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On March 14 2008 01:58 Fishball wrote: Nice first post you got there... Seems like you just signed up TL today, just to play Mafia  Fishball you'll find that quite a few people post here on TL just for mafia. | ||
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 . Of course you would only use it for your own game. . | ||
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On March 18 2008 12:09 Falcynn wrote: I nominate randombum for mayor! ![[image loading]](http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/9612/motivator690178nc0.jpg) Thats my new profile pic. | ||
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MAFIA!!!! + Show Spoiler + You expected sparta didn't you? | ||
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That is what you recommend I do, but if I were that good, and (I'm not) if I was a mafia, then the town would be in huge trouble. I will never tell you what to do, but simply to provide what evidence I get (hopefully I can convince the town to send me roles and do what hotzhot did last game which helped the townies alot), and/or how I interpret it. Right now my main tactic is to get my name out there and hope that people who don't care too much about mayor will give it to the person who wants it most. P.S. I wish chuiu would post when he's going to start handing out roles, I'm so anxious. | ||
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Such hostility, what exactly did I do to offend you? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://img163.imagevenue.com/img.php?image=11333_you_122_1093lo.JPG) As your mayor (Courtesy of somuchbetter) | ||
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On March 18 2008 12:33 SonuvBob wrote: Chuiu's not currently logged in. Is dapperdan on? Can he do the roles. Gosh this waiting is so ahhhg.... can't describe. To pass time we can do more bum bashing. I personally think they smell rather bad. (both British bums and American bums.) | ||
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I also concede the fact that having a better answer would be a good thing. I was just pointing out that having a better answer all the time and able to change other people's opinion may not be the best mayoral candidate. Imagine somebody able to change other people's opinions very easily. He would be a very strong mayor IF he had perfect information, whereas a mafia with that ability has all the information he needs. This skill would help a mafia mayor more than a townie mayor. | ||
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As to the others thanks for the stimulating conversations along with helping me build up resistance to written abuse. | ||
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1. Again I do have far too much time over 10 hours a day to spend on this. (I likely will not spend all 10, but depending on how much I'm needed IE if in the first night we kill 12 mafia.) 2. Tracil a mafia vet has pointed out that double lynchings are good for the town. And they are, here is my belief of them: In a game this big the hardest thing is finding out who is mafia. Information is needed for lynching mafia correctly. More lynches will almost always give information for the town to try to decipher. More information leads to mafia lynches the next day. 3. As CDR pointed out my lynching/voting for last game was immaculate. He points out that he is hesitant because I did not vote the first few days (where town got it wrong), but that is incorrect I ABSTAINED from voting because I did not find sufficient evidence for those getting lynched. My good voting skills is a good base to judge me because I will likely lead the town to victory. 4 This is more of plea than a real reason, but I have built up a lot of enemies with my pms, and unless I get bodyguard protection I'm fearful that the mafia will target me, or vigilantes who are mad at me. I shall now go on to point out what other leading candidates have had to say. On March 18 2008 16:08 Ghar wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm running for mayor. There's not much to say in regards to why I'm a better candidate than everyone else , but here's why I'm not a worse candidate than any you're thinking of voting. The only guaranteed way to know I'm not mafia or anyone else is to have a detective check me up. But at the moment that's not feasible, so all claims of not being mafia are moot until the election is done it seems. I don't know any of you guys because I'm new. But that shouldn't be a disadvantage because people you know could just as easily be mafia. My thoughts on how to throttle the mafia, for even if I'm not elected mayor: - A detective should investigate me should I get the job. Once cleared that the mayor is not mafia, the detective should PM the mayor the role the mayor originally got as evidence he is detective, of course it doesn't make for strong proof, but should the mayor have an exotic role, then its pretty strong evidence that the detective is a detective if he got the role correct. From there a team can be developed, people with roles should PM the mayor, and he sends detectives to investigate them to be sure. Only mafia would fake roles, so investigating them serves as hard proof of their legit role, or will reveal a mafia faking a role. Sure this wastes the detective's valuable limit of 2, but its served a good purpose than a blind investigate once the mayor is investigated. Jacks should be recruited first. Once this network is built, then the detective privately relays their findings to the mayor who announces findings while safe from mafia hit so medics are not needed and assuring the anonymity of the detective. This is just a brief idea of some of the plans I have as mayor. I'm happy to answer any questions or queries. Feedback on my plan is also appreciated. Candidate Ghar. Lets kill mafia. Your plan involves building up trust where people send information to the mayor just like hotzhot did last game. That is good, that