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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 13 2008 05:09 GMT
#15
On March 13 2008 14:03 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I'm baaaack. Hide your children.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-13 06:00:36
March 13 2008 05:59 GMT
#31
I'm officially announcing my candidacy for mayor. My platform -- I will lynch Dr. Dragoon first thing.

And ya, I signed up by pming Chiui earlier. Just kidding goon. No hate. Just <3.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 13 2008 06:51 GMT
#50
What fusion is saying is that someone declaring their candidacy after the game starts is more likely to be scum. By the way, I was kidding about my candidacy. Don't vote for me. Not that anyone would've to begin with ;(.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 13 2008 07:03 GMT
#58
Chuiu, the "you must vote" rule sounds promising, but what's gonna happen if you don't? You should make the consequences more clear. I think a 3 strikes rule would work best -- you can't miss more than three votes in a row or you're out of the game. If you just kill off people who miss a vote, or some number of votes over a period of time, you're unfairly punishing townies for having inactives.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 13 2008 18:00 GMT
#110
On March 13 2008 19:50 Empyrean wrote:
Oh boy. This is exciting :D

Town looks like it has a much higher chance to win this game.

I'm still working on the game one write-up. It took me 50 minutes to write 1498 words, and it only analyzes up to immediately after the mayoral election so far.

I'm looking forward to reading it O_O.

How much do you wanna bet chuiu will make fusionsdf mafia just fuck with us?
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 13 2008 19:58 GMT
#118
If I posted my good looks, people would lynch me out of jealousy.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 13 2008 21:00 GMT
#126
On March 14 2008 05:12 BluzMan wrote:
A quick suggestion:

Since I've already played mafia on a forum that excels at this (20+ seasons), it's really better to make a separate thread for each day and each voting. Close treads after day/voting ends, it's in fact easier to find them in the closed forum than in general, besides, no mess ups.

Quoted for emphasis. This is a great idea.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 14 2008 06:51 GMT
#166
On March 14 2008 14:38 qrs wrote:
OK, so far fusion, caller, and Empyrean have all said that they will run for mayor no matter what. That means that if they end up mafioso, the Mafia practically has to put them up for election, otherwise it will be clear that they are Mafia (why else wouldn't they run).

IOW, if the Mafia puts up, say, two candidates, and any of these three are in the Mafia, he will be one of the two candidates. Something to keep in mind.

That doesn't make any logical sense. How would withdrawing their candidacy in any way make them look like scum?
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 14 2008 07:18 GMT
#175
No qrs. What I'm asking is how you can draw the conclusion that someone is mafia just because they withdraw their candidacy. So if I decide to be a candidate and later withdraw it, you're going to lynch me? I understand the mafia don't want to split the vote, but there are enough legitimate reasons not to want to run for mayor it's not conclusive.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 14 2008 07:31 GMT
#180
Lynch qrs
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-14 07:35:35
March 14 2008 07:34 GMT
#183
You're next.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 15 2008 06:37 GMT
#219
I can't imagine how much it must've sucked to be you last round.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 18 2008 07:00 GMT
#363
I vote to lynch Dr. Dragoon.

Oh

Oh, we're electing a mayor.

I'll vote later.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 07:54:25
March 18 2008 07:52 GMT
#395
From there a team can be developed, people with roles should PM the mayor, and he sends detectives to investigate them to be sure. Only mafia would fake roles, so investigating them serves as hard proof of their legit role, or will reveal a mafia faking a role.

Ghar, your plan is seriously flawed. I don't think you've thought this through, which is why I'm going to encourage people not to vote for you. If there was a contest over best election poster however, you'd win by a landslide.

There are four detectives. They can use their role finding abilities twice in the game, and once a day. However, noone knows who the detectives are. A mafia mayor could have a fellow mobster, even two, pretend to be detectives and report that you're the mayor. You could have the detectives detect the detectives, but that'd cause the same problem, and the real detectives would be using their abilities in vain. So it's not that easy, but at least it's better than what FS did.

edit:

For chrissake, if you're going to run for mayor, do more than a half-assed job. Can't be worse than fakesteve doesn't cut it.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 18 2008 08:04 GMT
#401
I'm sure you didn't read his entire post, because the strategy makes a lot of sense EVEN when the Mayor is Mafia because it forces the Mayor to do some work that benefits the Town.

I don't understand. If the mayor is mafia, and he convinces the real detectives to find out people's roles for him, then it's pretty much game over. If he's not mafia, he can't absolutely trust the detectives, because the mafia could be faking 4 detectives and reporting mob members as having the roles.

BTW Ghar, I didn't mean you were half-assing it. I mean, well, it's clear the liquidians I'm talking about.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 18 2008 08:31 GMT
#419
Ok ACE, I think Ghar's already posted your plan. So as I understand it, it's up for a real detective to report the mayor as mafia in case he is mafia. To verify this, we lynch said detective (as he's going to get killed anyway if he's real) to see if he's telling the truth. If he wasn't, that's one mafia down. If he was, then we lynch the mayor next. From there on, the mayor does his best to verify the other roles. I buy it so far, but I'll think about it before I vote. For now anyway, my vote is leading towards Ghar, because it's becoming more apparent to me how much rests on the mayor's shoulders, and Ghar's the only one who's given us a solid strategy. I also don't think he's mafia because of how fast his candidacy came up. I agree with bumatlarge. If I were mob, I wouldn't go run for mayor on a whim the moment the game starts.

Also, I feel like a lot of people aren't giving the mayoral election a lot of thought. A HUGE amount of the detective work rests on the mayor's shoulders. Voting for somebody because they mass PMed you is a bad idea. If you're running for mayor on those grounds, seriously, give it a break.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-18 22:39:49
March 18 2008 22:39 GMT
#714
Voting for Empyrean is the WORST option we have, from a cost-benefit point of view.

1. Empyrean does not appear to have read much of the analysis from last night, including Ace's Bodyguard plan. He doesn't appear to have a good grasp of what's going on. He is basically trying to coerce us into voting for him because he may or may not be a detective.

