardless, I'm not distributing out the role he gave me. It's between him and me. Edit: I've gotten at least 10 other roles roles by the way. I'm assuming that at least five are genuine. There were also many wise cracks, which I did my best to play along with. By the way, RoL, I really enjoyed your PMs. My responses made perfect sense. You just need to re-look them and learn how to read them. Ver, I'm still awaiting that PM from you. Not giving those other roles I discovered, either. (one of them was the already dead medic -.-) I WILL FUCKING KILL YOU. | ||
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Since we think BC is the VI, we should just lynch someone random, vigi him. I think if we Lynch 0cz3c and Vigi hit BC then we can get rid of all the chaos in this game and focus the towns train of thought. I am going to change my vote from here on to 0cz3c, in an attempt to get him lynched over latham for what I believe to be better reasons then Vers. Rest of vers arguments were good, his conclusion was a little meh. | ||
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Just a rough estimate would be good? | ||
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I would prefer to just let you cause your usual turmoil in the public eye, confuse people, and then just reap the benefits of you being alive and increasing our kill power. I doubt you will be getting into any town circles and infiltrating, but its also hard for people to pin you either way, since regardless of your role you cause chaos for the town. Which is HILARIOUS to watch as mafia, trust me. | ||
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ROL IS DRUNK HAHAHAHAHA aim for cyber, linkinparrk2289 | ||
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On January 02 2009 01:52 chaoser wrote: and RoL effectively ended the game cause Ace was GD lol Not to mention very few actually pinned me ass the VI at the time :D that is why I didn't get lynched. I was aiming for a day 2 lynch with mass chaos. We never actually got to day 2 though. | ||
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the godfather was the worst of them all. The rockstar lynch would of been bad for town, and hard for me. If I accused the RS and he role claimed his RS status, then no one else would call him out and I would get lynched/killed/found out. The godfather would of just turned the game hilarious, I actually never considered the possibility of Ace being godfather until after he yelled about it when he knew he was going to die. That would of resulted in a very confused town, and a very fucked mafia. | ||
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and yeah, I basically had a plan assuming a lynched a townie, if I got a mafia I would just start playing completely retarded and forcing the town to lynch everyone who called me the VI rofl, then hopefully they would kill me. | ||
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On January 03 2009 06:39 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: lynching oczec is not likely to lower mafia killing strength. the confusion he causes is secondary to the position we are in right now I think if we base it off behavior, he acts the same in every mafia game which makes him very dangerous. He acts anti town 24/7 when he IS TOWN. So when hes mafia and he is causing chaos, it won't look any different. Just my opinion, if we get a better candidate I will change my vote. | ||
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Either way you guys want to vote, I will change but right now I still believe oczec is the best lynch candidate based on behavior and someone above mentioned a PM they had with oczec, where he said he would stop this crap but didn't. So now it looks like he MAY have gotten his cover (if that is true) If oczec pops as townie, then he either lied to TruthBringer about stopping his bullshit, or TruthBringer lied to us about his conversation with oczec. I guess we will find out when oczec dies, then decide what to do from there. I advocate a double lynch on heroes and oczec, but its up to you. Heroes is just to make you guys happy, I think the clue is relatively weak. | ||
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On January 03 2009 11:58 HeRoS)Pink wrote: from this post I say rebirthoflegend is mafia. lynching 1 townie is ok but why 2? you think that the clue is weak but still agree to lynch me just to make everyone happy? wtf? how are we gonna win this game if we lynch everyone to make everyone else happy? At the very least I want oczec dead, based on the way hes acting and that new PM we just saw, its more than believable that he is mafia. I think your clue is relatively weak, yours was the Wu-tang = gravediggaz thing, correct? While I applaud someone finding that, I think its weak. But if they are so hung up on lynching you, I would rather kill 2 people, 1 town, 1 mafia. Then kill 1 town. get it? I am too tired to actually think right now otherwise I would do some behavior/clue analysis. Someone should PM me and bring me into a circle, I am getting lonely over here. | ||
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We need to start double lynching and hitting red each time, or we are going to lose. We need to play catch up with the mafia, and I can't do that by myself, and I have no one to work with. So I am officially facing a situation where to do anything takes an incredible amount of effort. | ||