is also my plan as I stated earlier before roles were given. Only your way of determining yourself as a townie is not as efficient as hotzhots' was. Either a detective has to waste his scan confirming you are indeed townie, or he has to publically declare himself as detective and say you are not a townie. Thereby getting the detective murdered and you lynched costing the town. This is no problem if you are townie (well a wasted DT skill) But there being no real way to determine townie on the first night so your point on detectives finding mayor is moot. On March 18 2008 16:31 araav wrote: + Show Spoiler + Here we go! Voting araav for mayor 1. I am the oldest here (from profiles) 2. will double lynch after several rounds only. 3. If I happen to be pardoner, and not mayor (get the second highest votes), will pardon the first day lynches, unless the case is really VERY logical 4. I hate how stupid Steve was last game 5. this 1. I do not see how being the oldest makes you any better at being mayor. Sure there is wisdom with age, but most people on TL have gone past adolescence and are rather intelligent. They do not need an older person telling them what to do. 2. I do not see how double lynching later into the game helps the town. If the town has reasons to suspect two people and asks for the double lynch will you not do it? 3. Again, if the town wanted him dead who are you to deny the down of their votes. Its like saying: "Hey I don't respect your opinion, this man lives" 4. Again, I do not see how this is relevant to being mayor. 5. That is a nice list, and perhaps I would have done it had I been awake when sonuvbob asked for it. However it leaves out pictures which was what chuiu based some of his clues off of (zdd grim reaper) Also, that list is already available on the first page. On March 18 2008 20:53 SoMuchBetter wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 18 2008 20:45 Bockit wrote: My thoughts... randombum: He showed his skills in the previous game (one of the vigilantes who did an amazing job), his voting pattern was good (according to a quote earlier in the thread, I haven't checked maybe I should) and I actually liked the mass PM, not because of the content but because of the effort involved in actually doing that. It shows he's dedicated, and that's something we need for the mayor. there is no effort involved in mass PM's. to prove a point i PM'd everyone on the page where his pm was posted with my parody of randombum's PM in like 10 seconds flat. if anyone is curious, my pm looked like this + Show Spoiler + Hello. Now i know what you're thinking. What's a flawed man such as myself doing PMing mankid's monument to pure unkempt overflowing testosterone, dashing good looks and large phalli, yourself (pictured below). I want you to give me a chance as the mayor of Liquida. A. I've been around TL.net longer than randombum, making me a more valuable member of the community than he is. B. I will always double lynch if town asks (i'm told this is a good thing) C. My post count is really big. D. I took the time writing this PM because randombum made one, and I personally think I'm cooler. Oh yeah, and spam in thread or something like that. Thanks, SoMuchBetter I don't know how you do it, but I had to do it rather slowly, clicking names-pm-type in subject-copy Paste. The process itself is rather easy, but multiply it by about 150 and a 5 second thing can take 12 minutes. I didn't even do it that fast because it took over 40 minutes maybe I'm just slow? Regardless it showed effort from me. Far more than it took for you to say: "hey look I so great I can do twice what he did in 1/20th the time! More importantly, you care less for being mayor than making fun of me. That is neither detrimental to the town, nor is it very polite. On March 18 2008 19:33 Empyrean wrote: + Show Spoiler + I just woke up! I'm running for mayor as well. I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things. Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself. The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor. Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town will be down a detective without me even asking anything :[ Empyrean is hurting the town more than he is helping by declaring he is a DT. Think about it. Either he actually is and the mafia now know who to stop (sabotage) or kill if he is not elected. HOWEVER, he also could be a lying mafia. The only way to prove that is if OTHER detectives come out wait! WE are the detectives thereby killing EMP but costing us all our DT's. You risked one of the town's greatest roles for a selfish reason. (getting elected when you cannot prove you are DT) Lastly, ACE you have a lot of posts so I will not try to spoiler all of them merely debate your points. Your bodyguard plan is good actually. Very good. The only flaw would be inactive bodyguards, OR mafia killing a few bodyguards b4 they can confirm they recieved the PM. Thats no likely so it should work. Actually, there's nothing really wrong I find with you. I would be more than happy to be mayor/pardoner with you. | ||
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Edit: The plan only works if the (mafia) mayor does something stupid and try to mess with the list. Edit: added (mafia) | ||
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On March 19 2008 03:23 Ghar wrote: No, that's not it. Having detectives means I can verify vigilantes and jacks. Having detectives work together means efficient effort, each can ask Chuiu different questions about clues, check up on multiple lynch votes. Having vigilantes means they won't strike blindly, but with Detective aid. In the worse scenario, this applies to everyone, not just me. Because all the detectives will have investigated me. If I'm mafia, only one steps out and accuses me. If I'm the real deal, they are confirmed by their investigation, and then come to me. The detectives are not at risk. Your way still involves the detective's using 1/2 of their best ability on you. They ARE at risk because a mafia can easily say hes a DT and that you are not mafia. Then for him to be stopped the real DTs have to say hold on WE are the DTs not him he must be mafia. Now the fake dt/mafia is exposed and lynched soon, but the Dts, get murdered and the town has ultimately lost. Also having detectives to verify jacks/vigilantes is not as good as having detectives try to find mafia. | ||