2. Everybody may or may not be a detective. Claiming you are one at this point is ZERO reason to believe you are a detective, and not mafia. There is no hard evidence pointing in either direction.

3. Cost/Benefit analysis:

I. Empyrean is a detective and we --

a. Vote him in. Great, he has protection. With Ace as the mayor (it looks like he's going to win), it means he'll be a pardoner and probably take a less minor role in leadership. I think after he colludes with Ace, he'll do a good job.

b. Vote for someone else very unlikely to be mafia, i.e. Ghar or randombum. You will need several medics to keep Emp alive, because doubtless the mafia are going to devote a lot of killing power to get him out of the game.

II. Empyrean is scum and we --

a. Vote him in. Ace will find out he is scum and we'll lynch him. We'll be down one pardoner, meaning one less person with bodyguard protection and no pardoning power.

b. Vote for someone else. Ace will coordinate the real detectives to find out that he's scum, and the town will lynch the piano playing, twice-mafia bastard. Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

How good each scenario is, in order, with how good each scenario is on a scale of 1-10, 5 being neutral.
1. Don't vote for Emp, find out he's scum, kill him, and have a list of suspects based on who voted for him, among other things. (10)
2. Vote for emp, and we get a protected detective (6, because under Ace's plan, detectives are kept secret anyway).
3. Don't vote for emp We lose a detective, but we vote in a reliable pardoner, who is probably not mafia -- in my mind either Ghar or randombum. (4)
4. The WORST is Empyrean being scum and we vote him in. (1)

The best we can do by voting for emp is a 6. The worst is a 1. The best we can do by NOT voting for Emp is a 10, and the worst is a 4. Losing a detective is not a huge loss because we have a lot. A pardoner is important because it keeps the mob in check, and nullifies the bandwagon effect. There are things the mayor and pardoner can know that the town can't. This town would fare better losing a detective than a pardoner. For that reason, I strongly recommend you

Do NOT vote for Empyrean.

Lightning edit: I wrote "best" instead of "worst".
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 18 2008 22:54 GMT
#727
Some more points I want to make.

First, a protected detective is NOT that valueable. Under Ace's plan, it will be made clear who the detectives are. He will be their mouthpiece, and their identities will remain secret. They can only die if they're accidentally killed off.

Second, you can't really save somebody if the Mafia is determined to kill them. They can use several kill points to make sure they take out an important role. It might be viable in the beginning, when you have all 7 medics saving one person because that's the only one they know is worth saving, but it would difficult to keep him alive for long when there are more people (including innocent townies who are likely to be targetted just becaused the contribute a lot) worth saving later in the game.

Finally, clues at this point are useless. I can't emphasize this enough. Let me try again.

CLUES AT THIS POINT ARE USELESS.

All this pointless, unsubstantiated finger pointing is annoying, QUIT IT.

When a lot of them start to add up, and there's behavioral clues to add to it, then it becomes worth talking about. A lot of people were lynched last game on a whim. Let's not do that again. The clues pointing to Ghar aren't very sound at all. I don't buy them for a second, but if a lot of them started to suggest him loosely, then I'll consider it some more. In fact, I would ask that clue analysis be kept to yourself for now, because it makes you a target and it causes unneeded and unwarranted suspicions amongst townies. Although you should by all means continue analyzing, just post them ONLY when you have a strong case against someone. This and this clue might point to this person is pure shit. The town can only be hurt by this pointless finger pointing.

Oh man, that's a terrible pun. ;(
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 18 2008 23:09 GMT
#741
On March 19 2008 07:53 Empyrean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 07:39 ahrara_ wrote:
...Ace will coordinate the real detectives


Such cleverly disguised misdirection against me won't work.

Don't use such a leading tone; you incite suspicion against yourself.

Chill. I posted what I felt was reasonable. I don't know if you're real or not atm, and I didn't mean anything by that adjective. My numerical assignments were based on my subjective opinion. I only introduced it to make my point more clear. I think if you fuddle the numbers around some, you'd come up with the same conclusion, that the risk of voting for you outweight the benefits. We have 4 detectives, and not two like last game. It sucks to have to lose one, but we can deal with three. I still feel that the pardoner, because he is protected and because he can keep the town in check, is more valuable. With 130 people, he'll likely be able to pardon more than last game too.

Seriously, I think your decision to reveal your role was a bad idea, regardless if you're mafia or townie. You could've become mayor by campaigning hard, adopting Ace's plan, and using your reputation from last game. It would've helped if you'd started earlier. Then, we would've had a detective mayor, and not had to go through this drama.

It comes down to this: We don't know if you're detective or scum or a townie who wants the mayoral position bad. There is absolutely no more reason to believe you're any of these roles than there is to believe that I am any of these roles. This is a simple, sound, and logical fact. On the other hand, the suspicions your actions invoked seriously hurt your chances of winning.

How? This is what I keep asking. We can't coordinate unless the detectives can all trust someone. They can only trust someone if they know he is towny. That means either: we waste 3/8 of the valuable yes/no questions, or the mayor reveals a bodyguard. Ace has said he does not want to reveal a bodyguard immediately, so how will he be able to coordinate the detectives?

He's going to have to reveal a bodyguard then. Sacrificing somebody to make sure the mayor can be trusted is worth it. I'm not actually sure about the specifics... Ace, wanna follow up?
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 00:45 GMT
#828
After some reflection, Ace, I have problems with the bodyguard plan. I have a problem with any plan that doesn't sacrifice a detective to discover the mayor's innocence. That is the only sure way to make sure the mayor is clean. I've run the logic through my head several times, and I see no way of verifying the mayor's innocence unless you lynch a detective voluntarily. I bought what you were saying for a while, but after taking it into deeper consideration, I'm having more and more problems with your logic. I came to the same conclusions about the bodyguard plan others have already. You haven't answered their posts very well at all, I think. Your plan is flawed, and since the counters to them have been all posted here, it's very likely now that the mafia is going to use them. Your only response so far (unless I've missed them) is that it's not worth it for the mafia to risk outing a member. But since detectives can't be trusted (unless they're hanged) there's no way to be sure who's mafia.

