EPTTown looks like it has a much higher chance to win this game.
I'm still working on the game one write-up. It took me 50 minutes to write 1498 words, and it only analyzes up to immediately after the mayoral election so far.
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Town looks like it has a much higher chance to win this game. I'm still working on the game one write-up. It took me 50 minutes to write 1498 words, and it only analyzes up to immediately after the mayoral election so far. | ||
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On March 14 2008 16:16 qrs wrote: All I was saying was: assuming that 1) the Mafia will not cancel someone's candidacy, and 2) the Mafia does not want to put up more than X number of candidates, then 3) a candidate who had locked himself into running beforehand would have slightly higher odds of being Mafia than a candidate who hadn't. Look, I'm willing to drop the subject: it's only a slight difference. You didn't pass Statistics, did you :/ No fucking way is there an increase in chance of candidates being mafia if they decided before-hand that they would run for mayor no matter what. Especially since deciding to run before-hand is determined by the player and mafia status is chosen randomly by Chuiu. | ||
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On March 14 2008 22:47 qrs wrote: It's not really worth getting into again, but my assumption was that a player's deciding to run beforehand would have an influence on the Mafia's decisions afterward (if that player was assigned to be Mafia). IOW, not that there is an increase in the chance of him being Mafia, but that there is a decrease in the chance of other Mafia running. If you don't agree, OK. Oh, I had no clue what you had intended to mean in your first post. In that case, I think I'll agree with what you had to say. | ||
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I'm running for mayor as well. I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things. Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself. The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor. Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town'll be down a detective without me even asking anything :[ | ||
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1. Even if I were mafia, a mafia mayor would still be good for the town. Think about it. Mayors have to act in town interest. If he doesn't, there is mass suspicion against him, and he can be lynched. It's in the town's best interest to always enact double-lynches. If, for some reason, the mayor declines, he's pretty much voted dead the next day. 2. Yes, I am forcing the town's hand. I'm fine with having someone confirm me as a detective, or for having people give me questions to confirm. If I am not mayor or pardoner, I'll be a likely target for the mafia the first night. They're smart enough to put multiple hits on people to ensure bodyguard protection is wasted. If mafia don't target me first night, I'll be able to reveal some more clues until they're forced to kill me or otherwise be revealed. [b]3. A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Why? At the end of the game, it's likely that at least one bodyguard will still be alive. When the playing field has diminished so greatly, I'll be able to ask "What is [player]'s role" which leads to an immediate mafia death. That's why you should vote for me. | ||
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On March 19 2008 05:31 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Last game there was no Mafia candidate for Mayor. I can guarantee that this game there's going to be at least one, seeing as how last game if we'd had a mayor we would have taken the win a week earlier. That could be just what the mafia want us to think. If I have a bodyguard protection, the first thing I'm going to ask is whether or not there were any mafia candidates. | ||
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On March 19 2008 06:52 GeneralStan wrote: I don't trust you Empyrean. Revealing your detective role is foolish and it puts the town in a hard position. The only thing we have to trust is your word, and in this game, nobody's word is worth anything. I think a better goal for a detective would be to not draw attention to himself, opposite what you're doing. I'm not going to vote for you just because you claim to be a detective. There's no verification, and it would be easy for the mafia to throw out such a claim and secure a position of power based on the logic "We don't know, so we should protect him!" 1. I need guaranteed protection for my role to be of most use to the town. 2. Even if I WERE a mafia mayor/pardoner, anything I do against public will will cast suspicion on me anyway. So why not have an experienced player who has an insurmountably important role be an elected officer? | ||