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Edit top of page 16 not 19 >.< | ||
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On March 19 2008 03:44 qrs wrote: Let's discuss what we have now. Like I said, who becomes mayor is less important than what he does. Ace, do you (or anyone else) disagree with me that the best thing to do with the bodyguards is reveal one and let him find out everyone's role? Thats perfect. Bodyguard plan-> known innocent-> information sharing (most important)-> coordinated effort. HOWEVER, I don't think we need to sacrifice a bodyguard. The information could be sent to the mayor on Day 2 instead who will then become the town leader. Why do you think we should risk a bodyguard for something the mayor can do? | ||
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On March 19 2008 12:20 ~OpZ~ wrote: I believe Caller to be mafia...Due to his signature. "Bread, apples, very small rocks, cider, horses, sherry, mud, churches, lead" Full of lead anyone? Clue may not be strong, but I'm looking for some sort of connection, and it is Day 1, we need someone to lynch... We don't lynch anybody as a town the first day. The elected mayor gets to lynch somebody. | ||
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On March 19 2008 12:28 unsoundlogic wrote: If you think about it from the mafia POV, they tie up the saboteur on empyrean every time. With 3 other detectives, you can still find out who voted for the major lynch candidates (2-3), and maybe even have room to target specific people. That, and vigilantes and other powerful townies are free to rape. Empyrean can be verified once as mafia or not, and he can give public information gathered by other dts and PMed to him, without revealing the identities of the other dts. If he is mayor or pardoner, he is protected and can still post what other dts send him. He'd become kind of a public announcer person that can give data that townies normally wouldnt get w/o a dt. As long as empyrean gets a protected role and is dt, then we get a huge advantage. This is assuming empyrean is telling the truth. That is impossible to tell atm. (Well if chuiu goes nuts and say he is but...) Either way, vigilantes and other powerful townies are as free to rape as they want. Furthermore, gathering information is pretty much the basis of me and ghar's platforms. I do not see how him being a DT as mayor would help us anymore than being a DT but unannounced. Again, there being no way of verifying his spot. (without the 4 REAL dts saying they are dts which would hurt more or as much as a mafia mayor). Ultimately, we either vote empyrean and he has told the truth. Good. Or, we just ignore him as this could easily be a mafian ploy to get mayor. The only way he could be found to be false is to give up some real detectives. Bad. And yes, the mafia POV is they tie up empyrean every turn (until they figure out another position). But this costs the town 1 role where before the mafia would have had to guess what townies had what. Edit: wow like 4 people beat me while writing this. | ||
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Edit: clarity. | ||
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That said, I think all opinions and suspicions should be stated in this thread. (Important suspicions due to roles should be sent to someone who cant be murdered once they are proven clean. but there are no abilities used yet anyways.) The reason for stating suspicions publicly is that people cannot suddenly vote to tip the balance (mafia like). They will have a background of saying "I think it might be him". Also while you should not say let's all vote for him until you get good evidence saying it might be him may help the town to reason out clues. | ||
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On March 19 2008 12:56 ~OpZ~ wrote: Regardless whether its a bad idea, SOMEONE must be lynched. If someone who is lynched has a clue that MIGHT point to them, then that is better than lynching some random townie. Not always... using clues the first game hurt town quite a bit. But we'll see, the mayor will likely have to do it randomly. (minus his bodyguards of course. Can he lynch the pardoner?) Edit: bolded a question I wanted read. | ||
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On March 20 2008 04:10 nemY wrote: So I see we're on the road to killing Empyrean. Karma is a bitch... so is band wagoning lololol. You are assuming that empy is telling the truth. That assumption could cost the town a crap load if he isn't. The only way to prove he isn't mafia is if the real detectives step forward and say HEY we are detectives and he is lying. Either way its hurting the town. | ||
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That would rock. | ||
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On March 20 2008 13:13 HotZhot wrote: nice marine you got there random Sadly, probably 1/2 are in mafia. | ||
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Guys stop bashing on Ace for making a hard decision. I will definitely be more active than tracil at pardoning if there is good reason to suspect that he is getting lynched do to mafia activity. You can pardon the first days lynch??!! I was under the impression that I could only pardon lynches voted on by the town. Either way I probably would've let it go though. Inactive people don't help town anyways. (Not to mention there was no real announcement for me to stop him) However, I am of the opinion that lynching is almost always better, so I will really have to be convinced to pardon someone. Grats to ace, cant say I'm not a little upset, but you put more work into this than I have so its all good. On that note I know I said I would have time to spend on this game, but some family showed up for spring break so I will be busy entertaining. | ||