I'm not sure if it's worth sacrificing a detective to prove the mayor's innocence, but his ability to coordinate the town without being hit seems powerful enough to warrant it. So unless this round proves me wrong, I'm going to reserve my vote unless a candidate is willing to make that sacrifice, or shows me the flaw in my logic.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 00:50 GMT
#834
On March 19 2008 09:47 Ace wrote:
If ANY Detective speaks up against the Mayor and we can't decide whether or not who to believe, we go to the ultimatum approach - just lynch the DT first and if he is telling the truth the Mayor is Mafia. Boom - Mafia Mayor gone by the second day.

That's what I was looking for. You've completely won me over.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 03:26 GMT
#916
Shallow, on this page alone you have three posts that pretty much contribute nothing. I'm sure everybody appreciates your clue analysis from before, but the pointless one liners are annoying. There are enough posts to wade through already, and you've made 20 or so such posts already today. Please stop.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 03:43:00
March 19 2008 03:42 GMT
#928
On March 19 2008 07:54 ahrara_ wrote:
CLUES AT THIS POINT ARE USELESS.

All this pointless, unsubstantiated finger pointing is annoying, QUIT IT.

When a lot of them start to add up, and there's behavioral clues to add to it, then it becomes worth talking about. A lot of people were lynched last game on a whim. Let's not do that again. The clues pointing to Ghar aren't very sound at all. I don't buy them for a second, but if a lot of them started to suggest him loosely, then I'll consider it some more. In fact, I would ask that clue analysis be kept to yourself for now, because it makes you a target and it causes unneeded and unwarranted suspicions amongst townies. Although you should by all means continue analyzing, just post them ONLY when you have a strong case against someone. This and this clue might point to this person is pure shit. The town can only be hurt by this pointless finger pointing.


I actually find a lot of his one liners pretty funny.

I really don't.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 03:47 GMT
#932
I think those 2 should be in the top list of who to lynch first, pretty good connections made by xdark.carnivalx
1-Zeks
2-CTStalker

This is just bad logic. You can't go about lynching people based on one clue. A lot of clues from last game were misinterpreted so that innocents were lynched. People ignored behavioral clues. Had they paid attention to how people posted, Empyrean would've been long dead. There are people whose behaviors already warrant serious suspicion, besides the obvious ones, if you take the time to look at people's posting history.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 03:52 GMT
#935
Ok, I see what you're saying there, and agree with you. It's still a bad idea to ask others to lynch people based on a clue.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 03:57 GMT
#940
I see clues as largely a means of supporting a suspicion, not the beginning of one. Like I said, if you've been following the thread, there have been people who've done some weird things that warrant suspicions. Nothing for sure, but plenty of starting points not based on clues.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 05:55 GMT
#970
Ok, I understand now. Thanks for taking the initiative.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-19 09:06:43
March 19 2008 09:04 GMT
#992
I'm posting here to urge people to withdraw their votes for Empyrean and switch to randombum, in the hopes that enough people will listen so that Empyrean is not made pardoner. At the same time, I think the town has agreed that Ace should be the mayor, so let's not get carried away and make randombum mayor by accident. Keep an eye on the vote tally, but let's work together to keep Empyrean out of office.

The only reason people believe Empyrean is worth putting in that valuable spot is because he claims he is a detective. This is not verifiable information in any way, and there is no reason to trust Empyrean. For the purpose of electing a mayor, that statement can be tossed out the window. Randombum is just as likely to be a detective as Empyrean. However, there's the added bonus that randombum is less likely to be a mafia ploy because he announced his campaign before the game started, whereas Empyrean's role claiming makes him suspect.

Emp's poor decision making and suspicious activity make him a poor candidate for a leadership role, whatever his reputation from last game may be. This is not grounds to support emp at all.

I strongly urge everybody to VOTE RANDOMBUM in order to keep Empyrean out of office. If you're holding out because you think Empyrean taking Pardoner is inevitable -- it's not. We just need TEN people to vote randombum, or FIVE people to change their vote. That's out of 130 people playing. Change your vote now, before it's too late.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 09:10 GMT
#994
On March 19 2008 18:08 Ghar wrote:
No love for Ghar? =[

Well, you had my vote initially. Unfortunately, you're the Ralph Nader of this election. If you endorsed randombum, we can keep Empyrean out of office, which I think is important.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 17:45 GMT
#1052
Just so I don't look like a total moron in case Empyrean turns out to be innocent ...

I am not saying Empyrean is Mafia. I don't even have strong suspicions at the moment. I would NOT vote to lynch him, and strongly suggest that paramedics protect him the first night, until we verify his role, and until he uses both his role checks himself. I am arguing from a logical point of view that there is no reason to trust that he is detective. There is no reason to believe he's not a detective either. I'm just saying that given that we can't trust anybody, it's equally likely randombum is a detective. Role claiming at this point is useless, and more likely to be a ploy. If Emp turns out ot be innocent, well fuck me. I'll end up looking like a moron, and Ace too. In my opinion though, it's better to be safe than sorry.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 17:51 GMT
#1054
On March 19 2008 19:06 CDRdude wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2008 18:10 ahrara_ wrote:
On March 19 2008 18:08 Ghar wrote:
No love for Ghar? =[

Well, you had my vote initially. Unfortunately, you're the Ralph Nader of this election. If you endorsed randombum, we can keep Empyrean out of office, which I think is important.

If you know so much about American politics, why does your profile list you as from Afghanistan? I'm not really sure about Ralph Nader's international prestige, but I really doubt it extends to Afghanistan. And it might not extend to Australia either, which is what Ghar's profile lists.

Dude. Afghanistan was the first country on the list. I am obviously from the states. For game purposes, I'm not going to change it now.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 18:15 GMT
#1059
Falcynn: Not if they can take out 4-5 medics along with the guy.

