[GG] Team Liquid Mafia - Resurrection

On December 15 2008 15:02 Scaramanga wrote:

If ver flips red, we get him to check someone else if he dosent or lies we lynch

On December 15 2008 15:09 chaoser wrote:


that's the thing, he can say mafia members are townies as well as other townies are townies and so on. he doesn't have to lie all the time, just some of the time. and from time to time they can sac, another mafia or something. either way we're being swayed by this one person and he/she gets a lot more power than anyone else and at the same time we have no idea who they are except for one or two people who may or may not be mafia. it's all about trust. once trust gets established, we're less likely to question that person and people who we haven't developed trust in but do question them will be suspected as mafia. and we don't have another 100% sure dt on our side yet to check this one. let's just let this play out before we start placing trust in people.

On December 15 2008 15:49 Ver wrote:

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1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario.

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On December 15 2008 15:55 Scaramanga wrote:


Dude honestly are you thick or not reading my post, if ver is green well then gw we lynch the fake dt and bam we've traded a mafia for a townie gj, if ver and this dt are both mafia then we get this dt to rolecheck someone else to get a townie web, if he dosent check then we lynch him, either way we get 1-2 townies or a web of people working together

On December 15 2008 16:07 Vivi57 wrote:


Even then, one less mafia would be good for the town.

If nothing else, ace's post says that we need to carefully watch him to see who's side he's really on.

1. If Ver turns up mafia then we need to check out ace to make sure he's not sacrificing one of his own to gain a list of blues.

2. If Ver turns up green or blue, we need to get the name of ace's dt and decide if we want to lynch ace or his "dt"

Either way, it will give the town a direction, even if the clues aren't good on the next day

On December 15 2008 16:19 Camlito wrote:


If ver is actually mafia this bandwagon is justified. People can see something as good and agree with what ace found, it's not like they read the name of someone who posted and see "ACE" and just agree with him.

On December 15 2008 16:28 Camlito wrote:
Chaoser i know what you mean . I've just been in enough mafia games now to see that argument over and over and it just seems repeditive, but i know what you mean. You are right, but the way i read your posts it seemed you wanted to aid the delaying of vers lynch.

On December 15 2008 16:53 Scaramanga wrote:

No your not listening, im saying we should sac a dt rolecheck ace to make sure, this means we know without a doubt that he is not mafia, then hes the gotoguy

On December 15 2008 16:57 Scaramanga wrote:

No one, im saying and i quote from the post you quoted, we sac the dt so we have a go to guy,
oh and btw hyper is right, medics dont pretect him im pretty sure hes got one alredy

On December 15 2008 17:00 blue_arrow wrote:


just get the dts to check other 'valuable' and experienced players, have the dts approach these checked players, and slowly assemble a team.

if each of the dts do this we'll have at least 3 small teams, and a good chance dts will find each other and assemble together

townies can also make a decision to trust one or two other townies and form a team themselves

then as these groups establish themselves, they can approach one individual at a time to increase their numbers

isn't this sort of how the town killed the mafia in mafia 2?

On December 16 2008 03:21 Ace wrote:
no we SHOULD kill inactives. Townie or not, they aren't helping and they might as well be mafia.

Everyone knows how to use the search function. If they can't find the game by now, chances are they won't be helping us catch mafia anytime soon.

I also only want the DTs to PM me in the event they already vote checked 2 of those lists(highly doubt they did) as a way to conserve vote checks.

Stop being so paranoid

On December 16 2008 13:15 Scaramanga wrote:


And people that are sepctical about ace, hes led us to one mafia kill, based off no clue anyalsis so either he is a dt or is in contact with one but im positive that we can trust him

On December 17 2008 04:52 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
So I have been doing a lot lately, but I think I have enough time to go over my thoughts on this mafia game so far. This will mainly be about Ace and what I have observed so far and my thoughts on what we should do.

At first, I thought Ace should be trusted. I thought he was a DT who checked Ver in search of an ally to start forming a town circle around. My reasoning here is this. Ace is a very good player, and last game Ver was also exceptionally useful on the towns side. I believe Ace PMed him looking for someone to start up a town circle with, someone he could PM and talk about plans, strategies and thoughts. So he checked him. In something that is both good and bad, Ver popped red. Ver would be a very instrumental player for the mafia or the town, whoever got him. So Ace couldn't exactly ignore that.

That is where I thought he designed this whole medic/martyr plan from. He needed to be open about it and not make this entirely behind the scenes as he was initially trying to do. Now that he found out Ver, I believe he had to make the town circle moderately open and hope for adequate protection using martyr and medics.