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No DTs speaking up is a good sign. But I've recently gotten a PM from a supposed DT who did NOT check ace's validity. I think perhaps we should spend some time to make sure theDts have had time to actually check him. (As in some of them did not scan ace thinking others will, but if one DT scanned someone else maybe more did.) Also as to no BGs speaking up this does not mean his plan has worked. Ace was given a list of people, and if even ONE of those people are inactive his plan fails (If he is mafia he can change it). By taking an inactive BG off the list and putting in a mafia he can trick the BGs into thinking that ace is clean when he might not be so none of the BGs will speak up. Like I said I think he is townie, but we should take some time to make sure that he actually is. For either inactive DTs or BGs to do their job or until chuiu takes out inactive. We have a lot more town than mafia, we can wait another 24 hours or so at least. | ||
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JK I will obviously change it when we are given our target. | ||
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On March 24 2008 07:29 Showtime! wrote: Chuiu, I have another question for you! Scenario 1: What happens when a Vigilante and a member of the mafia target each other on the same night? Do they both die a painful death or is it a coinflip? Scenario 2: What happens if two mafia attack the Vigilante? Does the Vigilante get the kill on the mobster he originally targeted and then die at the hands of the other mafia member? I'm assuming the double team negates it and the Vigilante just dies, which would be pretty sad. Scenario 3: what happens if by chance a paramedic is watching him/her? Do they survive the attack and get the kill on the mafia member they originally targeted? Could the Vigilante survive a double team attack and still get away with the kill? Sorry to be a pain in the arse and I know the chances of this are slim, but I just thought it would be a good question to ask. As a vigilante last game I asked chuiu similar questions and here are the responses I got. The mafias kill count will not be affected that night, so yes the mafias target will still die. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Hey quick question, when a vigilante correctly and kills a mafia, does that mafia's target still die? Depends on who's hits I get in first. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Thanks, how about the opposite? If I use my vigilante kills and the mafia kill me. Do my targets still die? | ||
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On March 25 2008 08:48 G.s)NarutO wrote: This game is so difficult-_- Difficult? All we have to do is sit here and let ace lead us to victory. We don't have to do anything anymore. DTS + Ace= winning the game for us, all we have to do is vote for whom he says to vote. If anything its too easy and has become boring. | ||
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Saboteur - The saboteur is a special mafia role, he may disable one players abilities once a day/night cycle (excluding the right to vote). Meaning he tells me this before day starts and I disable that player from using their special role the following day and night. You may not use this on the mayor election lynch and only the player whose abilities are disabled will be informed of the action. You may not use this role on the same person two consecutive day/nights in a row. | ||
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On March 25 2008 22:04 araav wrote: a question for randombum, are you mayoring with Ace? Do you both share 100% of the information? qrs, yes, it worths. each suspect worths well an investigation. I am all with qurm and qrs, it sucks playing a mindless drone. Ace, even if you do not share with the town all the info, which is fine, you could share with us some of more or less harmless information like - all the detectives are identified and 3 of them are 100% verified. I have no more information than the rest of you greens. | ||
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On March 26 2008 10:42 butidigress wrote: Hold on, I just thought of something. Why not just have the group of 7 split into two like Ace said, but only perform a DT check on one of those groups? It's pretty obvious that if the check shows no mafia, then it would be the other group that contains the mafia. This way, we save DT ability usage. Because new people will be voting so they will still need to check both groups. Unless all mafia are accounted for. | ||
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On March 27 2008 12:58 Chezinu wrote: wurm has a towel What does that mean? | ||
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Chuiu never changed OP to say how many we had. We have X number, and we all know X means unlimited. So do it!! | ||
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On March 27 2008 14:46 Falcynn wrote: Just wondering...if you're going to pardon him, what's the point of double lynching? I was just joking | ||
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I vote to lynch both ghar and wurm. More information is a good thing regardless of if they are mafia/townie. True mafia is preferred, but mafia suspects or detrimental townies should get lynched. The quicker we find out true townies/mafia the less townies the mafia have killed before we lynch them, and the less power they have because some are lynched. | ||