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But Caller, Give us half the mafia, k? | ||
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On January 03 2009 15:08 Night[Mare wrote: just a tip town, im not mafia im just uninterested here :p Did you recently change your name? It looks different to me for some reason o_O? | ||
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REBIRTHOFLEGEND IS NOW FUCKING IN CHARGE. Everyone vote for 0cz3c for right now. I want to see him get lynched. I think his behavior doesn't match with the PM exchange he had with truthbringer. If a VoteRigger is here, please rig the vote for a double lynch. Someone count the votes, and balance them accordingly. Currently the tally looks like this: Lucas: 3 0cz3c: 3 heros)Pink: 6 pink is most likely getting the lynch, I would prefer more votes on 0cz3c, but lucas had some suspicious blue circle leak. So either one we need the double lynch on to clear some shit up. However, I think waiting on lucas is a better Idea, I think there are 2 people from that circle left, if one is mafia there is a good chance they will try to get the last circle member anyway (if hes blue) So I think pink and 0cz3c are our best options for now. right now we NEED more votes on 0cz3c. So some people need to get active and vote/change votes. | ||
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Any DT, feel free to find a way to contact me with your vote check results and I WILL post them publicly. However you do it is your decision, direct messaging or proxi account. | ||
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FU Caller. | ||
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Now we still have to contend with 0cz3c's annoying persona which is probably due to him being mafia based on the PM with TruthBringer, that flipping off 0cz3c as red/green/blue could give a slight amount of incite into TB's alignment. However now we must wait another day in order to do it. | ||
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On January 05 2009 09:22 RaGe wrote: Caller, what kind of mafia does a recruited mafia member become? I always thought it was based on their role, they get the powers of a blue or a green, just now as a red. Like when the Silencer was recruited in BC's mafia game. | ||
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Yep, we are still boned lulz. So Ver, did we lynch you yet for being mafia? | ||
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On January 06 2009 08:43 Caller wrote: So you want me to make even easier clues...? I never said that rofl, I just haven't really been playing that well this game. I have been lazy and the Michael Jackson clues irritate me, so I haven't really read them. Edit: Another thing, with the towns current inactivity and no fucking vote checks we are going to get owned by mafia stacking if we don't focus who we are trying to kill, etc. We don't even have list checks to scare them away from stacking, so the stunt we pulled in BCs mafia is likely to happen again in a day or 2. I am going to change my vote to midnight, worse comes to worst, hes innocent, malongo is a dick, RoL is pissed. | ||
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On January 06 2009 10:23 Tensai176 wrote: What are the reasons for lynching Midnight Gladius? And what do you mean if he doesn't flip red, just lynch me instead? I don't think we're in a peachy position enough to just go off wasting our lynches. He need a DT to come and fucking get some role checks/list checks, something to fucking go on. But I assume this is all going on behind the curtain where I am ignorant of. DT Role checks are useless until we figure out who is insane and who isn't. The Jack checks are the only reliable ones. I am assuming one of 2 situations. 1. Malongo is a second Jack/Sane DT (Roles are generated randomly, it is possible for second jack) 2. Malongo was contacted by a DT (whose aware of their sanity), a Second Jack, or a douche bag mafia and he is now a mouthpiece for him. if hes mafia its a retarded fake, we kill midnight, we then kill him based on MGs alignment. Losing them a mafia. Even we kill MG and hes mafia, it doesn't rule out malongo being mafia, but it gives us a kill, so who cares? He also offered his life pretty fast, so I doubt hes a mouthpiece. You should usually give yourself some wiggle room if your info is from someone else, he didn't. My conclusion. His information is firsthand, or hes a retarded mafia. I believe it is first hand. I hope he confirmed his sanity/insanity. If he didn't, he is a douche and we are fucked anyway. | ||
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On January 06 2009 10:02 Caller wrote: kill this man he is mafia actually i dont have my list so i dont know but kill him anyways lol, I know most mafia read a lot and don't post to hide themselves from saying something stupid. But check BCs game, I was a mafia and I never shut the fuck up. that behavior analysis doesn't work on me :/ Edit: I would also never out myself so easy, come on, what do I look like? AttackZerg? | ||
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haha, I thought you meant that due to my behavior of reading but not posting meant I was likely mafia, but now rereading, you are probably just annoyed by my intense hatred of Michael Jackson based clues. If it makes you feel better, I read the first 2 days at least once. The third one I just skimmed for names :D | ||