As the night fell this seemed like a good idea, we lynched Ver he was red, the drama progressed. The day post came and two DT's are now found dead. This was extremely strange to me. The mafia either has some sort of informant or something, or statistics make a fool out of us. There is a 3/40 chance of them hitting a dt, then a 2/39 chance. IT isn't high for them to take down two.

Now for the next thing that doesn't make sense. I didn't post earlier hoping the mafia wouldn't notice this inconsistency. Ace said that "A little birdie" told him that Ver was a mafioso. That doesn't make sense. A DT gets ONE role use per day/night cycle. The DT couldn't use both role checks to check BOTH Ver and Ace. Which means the Dt would have had to blind trust Ace. Which isn't a smart thing to do without any evidence to back it up.

So that means Ace was the the DT, not someone who PMed him. Then again, the blind trust thing is possible. But unlikely.

Now the next thing. Ace gets mad several posts after the day post about how hes a Veteran and how he took a hit, and how the medics/martyrs didn't do anything.

Now to me this is "...Wait, What? Ace is a Vet?" How the hell does that make sense? It just really doesn't. Two DT's died. Ace claimed that the only one he knew was a DT was Camlito. Now the only person who an confirm whether or not Ace is lying is dead. Also he would of had to have been the one who role claimed, and now he is dead.

Camlito was very smart. He ran the lucchese family last game who would of won, I can't see him blind trusting Ace the way it would now have had to happen. During this entire period I have been PMing Ace, Upon reading that post I start PMing him with my doubts about his motives and how I don't really trust him as much anymore.

I asked for an explanation for all this, to which Ace didn't give one. I told him that if he didn't start trying to explain, I would just post everything I thought which I think would discredit him a lot.

Thus we come to this, I am debating on whether or not I should share the PMs. I will later on if I deem it necessary. For now, I don't know what to do with Ace, but I would say take everything he says with a grain of salt until we have something set in motion.

On December 17 2008 04:59 Caller wrote:


I can confirm that the DT in question is in fact a different person. They had tried to remain anonymous but a silly person leaked the name of the DT to several others, including Ace.

edit: I can also confirm that the DT rolechecked independently.

On December 17 2008 07:16 Ace wrote:


look I'm going to put this extremely fucking simple so you and your lackey just stop the nonsense:

1.) Who said I know all the blue roles?
2.) Why would I be so dumb, that on the first day of the game, with 0 clues pointing to ver, as a mafia member out him and get him killed?

Really, it's extremely simple - I'm not mafia.


Before I die tonight I'm trying to make sure the town get as much critical info as possible so that nothign is left up to you and your inner circle. The whole of you are all useless.

On December 17 2008 07:59 malongo wrote:

At night this player can send me another player's name, and if that player dies that night or any other night after the Martyr dies instead. I think the martyr is on ace already.

On December 17 2008 17:59 Scaramanga wrote:

Yeah serously, how can you not protect the person who owned mafia 3


Why you, your pointless? Cam us one of the best mafia players out there

On December 18 2008 10:33 blue_arrow wrote:
These people please post, you don't have to contribute a 2000 world analysis, just say hi or something, we must find out who was silenced:

ydg
kdog3683
Zbir
artanis[xp]
softer
kuja900
jeejee
MidnightGladius
venomo45

On December 18 2008 01:16 Caller wrote:
I guess I should come out by the way.

I am the last DT.

I gave Ace and another undisclosed secure person the Folca list and another list that I can't tell you right now, because I didn't want to suicide myself to kill one mafia-I wanted at least 3 of them down. You can confirm this with Ace.

Why am I coming out? Because I've already used my listchecks, and rolechecks would be a stab in the dark. More importantly I'm pretty sure I'm already targeted for being an active townie, so hopefully this way I can get some medic protection. And I feel I need to defend Ace's integrity here from all these false allegations.

Ace I am pretty sure is innocent, otherwise I would be dead, no?

Vigs should go hit capek and fishball as I am highly positive that attackzerg is just a stupid townie.

edit: As for medics, if you want to protect me, please pm me before you do so.

edit 2: misspoke lol

On December 18 2008 10:58 MoRe_mInErAls wrote:
This ain't fucking Shakespeare. Let's use words we all understand

On December 19 2008 05:43 Ace wrote:
AZ was going to be found out ANYWAY.

And see, THIS is why I said the "other townie alliance" was stupid. I never trusted AZ to begin with because I said no one could be that dumb and you guys sent him the information anyway.

Genius.