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Once again I ask that you guys just clue/role check me vs the bum clues, it will be quite evident if I'm the bum. To reiterate, CHECK THE CLUES AGAINST ME. Rather simple, I don't want to be lynched because I knew somebody's role. I mean ace knows all the roles.... (and there have been 6 blue deaths.) Granted he's likely also a townie, but once the check turns me up as townie I hope I won't have to suffer for getting a position thats not even useful. I mean, I likely won't pardon anyone unless right at the last second ace gets pushed into getting lynched or something. I mean if you guys want to lynch another innocent townie then don't bother checking me and just lynch me too Also, it's possible dinmsab was just good luck, I mean they killed a whole bunch of random townies that day. I hope this doesn't get lost amongst showtime's many posts per page. | ||
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On April 17 2008 11:11 fusionsdf wrote: How come people miraculously check on the thread for the first time in a week right when they become suspects? A lot of people (At least me personally) are checking the thread and reading it. But we don't want to take the time to go though deciphering clues, or put out accusations that we will have to defend and support. There are a lot of reasons for this, and for me personally it was my lack of involvement in the important decisions. Anything I say puts me at risk, and I may not be right or listened to. So yea, people might just be reading it and not bothering to post until their life is in danger. Too many townies are willing to take a spectator seat in this game. Also, I thought we had the game in the bag with the dt # system, but since we are counting only on clues now I will probably start contributing my thoughts. Especially since I'm safe from mafia. So far all I've got is that plexa and MTF seem like they are smart and should be protected. | ||
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And scorch, the person who made that sign of me was falcynn, who is likely not mafia, so "a pretty cool guy" wouldn't point at me regardless.I am in support of ace's newest post of Ninja/dragoon/damage (Not so much, seems rather forced upon him) along with plexa's newest findings I think we are moving in a great direction, and we probably have a list of at least 1/2 the remaining mafia (I'm sure ace has more). Also, I want to point out that we are finding clues to point at people because we want to, we should look at clues and apply them to people instead of choosing people and applying clues to them. I hope that made sense. | ||
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As to your points, even IF the mafia did try to get me into office wouldn't I have gotten it? I mean there are 20 mafia (19 if you suspect me) who could vote for me, yet I only had 28 votes total. Furthermore, just because the pattern at the moment seems like mafia wanted me as mayor it doesn't conclude with me as mafia myself. They probably did not want Ace as mayor since he seems like he had a lot of experience and would be a better mayor. (just a guess) Besides, its not like I need to be active anyways. There are 70 townies left, we have over 10 days to lynch the mafia. This does not include their kill power going down with each lynch. If we get 2 mafia today it will take 14 days before all us townies die. And seeing as there are only 14 left they still won't be able to control the vote for at LEAST 10 days even if we don't manage to lynch a single one of them in those 10 days. These overwhelming numbers is why I have cut time for this game. | ||
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On May 17 2008 10:19 Mynock wrote: Hey guys, just a heads up: exactly 50% of all the starting players (65/130) are now left in the game. 49.09% townies are alive. 55% mafia are alive. Thats good, mafia killing power has been going down, but our ability to lynch them is the same (well I think all our vig hits are used, but thats ok since we got some townies anyways). So if we keep this trend we have won. Mafia killing power is almost 1/2 what they started with so even with plexa afk this weekend its all good. | ||
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Soo.... what your saying is we should remedy this? | ||
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On May 22 2008 12:57 Plexa wrote: Thus nemY and ninja are pretty much innocent http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=70601¤tpage=1#15 oh the irony Plexa, your assuming mafia are stupid. You take for granted if mafia names someone, he is town, if mafia protects him, he is mafia. This is like poker where you assume if they bet they have a good hand, if they call/check they have a bad hand. You are ignoring potential deception in which even mediocre mafia players will attempt since this is ultimately an (educated) guessing game. Clazz's posts are particularly suspect because he has been a large candidate for mafia, and his own actions have given him away, almost as if he wants to be caught. (such as clazz's: "I'm mafia") This actually LEADS me to suspect nemy. This rivalry could have easily been a ploy between two mafia with one of them who would eventually go down protecting the other. Unless nemY has contributed something substantial that I missed then my suspicions will stay on him. (since usually thats how you identify real true townies, I mean mafia don't go handing out other mafia unless they are top suspects anyways.) I also have suspicions of ninja since he has been a candidate, but its less substantial because clazz and unforgiven both voted him, maybe trying to save unforgiven. All this is edited out if he flips green. (very unlikely) Edit: LOL auto underline poker, I never knew | ||
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On May 22 2008 13:34 clazziquai wrote: randombum get off my dick thx you only responded so quickly because I'm right aren't I? Or would you prefer I treat the mafia as stupid, of course that could only help you guys since mafia play this game has been anything but stupid. | ||