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On January 06 2009 10:52 malongo wrote: ok this is a real gamble by me but the other option is going into mikeymoo or lucaswoj. Since i really think mikeymoo is valuable for the town and im not sure about lucaswoj i ask again the town to go with me and switch to MG. Im dont intend to defend lucaswoj in fact if we had a double lynch id like nevake+lucaswoj better, but this is the best i can do for now. Worst case scenario mm get lynched as he wants, or MG turns green inactive and i get the fucking zonk on my face (but this will reveal some alignements for the town too) sorry town im too out of the main roles to do much more. I am going to ask you strait out, are you a mouthpiece or is this first hand? | ||
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On January 06 2009 12:02 AttackZerg wrote: You know what ROL, I'm tired of your little digs at me. Guess what guys, ROL is red, he is actuall the mafia doctor. P.S, sorry caller! I'm tired of getting gay teamates. lul! | ||
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I hate this fucking game. AttackZerg, go kill yourself. Why the fuck do you insist on ruining mafia games? Your post just fucked the town even more, I am guessing both vote riggers acted today? Or can someone double shot their powers? Either way, no more AZ in mafia games. After the last 2 games being totally buttfucked, I really hope we have someone who runs a good mafia game. Whoever runs the next mafia game, I think you should keep it simple, just so everyone knows whats going on. All these roles add to confusion and make the game really hard to play for people who can't read this game like its the god damn bible. Every game everything alters a lot, its irritating. I think I might run a mafia game, just so I can make it simple and hopefully have an active and good game. We seriously need a ban list for future games though. BC/Ace/Caller PM me, I want to set up a list to decide who we are going to exclude, just so we all have the same list. Oh and with my last words, I would sincerely appreciate it if you guys would kill Ver tomorrow, this is based purely on behavior and is what I was going to try to do. Caller props to you, this was a valiant attempt, but I think you compromised the DT roles way too much. Maybe just give them one list check, infinite clue checks and 2-3 role checks? Double clue was kind of useless I think. I also think you made the town too unstable. We had no idea of role counts, while the mafia knew at least their half. We had to deal with moles, godfathers, and INSANE FUCKING DTs. I understand that you think the game is balanced, and I am not sure what exactly the mafia is complaining about, however I just know it was a pain in the ass to try to figure out who was what based off of roles, and all the other crap we had to be suspicious of. I think we need to figure out a way to fix the DT role call shit on day one. Maybe insert a rule that if you role call DT before day 2 you get modkilled? While still allowing role checking because I think that is a powerful way to set up alliances and behind the scenes town action early on. I know that would be my first action on any day, I would look for an ally. However I think if you find an enemy you shouldn't cause Mafia 3 Folca type chaos, regardless of how effective it is, I don't see why every game should start like that. I don't believe insanity was a good cure for that scenario in any case. GL Town. | ||
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That is incredibly douche. Also we still disagree on the logic of lynching the role caller on day 1. I think depending on the roles in the game, it changes. But without insane DTs, we should usually aim for the accused. I am not going to justify this again. | ||
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That is rare imo, and a very hard circumstance to pull off, I would still keep the accuser "DT" under scrutiny until I am proven otherwise. Plus BC, you were retarded with the way you were talking and with your role, you had to be VI. I just wish we lynched someone else and vigi'd you out of the game. but whatever! | ||
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On January 06 2009 14:31 Ace wrote: And this is the trap you keep falling for. The mafia know this, and they'll keep doing it. What dont you get? As the DT you can't prove anything on Day 1, and no one else is going to out themselves to confirm you are mafia or not. So the mafia has everything to gain by posing as a DT on Day 1. Anything they say can't be debated. Hence, anyone who claims DT and pins someone as mafia has to be lynched FIRST if there is no third lynch option. What does the mafia keep doing? I haven't seen ONE mafia game where a mafia faked DT. In the long run it doesn't seem to benefit mafia to fake the DT in that situation. There is also only ONE thing the DT can say that can't be debated. The person he accused is mafia, we can't say hes wrong or anything until hes dead. However just because you are a DT it doesn't mean your clue analysis or behavior analysis is any better than someone else. So you only have one thing to base it all off of. What exactly does the mafia gain from this? Besides getting a +1 kill then losing a mafia? A mild amount of town confusion that is all disregarded after one day/night cycle? | ||