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You may view my revealing of my detective role to be a sort of ultimatum to get me elected to something. The truth is - it is. You can't risk my premature death to the mafia. If I hadn't ran, I would have gathered clues for a few days and then revealed them. If I had revealed each clue individually and I weren't guaranteed protection, I would be dead the next night. And I KNOW that after last game, I'll be on the mafia hit list - I am not a mafia member, and they'll know to take out the best players first. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:01 Mynock wrote: Empyrian, none of the points you made make any sense. Every further post you make just makes you look more and more suspicious. I don't see what kind of tactic it is to always enable double lynches and why it is in town's best interest. I don't see how "bodyguard protection is wasted" once mafia will put multiple targets up. In fact, I don't even get it what you want to say :/ Equally like "A detective mayor/pardoner is the best bet for the town. Even more so than a DT mayor." So a detective mayor is better than a detective mayor? What? 1. DT is the dark templar role, which can kill anyone. 2. Enabling double lynches allows for more mafia deaths - lynches are the only way we can kill mafia. 3. I meant to say paramedic. If I'm not mayor/pardoner and a paramedic protects me, the mafia are smart enough to post two hits on me to ensure my death. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:07 GeneralStan wrote: Wait up. I thought we had been using DT to mean Detective Yes, my mistake. I thought we had Dark Templar. We actually have Suicide Bombers. They do the same thing. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:05 Mynock wrote: I thought so too, but why is he using "/" then? :/ And what does it have to do with his goal? Is he asking for an "other" detective to come out as well? And all this talk about "a mafia mayor is just as good" is just... No. I thought DT stood for Dark Templar. We don't have those in this game. They're Suicide Bombers. So I meant to say Suicide Bombers. But seriously, read my latest argument post for my candidacy. It spells out exactly why I need to be elected. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:08 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Oooh alright. I don't see how a SB mayor could be considered good for town in any case, besides the fact that their role is basically nullified. It ensures that the mayor is safe from Suicide Bombers if all the bodyguards die - the paramedics will still probably protect the mayor. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:09 Mynock wrote: Dark Templar? The term DT was used before in this thread several times, always denoting detective. What Dark Templar? I'm beginning to think now that Empyrean, if not mafia, is a towny saboteur who wants to cause misunderstanding just for fun cause he only got a plain towny or something. Either way, I don't know what to make of all of this yet, but you sure drew a hell of a lot of attention to yourself. Yes, my mistake, I hadn't realized DT meant detective instead of the suicide bomber role. But it's in the town's best interest to vote me. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Please reconsider your non-vote for me as a mafia candidate. There are a few posts in: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=33&topic_id=67925 The above is a must-read. It clearly delineates my platform and decisions. Please reconsider your vote. Also: If I'm mayor, keep in mind that town can always vote to lynch mayor. I will always declare double lynch when the town wants it. If, after all my double lynches are done and my role is therefore pretty much useless, if you still have doubts of my detective role, you can lynch me. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:13 Mynock wrote: The suicide bombers can't kill a mayor, it wouldn't make any sense whatsoever if they could. So either you haven't read the rules at all (don't know the roles, don't know the abilities), or you're doing all this deliberately, or you said something you now want to be unsaid. Any case, I think it's now in your best interest to step down from the election and let us decide later  Because either you're not serious enough about the task of a mayor or a mafia. Not a good choice any way. Plus you've now made yourself sound suspicious. 1. I mean after the bodyguards are dead, even if paramedics protect the mayor/pardoner, the suicide bomber can still kill them. 2. I'm acting in the best interest of the town. My (in effect) ultimatum was to force the town to act in the best interest of itself. You can always lynch me if you have doubts. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:15 qrs wrote: The problem is: the pardoner role is not so useful to the town, but it is rather useful to the Mafia. False. If the pardoner pardons someone out of the blue, it'll invite serious suspicion. If I'm mayor, it'll guarantee that the people he pardons are legitimate townies (although I won't really want to waste a detection on confirming that). | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:17 Mynock wrote: That's your personal view of course, so be it. But if a mayor says that it's the best thing for the town if a mayor is a Suicide Bomber (a MAFIA role) then... Well, I rest my case. You're right. I just reread the first post; a suicide bomber wouldn't be a good choice at all for a mayor O_o. I thought suicide bomber was in a "third party" without allegiances. Kind of like in Tracil's game. Haha. That's probably what I get for reading 30+ pages at a time. