[GG] Team Liquid Mafia - Resurrection

On December 13 2008 17:06 clazziquai wrote:


##I VOTE FOR SCARAMANGA

On December 15 2008 03:01 Hyperbola wrote:

sorry caller, didn't notice your post there. Scaramanga seems to actually be our best clue so far! Think about it:
- picture with a person holding up a liquid:


-also his name: Scaramanga, the liquid scars people, it even burns people's faces off.

-and also from his quote: "SaiR is next Bonjwa" it sounds a lot like “Your time of running things is over, our time is now”

It seems Scaramanga is actually our best bet to get a mafia.

AND ALSO

Everybody: switch your votes from folca! It does not matter how much of a jerk he was last game! With no clues against him, he is 80% most likely to be innocent.

On December 15 2008 09:43 Tensai176 wrote:
Yeah the clues against scarmanga are pretty damn weak...

On December 15 2008 12:06 zeks wrote:
many of the participants this game don't really have much of a profile to gather clues on

so it might be a reason for bloodyc0bbler to keep it more simple...

On December 15 2008 12:39 Scaramanga wrote:
Guys change your vote to Ver
Hes known mafia thanks to a dt
If this checks out blues pm your roles to ace and we'll get a town web happening

On December 15 2008 14:00 Scaramanga wrote:

OKOK Dont do this, ive gotta get some shit sorted first

On December 15 2008 14:43 chaoser wrote:
personally I don't trust this whole "ver is mafia cause dt said so" because what's the source? we could technically all go around saying "BLANK is mafia, a dt told me" why would a dt tell anyone they are dt unless they 100% trusted them. and since it's the first day, there's no reason to 100% trust anyone. since we don't know who the dt is, there's no reason we should be swayed by his words since they have no real weight behind them.

On December 15 2008 14:57 chaoser wrote:
ok, lets say ver turns up red, does that necessarily mean whoever said he was mafia (the "dt") ISN'T actually mafia. They just saced a mafia to gain our trust and so we end up telling them our roles/trust them on matters, and they use it against us

On December 15 2008 15:22 chaoser wrote:


sorry about the double post. but i had something else to add >_>;; if we ask this person to check another person (cause they wre right about ver) and they say townie, then what? we trust them? we test his word by lynching the person he said was townie? if he's actually townie, we just killed someone innocent good job. how do we check everything he says? he could be telling the truth till he has enough of our trust to start lying. you could say we will sooner of later find ways to check what he's saying based on clues/we figure out who else is a dt but i don't like to place my bets on the future and what COULD happen so i'm just saying, take everything with a grain of salt. a huge one.

On December 15 2008 15:49 Ver wrote:
To start off, it seems more than a little strange that I'm being targeted without having made a single post. My reasons for that are below, but all the same, even if a DT followed what Ace suggested in the thread, there is very little reason why that DT would not check Ace himself as he is at least as dangerous/helpful as me if not even moreso. Lastly, why would the DT pm Ace of all people to be his mouthpiece, given that if he's mafia he's one of the most dangerous/the most dangerous person in the game and you don't want to give him a big head start by knowing a DT. He cannot know both that I am mafia and Ace innocent this early. Thus either this 'DT' is being really stupid or there is a greater scheme going on here.

The fact that everyone is taking this accusation at face value and bandwagoning me does not show a healthy minded town. I got accused out of nowhere and only one person questions these proceedings. Everyone is just bandwagoning from one target to another on the flimsiest of reasons. Killing Folca for last game is just dumb. Clues on day 1 are not a sufficient reason to kill Scar, but at the same time, posting a screenshot doesn't prove anything. Isn't that right, shallow[bay]? Then people voted for some random zombie who can equally be a clueless mafia or clueless townie. And now everyone jumps on me once I'm 'supposedly' guilty. As if anything can be proven this early. Quit the bandwagoning (folca->scar->veno-> me all in 1 day seriously lol) and think critically. Only 1 person so far is even questioning what's going on and everyone just dismisses him.

This would normally be a battle of arguing/my word vs Ace's. However, the fact that he say's he was informed I was a mafia from someone else makes this considerably more complex than a kill one then kill the other if wrong situation. Consider the two likely scenarios:

1) I am mafia, Ace and the DT are legit. Lynching me straight up is best case scenario.

2) I am innocent, and either Ace or the 'DT' are mafia. Here lynching me immediately puts us in a big hole. Ace can of course call out the 'DT' as mafia, but Ace could easily be mafia yourself fingering an innocent person. Or the mafia member posing as 'DT' could argue to get Ace killed. Thus the town gets considerably behind and either loses two of it's most valuable thinkers for 1 mafia (great great trade for them) or loses 1 analyst for 1 mafia, which is still a pretty poor trade for the town considering mafia KP is rounded up.