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On May 22 2008 13:44 Plexa wrote: while that may be true randombum - consider the circumstances around the mafias promotion of ninja et al. They were trying to shift focus from unforgiven onto other targets. None of those three candidates (sureshot, ninja etc) have strong solid clues linking to them and this is backed up by the mafia trying to sway votes. nemY may well be guilty but i simply cannot find anything to stick to him thus he looks fairly innocent in my eyes True enough, but I figured I would point out my suspicions in case it led you to a spark of brilliance. I'm mainly trying to say is we have to second guess all our initial conclusions from mafia posts since it is their job to deceive us, and our job to sort fact from fiction. Until we get clues against him all that will remain are suspicions. | ||
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On May 22 2008 13:54 Plexa wrote: I find that its always best to prioritize and by deeming some "innocent" you lessen the burden on yourself when you analyze. However, when they are deemed "innocent" it doesn't mean they aren't necessarily mafia - just that we're unlikely to find mafia within them K, I'm sure you've at least given nemy a glance so we can not lynch him if it helps shorten the list. I just wanted to point out a flaw in your thinking when you are allocating "innocence". | ||
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On May 23 2008 10:16 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: any top suspect atm anyway? Plexa's top three are jtan, jimtudor, and oc3zfjsnakjdnas whatever it is | ||
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On May 24 2008 01:19 Plexa wrote: + Show Spoiler + Copperhead and Mr. Black were the first to act as they broke into the home of JeeJee. But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. JeeJee didn't waste anytime waiting and charged at Copperhead with the bat but Mr. Black caught it with his hand and yanked it from JeeJee. JeeJee grabbed it and tried getting it back from him only to find it was stuck to his hand now. He backed up and Copperhead pulled a knife from his left pocket and said "well look here now, we've come to kill ya but yer gunna get a choice on how ya die, you can choose this here knife or whatevers in my right pocket". JeeJee saw his right pocket was bulging with something too large for it and motioned at the knife as he was backing into his kitchen to get a knife of his own to fight back with. Copperhead groaned "there no fun in that but I can't really argue, we gotta get this here done quick" so he ran towards JeeJee slashing with the knife. JeeJee not yet armed himself grabbed a towel next to him and wrapped it around Copperheads arm, he smashed it in the side of the wall and knocked the knife out of his hand. He grabbed the knife and pushed Copperhead aside as he ran towards the door to escape. Copperhead found Falcynn working late at school on an essay. He saw him at a computer typing it up and crept up from behind. Copperhead grabbed his chair and wheeled him into a printer table off to the side knocking several things from the shelves onto him. Falcynn pushed himself away from it and got up to defend himself, he grabbed a pen which had fallen onto the ground and slashed upward with it at Copperhead. Copperhead grabbed a keyboard and used it as a shield, he deflected the pen and smashed it into Falcynn. He grabbed another keyboard off to the side and use both of them as weapons smacking Falcynn every open spot he could find. He finally got him into a corner and kicked him in the gut then finished Falcynn off by smashing his head between the two keyboards. Without going into too much detail; Copperhead is RANDOM, fucking RANDOM -.-;;; randombum.. are you mafia?! Basically if 0cz3c turns green, our pardoner is mafia  EDIT: in fact, 0cz3c looks like he is actually green o god...EDIT2: previously i had assumed innocence, but he is indeed on the mandalor list :X EDIT3: This explains RandomBum's behavior perfectly... the lack of participation despite "spending most of his time on tl". The lack of faith in the unforgiven lynch.. him perking up once suspected wow wtf my universe is implodingMy behavior is explained because part of my conditions for using my time on this game was if I was elected mayor. Since I did not receive the position I wanted my interest soon wondered elsewhere. IE If I had ace's job and information I would have been far more active. But acting alone really is a lot less fun. (Unlike you plexa who has associates, and all the information town has). I'll grant that my lack of faith in unforgiven was rather damning, but if I were mafia don't you think I would have pardoned somebody by now? Seems like you are trying to force a person on me. | ||
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On May 24 2008 01:59 Plexa wrote: I want to beleive you're not mafia, i really really do... Obviously, you are in a position of power - so why would you pardon a mafia when that means you look very suspicious should that person turn red. You would want to maintain this secure position from where you can support mafia antics. Even though you claim your interest waned, its still an interesting correlation And for the record, I was only let into the circle after d.arkive suicided... i was doing analysis without associates before as well.. over time i acquired allies and we have been working hard together to bring mafia down. Information or not, all it did was save me some time... Ultimately i dont want to think you're mafia.. but your defense is actually typical of all the mafia thus far haha and theres a substantial amount of evidence pointing your way... e.g. try to explain that mafia train when you ran for mayor? suddenly they all switched votes trying to get you elected Pending the information i get from Ace regarding whether people actually checked your role - i am going to have to say you're mafia. And i would not do this lightly good sir, you after all hold an extremely valuable role. Your best defense at this point is to show me how the clues connect somewhere else If I were a mafia pardoner I could easily pardon somebody who some people were against lynching (L). The only way to see if he is red is to keep lynching him (since vigs are dead), whom I could pardon again. Then the only thing left is if the town (which is not entirely sure) wants L dead, they have to lynch me first. Which would sow confusion and distrust, which alone would be worth it if I was mafia. Also, how does being in a position of power (Which isn't all that useful, my only hope of using it is if ace went nuts and used his +6 vote to lynch plexa). If I were to have pardoned a mafia I would have done it early game to keep mafia kill count up. Ultimately, staying in this position as mafia would help the mafia less than to have a few extra kills for a few more nights. | ||