Ya, I forgot about the suicide bomber. So Empyrean's screwed. That's his fault.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 19 2008 23:54 GMT
#1149
On March 20 2008 08:32 Yogurt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 20 2008 08:26 Falcynn wrote:
If you're talking about the flaw posted here
http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925&currentpage=40#786
or any variation of that, then it's been discussed already and so far it's agreed that there is no flaw.

thats not the one, but again, ill wait for ace to post it again

Go ahead and post it now, so we can discuss it and ACE will see if he can correct it before finalizing the plan.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-03-20 00:19:57
March 20 2008 00:17 GMT
#1160
On March 20 2008 09:00 butidigress wrote:
I think we're making a big mistake here by not voting for Empyrean. I feel fairly confident he's a DT; I cannot imagine mafia making that kind of bold move. Even with the saboteur position removing his powers while he is being protected, I think we would do well to have someone who is most likely a townie to be up there.

Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence.

Why are you so convinced Emp is innocent? Electing the mayor is a shot in the dark. We don't know if they are or aren't townies. We do the best we can. The best we can suggests that Ace is innocent, because he's contributed a lot of ideas that can help the town. Emp made a stupid decision that can either cost us a detective or land up with a mafia as pardoner. Nobody is voting by certainty, just by likelihood. Just because there's the possibility you'll be hit by a bus doesn't mean you shouldn't cross the street.

As for the detective innocence problem -- this is a big issue. The problem is the detectives don't know who each other are, and to be sure the investigation is actually completed, they'll ALL have to use up a role check on the mayor. My solution is simple. Instead, we should have both jacks check up on the mayor. Jacks are not as useful, and we'll be wasting two checks instead of four, and we can't have emp do it (assuming he is a detective) because no doubt the mafia will use a saboteur on him. If we rely on emp, it'll be another night before we find out if the mayor is clean.

that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.

This has been brought up a million times. The bodyguard plan has already been shown to be a flawed method for proving the mayor's innocence. The only way to be sure is to sacrifice a jack. That's likely what will end up happening.

EDIT: OOPS! I misunderstood the jack's role. Ignore what I just said. It's better to sacrifice four detective role checks than lose a jack.
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#1168

Show nested quote +

Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence.

We're not, Ace is voted because he has a plan of action that will benefit the town even if he were say mafia. Bum is just voted to kick Emp off because of his irrational approach to being elected.

I have a concern with Ace's plan:

suppose that the mayor is townie and all the bodyguards get the right messages

then suppose that a mafia false claims that hes a bodyguard.

that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade.

If the mayor is innocent, then he'll straight out deny the fake bodyguards, thus we have free mafia to kill without any wasted effort.


This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME.

What do you mean?
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March 20 2008 00:33 GMT
#1171
Yes, and I was making fun of his pettiness.
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March 20 2008 00:55 GMT
#1177
The value of role checking is it lets the mayor coordinate the players.
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March 20 2008 02:59 GMT
#1215
Hey folks, it looks like the voting is split between randombum and Ace. Just to be sure, let's have a few people change their votes back to Ace so we don't end up with bum as a mayor by accident.
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Last Edited: 2008-03-20 06:03:38
March 20 2008 06:01 GMT
#1410
I hope people aren't PMing you their roles already o_O.

I really think people shouldn't do this yet. Ace seems trustworthy, but it could all be a ploy to earn our trust. An experienced player would know just how to pull that off. If that's the case, he probably figured he could sacrifice himself to make it harder, if not impossible, for townies to get organized.
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March 20 2008 06:04 GMT
#1414
Well, I still don't think you're worth trusting even with strats and suspicions.

Alven:

I sure as hell hope detectives aren't revealing their roles to him.
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March 20 2008 06:10 GMT
#1420
oops, I thought detectives can't get their investigation info back until tomorrow, but then I read the role information again.

Tomorrow morning I think will have been long enough for at least one detective to post in case you are mafia. Then we can really get started =).
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March 20 2008 22:36 GMT
#1636
On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote:
Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically?

Funny how you get all sensitive when someone insults you, but it's ok for you to be a bitch to everyone else.

I don't really care about what French_Toast has to say. I just hope the townies realize that just a few people being persuaded to not send in their PMs by this possible mafia ploy are going to seriously weaken Ace's plan. It's possible the mafia realize this, and have sent a saboteur in to get enough people upset that the plan doesn't work. Send in your PMs, for everyone's sake.
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March 21 2008 03:04 GMT
#1692
On March 21 2008 11:18 SonuvBob wrote:
If Ace isn't roleblocked, it'll show up when he votes tomorrow (6 votes vs 1). It'd be a bad idea to lie about that.

It doesn't affect voting.
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March 21 2008 04:19 GMT
#1701
If you're a DT, you should do investigate ace, period. If you haven't you should do it now. It doesn't matter that we're wasting 4 role checks. It's worth it to make sure that the job is actually done.
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March 21 2008 23:11 GMT
#1787
On March 22 2008 07:54 GeneralStan wrote:
no way is mafia going to lynch Empyrean. The waste of detective checking on him is enough to keep him alive

Unless Emp actually is a detective and the whole townie thing was a last ditch effort to save himself. If I were mafia, I'd figure it's more valuable to kill Emp than to risk letting a detective go free.
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March 22 2008 04:42 GMT
#1821
Chuiu, have my babies?

I don't know whether to be relieved or hurt the mafia doesn't think I'm worth killing.

Since I don't like dealing with clues, I'll let other people worry about that. Some things I noticed though --

6 people dead, meaning either the mafia chose not to use all its killing power, or they chose to use more than one kill on at least one of the dead people, or they attacked somebody with at least 3 paramedics defending. I think the last option is the most likely. I strongly feel that the protected person was Empyrean. There is nobody else they'd have a reason to send more than one guy after, and given Emp's claim as a townie, they probably didn't want to risk wasting a suicide bomber on him. Now that they found he's being protected, they might read that as either he is actually a detective or that he's worth sending a suicide bomber after. Either way, I think it vindicates Emp.