The point is that except for option 1 the town is going to be stuck in a very messy situation that will take several days to extricate fully and could potentially result in myself and Ace both being innocent and dying from the town itself. Or just as bad, I turn up innocent, Ace as mafia gets the town to kill the DT who didn't check Ace first and wastes two days of lynching again. Or Ace can prioritize his survival and kill the DT in the night. If you blindly rush the gun here you are betting on the fact that I am mafia and are way behind if I turn up innocent.

Thus I propose an offshoot of Alventenie's plan from game 3. Let us both live. Force the mafia to make a decision of who to kill. Unlike in Alventenie's plan, I cannot offer anything more than being a townie. But I am an exceedingly valuable townie in my analyses and plans, as the inner circle people last game can attest to (which is likely why I was fingered for this). And also analysis/plans are very easy to check on to see if I uphold myself logically as I consistently have before. If I don't hold myself accountable to this, then bam dead. The same goes for Ace and the results of this 'alleged' DT too.

Therefore, give us an extension till tomorrow to figure out a better target BC. I can stay up for an hour or so to debate but then I must sleep.

Edit: Finished an incomplete sentence (added 'argue to get Ace killed. ' in paragraph 2) )

On December 15 2008 16:01 zeks wrote:
"posting a screenshot doesn't prove anything. Isn't that right, shallow[bay]?" - Ver

in regards to scaramanga's screenshot

from what i see the screenshot is kinda cut off so we can't see ur name on the top left - seems like the img was resized for some reason

i think its fishy that this supposed dt picked Ver of all people to check: i dont really see many strong clues against him, and i dont think anyone has posted an analysis on him thus far...

if what ace says is truth, then:
1. this dt must have some sort of bond with ace previously for him to trust Ace right from the get go
2. this dt lucked out (or is super smart) and picked Ver out of all ppl to check (20% chance to land a red)

i agree with ver, quit bandwagoning blindly

On December 15 2008 16:07 Vivi57 wrote:


Even then, one less mafia would be good for the town.

If nothing else, ace's post says that we need to carefully watch him to see who's side he's really on.

1. If Ver turns up mafia then we need to check out ace to make sure he's not sacrificing one of his own to gain a list of blues.

2. If Ver turns up green or blue, we need to get the name of ace's dt and decide if we want to lynch ace or his "dt"

Either way, it will give the town a direction, even if the clues aren't good on the next day

On December 15 2008 16:23 Camlito wrote:


Failing as usual already, decaf. Lol.

Can't wait for next set of clues to find a coffee clue and automatically kill you :D.

On December 15 2008 16:33 Ver wrote:
I'm speechless.

I wouldn't have minded being lynched if we debated it out and I got outargued by Ace or something and ended up dying. If that's how the game goes so be it.

But I barely get to post my defense because the game started super fast without warning, people start realizing the flaws in the argument against me (which there are, whether I am mafia or not this is fact), and I get lynched before my side has any time to convince the bandwagoners.

....

On December 15 2008 16:37 nevake wrote:
I didn't think lynching Ver would be the best thing to do, but the outcome is the best one we could have hoped for. Now the mafia lose one of their better players, and despite their killing power, it's still -1.

What we have to do now is make sure that Ace or his source can be trusted. Since there's almost no way (unless by random pm's and blind trust) that Ace got in contact with a DT so early, he is hinting that he himself is the DT. Someone check Ace and make sure he's clean, work with him, we'll go from there.

On December 15 2008 16:46 chaoser wrote:
ace is NOT our go to guy till he gets proven without a doubt to be truthful and that itself is very hard to do. even if another dt checks him to be mafia, that dt now has to choose someone to confide in and that is a risk in itself unless that dt already checked out a townie.

On December 15 2008 16:54 chaoser wrote:


and i'm saying even if a dt rolechecks, who is the dt going to confide in with the information? who can he trust?

On December 15 2008 17:20 AttackZerg wrote:
(Edit: Thx for the general tips bl00dychobler and chaoser you guy rock.)

On December 16 2008 10:29 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't think the images have much to do with the mafia, I mean maybe bc just wanted to swerve away from the normal mafia pictures. It doesn't seem like the pictures have been used as clues in any other mafia games that I am aware of, nor does it seem like a custom to do it. I think to be safe, we should see if the day clues link to any mafia, then see if those mafia match with the stargate criteria. but we shouldn't reserve the stargate thing is being truly important. Unless his clue giving involved a lot of pictures to begin with, which it doesn't.

I say for the moment, stop focusing on the stargate clues. That is just stupid.

