EPTOn March 13 2008 14:03 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
I'm baaaack. Hide your children.
I'm baaaack. Hide your children.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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And ya, I signed up by pming Chiui earlier. Just kidding goon. No hate. Just <3. | ||
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On March 13 2008 19:50 Empyrean wrote: Oh boy. This is exciting :D Town looks like it has a much higher chance to win this game. I'm still working on the game one write-up. It took me 50 minutes to write 1498 words, and it only analyzes up to immediately after the mayoral election so far. I'm looking forward to reading it O_O. How much do you wanna bet chuiu will make fusionsdf mafia just fuck with us? | ||
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On March 14 2008 05:12 BluzMan wrote: A quick suggestion: Since I've already played mafia on a forum that excels at this (20+ seasons), it's really better to make a separate thread for each day and each voting. Close treads after day/voting ends, it's in fact easier to find them in the closed forum than in general, besides, no mess ups. Quoted for emphasis. This is a great idea. | ||
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On March 14 2008 14:38 qrs wrote: OK, so far fusion, caller, and Empyrean have all said that they will run for mayor no matter what. That means that if they end up mafioso, the Mafia practically has to put them up for election, otherwise it will be clear that they are Mafia (why else wouldn't they run). IOW, if the Mafia puts up, say, two candidates, and any of these three are in the Mafia, he will be one of the two candidates. Something to keep in mind. That doesn't make any logical sense. How would withdrawing their candidacy in any way make them look like scum? | ||
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Oh Oh, we're electing a mayor. I'll vote later. | ||
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From there a team can be developed, people with roles should PM the mayor, and he sends detectives to investigate them to be sure. Only mafia would fake roles, so investigating them serves as hard proof of their legit role, or will reveal a mafia faking a role. Ghar, your plan is seriously flawed. I don't think you've thought this through, which is why I'm going to encourage people not to vote for you. If there was a contest over best election poster however, you'd win by a landslide. There are four detectives. They can use their role finding abilities twice in the game, and once a day. However, noone knows who the detectives are. A mafia mayor could have a fellow mobster, even two, pretend to be detectives and report that you're the mayor. You could have the detectives detect the detectives, but that'd cause the same problem, and the real detectives would be using their abilities in vain. So it's not that easy, but at least it's better than what FS did. edit: For chrissake, if you're going to run for mayor, do more than a half-assed job. Can't be worse than fakesteve doesn't cut it. | ||
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I'm sure you didn't read his entire post, because the strategy makes a lot of sense EVEN when the Mayor is Mafia because it forces the Mayor to do some work that benefits the Town. I don't understand. If the mayor is mafia, and he convinces the real detectives to find out people's roles for him, then it's pretty much game over. If he's not mafia, he can't absolutely trust the detectives, because the mafia could be faking 4 detectives and reporting mob members as having the roles. BTW Ghar, I didn't mean you were half-assing it. I mean, well, it's clear the liquidians I'm talking about. | ||
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Also, I feel like a lot of people aren't giving the mayoral election a lot of thought. A HUGE amount of the detective work rests on the mayor's shoulders. Voting for somebody because they mass PMed you is a bad idea. If you're running for mayor on those grounds, seriously, give it a break. | ||
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1. Empyrean does not appear to have read much of the analysis from last night, including Ace's Bodyguard plan. He doesn't appear to have a good grasp of what's going on. He is basically trying to coerce us into voting for him because he may or may not be a detective. 2. Everybody may or may not be a detective. Claiming you are one at this point is ZERO reason to believe you are a detective, and not mafia. There is no hard evidence pointing in either direction. 3. Cost/Benefit analysis: I. Empyrean is a detective and we -- a. Vote him in. Great, he has protection. With Ace as the mayor (it looks like he's going to win), it means he'll be a pardoner and probably take a less minor role in leadership. I think after he colludes with Ace, he'll do a good job. b. Vote for someone else very unlikely to be mafia, i.e. Ghar or randombum. You will need several medics to keep Emp alive, because doubtless the mafia are going to devote a lot of killing power to get him out of the game. II. Empyrean is scum and we -- a. Vote him in. Ace will find out he is scum and we'll lynch him. We'll be down one pardoner, meaning one less person with bodyguard protection and no pardoning power. b. Vote for someone else. Ace will coordinate the real detectives to find out that he's scum, and the town will lynch the piano playing, twice-mafia bastard. Dieeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. How good each scenario is, in order, with how good each scenario is on a scale of 1-10, 5 being neutral. 