Or maybe I'm missing something. I get the feeling I'm missing something.

Another point is that the mafia don't appear that smart this game. They killed people who were under heavy suspicion, notably CTStalker and oneBlueAugust. I was ready to vote against him on the basis of the grudge clue alone. They did not kill people whose analysis was more helpful, like carnival and shallow. I'm sorry mynock's gone. His posts were usually worth reviewing.

I'm interested in seeing what our clue interpreters pick up.
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March 22 2008 04:45 GMT
#1827
Oh. Right. That'll teach me to skim posts.

And that'll teach blues to lynch/kill people without better evidence.
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March 22 2008 04:56 GMT
#1842
It sucks we've lost two blues, but I think today's worth celebrating. In all respects, the town got the better of the mafia. For some reason, they weren't able to use all their kills, most likely because they hit somebody who was very well protected. We're pulling ahead, if only slightly. Remember that detectives now get to ask more questions, since they used up the first on Ace. As a town, I think there are a few things we should focus on to make sure we get the bad guys:

1. Matching clues to people with suspicious behavior and detective information. I don't say clue interpretation because as CTStalker's case has shown, even the most apparently strong clues are "right" only half the time. If we do have a clue that seems very strong, I'm sure Ace will have a detective investigate it. We should never lynch on the basis of a clue alone.

2. PM Ace your roles. WTF seriously, you should've done this already, especially if you're a blue.

3. Hold your horses and don't lynch/kill/plant a bomb unless you're sure, based on more than just clues, that the person is mafia.
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March 22 2008 05:00 GMT
#1845
On March 22 2008 13:54 L wrote:
Also: The medics on emp and emp himself will know if he was targetted, so the medics can pm ace to tell him if emp was targetted or not.

This is information Ace is probably not going to reveal publicly, unless a bandwagon gets started with Emp on top. So I'm just speculating.

Anyway, Emp was my top suspect until now.
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#1849
On March 22 2008 14:01 ShadowDrgn wrote:
Yogurt did the right thing. He could only plant one bomb a night but could remove them at any time so the best strategy was to plant a bomb on the most suspicious person, which was CTStalker. Yogurt being randomly killed and CTStalker being a Jack were both really bad luck, just like your lynching of incontrol. Good strategy, bad luck.

No, it's just as shitty of a strategy as lynching people on a whim. Planting a bomb is just as good as killing somebody. I admit I was sold on Stalker's clue, and would've voted for him if there were no other suspects, but I still think clues alone are the weakest thing to go on. Nobody should kill somebody if all we have against them is a clue.
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March 22 2008 05:12 GMT
#1854
The 44-str clue seems pretty strong
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March 22 2008 06:36 GMT
#1891
Do you have any idea how many people hit you?

I was sure the saved person was Empyrean. If it wasn't, then that's a very good reason to suspect him.
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March 22 2008 17:46 GMT
#1980
Hahahaha.

Good game Ghar. And I almost voted for you.
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March 23 2008 06:50 GMT
#2078
On March 23 2008 14:37 Ace wrote:
ok time to go, my ride is here. later people!

Our mayor doesn't have a license .
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March 23 2008 20:47 GMT
#2171
I trust Ace and I agree with his logic. At the same time, I understand why some people are frustrated about his request to withdraw votes for Ghar. In case it's not already clear, there are two reasons Ace's request is a good idea.

First, Ace is trying to maintain order and establish discipline. He's not defending Ghar on a whim. While I think it's clear that Ghar is mafia, I also realize that townie discipline will be crucial to making sure we don't lynch the wrong people on a bandwagon. I strongly urge everybody to listen to Ace. If it comes down to the last hour and there's no response, then we simply lynch Ghar anyway.

Second, Ace is trying to make sure that Ghar is mafia in fact. I personally buy the clue completely, but it never hurts to double check. If everybody votes for Ghar right now, and it turns out he's innocent at the last minute, then there's nothing we can do about it. If most people abstain, then we'll be able to save Ghar and lynch a real mafioso.

As for Ace's innocence, there's a remote possibility he's actually mafia. We have to keep this possibility open. Again, I urge any detective that has not investigated Ace already to do so now, just in the off chance that the three other detectives have not already done so. Still, since we have nothing better to go off of, we have very good reason to trust him. If Ace were mafia, I don't think he'd be stupid enough to risk his credibility defending an obvious mafia like Ghar. One Mafia alone isn't worth it. (Anyway, when he votes, we'll see if he's actually roleblocked. You are going to vote, right Ace?) He certainly would NOT be trying to establish order in the town.

Finally, there's some of you that need to manner up. We're all in this game for fun. Part of what takes away from that is a bunch of people acting like 15 year olds. If you disagree with somebody, bring it up in public, and do it respectfully. I don't want to read your whiny, unpunctuated bullshit on this thread or in my mailbox. If you can't understand that this is a game and people are playing it to have fun, then get the fuck out.
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March 23 2008 21:02 GMT
#2190
On March 24 2008 05:59 Ace wrote:
I'm not going to lynch Ghar solely on the fact that we've got a much more sure fire situation in catching Mafia on our hands right now.

Are you investigating Ghar at least? I read your post from before, but I think Ghar's clue is a much more "sure fire" case. I think for the sake of your credibility, you should encourage Ghar's lynching.
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March 23 2008 21:33 GMT
#2207
I'm voting for Mandalor, but if it doesn't work out I'm not going to follow you on blind faith anymore. I hope you get a vigilante on Ghar.
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March 23 2008 21:54 GMT
#2230
LYNCH THE BASTARD
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#2384
On March 24 2008 13:10 bumatlarge wrote:
Is it me, or did the vanilla get really boring fast. I'd like to be independent and look at clues and vote for people i think are mafia, but with ace as mayor, and all the blues knowing whos who and working together, I'm fairly bored. Now I honestly want to stir shit, because It's becoming a spectator sport townies, and then voting for who ace tells us too, cause he's basically a guaranteed townie. I wish Emp was mayor, that would have been fun. No offense ace...