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:01 xDark.Carnivalx wrote: we don't want a mafia mayor, because if you do anything that points to being mafia we'll have to lynch you, and lose the benefits of having a mayor. it was not the best idea to say you're detective, as people mentioned, your word alone isn't sufficient enough for us to believe you, and in revealing your role makes you seem a bit selfish in terms of wanting to be assured protection, which isn't a good quality for the mayor. As a potential mayor, it's my job to have the town's best interest in mind. The town's best interest would be to vote me. However, I wouldn't get nearly the amount of votes I would get if I hadn't revealed my role. I know that may sound harsh and counter-intuitive, but just trust me here. | ||
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If there were a mafia pardoner who decides to pardon a mafia member without a "good" reason, the town will suspect him anyway, leading to the revelation of another mafia. Besides, I can always confirm someone's role. | ||
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Keep in mind, though, that I can only do it twice a game. My powers are basically limited to determining whether or not a specific clue points to a specific person. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:22 qrs wrote: How would the town know that the person he pardoned was Mafia? If the pardoner randomly pardons ANYONE, it would invite suspicion. Then more analysis can be made through the clues. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:39 ahrara_ wrote: Voting for Empyrean is the WORST option we have, from a cost-benefit point of view. Empyrean does not appear to have read much of the analysis from last night, including Ace's Bodyguard plan. He doesn't appear to have a good grasp of what's going on. He is basically trying to coerce us into voting for him because he may or may not be a detective. How good each scenario is, in order, with how good each scenario is on a scale of 1-10, 5 being neutral. The best we can do by voting for emp is a 6. The worst is a 1. The best we can do by NOT voting for Emp is a 10, and the worst is a 4. Losing a detective is not a huge loss because we have a lot. Do NOT vote for Empyrean. Lightning edit: I wrote "best" instead of "worst". 1. You think I haven't read the whole thread? Yes, I'm well aware of Ace and Ghar's mayoral strategies, as well as the bodyguard plan. 2. You cannot assign each action on your arbitrary scale. A cost-benefit analysis of this is essentially worthless. 3. Losing a detective is not a huge loss? | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:31 MasterOfChaos wrote: One thing about detective is, that they should mostly ask about who voted for a specific person. A question about a clue has a shannon-entropy of atmost one bit, whereas the question about how many people voted for a specific person usually leads to a significantly higher entropy. Yes, I agree. We should save the "what is this person's role" investigations until the endgame. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:39 ahrara_ wrote: ...Ace will coordinate the real detectives Such cleverly disguised misdirection against me won't work. Don't use such a leading tone; you incite suspicion against yourself. | ||
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2. I support your plan. I probably should have made that more clear. Think about it from a mafia standpoint: If I truly were mafia roleclaiming to be detective, once the election is over and under your plan, the detectives reveal their clues (not publically, of course), it'll be obvious that I wasn't a detective. So why would the mafia risk such a scenario? Quick edit. | ||
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Besides, during the first night, another detectives can verify my role (although it would be very easy for a mafia member to pose a detective while framing me). It's a leap of faith thing. But since no better "roles" came up for the mayoral election, I decided to reveal mine and ensure a good mayoral candidate. | ||