1. Don't vote for Emp, find out he's scum, kill him, and have a list of suspects based on who voted for him, among other things. (10) 2. Vote for emp, and we get a protected detective (6, because under Ace's plan, detectives are kept secret anyway). 3. Don't vote for emp We lose a detective, but we vote in a reliable pardoner, who is probably not mafia -- in my mind either Ghar or randombum. (4) 4. The WORST is Empyrean being scum and we vote him in. (1) The best we can do by voting for emp is a 6. The worst is a 1. The best we can do by NOT voting for Emp is a 10, and the worst is a 4. Losing a detective is not a huge loss because we have a lot. A pardoner is important because it keeps the mob in check, and nullifies the bandwagon effect. There are things the mayor and pardoner can know that the town can't. This town would fare better losing a detective than a pardoner. For that reason, I strongly recommend you Do NOT vote for Empyrean. Lightning edit: I wrote "best" instead of "worst". | ||
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First, a protected detective is NOT that valueable. Under Ace's plan, it will be made clear who the detectives are. He will be their mouthpiece, and their identities will remain secret. They can only die if they're accidentally killed off. Second, you can't really save somebody if the Mafia is determined to kill them. They can use several kill points to make sure they take out an important role. It might be viable in the beginning, when you have all 7 medics saving one person because that's the only one they know is worth saving, but it would difficult to keep him alive for long when there are more people (including innocent townies who are likely to be targetted just becaused the contribute a lot) worth saving later in the game. Finally, clues at this point are useless. I can't emphasize this enough. Let me try again. CLUES AT THIS POINT ARE USELESS. All this pointless, unsubstantiated finger pointing is annoying, QUIT IT. When a lot of them start to add up, and there's behavioral clues to add to it, then it becomes worth talking about. A lot of people were lynched last game on a whim. Let's not do that again. The clues pointing to Ghar aren't very sound at all. I don't buy them for a second, but if a lot of them started to suggest him loosely, then I'll consider it some more. In fact, I would ask that clue analysis be kept to yourself for now, because it makes you a target and it causes unneeded and unwarranted suspicions amongst townies. Although you should by all means continue analyzing, just post them ONLY when you have a strong case against someone. This and this clue might point to this person is pure shit. The town can only be hurt by this pointless finger pointing. Oh man, that's a terrible pun. ;( | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:53 Empyrean wrote: Such cleverly disguised misdirection against me won't work. Don't use such a leading tone; you incite suspicion against yourself. Chill. I posted what I felt was reasonable. I don't know if you're real or not atm, and I didn't mean anything by that adjective. My numerical assignments were based on my subjective opinion. I only introduced it to make my point more clear. I think if you fuddle the numbers around some, you'd come up with the same conclusion, that the risk of voting for you outweight the benefits. We have 4 detectives, and not two like last game. It sucks to have to lose one, but we can deal with three. I still feel that the pardoner, because he is protected and because he can keep the town in check, is more valuable. With 130 people, he'll likely be able to pardon more than last game too. Seriously, I think your decision to reveal your role was a bad idea, regardless if you're mafia or townie. You could've become mayor by campaigning hard, adopting Ace's plan, and using your reputation from last game. It would've helped if you'd started earlier. Then, we would've had a detective mayor, and not had to go through this drama. It comes down to this: We don't know if you're detective or scum or a townie who wants the mayoral position bad. There is absolutely no more reason to believe you're any of these roles than there is to believe that I am any of these roles. This is a simple, sound, and logical fact. On the other hand, the suspicions your actions invoked seriously hurt your chances of winning. How? This is what I keep asking. We can't coordinate unless the detectives can all trust someone. They can only trust someone if they know he is towny. That means either: we waste 3/8 of the valuable yes/no questions, or the mayor reveals a bodyguard. Ace has said he does not want to reveal a bodyguard immediately, so how will he be able to coordinate the detectives? He's going to have to reveal a bodyguard then. Sacrificing somebody to make sure the mayor can be trusted is worth it. I'm not actually sure about the specifics... Ace, wanna follow up? | ||