Ya, I kinda agree. I think the town's ability to organize really hurts the fun of the game. Last game was awesome to follow because of all the drama. It was exciting to see mandalor get caught, and it was a clever move on ace's part but meh, I get the feeling the rest of the game is going to be straightforward, with mafia after mafia being caught because of clues.
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March 24 2008 16:41 GMT
#2490
IIRC chobo made a post on the last page asking chuiu if he would count votes that were edited. I'm also pretty sure I saw him abstain before he voted mandalor, but I can't remember when. Sorry to disappoint you =(.
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March 24 2008 16:42 GMT
#2492
On March 25 2008 01:40 HeRoS)Pink wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2008 01:18 Ace wrote:
Update

I got some interesting information about centering around Mandalor's death. Check this out:



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Mandalor Germany. March 24 2008 03:15. Posts 1164 PM Profile Blog Quote
I abstain as well.
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Ace United States. March 24 2008 06:21. Posts 1938 PM Profile Quote
well then how about this.

Everyone vote for Mandalor to be lynched.
###

I revealed this at 6:21 on March 24th. Smurfingchobo already voted for Mandalor on the 23rd. If he's mafia, then the mafia's game plan might be to vote against each other.

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smurfingchobo March 23 2008 20:45. Posts 527 PM Profile Quote
I change my vote from abstain to Mandalor.
###

I thought that was an interesting vote (a day before) because no one had mentioned him as a suspect, and I couldn't find any clues leading to him.



To sum up, basically smurfingchobo voted on Mandalor way before I even brought him up.
This is odd because even when we knew Mandalor was Mafia, we couldn't even find a single clue that implicated him.

What do you guys think about this? Someone did some nice work

well thats what is happening with dr.dragon and kuja900 they both were in the first to vote and they voted for each other, and they both didnt even posted one time iirc
PS: wasnt there a clue about a dragon?

Could be Kuja voted dragoon for shits and giggles. Dragoon retaliates. It may be worth checking them out, but it shouldn't be a priority. Mafia wouldn't be dumb enough to be the sole voter on somebody... right?
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March 24 2008 16:43 GMT
#2495
On March 25 2008 01:41 Ace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2008 01:37 ZBiR wrote:
Uhm... no. He voted (probably abstained) before you pointed Mandalor, then after you accused Mandalor, he changed his post from before.

That's how I see it.




Sorry I should have expounded this point.

I sent Mandalor the PM to tell me the info way b4 I accused him publicly.

smurf voted for Mandalor a little bit before that time.

We're just interested in how he voted for the guy when there were no clues pointing to him, even when we knew he was Mafia and couldn't find a thing.

No dude, if you read smurfingchobo's post, it's been edited. He also pointed out that it was edited after voting ends. On the 23rd he abstained. After your announcement he edited his vote. So there's nothing suspicious.
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March 24 2008 16:45 GMT
#2497
I say we lynch dr. dragoon for shits and giggles.
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March 24 2008 16:48 GMT
#2500
Assuming Ghar is mafia, it would be unlikely for mafia to try to field two viable candidates - unless they were greedy enough to go after pardoner also - because they would split the vote. IIRC, both campaigned hard against each other. One or the other is mafia, not both.

Just some pondering:

I can see why the mafia would want to field a fake medic, then they would be in on who's being saved. But a veteran??? What the hell?
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March 24 2008 17:18 GMT
#2510
Fielding a vet is just bad strategy. They have no useful abilities, so they can't gain any information. When you have 2 real vets but 3 people report as a vet, then you have three strong suspects. Mafia need to protect their numbers as much as possible. Given that, fielding a vet wasn't a smart idea for them.
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March 24 2008 17:20 GMT
#2511
On March 25 2008 02:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2008 01:33 Ace wrote:
It's suspicious to me because from the gate he was against me getting Mayor. Go look back at his past posts and check them out.

I have a notepad file of initial impressions of everyone in the game, here is the entry for araav:

araav - ran for mayor on ridiculous pretenses


Hey cool, what was your initial impression of me?


Now I wanna know too.
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March 24 2008 17:44 GMT
#2517
Wrong.
Risk of getting caught as a vet is very slim, still it harasses the town. It's a good trade for the mafia.

Wrong. When there's nothing else to go off of, and there are clues pointing vaguely at one of the three, then you're going to get picked off next.

And it doesn't cause any confusion that's useful. Who cares who the vets are?
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March 25 2008 02:59 GMT
#2622
Or they could just... kill you.
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March 25 2008 05:13 GMT
#2659
Mafia should be the last concern of yours when you've got a kidney stone inside you =(. Get well soon.
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March 25 2008 05:34 GMT
#2672
In my narrative writeup of this game, I'm making showtime and shallow gay lovers.
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#2676
On March 25 2008 14:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2008 14:34 ahrara_ wrote:
In my narrative writeup of this game, I'm making showtime and shallow gay lovers.


Does every Mafia player and their cousin make narrative writeups nowadays?

In mine, show time kills you with an electric dildo. -_-'
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March 25 2008 05:49 GMT
#2682
I'm actually chinese. We make of things plenty of things that kill people unintentionally.
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#2779
Looks like someone doesn't have a very good sense of humor. So far, you're the only one who's stepped up to complain about that.

No. He's not.
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#2789
On March 26 2008 05:22 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 05:00 ahrara_ wrote:
Looks like someone doesn't have a very good sense of humor. So far, you're the only one who's stepped up to complain about that.

No. He's not.

2 and counting

It's a matter of posts without content clogging up the useful posts. It's just kind of annoying. I'm not saying you shouldn't have banter, I've done it, just could everyone tone it down some.