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I'll explain everything fully. Just as me some questions. (and in game now, but feel free to ask me the questions!) | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:25 Ace wrote: None of us can prove that he is the Detective. Basically, it's all going off of his wording and that we should trust him. That is a MAJOR problem for the Town. My problem with your candidacy is that the same thing could apply. You could be mafia as well, and all we have is your word. I'm basically going to be adopting a similar plan, so why not vote for the candidate who actually has a role? (Of course, you may as well.) Also, I don't agree with the bodyguard plan qrs posted wholly - if the mayor were mafia, he could have a mafia member "reveal" that he was a bodyguard, and then the mafia would know the player's jobs/plan/etc., as well as waste a significant amount of paramedic protection. That's why I think that we should investigate any person who claims bodyguard first. But seriously. If I'm elected, just get other detectives to check my role. The mafia will certainly fake some detectives, but I have ways around that which I can't reveal at the moment because it would compromise the method. | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:29 Ace wrote: Empyrean, your posts are not convincing at all. Sorry, but really like you stated it's an act of blind faith which by itself isn't a bad thing - but claiming that you are a Detective early in the game when it can not be verified hurts the town. You do realize this don't you? The role can be verified after the election. What difference would it make? I'm 100% a detective, and by issuing the "ultimatum", I'm guaranteeing that we get a townie detective mayor. It's selfish, but also in the best interests of the town. | ||
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Furthermore, as I was going to be unavailable after my initial post, to only way I could get myself elected was to reveal my role. It's the only way I know of that we would have been guaranteed a townie mayor. While Ace and araav are great choices, I can't know their allegiance. By forcing people to vote for me or face the consequences of losing a detective, I am ensuring a townie mayor. My first post was made, then hours passed, then my second post was made, then hours passed, and then I started to get active in this thread. In case anyone has doubts, please investigate me or ask me to perform some detective duties. To me, the ends justify the means. That's the sole reason I revealed my role. EDIT: time confusion. | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:47 Wysp wrote: So come on Empyrean, start dishing us some good shit if you want votes. Fine. One of my plans to reveal mafia was to ask for a "detective confirmation", in which I would ask, publically all detectives to investigate a bodyguard and PM me the results. I wouldn't reveal that it was a bodyguard. To all those mafia who thought that they could gain my trust, I could immediately know the identity of any mafia who reported to me, but didn't report that the person was a bodyguard. Now, of course, that plan's worthless. I was going to keep my plans secret until I was elected, but it's becoming apparent that I have to give some of them away. | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:57 xDark.Carnivalx wrote: + Show Spoiler [Empyreans post for mayor] + On March 18 2008 19:33 Empyrean wrote: I just woke up! I'm running for mayor as well. I have previous mafia experience, and have a good idea of how mafia like to conduct things. Furthermore, I'll take everyone's opinion into consideration, as well as analyze everything myself. The most important reason, and this is kind of risky saying it, but I am a detective. If I'm elected mayor, I'll be guaranteed to be safe from mafia attacks so I can publish my detective results daily, giving us a large boost. If you want, I can ask some easy questions confirming people's roles so they can back me up. The possibility of a Detective Mayor is something in the town's favor. Also, if you don't vote for me now, mafia will target me first night and the town'll be down a detective without me even asking anything :[ note in his post for mayor he says he just woke up. now he's saying he had to reveal his role because he was going to sleep. perhaps just a minor mistake but it's a bit contradictory? worth noting perhaps? Ah, good find; I probably just remembered that I would be unable to play for a long period of time - I had to leave for school, so I was away for about seven hours. In either case, my argument is the same. I just have a bad memory. | ||
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Although it pretty much means that he's a townie. | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:07 Ace wrote: If any Mafia member false claims they'd be caught red handed fast because this plan does not use 1 person as the word of trust - it uses several with a self checking scheme. Good point, the only way for the mafia to get around it is to have some mafia roleplay bodyguards and others roleplay detectives. EDIT: Going to be gone for about an hour. | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:10 Ghar wrote: What Ace meant was the real bodyguards would see it strange that they got a PM from Chuiu telling them they're bodyguard, but not from the mayor who might have left them out when PMing the bodyguards about each other. Ace's plan = Bodyguard gets 2 PMs, 1 from Chuiu, and 1 from the Mayor telling him who the other bodyguards are. The number has to add up, anybody guard that didn't get a PM from the mayor, stands up and speaks out. Read the above post. Every single bodyguard does get a PM from the mayor. And I'm really going to be gone. | ||