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I'm not sure if it's worth sacrificing a detective to prove the mayor's innocence, but his ability to coordinate the town without being hit seems powerful enough to warrant it. So unless this round proves me wrong, I'm going to reserve my vote unless a candidate is willing to make that sacrifice, or shows me the flaw in my logic. | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:47 Ace wrote: If ANY Detective speaks up against the Mayor and we can't decide whether or not who to believe, we go to the ultimatum approach - just lynch the DT first and if he is telling the truth the Mayor is Mafia. Boom - Mafia Mayor gone by the second day. That's what I was looking for. You've completely won me over. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:54 ahrara_ wrote: CLUES AT THIS POINT ARE USELESS. All this pointless, unsubstantiated finger pointing is annoying, QUIT IT. When a lot of them start to add up, and there's behavioral clues to add to it, then it becomes worth talking about. A lot of people were lynched last game on a whim. Let's not do that again. The clues pointing to Ghar aren't very sound at all. I don't buy them for a second, but if a lot of them started to suggest him loosely, then I'll consider it some more. In fact, I would ask that clue analysis be kept to yourself for now, because it makes you a target and it causes unneeded and unwarranted suspicions amongst townies. Although you should by all means continue analyzing, just post them ONLY when you have a strong case against someone. This and this clue might point to this person is pure shit. The town can only be hurt by this pointless finger pointing. I actually find a lot of his one liners pretty funny. I really don't. | ||
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I think those 2 should be in the top list of who to lynch first, pretty good connections made by xdark.carnivalx 1-Zeks 2-CTStalker This is just bad logic. You can't go about lynching people based on one clue. A lot of clues from last game were misinterpreted so that innocents were lynched. People ignored behavioral clues. Had they paid attention to how people posted, Empyrean would've been long dead. There are people whose behaviors already warrant serious suspicion, besides the obvious ones, if you take the time to look at people's posting history. | ||
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The only reason people believe Empyrean is worth putting in that valuable spot is because he claims he is a detective. This is not verifiable information in any way, and there is no reason to trust Empyrean. For the purpose of electing a mayor, that statement can be tossed out the window. Randombum is just as likely to be a detective as Empyrean. However, there's the added bonus that randombum is less likely to be a mafia ploy because he announced his campaign before the game started, whereas Empyrean's role claiming makes him suspect. Emp's poor decision making and suspicious activity make him a poor candidate for a leadership role, whatever his reputation from last game may be. This is not grounds to support emp at all. I strongly urge everybody to VOTE RANDOMBUM in order to keep Empyrean out of office. If you're holding out because you think Empyrean taking Pardoner is inevitable -- it's not. We just need TEN people to vote randombum, or FIVE people to change their vote. That's out of 130 people playing. Change your vote now, before it's too late. | ||
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On March 19 2008 18:08 Ghar wrote: No love for Ghar? =[ Well, you had my vote initially. Unfortunately, you're the Ralph Nader of this election. If you endorsed randombum, we can keep Empyrean out of office, which I think is important. | ||
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I am not saying Empyrean is Mafia. I don't even have strong suspicions at the moment. I would NOT vote to lynch him, and strongly suggest that paramedics protect him the first night, until we verify his role, and until he uses both his role checks himself. I am arguing from a logical point of view that there is no reason to trust that he is detective. There is no reason to believe he's not a detective either. I'm just saying that given that we can't trust anybody, it's equally likely randombum is a detective. Role claiming at this point is useless, and more likely to be a ploy. If Emp turns out ot be innocent, well fuck me. I'll end up looking like a moron, and Ace too. In my opinion though, it's better to be safe than sorry. | ||
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On March 19 2008 19:06 CDRdude wrote: If you know so much about American politics, why does your profile list you as from Afghanistan? I'm not really sure about Ralph Nader's international prestige, but I really doubt it extends to Afghanistan. And it might not extend to Australia either, which is what Ghar's profile lists. Dude. Afghanistan was the first country on the list. I am obviously from the states. For game purposes, I'm not going to change it now. | ||
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Ya, I forgot about the suicide bomber. So Empyrean's screwed. That's his fault. | ||
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On March 20 2008 08:32 Yogurt wrote: thats not the one, but again, ill wait for ace to post it again Go ahead and post it now, so we can discuss it and ACE will see if he can correct it before finalizing the plan. | ||
