EPTIOW, let's just save some time and agree that no PM = claim to be a towny.
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IOW, let's just save some time and agree that no PM = claim to be a towny. | ||
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On March 21 2008 03:41 SoleSteeler wrote: In the last game, were the people who were mafia posting frequently? some were, some weren't | ||
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On March 21 2008 03:49 Ace wrote: It makes plenty of sense. A PM that says "Hi I'm townie", if everyone has to send it, tells you nothing more than no PM would. The starting assumption for everyone is that they are townie.this idea makes no sense. No PM also means Mafia members just never have to worry about contacting me, and then they also know that not every townie has PM'd me so it's easier for them to just lay low and not get caught lying. If everyone has to PM me, eventually I'll catch some role clashes and some lies. Here, instead of a PM, I'll just tell you in the thread. I am a vanilla townie. (honestly, did that really tell you anything?) | ||
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On March 21 2008 04:25 Fishball wrote: I call mafia Townies can't be that dumb, right?! It's not that dumb. Assuming that all blues (+ fake-blues) send in their roles as they are supposed to, it makes absolutely no difference whether the rest of us officially declare townie or not. No one's going to declare Mafia, and anyone who was going to declare roleplayer should have done that. But on second thought, I concede that if we are afraid that some blues will stay low for whatever reason (although they shouldn't) and we are afraid of lynching them by mistake then the "I am townie" statement does do something: it tells the mayor "I am not an inactive blue". | ||
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On March 21 2008 06:18 Kau wrote: It does make a difference if townies have to pm because it forces the mafia to pm too, because ideally, every townie and every blue would have pm'ed Ace, so the only ones who have not pm'ed would be mafia. If we had it so that no townie had to pm, then mafia can just do nothing. And this way, Mafia have to PM that they are townies. And that's exactly the same as doing nothing in the original scenario. They don't have to reveal anything about themselves, they don't have to contradict themselves, all they have to do is say something that is implicit from the very fact that they are playing the game. This is not an "exploit". The one slight reason I can see for having green townies PM is to eliminate the possibility that they are inactive blues. If everyone is playing well, this shouldn't be necessary (because all blues should respond) but, OK, it's possible that not all blues are paying attention, so it doesn't hurt to PM Ace--more information is not bad. In any case, I've already said in the thread that I'm a vanilla townie. (If I'm actually mafia, the Mafia knows it and if I'm actually a roleplayer, Ace knows it.) PS-French Toast has just jumped to the top of my suspicion list. | ||
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On March 23 2008 21:45 BWdero wrote: I dont know, I assumed that mafia just sent in a list. You cant have mafia individually hit someone since there are 20 mafia and only 9 kills. Sure you can, although the Mafia would still need to coordinate. If 2 Mafia hit someone he dies; if only one hits him, he lives. (The cap of 9 could be first come first served.) I think it was Fen who suggested a system like that after last game, but I don't recall Chuiu saying that he had decided to go with it. | ||
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I'm still undecided about who to vote for. There's also the fact that I may not log in again before the vote is closed (traveling). I am voting Ghar for now; if Ace makes a good case for lynching someone else (or even says that he is 95% certain of someone else) and I have time to switch, I will switch my vote. Ace: the earlier you can tell us who to vote for, the better. | ||
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On March 24 2008 06:21 Ace wrote: well then how about this. Everyone vote for Mandalor to be lynched. How sure are you of him? | ||
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Besides, personally, I'd prefer to see the game move along instead of dragging out. | ||
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On March 25 2008 00:10 Ace wrote: First Update Out of the 58 people that voted to lynch Mandalor, 10 are Mafia More or less the same as the proportion of mafiosi in the town as a whole. | ||
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On March 25 2008 01:20 Ace wrote: Also, I find it very strange that one of the Mayoral candidates, araav has been inactive so much. I don't find that strange. He didn't get elected: it makes sense that he would lose some interest. (happened in the first game too.) He's still been posting occasionally, and continuing to contribute by updating his list of profile info. Frankly, there's not that always that much to say. | ||