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On March 19 2008 10:16 qrs wrote: Much as I hate to admit it, I believe my plan is flawed. As per Kau's post, a Mafia can identify himself as a bodyguard, and all the bodyguards will believe he is telling the truth. The Bodyguard plan is not failsafe after all. Unless someone comes up with something new, we will have to waste some detective power as Ghar has been saying. Hell, if I don't get to be the mayor/pardoner, I'll be the sacrifice. At least it'll benefit the town since I'll die if I don't the the positions anyway. | ||
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On March 19 2008 11:26 BlindAlbino wrote: Well hopefully we can get a good mayor/pardoner this time around. Tracil was completely useless last game, and the whole lynching FS thing was a joke. If we are gonna elect someone, has to be someone that people actually like so we dont get another bandwagon lynch. I vote Ace for Mayor. Because this is the right thread in which to vote! | ||
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On March 19 2008 12:07 JeeJee wrote: people who vote for empyrean crack me up. if he's legit, the best he can do for us is verify the mayor then get shot by mafia, because there's no reason to vote for him at all, since saboteur will juts be laughin at us (realize that he had nobody to roleblock until empyrean went "im dt lulz!") if we elect him I PM'd Ace something. Don't worry. | ||
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On March 19 2008 12:16 Ace wrote: I got your PM, I'll respond later when I'm back from going out. I PM'd you an additional idea as well. I have numerous others. I'm going to sleep now, and I'll respond in about seven hours. I'm basically trying to prove that I'm not a completely tardass. | ||
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On March 19 2008 18:04 ahrara_ wrote: [b]However, there's the added bonus that randombum is less likely to be a mafia ploy because he announced his campaign before the game started, whereas Empyrean's role claiming makes him suspect. Actually, I announced my campaign before the game started as well. I stated that I would be running for mayor no matter what. | ||
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On March 20 2008 04:34 Wysp wrote: Figuring out for sure if Empyrean is mafia is fairly important. If he is it will be easy to figure out atleast where to look for a few more members. Easy to solve. Get a (or some) detectives to investigate me, and report their findings directly to Ace. | ||
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On March 20 2008 04:55 BlindAlbino wrote: ace that seems very flawed. How will you know the other detectives besides empyrean is telling the truth? they would have to reveal themselves for this to happen. First they investigate Ace, and one detective will probably publicly announce Ace's innocence. Then they'll just PM Ace. Or they can immediately PM Ace and assume he's town, while other detectives confirm his role. If he's town, they'll be silent. If he's mafia, they'll sound the alarms. And finally, if I do die this night, I'd like to just post one thing after my death. | ||
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After L2W failed in his protection of alventenie, I started the whole "he revealed his role, but he's not actually paramedic!" bandwagon that got him lynched. So at the moment, shut up and watch the game unfold. | ||
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On March 20 2008 07:06 Live2Win wrote: ORLY?! *evil smirk* + Show Spoiler + (btw I'm not playing so plz don't take this post seriously) Yeah sorry L2W  I still heart you :D And when'll we know the target of the mayor's lynch? >:O | ||
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Well it looks like I'm obviously not going to get an elected position. I'm not a detective. I'm plain townie. You can get a detective or someone to check it out :/ Now. The only reason I posted that I was detective was to try and get the mayoral/pardoner spot, since the only way I will ever be sure (remember, I can't actually check people's roles) that we have a townie-aligned mayor/pardoner is if I were to be in office. So yes, I suppose it was a selfish move, but you'll have to believe me when I say that it was the best thing I could personally have done for the town, since I am a definite townie. I couldn't wait for the off-chance that someone else take the mayoral position and end up being a mafioso. So you'll understand why I tried to force the town's hand. And since I've revealed my true role, it's up to the mafia to decide if they want to waste their Suicide Bomber(s?) on a plain townie who's not likely to receive paramedic protection. Furthermore, it solves the problem of the saboteur issue. Why sabotage someone's "abilities" when they actually have none? All town detectives are at the moment unknown, and Ace's plan should proceed without impediment. | ||