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On March 20 2008 09:00 butidigress wrote: I think we're making a big mistake here by not voting for Empyrean. I feel fairly confident he's a DT; I cannot imagine mafia making that kind of bold move. Even with the saboteur position removing his powers while he is being protected, I think we would do well to have someone who is most likely a townie to be up there. Also, why is everyone so confident that Ace and randombum are clean? While Ace's plan is pretty good, that shouldn't guarantee his innocence. Why are you so convinced Emp is innocent? Electing the mayor is a shot in the dark. We don't know if they are or aren't townies. We do the best we can. The best we can suggests that Ace is innocent, because he's contributed a lot of ideas that can help the town. Emp made a stupid decision that can either cost us a detective or land up with a mafia as pardoner. Nobody is voting by certainty, just by likelihood. Just because there's the possibility you'll be hit by a bus doesn't mean you shouldn't cross the street. As for the detective innocence problem -- this is a big issue. The problem is the detectives don't know who each other are, and to be sure the investigation is actually completed, they'll ALL have to use up a role check on the mayor. My solution is simple. Instead, we should have both jacks check up on the mayor. Jacks are not as useful, and we'll be wasting two checks instead of four, and we can't have emp do it (assuming he is a detective) because no doubt the mafia will use a saboteur on him. If we rely on emp, it'll be another night before we find out if the mayor is clean. that means we'll end up killing several bodyguards and potentially the mayor for a mafiaso. not a good trade. This has been brought up a million times. The bodyguard plan has already been shown to be a flawed method for proving the mayor's innocence. The only way to be sure is to sacrifice a jack. That's likely what will end up happening. EDIT: OOPS! I misunderstood the jack's role. Ignore what I just said. It's better to sacrifice four detective role checks than lose a jack. | ||
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This is the 3rd times already that im telling you to learn how to make a proper quote. Stop only quoting what a certain person wrote, Leave His NAME. What do you mean? | ||
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I really think people shouldn't do this yet. Ace seems trustworthy, but it could all be a ploy to earn our trust. An experienced player would know just how to pull that off. If that's the case, he probably figured he could sacrifice himself to make it harder, if not impossible, for townies to get organized. | ||
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Alven: I sure as hell hope detectives aren't revealing their roles to him. | ||
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Tomorrow morning I think will have been long enough for at least one detective to post in case you are mafia. Then we can really get started =). | ||
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On March 21 2008 07:26 French_Toast wrote: Okay, first of all thanks for insulting me directly, now I have an excuse to put you down. Secondly, are you the type of n00b that when he gets a great game and plays it, he types in cheat codes automatically? Funny how you get all sensitive when someone insults you, but it's ok for you to be a bitch to everyone else. I don't really care about what French_Toast has to say. I just hope the townies realize that just a few people being persuaded to not send in their PMs by this possible mafia ploy are going to seriously weaken Ace's plan. It's possible the mafia realize this, and have sent a saboteur in to get enough people upset that the plan doesn't work. Send in your PMs, for everyone's sake. | ||
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On March 21 2008 11:18 SonuvBob wrote: If Ace isn't roleblocked, it'll show up when he votes tomorrow (6 votes vs 1). It'd be a bad idea to lie about that. It doesn't affect voting. | ||
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On March 22 2008 07:54 GeneralStan wrote: no way is mafia going to lynch Empyrean. The waste of detective checking on him is enough to keep him alive Unless Emp actually is a detective and the whole townie thing was a last ditch effort to save himself. If I were mafia, I'd figure it's more valuable to kill Emp than to risk letting a detective go free. | ||
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I don't know whether to be relieved or hurt the mafia doesn't think I'm worth killing. Since I don't like dealing with clues, I'll let other people worry about that. Some things I noticed though -- 6 people dead, meaning either the mafia chose not to use all its killing power, or they chose to use more than one kill on at least one of the dead people, or they attacked somebody with at least 3 paramedics defending. I think the last option is the most likely. I strongly feel that the protected person was Empyrean. There is nobody else they'd have a reason to send more than one guy after, and given Emp's claim as a townie, they probably didn't want to risk wasting a suicide bomber on him. Now that they found he's being protected, they might read that as either he is actually a detective or that he's worth sending a suicide bomber after. Either way, I think it vindicates Emp. Or maybe I'm missing something. I get the feeling I'm missing something. Another point is that the mafia don't appear that smart this game. They killed people who were under heavy suspicion, notably CTStalker and oneBlueAugust. I was ready to vote against him on the basis of the grudge clue alone. They did not kill people whose analysis was more helpful, like carnival and shallow. I'm sorry mynock's gone. His posts were usually worth reviewing. I'm interested in seeing what our clue interpreters pick up. | ||
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And that'll teach blues to lynch/kill people without better evidence. | ||