I haven't been keeping up with the thread lately because of starcraft & all my spring break reading =(, so I will be abstaining. I'm not following Ace's plan because I haven't been able to review the evidence/logic and I'm not certain. You can suspect me if you want, but I'm going to be voting for some random person so you can check with a DT.
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March 26 2008 03:12 GMT
#2840
On March 26 2008 05:32 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
count me too.
This is a thread to play the game not to spam mercilessly, please keep it to objective points, i hate too to go through a bunch of spam post that add no content and just make dificult to read. BTW, I dont think winning IS boring :p

On March 20 2008 10:49 Mynock wrote:
Shallow, will you please stop with the incessant harassments? You have done absolutely nothing else the last 60 pages. And yes, we're all aware you're just "having fun".

Also, probably the best strategy would be for the medics to decide themselves if they want to protect Empyrean or not, this way the mafia will have to guess whether to use up their suicide bomber (and potentially waste him) or just use up some of their killing power (and still not get the kill). Let them guess.

On March 13 2008 13:58 Chuiu wrote:
2. Try to keep posting mafia game related, the thread gets hard to read and annoying when there are 12 posts of spam per 1 post of actual content.

On March 26 2008 06:03 ahrara_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 05:22 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
On March 26 2008 05:00 ahrara_ wrote:
Looks like someone doesn't have a very good sense of humor. So far, you're the only one who's stepped up to complain about that.

No. He's not.

2 and counting

It's a matter of posts without content clogging up the useful posts. It's just kind of annoying. I'm not saying you shouldn't have banter, I've done it, just could everyone tone it down some.

I haven't been keeping up with the thread lately because of starcraft & all my spring break reading =(, so I will be abstaining. I'm not following Ace's plan because I haven't been able to review the evidence/logic and I'm not certain. You can suspect me if you want, but I'm going to be voting for some random person so you can check with a DT.

On March 26 2008 11:48 qrs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 26 2008 11:31 Showtime! wrote:
Oh for fucks sake stop spamming useless banter
QFT
Practice what you preach.

Please stop spamming.
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March 27 2008 17:10 GMT
#3147
C.) Focus on other, more worthwhile suspects, like Ghar, and not waste a role check.

P.S. The drama is getting heated. Fight the man!
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March 28 2008 04:21 GMT
#3276
On March 28 2008 12:43 Showtime! wrote:
considering none of us gave it to him and the guy took it upon himself to break in he has officially ruined the game. Oh well, we'll suck it up and find a way to win I guess, but that is total balls.

Hopefully an Admin will ban him period, but I would like an explanation beforehand as well.

Quick being so dramatic. I don't see anybody else throwing a fit. Nor do you have sure evidence that araav "hacked it", and that it wasn't an internal leak. IF araav really did hack, then I agree, get rid of this guy from all future mafia games. It's the same of shittiness, in my mind, as SonuvBob using his admin powers to look through PMs (assuming he has them). Yes, it is a risk setting up a chat room, but when someone does something illegal to get in, then no way should that be tolerated. On the other hand, if he got in through social engineering, then that's too bad for you guys. I want town to win, of course (), but we have to take responsibility if somebody on the inside leaked information.
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March 28 2008 04:22 GMT
#3277
I wanna clarify that sonuvbob of course has probably not looked through anyone's PMs, I was just using that as a hypothetical.
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#3280
On March 28 2008 13:20 CDRdude wrote:
Showtime, please stop your damn whining. Its annoying, immature, and reeks of being an attention-whore. Of all the people in this thread, after your behavior, you should be the last person to whine for a ban. Please stop.

I agree. Showtime, you need to calm the fuck down. You're stirring up a pretty minor incident into a fucking drama-fest. The way you post is annoying, and I hope either that you shape up or that you're banned from future mafia games. Whatever side you're on, your attitude detract from the game's fun.

And sorry for the triple post, but I want to avoid editing in here.
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March 28 2008 04:49 GMT
#3287
On March 28 2008 13:31 Showtime! wrote:
read my post again, i just edited it. bum like i said before it was pretty well hidden for him to find it.

So he can't hack it unless he finds out about it. He can't find out about it unless somebody tells him about it. Therefore, somebody told him about it. Simple, capiche?
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March 28 2008 15:49 GMT
#3354
On March 28 2008 23:45 araav wrote:
Jesus!

[image loading]

Poll: Ban and replace Showtime?
(Vote): Ban and replace
(Vote): Give him another chance
(Vote): Let him talk his crap

this is ironic given my recent blog post

but get rid of the little ten year old piece of shit please. I'm voting to lynch him.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 28 2008 23:05 GMT
#3404
god damn
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 28 2008 23:40 GMT
#3411
On March 29 2008 08:33 Showtime! wrote:
hey man, i've been hanging relatively low for the last while now.

the only thing I bothered pursuing was this araav bs, but we're done with that



no you fucking haven't, are you stupid?
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
March 29 2008 20:43 GMT
#3473
I onlyvoted for wurm because Ace made us. Seriously, just because someone disagrees with you isn't reason to lynch them. Unless they're showtime. But this was just crappy, power hungry decision making from Ace. I can't blame anyone on the Ghar clue though, I thought that was a dead giveaway, yet why didn't Ace use a detective check on it at least???
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
April 03 2008 06:44 GMT
#3610
self ingratiating back rubbing: I called Empyrean's bluff like 50 pages back. Or i mentally called it and didn't post, so the mafia wouldn't get ideas. I don't think it was hard to see through it, though.

And may I be the first to offer the mafia a hearty thank-you for hitting showtime. It's appreciated.

oh my god, two detectives!!! nice going Acehole!