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Detectives should investigate Ace's role. If he is townie, then they will silently PM their findings to him. If Ace is mafia, then they will blow Ace's cover. After the detective's death (with a likely suicide bomber use?), we'll know for sure, then we can lynch a potential-mafia Ace later. But I'm hoping Ace is townie. Also, when detectives check anyone else's role, if they could report it to Ace so that they don't reveal their cover. Ace will publicly state the detectives' findings. | ||
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On March 20 2008 10:56 BlindAlbino wrote: how can we even be sure your a townie at this point. this is ridiculous. making the game harder for us then it needs to be With the detectives. Once they find out I'm plain townie, they'll report it to Ace who will make that information known. | ||
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On March 20 2008 11:02 GeneralStan wrote: You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp. Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself. Heh. Think about it for a second - why would I make such a move to announce that I am detective so early on in the game? My only reason for doing so was to ensure a townie mayor. I've also confused some mafia, hopefully. If they still think I'm detective, they run the risk of wasting both their sabotage or their suicide bomber. If they think I'm vanilla townie, then, well, nothing special happens. All our detectives'll still be secret and safe. Anyway, if you guys really want to see my role, you should just wait for Ace to announce the detectives' results. | ||
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The only real point of vanilla townies is to vote to lynch mafias and try and protect the real town special roles so they can win the game. Basically, my abandonment of my initial plan (to stir up mafia confusion - should we use a suicide bomber/saboteur?) was because you guys are trying to start the whole lynching bandwagon. [b]Just wait for Ace to confirm (via detective) that I'm vanilla town. | ||
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On March 20 2008 11:10 Showtime! wrote: Emp, you didn't think I knew that already? Of course. You just wanted the POWA. | ||
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On March 20 2008 12:07 Mynock wrote: Fake-claiming roles for mafia does not seem like a good strategy here. "But Empyrean's a mafia member! Let's lynch him!!" ... ...I'm very interested to see Ace's plans. He assured me he pretty much had lots of tricks up his sleeves. And by tricks I mean plans to lolown the mafia through logic and conservative play! EDIT: I'm satisfied with the results of the mayoral election. All I've managed to do is buy some time for more useful town members (if Mafia decides to lynch me, of course). | ||
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On March 21 2008 03:57 Showtime! wrote: Empyrean was just aiming for power. Nothing wrong with that when you're stuck in a townie role. Thanks for noticing :/ On March 21 2008 06:18 French_Toast wrote: Wow, Ace's plan is so stupid and cheap. I liked the bodyguard plan but this is a sign of desperation. Yeah, guys let's make this game even more cheap! Lets have everyone pm their roles so we know who's lying! Seriously, if you want to keep this game fun, avoid cheap exploits like that. Honestly, no townie would care if a plan was "cheap". It's like you being MM rushed in a PvT, having Reaver tech, but deciding against it because Reavers are "cheap". Additionally, the Mr. Pink clue and the fact that heros)pink doesn't like the plan because it's too "cheap" as well gives some suspicion to him. Do you really think i would be that stupid to go against the town if I was a mafia with a mafioso in the clues called Mr.Pink? Yes. That's actually not too far from what we did last game. It's too obvious the clue points at him. Why would he incite more town anger? IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE!! I think the best course of action for next night is to have a detective PM Chuiu, asking if the Mr. Pink clue points at Heros)Pink. Hopefully, since no DTs have spoken up against Ace, we know that Ace is mayor. All of them should have PM'd Ace by now, so Ace knows all the DTs. He should assign each detective a certain "investigation" to ask Chuiu. | ||
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On March 23 2008 00:30 Caller wrote: The phone portion is so obvious and plainfaced that it seems to unreasonable to be a clue. Especially when it's mentioned like five times. And he doesn't eat lead, he eats "buckshot." again, my quote is from monty python, and i am somewhat active, thank you very much. i have things to do ya know ^_^ Yeah, I thought buckshot was what was placed into shotguns? Like small pieces of lead? Kind of like your quote, in which small rocks and lead are referenced :/ | ||