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1. Matching clues to people with suspicious behavior and detective information. I don't say clue interpretation because as CTStalker's case has shown, even the most apparently strong clues are "right" only half the time. If we do have a clue that seems very strong, I'm sure Ace will have a detective investigate it. We should never lynch on the basis of a clue alone. 2. PM Ace your roles. WTF seriously, you should've done this already, especially if you're a blue. 3. Hold your horses and don't lynch/kill/plant a bomb unless you're sure, based on more than just clues, that the person is mafia. | ||
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On March 22 2008 13:54 L wrote: Also: The medics on emp and emp himself will know if he was targetted, so the medics can pm ace to tell him if emp was targetted or not. This is information Ace is probably not going to reveal publicly, unless a bandwagon gets started with Emp on top. So I'm just speculating. Anyway, Emp was my top suspect until now. | ||
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On March 22 2008 14:01 ShadowDrgn wrote: Yogurt did the right thing. He could only plant one bomb a night but could remove them at any time so the best strategy was to plant a bomb on the most suspicious person, which was CTStalker. Yogurt being randomly killed and CTStalker being a Jack were both really bad luck, just like your lynching of incontrol. Good strategy, bad luck. No, it's just as shitty of a strategy as lynching people on a whim. Planting a bomb is just as good as killing somebody. I admit I was sold on Stalker's clue, and would've voted for him if there were no other suspects, but I still think clues alone are the weakest thing to go on. Nobody should kill somebody if all we have against them is a clue. | ||
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I was sure the saved person was Empyrean. If it wasn't, then that's a very good reason to suspect him. | ||
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Good game Ghar. And I almost voted for you. | ||
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On March 23 2008 14:37 Ace wrote: ok time to go, my ride is here. later people! Our mayor doesn't have a license  . | ||
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First, Ace is trying to maintain order and establish discipline. He's not defending Ghar on a whim. While I think it's clear that Ghar is mafia, I also realize that townie discipline will be crucial to making sure we don't lynch the wrong people on a bandwagon. I strongly urge everybody to listen to Ace. If it comes down to the last hour and there's no response, then we simply lynch Ghar anyway. Second, Ace is trying to make sure that Ghar is mafia in fact. I personally buy the clue completely, but it never hurts to double check. If everybody votes for Ghar right now, and it turns out he's innocent at the last minute, then there's nothing we can do about it. If most people abstain, then we'll be able to save Ghar and lynch a real mafioso. As for Ace's innocence, there's a remote possibility he's actually mafia. We have to keep this possibility open. Again, I urge any detective that has not investigated Ace already to do so now, just in the off chance that the three other detectives have not already done so. Still, since we have nothing better to go off of, we have very good reason to trust him. If Ace were mafia, I don't think he'd be stupid enough to risk his credibility defending an obvious mafia like Ghar. One Mafia alone isn't worth it. (Anyway, when he votes, we'll see if he's actually roleblocked. You are going to vote, right Ace?) He certainly would NOT be trying to establish order in the town. Finally, there's some of you that need to manner up. We're all in this game for fun. Part of what takes away from that is a bunch of people acting like 15 year olds. If you disagree with somebody, bring it up in public, and do it respectfully. I don't want to read your whiny, unpunctuated bullshit on this thread or in my mailbox. If you can't understand that this is a game and people are playing it to have fun, then get the fuck out. | ||
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On March 24 2008 05:59 Ace wrote: I'm not going to lynch Ghar solely on the fact that we've got a much more sure fire situation in catching Mafia on our hands right now. Are you investigating Ghar at least? I read your post from before, but I think Ghar's clue is a much more "sure fire" case. I think for the sake of your credibility, you should encourage Ghar's lynching. | ||
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On March 24 2008 13:10 bumatlarge wrote: Is it me, or did the vanilla get really boring fast. I'd like to be independent and look at clues and vote for people i think are mafia, but with ace as mayor, and all the blues knowing whos who and working together, I'm fairly bored. Now I honestly want to stir shit, because It's becoming a spectator sport townies, and then voting for who ace tells us too, cause he's basically a guaranteed townie. I wish Emp was mayor, that would have been fun. No offense ace... Ya, I kinda agree. I think the town's ability to organize really hurts the fun of the game. Last game was awesome to follow because of all the drama. It was exciting to see mandalor get caught, and it was a clever move on ace's part but meh, I get the feeling the rest of the game is going to be straightforward, with mafia after mafia being caught because of clues. | ||
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On March 25 2008 01:40 HeRoS)Pink wrote: well thats what is happening with dr.dragon and kuja900 they both were in the first to vote and they voted for each other, and they both didnt even posted one time iirc PS: wasnt there a clue about a dragon? Could be Kuja voted dragoon for shits and giggles. Dragoon retaliates. It may be worth checking them out, but it shouldn't be a priority. Mafia wouldn't be dumb enough to be the sole voter on somebody... right? | ||