I trust Ace right now, but I would prefer to have a DT confirmation to back it. However I also don't want to throw away a valuable DT, so I am not sure what to do yet. I am about to check into Ace's Martyr plan, but I doubt that he hasn't checked into it yet, so I am sure its solid. This is good because we get to confirm paramedics for other prominent players while not risking the medics to the suicide bomber.

On December 16 2008 12:13 Caller wrote:
fyi dts can check list of nonvoters

On December 16 2008 13:21 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


it honestly doesn't make much sense in my mind. I imagine the townies lining up, casting their votes on folded pieces of paper into the ballot box. The astute detective then covertly examines the handwriting and fingerprints, to determine whether a ballot was indeed the ballot of a mafia. How can he analyze a vote that hasn't been cast?

On December 17 2008 11:28 Mynock wrote:
OK people, let's not get too carried away here. 1 person deduces something from 2 words in a single sentence and it's enough to warrant a bandwagon on my head. I have my reasons to play this one silently, as you can see I have been too busy to check this thread in the last 24 hours, and this is how it is right now for me.

I won't plead, I won't provide you with any counter-arguments, no clues to analyze, I have 0 time for that ATM.

Just stick to logic and do the following: regardless of who gets lynched, check those who started the vote train on me, and suspect those who join in at the very end. Those of you who are not sure they want to lynch me, vote for someone else. If there is any mafia on the train, they will either want to jump on at the very end if they see the difference isn't high, or they will abandon ship at the last moment to spread themselves out evenly.

Those who did vote for me already, STAY there. Everybody else, vote for the prime suspects, the 2/4. It will help with further behaviour analysis.

As always, think it through, and act on logic.

Oh, and for christ's sake, you can trust Ace for now, it's pretty obvious.

On December 17 2008 16:38 Camlito wrote:


I see. FBH must be mafia?

On December 17 2008 17:49 Camlito wrote:
I would like to say again these medics suck.

On December 17 2008 17:57 chaoser wrote:
not to be rude but you're dead camlito, so no posting in the thread? also, the medics are kinda bad for not really noticing the clues but then again, maybe they were protecting other people they thought needed protection?

as ace had suggested, scar and i needed it?

On December 17 2008 18:59 AttackZerg wrote:

I think the medics respected[i] Ace and were off depending non targets.

JUST MY OPINIONFOIANSDOTHAUSDHAFUISBDTUBASDUFBAUSBDf

On December 17 2008 19:11 Ace wrote:



hahahahahahahaahahahahahaahahhahahaha

On December 17 2008 19:20 AttackZerg wrote:

vivi said that I should role call to 'maybe live the night'

I am a medic.

On December 17 2008 20:22 AttackZerg wrote:
ok I'm back in the game.

Whoever is a vig , send a hit on me tonight and pm Ace AND VIVI.

When I'm alive tomarrow Ace ask vivi why I'm alive.

GG Vig GG MAFIA haha

On December 18 2008 18:57 dinmsab wrote:


dude... how can you "LOL" ? we just lost a martyr, 2 paramedics and a vigi... wtf dude?

On December 19 2008 02:51 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
Aries - dead, was Capek

Yu - used a knife with some kind of "searing" liquid in it. poison, maybe something hot, or acid? also uses electricity. is it possible the liquid in the knife is the same liquid thrown on BC's face in day 1? i'm not sure of that because i would think the electricity and acid/poison would be connected to 2 separate mafias

Scaramanga - i don't care what pm he posted. Sair/Flash in his sig both could relate to electricity, moderate
Artanis[xp] - Artanis is a templar, may use psi-storm, weak
venomo45 - poisoned knife, very weak
clazziquai - is a korean band, Wikipedia lists their style as "electronic, acid jazz, and house." sounds a bit like Yu to me. moderate connection

Apophis - first appeared by name in Day 3. Is strong (subdued meegrean easily), and possibly cruel, he shot his kneecaps and let him die in a barrel. i think the crates and barrels are also a clue. they could relate to maybe Donkey Kong, or the US store Crate & Barrel.

Ameratsu - first appeared by name in Day 3. another really strong guy maybe, throwing a billboard or somehow detaching it from the roof. the phrase "metal embrace" is probably important here.

Chronus - likes to fight and is good at it. see Day 2 where he is fighting Camulous (rain of punhes and kicks), and the boxing ring in Day 3.
ZbiR - his name means 'thug' or 'bandit' or smth like that. is an ok connection, best i could find anyway

Camulous - was fighting Chronus in Day 2, and losing until he saw heros)pink. he killed by 'surging' past Chronus, slamming into Heros, and 'slicing' his throat. emphasis on the words that BC used.