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"Lead shot is a collective term for small balls of lead. It is used primarily as projectiles in shotguns, but is also used for a variety of other purposes. It was traditionally made using a shot tower." | ||
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Caller's signature of "Bread, apples, very small rocks, cider, horses, sherry, mud, churches, lead"? | ||
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I vote we lynch Ghar today, then have Ace coordinate the detectives - the detectives will each investigate to see if a clue matches up with a likely mafioso, so by tomorrow, we'll already have a list of people to lynch. | ||
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On March 23 2008 21:39 Bockit wrote: Further reading brings me this: Casts doubt on the "each mafia is directly related" deal.. Chuiu (or anyone), can you clear this up? Does each mafia need to vote for townies to kill? Heh. In the first game, I feigned ignorance about how the mafia operated. If you're mafia, don't think that this trick'll save you :O | ||
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Unless they PM Ace their roles. | ||
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... Yeah I voted for Mandalor. | ||
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On March 24 2008 10:17 Energies wrote: I'm curious to know, if Mafia vote in the vote thread, are their votes counted, or how does that aspect work? Of course their votes are counted. Remember last game when other mafia members tried unsuccessfully to lynch Tracil? (Yeah, I wasn't part of that :D) | ||
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Because, yes, Chuiu has clues to point to each and every member of the mafia in each post </sarcasm>. | ||
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On March 24 2008 11:30 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: The streetfight could also be connected to Hittegods signature, "This street violence, pure self defiance." Hmm, seems like a weak link at best, but it does look plausible. On March 24 2008 11:36 Ace wrote: no, I'm still not sure about Empyrean, but I've got an idea for him too but only time will tell. !! | ||
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I don't doubt Ace that much anymore, but let's keep in mind he could :still: "potentially" be a mafia member who lynched an inactive mafia to gain our trust. The chances of that are pretty slim, though. | ||
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Before I start, keep in mind that even if someone is mafia, a clue that seems to point at them may point at someone else (like last game, the bowing clue - people thought it pointed to me but it didn't. Any detective investigating that would have found that the clue didn't relate to me. People would probably have some sort of cognitive bias and think that I wasn't mafia). Have each of the top suspects target someone else random completely. It's similar to Ace's plan, but each of the four detectives can ask "how many mafia voted for ____"? and after they find that out, we'll surely know if they're townie or not. Easy way for detectives to use role-check after they've exhausted the initial two. | ||
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Basically he disabled himself - instead of disabling someone useful, he disabled a green XD What a loser. If I'm mafia again next game, I'll be sure not to suck as much as current mafia does! | ||
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Of course, once they won't, they'll know that they wasted a sabotage :/ I suppose they didn't have any other targets though, although I would personally have disabled randombum. | ||
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On March 26 2008 12:00 BlindAlbino wrote: can mafia stop kill people -_- very annoying What the fuck is this. | ||
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On March 26 2008 12:01 BlindAlbino wrote: I dont want die Empyraen from china Let's just lynch this guy. He's about as useful as his posts. | ||
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On March 26 2008 12:07 Ace wrote: qrs - thinking way too much about the wrong things,however is willing to follow the BodyGuard Plan and has seen how it works out. He questions almost everything I do, which is good but it seems to come from posts other people make. Hopefully it's just enthusiam and not a sheepish mentality over proving my status. Heros)Pink - saying not to put Ghar in position because clues point to him even though they really dont, is vying for Empyrean against me and Ghar. THis dude is very odd, as even when logic stares him in the face he refuses to look. Wait, what are you saying about me? | ||
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On March 27 2008 11:47 Chezinu wrote: "my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink" that totally eliminates HeRoS)Pink from being Mr.Pink LOL. And on a side note, all those blues make it look like maybe someone is telling the mafia who to target? Maybe randombum or even Ace. Has anyone checked them out? The chances are slim that they're mafia, but hey, the chance is still there. | ||