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On May 24 2008 02:15 Plexa wrote: But the position keeps you "off the radar" (or at least has done). But yes, let's continue to argue you conduct. Myself, Ace and MTF knew L was mafia and if you had stepped in you would have been found out rather easily. This goes for the majority of other lynchings - remember that we scored a number of mafia kills via vigilantes in the early days - proving your pardoning powers useless anyway. You haven't addressed a number of issues but w/e. As i outlined before we just lynch others and wait for chuiu to force your hand (or mafia killing Ace et al but not you ) Let's just wait then, because to be honest, I don't feel up to trying to out sway the town vs plexa. If you really want to wait to kill me the I'll die, thats sort of it. Also killing ace but not killing me would not prove me mafia. It would have if you did not mention it, but now that you have mafia might let me live just so the town wastes a lynch on me. Ace would die because he has all the information and can lead the town far better than I can. | ||
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On May 25 2008 01:24 Camlito wrote: Ok going through profiles, the only mirror i see is nemY NEMY I KNEW IT | ||
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On June 08 2008 12:43 qrs wrote: On June 07 2008 02:29 Scorch wrote: *(not to mention that using mod powers in the game is at worst a gray area, whereas Mandalor's telling someone about the list when he was dead (according to Plexa) is a definite infraction) Its not light the town hasn't sent pms when they are dead......O wait. | ||
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On June 11 2008 15:46 Wysp wrote: We're gonna get a couple more mafia members in the next couple lynches, then we can basicly hang randomly and still win. With the focused barrage of clues that won't be needed, though. Is the mafia allowed to concede when they lose all hope? I don't see why we didn't concede from the beginning. (long post about unfairness deleted) But yes we can. | ||
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On June 17 2008 15:04 Ace wrote: What imbalances? I'm interested in hearing it thru PM. There's quite a bit ace, lots that I think will be explained in our end-game summery. | ||
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On July 07 2008 15:09 Chuiu wrote: Who wants to replace some inactives, eh? Lets get this game over with. Post here if you wish to replace an inactive player (can't revive the dead - sorry). I have another idea, although those alive won't agree with me, instead of replacing inactives how bout we just say mafia have won? Theres 4 mafia left and a kill power of 3 per night, but theres also only 4 active voters right now... I mean its been a good long game already.... Also, replacing inactives with new people would only serve for some crazy band-wagons the new people will not read 300+ pages of crap to get into this game, far easier for a new game. | ||
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For example you said something along the lines of "Man the town is really f'n up for voting nemy" That alone should ban you from talking in this game seeing as that could have potentially change votes. Whether accidental or not, your comments may effect the rest of this game unlike the dead who posted before you. | ||
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So your going to replace all the inactive townies with new people, and declare their role? So the town will know EVERYBODY who is a townie, since there are only like 1 townie who talks, the rest are inactive. So your pretty much just saying "Hey town these inactive townie are no longer questionable as mafia or not, so heres some more known innocents." Or in other words a big "FUCK YOU" to mafia. | ||
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Especially since you're last three posts fall within 6 minutes of each other. | ||
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On July 12 2008 14:03 Chuiu wrote: If they had a role they lost it, meaning they are now vanilla townies. Hence they are green. But now the whole town knows the new guys are townies so they can trust them. Great job, randombum. So... you are trying to tell me that the town would not assume they are green if you put their name in green? What role? We've killed every useful role the town has, and the vets are all known anyways. Basically whats left is green or red. You putting them on as green means they are not red. If you do this for the rest of the townies you might as well just give them the game. | ||
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So if Chuiu starts going "[insert mafia name] killed [insert town name]" And I said WTF? I'd be crying again? Or what if in Chuiu's next night it goes "Hand of god strikes down [insert mafia name]", complaining about that would be crying? Or if Chuiu decides to say "Ok, NM theres 1 townie and 4 mafia, but they all ate something bad and died of over crapping, town wins" I wouldn't be allowed to complain about that either? | ||