Anubus was hiding behind a firewood display at a supermarket, kills Camlito with a single strike to the face, "stripping his life from this world."

here's a list of the names so far and who i think could be connected after a quick overview. notice how we only have 7 names. that means we are missing 2, because Ver died. please make any connections you can, or debate with mine

On December 19 2008 10:50 AttackZerg wrote:
Dude what the fuck, I'm innocent....

vivi I trust you. I told you my role, I told my my connect, I told you my plans and now everybody is dead. You and chaoser were my only allies and chaoser is dead and I'm being martyred. Good job GodFather.

On December 19 2008 12:41 TruthBringer wrote:
Fishball, I felt the exact same way. I get the impression that Scaramanga posted that to seem like a townie, because I believe he is in fact Chronus or Camulous one of the "Hwaiting" mafia guys.

But, right now, I think the two strongest leads are 1. AttackZerg (obv) 2. More_Minerals (false rolecalled DT, tried to get us to kill Showtime).

On December 19 2008 12:49 Fishball wrote:
No, I mean Scaramanga posted that way just because AZ is eventually getting lynched, and since he is also annoying as fuck, as a "joke" Scaramanga linked these two elements together to make a statement.

On December 20 2008 19:19 Vivi57 wrote:
I also want to know how we found out dinmsab

also, I found this as one of his earlier posts


Someone should look into folca

On December 20 2008 19:20 AttackZerg wrote:
god damn we fucked you guys so hard lol.

On December 20 2008 19:29 Vivi57 wrote:
I did do clue analysis after day 3. Rebirthoflegend was the strongest thing I came up with.

On December 19 2008 12:30 Scaramanga wrote:
God the towns fucked, gw stupid people that trusted az,
Well caller is our only hope being the last dt or is he?

On December 20 2008 20:10 Vivi57 wrote:
Um. Didn't aphophis just die and turned out to be dinmsab?

On December 20 2008 20:58 Vivi57 wrote:
Changed my mind

I believe ShadowDrgn is Kali

The entire kill is a *excellent* description of a dragon.

"he quickly ran up a small set of stairs, then to a window and climbed out the fire escape"

This fits wonderfully with his profile of himself doing the FireBatHero crotch dance.

On December 20 2008 23:43 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
hum, Jack is dead. but so is dinmsab, the mafia leader. I must say to the last vigi i am quite impressed.

I agree with you guys about the clues regarding shadowdrgn, the fire escape could also be a reference to a fire breathing dragon.

More clues about Camulous being adept at combat, although it's weird that he's the only mafia to be in every single day post so far. Makes me wonder about you, BC. I still think kdog3683 is the likely candidate here. Maybe ZbiR... i think he's inactive which is different than usual for him. Less so Scaramanga now who's probably townie even though this series of posts is, well, weird:



i don't understand why you wouldn't just post the list in the first place?

anyway in my opinion these are likely mafia based on clues, i think:
ShadowDrgn
softer
kdog3683
Mynock

I'll say lynch ShadowDrgn, gives us information if that DT list Scaramanga posted is correct + possibly confirm some innocents.

On December 21 2008 05:51 Vivi57 wrote:
What exactly are the clues for kdog? I never even heard his name until this page.

All I can find is "fighting" in his profile and the name dog...

That's weaker that kujas or even mynock's.

On December 21 2008 09:16 ShadowDrgn wrote:




Hey guys, don't forget that Mynock was already a suspect before that list turned up. The clues against him are way better than trying to link me to a fire escape.

Also, when the silencer silenced Malongo, there's very little chance he was actually in contact with the mafia. That means Malongo being silenced says nothing about whether he is clean or not, just that the silencer thought he wasn't mafia or thought he was mafia and was trying to be tricky!

Edit: messed up tags

On December 21 2008 20:51 Vivi57 wrote:
Ok.

I'm predicting I'll be dead in the morning so I'm posting this now.

BC offering to end the game means that the entire thing is already decided and that we can't do much against it. Probably because we've put our trust in the wrong places.


Therefore, I'm calling everyone to lynch Ace tomorrow.

Best case scenario: he flips red and we go back to clue analysis

Worst case scenario: he flips blue and we laugh since the game was already lost.


Notice how Shadowdrgn (high chance of mafia) is saying we should keep playing. Who would want to stop when they're winning? Ace wants the same.


BC wouldn't offer to end the game if we had much of a chance. Lynch ace and let the hilarity of anarchy take hold.

On December 21 2008 22:18 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Sorry for the inactivity guys, time to catch up. Can anyone give a brief summary of what I've missed?

On December 26 2008 13:17 Caller wrote:

why are you still talking
if attackzerg is talking then i should be allowed to make stupid remarks like this too