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On March 25 2008 01:41 Ace wrote: Sorry I should have expounded this point. I sent Mandalor the PM to tell me the info way b4 I accused him publicly. smurf voted for Mandalor a little bit before that time. We're just interested in how he voted for the guy when there were no clues pointing to him, even when we knew he was Mafia and couldn't find a thing. No dude, if you read smurfingchobo's post, it's been edited. He also pointed out that it was edited after voting ends. On the 23rd he abstained. After your announcement he edited his vote. So there's nothing suspicious. | ||
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Just some pondering: I can see why the mafia would want to field a fake medic, then they would be in on who's being saved. But a veteran??? What the hell? | ||
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On March 25 2008 02:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Hey cool, what was your initial impression of me? Now I wanna know too. | ||
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Wrong. Risk of getting caught as a vet is very slim, still it harasses the town. It's a good trade for the mafia. Wrong. When there's nothing else to go off of, and there are clues pointing vaguely at one of the three, then you're going to get picked off next. And it doesn't cause any confusion that's useful. Who cares who the vets are? | ||
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On March 25 2008 14:35 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Does every Mafia player and their cousin make narrative writeups nowadays? In mine, show time kills you with an electric dildo. -_-' | ||
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Looks like someone doesn't have a very good sense of humor. So far, you're the only one who's stepped up to complain about that. No. He's not. | ||
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It's a matter of posts without content clogging up the useful posts. It's just kind of annoying. I'm not saying you shouldn't have banter, I've done it, just could everyone tone it down some. I haven't been keeping up with the thread lately because of starcraft & all my spring break reading =(, so I will be abstaining. I'm not following Ace's plan because I haven't been able to review the evidence/logic and I'm not certain. You can suspect me if you want, but I'm going to be voting for some random person so you can check with a DT. | ||
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On March 26 2008 05:32 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: count me too. This is a thread to play the game not to spam mercilessly, please keep it to objective points, i hate too to go through a bunch of spam post that add no content and just make dificult to read. BTW, I dont think winning IS boring :p On March 20 2008 10:49 Mynock wrote: Shallow, will you please stop with the incessant harassments? You have done absolutely nothing else the last 60 pages. And yes, we're all aware you're just "having fun". Also, probably the best strategy would be for the medics to decide themselves if they want to protect Empyrean or not, this way the mafia will have to guess whether to use up their suicide bomber (and potentially waste him) or just use up some of their killing power (and still not get the kill). Let them guess. On March 13 2008 13:58 Chuiu wrote: 2. Try to keep posting mafia game related, the thread gets hard to read and annoying when there are 12 posts of spam per 1 post of actual content. On March 26 2008 06:03 ahrara_ wrote: It's a matter of posts without content clogging up the useful posts. It's just kind of annoying. I'm not saying you shouldn't have banter, I've done it, just could everyone tone it down some. I haven't been keeping up with the thread lately because of starcraft & all my spring break reading =(, so I will be abstaining. I'm not following Ace's plan because I haven't been able to review the evidence/logic and I'm not certain. You can suspect me if you want, but I'm going to be voting for some random person so you can check with a DT. Please stop spamming. | ||
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P.S. The drama is getting heated. Fight the man! | ||
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On March 28 2008 12:43 Showtime! wrote: considering none of us gave it to him and the guy took it upon himself to break in he has officially ruined the game. Oh well, we'll suck it up and find a way to win I guess, but that is total balls. Hopefully an Admin will ban him period, but I would like an explanation beforehand as well. Quick being so dramatic. I don't see anybody else throwing a fit. Nor do you have sure evidence that araav "hacked it", and that it wasn't an internal leak. IF araav really did hack, then I agree, get rid of this guy from all future mafia games. It's the same of shittiness, in my mind, as SonuvBob using his admin powers to look through PMs (assuming he has them). Yes, it is a risk setting up a chat room, but when someone does something illegal to get in, then no way should that be tolerated. On the other hand, if he got in through social engineering, then that's too bad for you guys. I want town to win, of course (  ), but we have to take responsibility if somebody on the inside leaked information. | ||