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On March 25 2008 01:33 ZBiR wrote: Yes: his own words after the final vote-count (but before Ace accused him):Notice that he edited that original vote so he was voting differently on 23.03.08, unless you've seen his original post it's not a proof (still, it's quite suspicious) On March 24 2008 13:51 smurfingchobo wrote: I edited my post a few hours ago, Chuiu. Post is here: http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=68352¤tpage=4#69 For future reference; Am I supposed to edit my previous post or make a new post stating that I want to change my vote? Thanks. | ||
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On March 25 2008 01:33 Ace wrote: I didn't share your initial impressions (I voted for him, actually): I thought that he presented a reasonable platform (although not as extensive as yours), and I thought and still think that his argument that he was contributing to the town was not a ridiculous pretense. It doesn't prove he is a townie, but it goes some way towards that. The mafia would have to think long and hard before letting a member go ahead with posting something that could help link clues to people, just on the chance that it might help him get elected.It's suspicious to me because from the gate he was against me getting Mayor. Go look back at his past posts and check them out. I have a notepad file of initial impressions of everyone in the game, here is the entry for araav: araav - ran for mayor on ridiculous pretenses You're entitled to your suspicions, of course. | ||
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On March 25 2008 01:45 Ace wrote: Honestly, what was araav offering that made any kind of sense? being able to write a script doesn't help you win Mafia games. In these games, clues can help find mafiosi and having a master list of profiles and relevant info seems like it should be very helpful in matching the clues with people. Put it this way: maybe I'm overrating it, but if I was Mafia, I would prefer not to have a master list like that out there. If araav hadn't done it? Maybe someone else would have. Maybe not. | ||
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On March 25 2008 02:10 Ace wrote: Thats the thing, several people have already done it. It would have been done so how does that skill help to catch Mafia? Who else has already done it? I don't even know what you mean by that: if araav was the first to produce the list, anyone who came after only had to copy his list. On a different subject: TO ALL VIGILANTES AND/OR ACE: re vigilante strategy, I'd like to suggest that we not use up vigilante kills until we have more suspects than we can deal with through lynches. For instance, at the moment, Ghar seems like a very strong suspect, but after him, the evidence on everyone else who has been brought up is a lot weaker. It might seem attractive for a vigilante to get a sure kill by killing Ghar tonight, but if the day comes, and we haven't yet figured out a sure lynch (or two) and waste the lynch on a townie, the vig kill will essentially have been wasted. As the game goes on and we/Ace figure more things out, we will probably have more suspects (as in the first game) than we can handle at one time, and then the vig kills will come in handy. When there's a line for the first cash register, that's when it's time to open the second. | ||
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On March 25 2008 04:03 Ace wrote: Comment/concern: Sounds like a plan, but it should not come at the expense of lynching a mafioso tomorrow. Right now, as far as I'm concerned, Ghar is the prime suspect, at least until a detective tells us that the severed head did not point to him. If Ghar is suspect #1 or suspect #2, or if there is a stronger case pointing to them than to Ghar, I'll go along with the vote.Update This is the plan for the next Day (the person who came up with this idea will remain anonymous, i just improved on it a bit). In addition to that plan, we'll also be splitting the Mandalor Vote. The top 29(excluding me) will vote on Suspect#1 and the bottom 29 will vote on Suspect#2. These suspects will be revealed after tonight. Just like above, anyone who doesn't follow the plan we have no choice but to cast suspicion on them. Double count the #s because my counting may be off. Here's the list: Suspect#1 -29 Showtime! ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L Empyrean Eti307 suresh0t randombum Lysithea French_Toast New104 Kau Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib JeeJee Hittegods SoleSteeler Suspect#2 -29 Romance_us Plexa LucasWoJ Caller Fishball RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Lenwe Alethios NatsuTerran 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Pangolin SpiritoftheTuna Unforgiven_ve Energies BloodyC0bbler iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito bumatlarge fanatacist ieatkids5 ~OpZ~ SonuvBob Siefu butidigress Any questions, comments or concerns let them be known. Once again, if you go against this plan we have no choice but to cast suspicions on you. | ||
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