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Anyway, araav has already explained himself. So I don't think there's any further need to press the issue. | ||
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On March 29 2008 03:03 araav wrote: as many are sure i am a townie, i would like this be performed against randombum and Ace - both and only you both vote on the same list - the one that will be checked! I agree. | ||
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On March 29 2008 05:38 Lenwe wrote: That would be an absolute waste. If Ace is indeed mafia a DT would have spoken up ages ago and since none of them did, we can safely assume he is in fact a townie. On the 0,00001% chance that noone of the DT's checked him: Then we are screwed anyway, since the mafia have a list of pretty much every blue in the game and it is game over. So why would we waste a valuable DT question on something that we already know. Why are people still so worried about this Ace being mafia thing, while the chance of him being so is nearly 0% (once again, if he is our DT's screwed up and this is pretty much gg). Why not use that question to gain more information and proceed with Ace's plan, which so far has made perfect sense and has led us to our first mafia kill. Start worrying about other people's behaviour and start linking clue's to them. Post those results here in public or pm them to Ace telling him to post it in public if you are afraid for your own life. Well, we'd also know whether or not araav were mafia or town. Apparently, according to Showtime (what's his deal, anyway), araav's figured out some way to break into some "secret IRC channel" or something. | ||
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And wtf, one DT didn't use his powers? What a nublet. | ||
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"As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended" "Before the man could finish him off he looked up at him and said "you will have to answer for this to god"" Both of them were "obvious". | ||
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On March 31 2008 10:31 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: we screw up once and the mayor leaves? rofl? We? Because voting for the candidates Ace wanted us to netted us a green and a blue death? | ||
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Let's just lynch more inactives. | ||
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On April 01 2008 04:11 BlindAlbino wrote: I thought mayor supposed be smart All you've done in this game is made asinine comments that have no bearing at all on the game. Anyway, I'd just like to say that I have some reservations about randombum. Obviously, the clues about the bum can relate to either him or bumatlarge, but randombum has been really silent all game. Also, we've had a large proportion of blue deaths - how can that be explained except the clues reporting into randombum who is a mafia? I'm going to be really pissed if I didn't get Pardoner because people joined the HEY GUYS LET'S VOTE FOR RANDOMBUM BECAUSE WE DON'T WANT EMPYREAN THERE! bandwagon. The same thing could be said about Ace, although there aren't many clues that relate to him. But still, after he gained our trust the first night, he decided to lead us to lynch some townies. It's entirely possible that he only got us to kill one blue so as not to arouse too much suspicion on us. Just possibilities, though. Very good chance that neither of them are mafia (although if you'd have to ask, I'd suspect Ace more than randombum). | ||
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April fools. No, this wasn't a cleverly disguised bump. No wait, it was. | ||
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It's very possible that the detective deaths were a result of mostly chance. The mafia had to have known that I was a detective, or at least being protected, since they probably tried to kill me on previous nights. That being said, I wonder if I'm allowed to post my number one suspect? I doubt it, though, so I won't. | ||
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Ace and Plexa did an amazing job. So did Bill, actually. So many dedicated townies committed to the game made up for those that really didn't do much. For next game, though, Chuiu, would it be possible to have a smaller, more quick paced game? I know you said something about giving more special roles to keep people interested. When do sign-ups happen? I'm eager to get into Mafia 3 :D Hooray town victory. | ||
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Too bad I died. | ||
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On August 06 2008 10:27 Mynock wrote: Anyone dare to press "All" in the page selection? I just did. It's hilarious because the entirety of the thread is marked with "Old Post" except for a bit at the bottom. DON'T BUMP OLD THREADS GUYS!!! XD | ||
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