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On March 28 2008 13:20 CDRdude wrote: Showtime, please stop your damn whining. Its annoying, immature, and reeks of being an attention-whore. Of all the people in this thread, after your behavior, you should be the last person to whine for a ban. Please stop. I agree. Showtime, you need to calm the fuck down. You're stirring up a pretty minor incident into a fucking drama-fest. The way you post is annoying, and I hope either that you shape up or that you're banned from future mafia games. Whatever side you're on, your attitude detract from the game's fun. And sorry for the triple post, but I want to avoid editing in here. | ||
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On March 28 2008 13:31 Showtime! wrote: read my post again, i just edited it. bum like i said before it was pretty well hidden for him to find it. So he can't hack it unless he finds out about it. He can't find out about it unless somebody tells him about it. Therefore, somebody told him about it. Simple, capiche? | ||
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On March 28 2008 23:45 araav wrote: Jesus! Poll: Ban and replace Showtime? (Vote): Ban and replace (Vote): Give him another chance (Vote): Let him talk his crap this is ironic given my recent blog post but get rid of the little ten year old piece of shit please. I'm voting to lynch him. | ||
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On March 29 2008 08:33 Showtime! wrote: hey man, i've been hanging relatively low for the last while now. the only thing I bothered pursuing was this araav bs, but we're done with that no you fucking haven't, are you stupid? | ||
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And may I be the first to offer the mafia a hearty thank-you for hitting showtime. It's appreciated. oh my god, two detectives!!! nice going Acehole! It's not ace's fault mafia got the DTs. Empyrean gave himself away, and New104 looks like good luck. | ||
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ninja edit: I am absolutely most definitely lying about my Psychic role. Did I make that clear? I am not a Psychic. There is no such role. Definitely not, that would be ridiculous. | ||
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On May 11 2008 11:27 Plexa wrote: 85-ahrara_ Display Name : ahrara_ Birthday : Country : Afghanistan Joined : Tuesday, 26th of February 2008 Quote : Running 8 min of T in the LOC. Name Meaning: Clues: Image: + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://teamliquid.net/userfiles/34924.jpg?1206120550) pimpin | ||
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On May 18 2008 20:48 Plexa wrote: howdy ho town! So what happened at this debate tournament is that my team broke 1st (ie going into the semifinals we were the strongest team) and then lost the semifinals based on a technicality  really really sucks What tournament was this? Do you mean you lost to a procedural? One time I had a team come up with a total bullshit interpretation, but they won because they prepared we went all out topicality but they had prepared an 8 minute subpointed T rebuttal during prep... | ||
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I mean I'm not surprised. Because I'm mafia. | ||
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Wysp is right tho. I am mafia =) | ||
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On July 19 2008 02:38 Bill307 wrote: Uh... what? Edit: apparently you used to have a profile pic before, judging from the "TLMafia alive users" blog. What happened to it? I got a job and started blogging about it. Didn't want to risk being identified. If anybody wants the pic tho, they're free to PM me. | ||
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maybe I'm neither mafia or townie did you ever think about that? | ||
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I CALLED IT | ||
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Are my posts on this thread getting deleted? Because I swear I wrote something this morning and now it's gone. | ||
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Now I can understand why someone would think I'm mafia from my past behavior (which was in jest), but Wysp has never bothered to respond to the arguments others have made that I'm innocent. He just keeps posting "Hang Ahrara". He even said "for unclue related reasons" we should hang me. I AM NOT TRYING TO BANDWAGON WYSP. I don't want ppl to vote for him... I frankyl haven't been followign close enough to see if the evidence matches him. But those of you who have can use it as a starting point, since it is obvious I'm green. If you guys bandwagon me, tbh I don't really care. I'm not going to defend myself. The evidence that I'm green is already there, and is very firm. | ||
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On July 30 2008 14:14 Meta wrote: Sometimes I wonder if it all was really worth it. Sure, there were 20 mafia amongst are 130 something brethren at the start, but was killing them really worth all this death? How will we pick up the pieces in the future with so few alive, and so few, still, active? This disaster that has struck our town, so much death, will we ever be able to move on? Over the course of three short weeks our numbers have dwindled so low, that if we win, will we really be winning? wth lynch this guy what are you the town poet | ||
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Obviously, my "I am a mafia" thing was just idiotic trolling. Shoot me ;(. | ||
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