It's not ace's fault mafia got the DTs. Empyrean gave himself away, and New104 looks like good luck.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
April 03 2008 23:19 GMT
#3665
Empyrean, they targeted you because you told everyone you were a DT. I mean, that's pretty obvious right? I don't think anyone bought that you were just a plain townie. At least, I wouldn't have, if I were a mafia on the lookout for detectives.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
April 03 2008 23:27 GMT
#3667
I like qrs's line of thinking. It would implicate araav strongly if the people who were killed tonight just so happened to be the ones who idled Ace's channel. But only Ace and the other idlers can answer to that.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
April 10 2008 07:17 GMT
#3957
How the fuck did they know Hittegods was a DT?
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 06 2008 05:42 GMT
#5300
So plexa thinks im innocent?

fool
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-08 05:56:47
May 08 2008 05:10 GMT
#5362
I'm kinda hoping Mafia will try and kill me so I don't feel so completely useless. Maybe I can say something about how I've been a huge behind the scenes player, keeping in touch with both Plexa and Ace and Shallow and feeding them ideas (well not really shallow I just taunt him), or that I have a secret role called the Psychic, that can communicate with the dead. But I'd be lying.

ninja edit:

I am absolutely most definitely lying about my Psychic role. Did I make that clear? I am not a Psychic. There is no such role. Definitely not, that would be ridiculous.
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 08 2008 05:53 GMT
#5365
Did you hear that mafia? I'm starved of attention and respect. Kill me now =(.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 11 2008 05:47 GMT
#5437
On May 11 2008 11:27 Plexa wrote:
85-ahrara_
Display Name : ahrara_
Birthday : &nbsp;
Country : Afghanistan
Joined : Tuesday, 26th of February 2008
Quote : Running 8 min of T in the LOC.
Name Meaning:
Clues:
Image: + Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

pimpin
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-05-13 05:29:46
May 13 2008 05:28 GMT
#5467
WHAT THE FUCK
COME ON
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 18 2008 21:41 GMT
#5595
On May 18 2008 20:48 Plexa wrote:
howdy ho town!

So what happened at this debate tournament is that my team broke 1st (ie going into the semifinals we were the strongest team) and then lost the semifinals based on a technicality really really sucks

What tournament was this? Do you mean you lost to a procedural?

One time I had a team come up with a total bullshit interpretation, but they won because they prepared we went all out topicality but they had prepared an 8 minute subpointed T rebuttal during prep...
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 20 2008 04:51 GMT
#5623
my plan to stay alive by pretending i'm not doing anything and that i want to get killed off is working
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 20 2008 04:51 GMT
#5624
he called you a bitch... ohhhhh
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 22 2008 05:28 GMT
#5713
hahhaahahhaahahhaahahhaahahhaahahhaa
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
May 31 2008 07:43 GMT
#5935
my self esteem just plummeted
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
June 11 2008 04:39 GMT
#6142
when I am the last mafia lynched I am going to laugh
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 12 2008 06:37 GMT
#6541
I'm surprised Chuiu's not replacing me.

I mean I'm not surprised. Because I'm mafia.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 18 2008 17:38 GMT
#6629
What the hell? I made a post here with some analysis on infundiblum and it never showed up. Well basically what I said was that infundiblum's defense of why he voted for randombum was ripped off other people's posts... mine included.

Wysp is right tho. I am mafia =)
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 18 2008 17:57 GMT
#6632
On July 19 2008 02:38 Bill307 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 19 2008 02:38 ahrara_ wrote:
What the hell? I made a post here with some analysis on infundiblum and it never showed up. Well basically what I said was that infundiblum's defense of why he voted for randombum was ripped off other people's posts... mine included.

Wysp is right tho. I am mafia =)

Uh... what?

Edit: apparently you used to have a profile pic before, judging from the "TLMafia alive users" blog. What happened to it?

I got a job and started blogging about it. Didn't want to risk being identified. If anybody wants the pic tho, they're free to PM me.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 19 2008 01:27 GMT
#6644
hahahahaha
maybe I'm neither mafia or townie
did you ever think about that?
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ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 25 2008 05:59 GMT
#6751
HAHAHAHHA
I CALLED IT
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 26 2008 03:14 GMT
#6757
?!?!?!?!

Are my posts on this thread getting deleted? Because I swear I wrote something this morning and now it's gone.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 30 2008 03:19 GMT
#6776
Are there any other suspects? As much as I hate to admit it, I've been cleared of being mafia by any and logically sound means. I think most people agree that I'm innocent. The only person accusing me is Wysp. He's disregarded the logical evidence that I'm green. Now I don't want to start a bandwagon, but could someone who's been following the game let me in on what evidence we have that Wysp is really a veteran? I suspect he is trying to get me killed to sabotage the game.

Now I can understand why someone would think I'm mafia from my past behavior (which was in jest), but Wysp has never bothered to respond to the arguments others have made that I'm innocent. He just keeps posting "Hang Ahrara". He even said "for unclue related reasons" we should hang me.

I AM NOT TRYING TO BANDWAGON WYSP. I don't want ppl to vote for him... I frankyl haven't been followign close enough to see if the evidence matches him. But those of you who have can use it as a starting point, since it is obvious I'm green.

If you guys bandwagon me, tbh I don't really care. I'm not going to defend myself. The evidence that I'm green is already there, and is very firm.
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
July 31 2008 07:40 GMT
#6786
On July 30 2008 14:14 Meta wrote:
Sometimes I wonder if it all was really worth it. Sure, there were 20 mafia amongst are 130 something brethren at the start, but was killing them really worth all this death? How will we pick up the pieces in the future with so few alive, and so few, still, active? This disaster that has struck our town, so much death, will we ever be able to move on? Over the course of three short weeks our numbers have dwindled so low, that if we win, will we really be winning?

wth
lynch this guy
what are you the town poet
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
August 03 2008 09:46 GMT
#6807
I am the real mafia. LOL seriously I am. Lynch me
in Afghanistan we have 20% literacy rate
ahrara_
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Afghanistan1715 Posts
August 06 2008 06:00 GMT
#6918
Great game guys. I really came into this wanting to get deeply involved, but from the outset I realized I was getting a lot of the analysis wrong and figured I'd just sit this one out and let the people who know what they're doing do their thing. Great job plexa, ace, etc., and the last few pages made great reading. huge rofflemao at the IRC incident =)

Obviously, my "I am a mafia" thing was just idiotic trolling. Shoot me ;(.
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