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On July 13 2008 03:45 JeeJee wrote: lol i can't believe the mafia are complaining about replacing inactive townies hey, maybe the number of kills you get should be related to the number of active mafia. wait no that wouldn't work because mafia don't have as much of a reason to 'afk out' from the game because they have a role unless you actually have a suggestion as to how to fix the inactive problem aside from replacing them, then crying won't help at all. keep in mind this game is balanced when all the townies are active. the only reason this game is close is because half the town is afk. IMO replacing is still the way to go except now just list them as "players" rather than "townies" as townie implies innocence (although a mafioso is still a townie, else he wouldn't be able to vote) First, we are not complaining about replacing inactive players, we are complaining about replacing players and declaring their role. Also, If the game is balanced when all the townies are active, and it is close with 1/2 the town inactive then it clearly isn't balanced if the whole town was here. Finally, there are more inactive mafia than everybody is suggesting, Theres at least 5 or 6 already dead mafia who weren't involved or were barely involved in our actions at all. | ||
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Yes, you guys had a few good players and that helped the town out alot. Imagine if you had another 25 plexa's,aces,mtf's etc. Whose fault that we got the list of blues (although we had killed every single dt and jack do to another town mistake, well several mistakes.) The fact that the town didn't lose after handing us all the blues shows how difficult for mafia to kill the town. Think how the game would still be if we didn't get that list. You guys would still be down to 4 mafia, but have at least 10-20 more active people including all the medics, ace, and plexa. And no, we do not know everything before hand we know who is mafia and who is not. Our goal is to root out all your blues. (Which we did an amazing job at even before the list) Your job is to find all the red while you know all the blues. Which you guys did an amazing job at too with the help of some very dedicated clue finders. Hell, you guys found all the mafia with all the dts and jacks dead at day 5. Imagine if we were worse players and let the 4 dts go list checking until we found the list. (day 12 or something) Granted inactivity hurt the town more than mafia, thats not what this is even about. Its about chuiu declaring that two people who were replaced were green. I don't care about replacing them, I agree that they hurt the town, and that if not replaced we have won. And mynock, PM me where you think we made mistakes. (although I can name a few mistakes, although not as game changing as the town's) Chuiu, you can say that now, but if I hadn't brought it up you would have continued to replace people and list them as green. If you are under the impression all mafia are active (that is you wouldn't replace them) Then everybody from now on who is replaced is green and replacing anyone else will only be giving the town a list of known innocents. Which is what I was complaining about in the first place. Having said that you believe all the mafia to be active you cannot not replace any new people without helping the town alot more than your intending too. (I think, unless its your intention to hand them lists of innocents) Yes, you named the new people as bold but you listed the people who were replaced as green, that is innocent townies. If the new bolded names took their roles they will then be known as townies. Even if what you meant are the replaced people are now dead townies, but the bolded names may not be townies, and that they could actually be red replacing the green people it would still have been easier if you listed those being replaced as bold too.You could have listed both names in bold and avoided this whole mess altogether. I'm done after this if you really want to argue with me over this we can bring it to pms, I won't post in this topic again until the game is over. | ||
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One of my personal gripes was that chuiu would not let me use my sabotage ability whenever I wanted. I was required to use it on someone the day before. Meaning, I could not use it to kill vets without giving it away to the town that we were going to kill him. Even if I only wanted to sabotage a nighttime ability I was required to submit it the night before to stop their day and nighttime abilities. | ||
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On August 06 2008 00:57 Empyrean wrote: Ace, you have no clue how much I wanted you guys to focus on randombum. Too bad I died. Oh yea, We agreed that I definitely needed to laugh at you for stealing your role and preventing you from getting BG protection. So, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA NO PARDONER FOR YOUS | ||
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On August 06 2008 09:05 Mynock wrote: While I, in turn always wanted to add, that Mafia never had the chance of putting you into Mayor seat tho. Up until the very last minute both Ace and I (who both voted for you at that time) were on standby to change our votes if need be. Add to that the fact that there's a miscalculation in your votes (there's a guy who voted on you who isn't even in the game) and you would have needed 6 more votes to get the mayoral seat. So a no-go for you guys, don't blame those 2 inactive mafias Well it our decision to get me into mayor was really last minute. Of course we didn't know you or ace were ready to change votes. So we were acting under the impression that + 4 to me (both mafias) + that 1 guy who apparently wasn't in the game. would have done it. | ||
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On August 07 2008 18:03 bumatlarge wrote: woah its over... Im guessing everyone wants to take a breather til the next one starts? Lol my favorite bum, thanks for keeping me off the radar for a while. | ||
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