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On January 06 2009 14:48 Ace wrote: You haven't seen it because Tl.net doesn't have enough people to do it. If you get a great player killed then it's worth 1 mafia. If you get another mafia player killed, and no one bothers to check you all game it's worth it. Last game Qatol got Ver killed, I was the mouthpiece. Now imagine if I lied and there was no mouth piece and got the real DTs killed. Then what? If the Fake DT gets your only jack lynched then what? See, you guys keep thinking it won't happen because it hasn't happened yet. Seriously, a lot of TL Mafia games come down to Major bouts of luck with the exception of the first 2. Even though in Mafia 2 there were lucky/unlucky breaks none of it is like what's happened in the past few games. The reason why all the good players are targeted first is because majority of the people playing either go inactive, just don't care to play for their side to win, or just fucking suck. Like I said, we have different views on this matter, neither of us are going to change ours. What you just suggested involves a lot of luck guessing on mafia part, they basically have to say "Okay, pick random guy, hope hes a good role and its worth my head" I think that you are right, that a mafia could fake being a DT and out one of his own guys for trust and that no one will check him. Its a fucking BALLZY move. Requires mafia sacrifice, however I also think that after it happens one game and works, everyone will question the day 1/2 role calls. We will learn as games progress, and for the record, most people seem to agree with my logic :D But I can see where you are coming from, I just disagree about who it benefits in whatever situation. | ||
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On January 06 2009 15:30 AttackZerg wrote: Caller did fine. The town did fine. Three games in a row from the mafia side has taught me the value of luck. The only reason the town is losing is being unlucky and not listening to key players. I've seen mafia members fingered on the first few days and never mentioned. I think its very easy for mafia to lose if they are unlucky with the check lists and role checks early on. The town 2 games ago had 50% of the mafia figured out by checklists on day 3 and then slowly let random townies aka morons guide the town into misstep after mistep. What about making the Town-mayor and the Mafia-Godfather invincable to lynching,killing and make there roles announced. Take out the silencer. The right mayor and the right Godfather would make a very entertaining fight for the town. Only the godfather would have a full mafia list and only the mayor would have a full blue list. Let the fighting start there and cut out all the gimmicks. Each day the mayor has a public annoucement to the town. Every member of the game is required to make at least one post daily. Things like that would make it more fun and continue that momentum that we've get on the first few days when people are still happy about their roles. Fuck I mean the Godfather and Mayor could maybe even get to select 1 or 2 out of 5 people that they ask for be selected for their teams. Its not that hard. You are retarded, this game is about covert secrecy, hiding, deception, and plotting. Not fucking 10 vs 10 mafia vs blues war. Go play StarCraft, since you are attempting to turn mafia into an rts -_-; | ||
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We should all meet in an IRC channel, all of us meaning active mafia players, and create the list. I have a few players aim/msn now to talk with. I just think we all need an up to date list on what exactly is going to happen, whose active, whose not, etc. | ||
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oh simple explanation, when me and malongo were on mafia together in BCs game, we were doing that vote swing thing, where last minute we all slammed our votes onto 0cz3c. What happened was I changed my password to temporary for a few hours, the issue was that I had to do something, I can't remember what it was, but I think I had to hand in a paper that was due in like an hour, so I had to drive all the way to school, so voting was going to close. So I was talking with malongo and we agreed that under certain circumstances, if we could get all of the remaining mafia to become active to vote swing, that we would do it. I however was going to be AFK so I gave him my password to vote under my account at the last minute, along with everyone else. If you can check password changing timestamps or anything it syncs up. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: you and malongo are the same IP care to explain why you are playing with two accounts in mafia? | ||
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For those unaware, there was one day that for some reason 2 vote rigger powers were used, I had zero votes on me then the lynch popped and me and someone else were killed. I got voterigged and a double lynch also happened. I was so pissed and confused because literally minutes before the lynch results AttackZerg (Dead at the time) posted calling me mafia and posted a PM I sent him, which I thought influenced a vote rigger. | ||
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